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VOTE: tictac

For not putting toe at the end of his name.

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This loss is 100% your fault. And I'm 99% sure we lost

Town hasn't lost the 1% chance just caught up with the thread.

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Aww... Mulch and game replacement shouldn't fight. Fairly certain two in a million is scum

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VOTE: twoinamillion

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Formerfish it's best to ignore the stuff that seems a little silly from game replacement and mulch. You'll just get lost in the details.

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Who's the team again game replacement? Tic tac, twoinamillion and?

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Hey Lil uzi thoughts on the game replacement and mulch pissing contest? I think of the two game replacement would be scum if scum is there.

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Tic Tac fornerfish and monkey

Want to each make a team and the person who gets more scum at the end wins?

Tic tac, twoinamillion and monkey as scum. Lock it up.

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I said IF there's scum there. Refer back to my scum team guess we're betting on at the end of the game. Neither if yall are in it.

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Lil uzi said tvt that's all I wanted.

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Are we still in RVS?

I think at least 1 scum has been active so far. No town would ever wish their fellow town 16 pages of shit-content to sift through.

Probably Mulch. VOTE: Mulch

I'd have to go with monkey. These "are we in RVS" questions stick out like a sore thumb.

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VOTE: monkey

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UNVOTE:

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Not gonna lie it is getting a little chilly in here.

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VOTE: monkey

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Mulch you want me to just sheep you?

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Alright mulch you got 2 votes.

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Go monkey go. I agree that the 1v1 was full of nai stuff.

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Not voting (5): Miles Edgeworth, Formerfish, TwoInAMillion, iDanyboy, Lil Uzi Vert

someone in this list is scum

It's twoinamillion right?

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The relationship advice is real lol.

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So formerfish, TwoInAMillion or Lil uzi?

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VOTE: Lil uzi

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To be honest, I dislike Chilly the most this game, but I feel I should be in denial about him.
I need Mulch to sort him as I'm always going to be biased.

Monkey needs to step up. His posting feels forced and awkward. I haven't read that Scum game of His, but it was a newbie game so personally I don't care.

Always biased? Lol. Monkey does look a little better as town. Idanyboy looks like he's town. Formerfish and twoinamillion are solid choices for my vote right now.

VOTE: twoinamillion

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who's the tentative scum in the not voting list

i really think we should just vote anyone who's been active but is in that list

So formerfish, TwoInAMillion or Lil uzi?

Idanyboy that specific list was made from RB's statement.

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I'm completely null on game replacement and mulch. If I had to make a strong town list right now it'd be idanyboy and Lil uzi.

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Mulch why does my strong town reads not suffice?

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Mulch why does my strong town reads not suffice?

1) It's a problem your not calling me and Vedith town (gutsy tho)

2) Explain UZI

Their fake solvy and fencecitty and they seem to be trying to buddy me (slightly)

Well #1 I feel a little better about you being town because you called me out in my uzi read.

#2 really just a town read because he said game replacement versus mulch is tvt but 3 other people had already said that.

I really thought idany seems genuine.

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Thank you, thank you. I know. He's not strong town. Just said it to see what you'd say. You called it out. Makes me feel better about you considering he said it was TvT.

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I'll defend idanyboy though he IS strong town. It was a reaction test. I really have no idea how to sort you or game replacement at the moment.

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I'll defend idanyboy though he IS strong town. It was a reaction test.

I really have no idea how to sort you or game replacement at the moment

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Why?


And why didn't you direct it at me if it was a reaction test?

I can see yall doing what yall have done as either alignment. I didn't direct because half the reaction test is you noticing it right?... I really haven't done much reaction testing before. Am I supposed to set it up as some sort of resume for the reactor? Seems like that would defeat some of the purpose.

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This is my first online game. In real life mafia I am decent as sum but probably better as town. I tend to get bandwagoned more than I should. Probably cause I don't know when to shut up.

@monkey if you read his iso with this in mind he comes off as new town with very precise thoughts. His posts in general felt to me like they were too carefully thought out but I cannot see that coming from new scum. I also like his little persuit of tic tac.

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After reading the iso from a different perspective I'm not gonna risk a mislynch on this. There's not enough reason to at the moment.

