Mini Normal 1920 (Game Over)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #2400 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:22 am

Yay I review a normal game and town wins

Alisae · Post Post #2401 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:23 am

And the conversation I had with Danny was just me being desperate to attempt to give him something that he liked.
Like
if you thought about it.
I was backed into a corner and essnetially I had no other options.

Alisae · Post Post #2402 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:24 am

Oh yeah btw
the scum PT

Is

Heavy

Don't go into that unless you're prepared to handle some emotionally heavy stuff.

ISO · Post Post #2403 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:25 am

Role PMs

:

MordyS/GreyICE, Loyal CopWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

MordyS

/GreyICE.
You are a

Town Loyal Cop

.
During the night, target a player. You will receive results in the form of "Playername is Town", "Playername is Not Town", or "No result".
Your night action will only succeed if targeting your own faction (town). Should you target someone not of your faction, your night action will fail.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

EeveeLution Army, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

EeveeLution Army

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

LmkGuy/Fro99er/Alisae, Mafia RoleblockerWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Lmkguy

Fro99er

Alisae

.
You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.
Your partners are

MMM

Chickadee

and

massive

, both

Goons

.
You may talk in this private topic at any time.

During the night, you may target a player. Any night action they will perform will fail.

Should you choose to, during the night, you may select a player to kill. You must specify who is performing the kill.

You win when you control 50% of the living and nothing can prevent this.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

aronagrundy, Weak DoctorWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

aronagrundy

.
You are a

Town Weak Doctor

.
During the night, target a player. Should your target be targeted for a nightkill, you will prevent their death.
If you successfully target a non-town-aligned player with your night action, you will die.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

gerryoat, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

gerryoat

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

Gamma Emerald/Bomberman/ReplacedIn, Ascetic TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Gamma Emerald

Bomberman

ReplacedIn

.
You are an

Ascetic Townie

.
Any non-killing actions targeting you will fail.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

iDanyboy, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

iDanyboy

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

Mulch, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Mulch

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

Formerfish, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Formerfish

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

Lil Uzi Vert, Macho NeapolitanWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Lil Uzi Vert

.
You are a

Town Macho Neapolitan

.
During the night, target a player. You will receive results in the form of "Playername is a Vanilla Townie", "Playername is Not a Vanilla Townie", or "No Result".
You cannot be protected by any protection role; should you be targeted for a nightkill, you will die.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

Tchill13, Vanilla TownieWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

Tchill13

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.

You win when all threats to the

town

are eliminated, and at least one member of your faction is alive.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

MMM/Chickadee, Mafia GoonWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

MMM

Chickadee

.
You are a

Mafia Goon

.
Your partners are

LmkGuy

Fro99er

Alisae

(

Roleblocker

), and

massive

(

Goon

).
You may talk in this private topic at any time.

During the night, you may select a player to kill. You must specify who is performing the kill.

You win when you control 50% of the living and nothing can prevent this.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

massive, Mafia GoonWelcome to Mini Normal 1920,

massive

.
You are a

Mafia Goon

.
Your partners are

LmkGuy

Fro99er

Alisae

(

Roleblocker

), and

MMM

Chickadee

(

Goon

).
You may talk in this private topic at any time.

During the night, you may select a player to kill. You must specify who is performing the kill.

You win when you control 50% of the living and nothing can prevent this.

The game thread is here.
Please confirm your role via PM.

Good luck and have fun!

iDanyboy · Post Post #2404 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:26 am

In post 2397, EeveeLution Army wrote:Tbh alisae i was gonna vote replacein but you threw in yhe towel before i did.

wow

EeveeLution Army · Post Post #2405 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:27 am

I don't really know i think it was that he was not 100% confident in you? Or more he still thought it was me while pushing you it was an in the moment thought.

EeveeLution Army · Post Post #2406 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:28 am

But yay i'm 2 for 2 on mafiascum.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2407 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:29 am

In post 2399, Alisae wrote:Let me ask tho
what did you like about me when it comes to the 1v1
because Regfan had a way stronger push on me that even I agreed with 99% of the time.

The 1v1 felt like it came out of nowhere which is why I turned onto you, If you just pushed Eeve I would of gone with you.

Alisae · Post Post #2408 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:29 am

That's because he was still open to change his mind and re-evaluate
he was pushing me based on concerns he had
I was pushing him like he said, like I was treating a debate.
Which was just
wow
Because I never thought about the game that way.

Alisae · Post Post #2409 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:31 am

But yeah
the way I was going to win this game was lynch one of {Regfan, Eevee} shoot the other and basicly say "There is no way in hell I put myself in this corner, Arona has to be scum."