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Wagon me to see what a reaction test looks like.

Oh I've seen plenty I just haven't done them.

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Newb town would have just claimed there. I've seen it many a time. New scum gets antsy over a few votes, and threatens to claim without something to back it up.

Haven't really caught up yet but I agree with this 100 percent.

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Well having to actually do something today combined with game of thrones makes for a busy day. I'm here now. No idea what I've missed though. I noticed formerfish was back at it again with the "I have a reason I don't want to tell though" gimmick.

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VOTE: twoinamillion

Still feel like this is the lynch.

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So how many PR's have outed day 1?

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i also dont rly give a shit about day1 beyond not lynching a potentially strong town player because its empirically proven that scum winrates go up when you lynch scum day1 - and some players just shouldnt get near lylo

so i just make sure no good town players get lynched and push for a lynch on whoever is the most obstructionist or useless, which often enough hits scum anyway because thats what scum do

yes people will have a fit about this and construe this as me not caring - it's empirically true though. Day1 is meaningless and the most important thing is that people interact and you dont lynch some good townie

its fucking infuriating when people play day1 like we should have some big logical cases and brainstorm for 2 weeks - which just kills the momentum of the game because theres no ACTUAL good info to use yet. No one has flipped, no night actions have been taken etc. day2 is the best day in the game for town and its not useful to drag out the game on a pointless day and sap energy from a very useful one

this among other reasons make day1 lynch nothing more than damage control. perfect win is nice but implausible, so really just agonizing over shit simply makes the game more unbearable

i realise these points will make people scream internally but pls dont bring ur flat earth theories into the debate. i was surprised to find this out too, but its empirically valid (tested over 354 games)

so can we pls lynch the very likely scum and if not scum functionally pointless and never going near lylo slot that is 2iam

thx

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who feels like this about day 1s.

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How has 2iam not been lynched yet?

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Fine we are neighbors. And the entire time we talked in the thread it felt like I was under observation. Reads he made in game contradicted stuff he was saying in the neighborhood thread we had.

Me and him would make 6 pr claims.

Oh okay I should address this. So I'd be more than happy to be lynched, flip town then lynch formerfish. Trading a townie for a scum is always good. The thing is I don't see the scum motivation in what formerfish is doing because once I flip town he'll be pushed pretty hard and that would probably end up as 2 mislynches. Now I haven't been keeping up, this pace is pretty neck breaking, but if any player pushed my lynch pretty hard other than formerfish... That's where I'd look for scum.

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After the information of a neighborhood was brought up of course.

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Why would we necessarily look there for scum - what makes pushing you more opportunistic than pushing another town lurker?

Because scum has an opportunity for 2 mislynches if they push me first and I flip town. They know I will because they know I'm not scum.

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Guys, I can't catch up right now. It's too late. I'll try tomorrow. Can someone give me a rundown of what's happened?

I've missed the last 25ish pages. Sorry.

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I meant scum motivation. I understand why town would think I'm scum in formerfish's shoes. I don't understand why scum would push for my lynch in formerfish's shoes though. It would eventually lead to their lynch rather quickly.

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Where do you stand Narna on the current game state? Do you believe the 2iam claim?

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I don't scum read formerfish. His push on me makes me feel more likely that he's town. I don't think his lynch is worth pushing whether I flip or not. I'll have to go back and see if anyone did push for my lynch once formerfish revealed the neighborhood though.

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I just isoed you Narna and I'm pretty sure you're town so that's nice.

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i also dont rly give a shit about day1 beyond not lynching a potentially strong town player because its empirically proven that scum winrates go up when you lynch scum day1 - and some players just shouldnt get near lylo

so i just make sure no good town players get lynched and push for a lynch on whoever is the most obstructionist or useless, which often enough hits scum anyway because thats what scum do

yes people will have a fit about this and construe this as me not caring - it's empirically true though. Day1 is meaningless and the most important thing is that people interact and you dont lynch some good townie

its fucking infuriating when people play day1 like we should have some big logical cases and brainstorm for 2 weeks - which just kills the momentum of the game because theres no ACTUAL good info to use yet. No one has flipped, no night actions have been taken etc. day2 is the best day in the game for town and its not useful to drag out the game on a pointless day and sap energy from a very useful one

this among other reasons make day1 lynch nothing more than damage control. perfect win is nice but implausible, so really just agonizing over shit simply makes the game more unbearable

i realise these points will make people scream internally but pls dont bring ur flat earth theories into the debate. i was surprised to find this out too, but its empirically valid (tested over 354 games)

so can we pls lynch the very likely scum and if not scum functionally pointless and never going near lylo slot that is 2iam

thx

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who feels like this about day 1s.

This is actually horrible, even for Tchill lol

Even for Tchill?... Man the breeze feels nice in all this shade. Seriously though what's that mean? Lol

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VOTE: Tchill


ALso to expand on my Uzi thing it's aso like a general gut read that you don't want to appear scumread, and you aren't really aggresive like I know you can be

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

follow me!!!!

VOTE: Tchill

w/e lol

Well there it is. So at first I thought maybe mulch could be scum being aggressive with game replacement to blow up the thread with fluff. Then mulch does vote me AFTER formerfish reveals our neighborhood. Which sets up the next mislynch for the scum because that's exactly what mulch would persue after I flip town.

VOTE: mulch

*puts helmet on, prepares for blowback*

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I've played in games with town scum neighborhoods, while it could set up a mislynch, you could be lurker scum.

Well you're exactly right. It could set up a mislynch and I could be lurker scum. You're still a high scumread of mine though.

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VC 1.46

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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  TwoInAMillion

  (L-3): Narna, Tchill13, Transcend, rb

  
  
  

  Lil Uzi Vert

  (L-5): Flavor Leaf, humaneatingmonkey

  
  
  

  Tchill13

  (L-6): Formerfish

  
  
  

  Flavor Leaf

  (L-6): Mulch

  
  
  

  humaneatingmonkey

  (L-6): tictac

  
  
  

  iDanyboy

  (L-6): TwoInAMillion

  
  
  

  Mulch

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  Not voting

  (2): iDanyboy, Lil Uzi Vert

  
  

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Mulch should be voting me here right? I went back and checked to make sure. It scared me for a second I thought I missed where mulch may have changed his vote or something lol.

oh nooooooooooooo you're right

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I admit that this game is going at a speed I'm having trouble keeping up with. You stated what could or could not be. I simply agreed that lurking could or could not be the case. It isn't. This is easily the fastest game I've ever been in.

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I don't see any pro town reason for a neighbor to lurk. He's not a cop or a doctor or a super important role. The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's scum.

Vote: Tchill

You're justifying my mislynch already because I'm not a super important role? Lol townies do a lot of things that aren't pro town to lynch scum. You're main goal as town isn't to look pro towny it's to lynch scum. The only ones worried about looking pro towny are scum.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Mulch I'm not forgetting about you and I know you claimed JOAT but if me and formerfish are BOTH town, which I believe at the moment, then that makes 6 PR's right? I'm inclined to believe somebody is lying. If anyone is lying it's either mulch or twoinamillion. I would rather persue the mulch avenue but twoinamillion just wouldn't have that apparently.

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How am I lurking? Have I been mentioned before and popped up immediately? I'm going through isos at a time I have the ability to.

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... Alright buddy... Thanks for backing up your statements with solid content.

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The issue I have with twoinamillion calling me out as a lurker is he seems to be pushing something that could eventually lead to an easy wagon just by claiming I'm lurking with the fact that formerfish mentioned the neighborhood. Twoinamillion do you also think iDanyboy, Flavor Leaf, Narna and tic tac are all lurking too? Why am I much more of a likely lurker than any of these players? Why push me specifically?

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See from my perspective the fact is you've already claimed and you're still the leading wagon. So at this point you're going to push anything with little to no reason to avoid a lynch and start up another counter wagon. So with that in mind twoinamillion if you could provide some valuable information as to why I'm lurking I maybe a little more understanding.

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Hey how about we definitely give me a second to catch up... I love how game replacement was the kill though. That only further validates my opinion.