ISO · Post Post #2410 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:31 am

Game's Night Actions

:

Night One Night Actions

:

GreyICE

loyal cops

Formerfish

. (Result:

Formerfish is Town

No Result;

roleblocked by Fro99er

.)

aronagrundy

weak doctors

Mulch

. (Result: Mulch is protected; aronagrundy survives.)

Lil Uzi Vert

Neapolitans

Chickadee

. (Result: Chickadee is Not Vanilla Townie.)

massive

nightkills

gerryoat

. (Result: gerryoat is set to die.)

Fro99er

roleblocks

GreyICE

. (Result: GreyICE's night action fails.)

gerryoat dies.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Night Two Night Actions

:

aronagrundy

weak doctors

GreyICE

. (Result: GreyICE is protected; aronagrundy survives.)

GreyICE

loyal cops

iDanyboy

. (Result: iDanyboy is Town.)

Lil Uzi Vert

neapolitans

Formerfish

. (Result: Formerfish is a Vanilla Townie.)

massive

nightkills

Lil Uzi Vert

.
(Intentionally no roleblock.)

Lil Uzi Vert dies.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Night Three Night Actions

:

GreyICE

loyal cops

EeveeLution Army

. (Result: EeveeLution Army is Town.)

aronagrundy

weak doctors

GreyICE

. (

Fails, roleblocked by Fro99er

.)

massive

nightkills

GreyICE

.

Fro99er

roleblocks

aronagrundy

.

GreyICE dies.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Night Four Night Actions

:

aronagrundy

weak doctors

iDanyboy

. (

Fails; roleblocked by Alisae.

)

Alisae

roleblocks

aronagrundy

.

Alisae

nightkills

Mulch

.

Mulch dies.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Alisae · Post Post #2411 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:32 am

That involves me surviving today and just coming from a perspective of recongizing strong pushes
Regfan's push on me was strong.
He just nailed everything.

ISO · Post Post #2412 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:35 am

Private Topics

:

Mod PT.
Mafia PT.
Dead Thread.
Spoilered Dead PT.

Review thread. (To be released when Nexus gets around to it.)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #2413 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:35 am

FWIW from review thread...

In post 19, mhsmith0 wrote:"tomorrow morning" has arrived

Town:
Loyal Cop
Ascetic Townie
Weak Doctor
Macho Neapolitan
VT x6

vs.

Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon x2

So baiscally I certainly see the concern that town can acumulate a shit-ton of clears (and I think that justifies making the roleblocker full instead of odd night). HOWEVER, you also have two important "fucking with results" potential from the roleblocker
1) Loyal cop gets roleblocked, presumes he got a guilty (regardless of actual result)
2) Weak Doctor gets roleblocked, presumes he got an innocent (regardless of actual result)

There's also a legitimate change of the weak doctor not only failing to protect anyone, but also hitting scum early resulting in a double kill and one less mislynch for town, which is a pretty big potential detriment (weak doc is net positive, but there are serious risks). So basically... I think I'm fine with this setup, provided that roleblocker is full and not gated. I think town has too much to give scum less than a full roleblocker.

And yes, i say that knowing full well that two outcomes are VERY possible
1) roleblocker dies early, town steamrolls off of all its hard clears
2) weak doc hits scum without crumbing, or hits scum but is roleblocked, and scum get a MASSIVELY easier road to victory

So yeah, it's swingy as fuck, but I'd accept it as balanced for mini normal meta.

In post 20, mhsmith0 wrote:I'd also say that loyal is a substnatial nerf to cop's functionality, since he needs to be targeting for town instead of scum, as hitting scum gives a non-reliable "result". Normal cop would be pretty OP for town here.

In post 21, mhsmith0 wrote:I mean, tbh I don't really love a setup that's heavy on in investigative power from a "setups that smith likes" type of thing, but I think it's pretty reasonably within mini normal norms. Probably a touch more townsided than what I tend to pass, but not unreasonably so, especially since a lot of it is swing anyway.

I'll also accept balance complaints if any towards me; myko was uneasy about this setup giving town too much potential, I was willing to consider it given swing (roleblocker vs cop/doc interactions can reasonably create a surprise miller and/or a surprise godfather, and in fact that first one did actually happen).

Alisae · Post Post #2414 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:37 am

In post 110, mastina wrote:Alisae could use a hug but as a game mod I can't give it in the mafia PT so I'll just leave it here to pick up postgame.
<3

Yo thanks for the hugs
<3
/me hugs

EeveeLution Army · Post Post #2415 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:39 am

Pushing me would have been easier alisae, replacedin already had a scumread on me. Nice setup on the arona thing though, but it was wifom.

Lil Uzi Vert · Post Post #2416 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:39 am

Good game!

Always sheep the Uzi D1!