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VOTE: mulch

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Yeah, yeah we'll see. Here comes that scary death tunnel I've never seen... Just for the players information I've never been part of a neighbor thread until this game. I had no idea how to approach it with the fact that formerfish could also be scum. I'm still not sure how to. Quite frankly it doesn't matter at this point. Why weren't you the night kill? I thought a watcher role was a little weaker compared to JOAT.

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Plus he was a fucking watcher claim it was obvious either he or me or RB was gonna be the nightkill why are you acting like this was a shocking revelation?

Why would a watcher be killed over a JOAT? I don't care if game replacement town read you. If you're scum that's exactly why you'd kill him (because you're not a town pr) and he was on top of the fact he town read you so you're gonna point that out.

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VOTE: Tchill

Tchill or Dannyboy are the only lynch choices for today.

Why isn't rb in here then mulch?

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No I town read formerfish because why would scum push a mislynch on their neighbor they know is scum? Wouldn't that lead to their lynch the next day phase? Also I meant if formerfish is town then you will use my town flip as a setup for his mislynch also. Gives scum 2 town lynches.

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Tchill is unsurprisingly absent from our pt. Viva la neighborhood!

I'm not responding to tunneling lol. Waste your time in the pt I frankly don't care.

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Yeah... I'd like some other opinions on if I flip town is formerfish still towny.

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Tchill you know I'm not good at game theory, why do you think I would be sophisticated enough to soft a role day 1 as scum?

I know you're good overall. As far as details I haven't really read much into game theory or setup speculation. I just play. I don't look for those in other players either. So no I didn't know you weren't good at game theory.

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No I town read formerfish because why would scum push a mislynch on their neighbor they know is scum? Wouldn't that lead to their lynch the next day phase? Also I meant if formerfish is town then you will use my town flip as a setup for his mislynch also. Gives scum 2 town lynches.

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

is this a scumslip

I'm crying lmao he said "they know is scum"

Lol yeah obviously I meant they think is scum. Mulch the fact that this game is the fastest I've played in added with the fact that there's a new wrinkle in it for me in the form of a neighborhood pt is why I'm probably not making sense and of all the people you should be able to see that.

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My scum game is a little more thought out than this... At least I'd like to think so.

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No I'm terrible as scum. Probably because I think too much.

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My scum game is a little more thought out than this... At least I'd like to think so.

Where did I say I was good? Are you saying I implied that? Well I was talking about the fact I don't miss use information as scum but town I've gotten a lot of things wrong out of negligence to read the thread and keep up on all the details. That IS a fact.

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I can't link the game. I'm just getting vibes your scummy from the fact you mucked up the thread with a 1v1 with game replacement knowing full well he'd help you do that. Then you don't get killed when you claim a stronger role.

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I hard defended you when I knew you were town one game and I'm getting the opposite feeling from you this game.

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I can't link the game

Because it dosen't exist

I'm not gonna break a site rule. That's all I'll say about it.

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Scum you would definitely say that though lol.

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Watcher is pretty busted

It's almost negative utility

Why would scum RB kill the watcher?

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Yeah... I'd like some other opinions on if I flip town is formerfish still towny.

What the fuck is this shit?

It's my defense to the death tunnel of which the likes I've never seen.

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Watcher is pretty busted

It's almost negative utility

Why would scum RB kill the watcher?

Because if he was scum he could be lying about this or faking or just pretending he thinks this or about a million other things, this is weak as fuck

You can put "if he was scum he'd do this and this because he did this" on just about any action and make it sound weak AF.

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And you disregarded it saying it's weak af. I disagree.

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Disregarded why I think he's town. He's literally the guy that posted watcher is almost a negative utility. I doubt he had a hand in game replacements kill.

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I honestly don't care about how much mulch posts. Notice he's doing the same thing with me he did with game replacement. Ik he's had a scum game with over 1700 posts I just don't know which game. So his posts count is NAI for town or scum.

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It's just a 1v1 back and forth that runs up the post count with no real game defying reason that I am certainly scum.

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Why are you telling my I'm making beautiful moves? This really is unlike a death tunnel I've ever seen.

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Tchill, how much is your Mulch read policy and how much scumread.

Town seems to have no kill ability, and a 1shot commute or BP seems odd to have on scum in a setup where town have no killing power. But I consider Mulch scum MVP at this point because of his posting rate. There's a difference between short posts with content posted at a fast rate, and literally taking 10 posts to say one sentence.