Alisae · Post Post #2417 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:39 am

Yeah
I only realized that just a bit too late.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #2418 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:40 am

Setup-wise, I'd say the biggest danger by far for town was the weak doctor. Would be SUPER easy to accidentally suicide n1 or n2, OR be roleblocked while targeting scum, either of which drastically harms town's chances. Barring that, it was really a matter of how many town clears could be generated and/or how destructive a false guilty could be. Without scum generating a false innocent or a false guilty through roleblocker use, their path to victory was probably really really narrow (like, basically being required to kill the cop on n1 for starters)

Alisae · Post Post #2419 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:41 am

and the setup is like
100% pure scumposting
It was much like my approach to GL and LQ in a flipless micro where I was scum in, where essentially upon replcaing in, I was told that these players were town and I decided to scumread them.

Regfan · Post Post #2420 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:42 am

Not a fan of this setup at all, it's plausible for town to have enough clears from N1 actions to have autowin D2 unless mafia can convince them there's a fake PR which isn't an easy task without them having to fake claim themselves. Had GI not been roleblocked this game becomes pretty much autowin which is...kind of silly easy to win that way. Sure you can make the argument of "Scum shot a VT" or "Town used their actions well" but for me that's still not enough to warrant this and I do understand that my role was to decrease the odds of it playing out well for town and that's at least something that I do like in the setup but that'd be about it. I wouldn't have passed this, I don't like that this was passed, I don't like the direction that setups are getting passed in but this is probably more of a discussion that either need not occur or should be dealt with elsewhere so I'll probably just end it there for now.

Outside of the actual setup I thought the game was run very smoothly, lots of vote counts, filling replacement slots very quickly, handling night actions / empty slots overnight in a reasonable manner, ;goodmodding; things from both Mastina and Nancy in that regard.

I think scum suffered from not really having any of their players in the game taken any sort of real control at any point and having far too many conftowns to deal with, meant their avenue of victory was very small and didn't really give them much wiggle room. If one of them took control D2 and locked the lynch in on FF at that point the game probably becomes more interesting if they try and go for the GreyICE mslynch after that but I don't think they get it so I'm not really sure what I'd have done in their shoes here. I think /most/ town players were right about at least something this game if not multiple things which never makes for an easy game as mafia.

Enjoyed playing with a lot of players inside this game, would love to play with a few again at some point including a few people I don't think I've played with before like iDannyboy and Gerryoat. See some serious potential in other players too.

GreyICE, your reads D1 were pretty fucking solid; you had both Chickadee and LMK nailed and had Massive in your PoE. In fact your reads throughout the whole game were fine and I can't even fault you for the FF push and vote given it's mechanically the right move to make since the odds of him being mafia non-scumhunting wise were significantly higher than anyone else. That said I really would have loved it if you worked with me a little in at least considering and/or discussing teams and players that didn't involve FF being mafia and I'm still pretty clueless how you had MMM/Massive unaligned but was pretty happy playing you again, knowing you were town confidently early on this game helped steady me a lot.

Not particularly proud of my D1 play here, the Tchill/MMM misreads were obviously pretty damn wrong, don't think I'd have been able to turn around the scum-read on Tchill but I should have been able to get out of the MMM misread earlier, most of my other reads D1 were pretty decent though and started to correct course on D2 where scum never touched my town reads, think from there I took as much control as I could and only really cased mafia. Willing to take advice/suggestions from players on what I can improve on as always.

Will probably go into my thoughts on other players at some point tonight.

Lil Uzi Vert · Post Post #2421 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:47 am

In post 2402, Alisae wrote:Oh yeah btw
the scum PT

Is

Heavy

Don't go into that unless you're prepared to handle some emotionally heavy stuff.

I was not

Damn.

ISO · Post Post #2422 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:54 am

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:and yes
I got rolled

I was a little disappointed you gave up--EeveeLution seemed sympathetic to you, and the deciding vote was a slot being replaced. The replacement may have easily sided with you against ReplacedIn, and then replacement + you + maybe-Eevee would have allowed you to get the lynch through you needed to win, and then left you with a picture-perfect lylo of EeveeLution Army (easily mislynchable), the replacement (doable albeit hard), and you: zero conftown, and zero harm to come.

Of course.
This all largely depends on who the replacement was.
Someone comes in who reacts like you did to ReplacedIn, you basically win.

Someone comes in who is similar in style to ReplacedIn, you're fucked.

But the thing is, you gave up before you actually saw that, and that's the disappointing thing to me. You had a chance at winning which you forfeited.

ISO · Post Post #2423 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:55 am

(BTW I believe all mod documentation is now completed; let me know if I missed anything but I think everything should be in postgame condition.)

Alisae · Post Post #2424 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:59 am

If I was stronger and I just knew that
and I considered things
and I knew I had a chance
I might have continued fighting.
But i just don't think I'm that strong enough as a person.

I just sprialled down into negativity emotionally and gameplay wise.