I'll consider playing the game when Mulch considers doing the same.

Policy? I would never willfully policy lynch opposed to lynching for scum. That's just stupid.

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Mulch I want you to seriously consider the fact that you have more than 90 posts since this Day started about 120 minutes ago.

He's making good posts today. Stop trying to distract from the actual game.

Formerfish only agrees because mulch is trying to get me lynched. He actually has mulch doing the work for him at the moment.

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RB is policy lynching a JOAT, great fucking job dumbass

I don't care what the reason is as long as you're lynched because you're scum. I was just saying I wouldn't policy lynch.

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Why are you telling my I'm making beautiful moves? This really is unlike a death tunnel I've ever seen.

You don't have much experience with sarcasm do ya boy? Why would you care about how I am going to be seen after your death?

But... But... My post was sarcastic?

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Mulch I want you to seriously consider the fact that you have more than 90 posts since this Day started about 120 minutes ago.

He's making good posts today. Stop trying to distract from the actual game.

Formerfish only agrees because mulch is trying to get me lynched. He actually has mulch doing the work for him at the moment.

WHy would I be the fucking scum if I am the one doing the work? I thought you based a lot on the fact that Formerfish was scum because they would take the heat? Yet you are townreading him now? WHy aren't you saying I am towny for taking the heat from your fip? Why has your perspective changed?

I based a lot on the fact formerfish was TOWN because they'd take the heat. He I'd in a NEIGHBORHOOD with me. So if he led a mislynch it would lead to the town thinking it was because of false information that they COULDN'T confirm. You are not in that position. Everything you say as far as we know can be confirmed. My perspective hasn't changed.

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Let's not forget the fact that mulch is making it that much easier for his scum buddies not to do anything.

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I'm taking a break and letting the others chew on this.

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One last note. I was willing to work with formerfish... Sorta kinda... Until he asked for ALL of my reads in FULL detail... Idk if that's normal or not... But that did NOT sound towny lol... Anyways I'll be back in a while.

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Im going after tchill tomorrow, I already wispered sweet nothings to him in our pt.

That moment you move into a neighborhood and you get the neighbor from hell lol.

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Oh... My... Lord. I swear if we mislynch uzi instead of scum lynching mulch then every single towny is to blame on this loss. Every, single, one.

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I just caught up.... I'm pushing mulch because he fake claimed. Uzi gets scum/pr message when he hits one of the two... So if I think Mulch fake claimed then obviously I think he's scum here. Which I do.

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You wanted me to lynch scum. Join me on Uzi.

I've watched you pushed the hell out of a mislynch and now I'm watching you do it again and it's just so frustrating. Mulch even said I've never misread him. Guess what? This is the first game I think he's scum.

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So we're serious here? We're literally gonna let scum win off a mulch fake claim? He JUST SO HAPPENED to check uzi as his night action and got a vt result the same night that uzi checked mulch and got pr/scum?... Please correct me if I am wrong if that's the situation... Do yall not see how mulch could have fake claimed here? Why in the world wouldn't uzi just sit back and let me get mislynched if he's scum?... Geez. Maybe I am wrong and maybe mulch didn't fake claim but yall aren't even giving that any thought... Former I hope you're scum with mulch because if you aren't I don't know how in the world you can dig in without the possibility that you're wrong like you've done this whole game.

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Read my iso from most current to the beginning of today.

Uzi. I'm not saying mulch is hard town here. I just know Tchill is scum here. 100%.

All the games I let other people run me. This isn't the one. Tchill is today's lynch.

This is my favorite post so far though. Like guys I'm 100 percent scum but formerfish is gonna vote somebody else... Makes no sense. You don't ever take your vote off the guy if you know they're scum.

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Why would uzi as scum stir up anything when I was obviously gonna get lynched?... Why? Before you say "it's because yall are the scum team" Why wouldn't he have just bussed at that point? Formerfish said uzi is a smart player. Bussing would have been a smarter play. There's literally no need for uzi to fake claim in that situation. All mulch has done this game is 1v1 anybody that stayed on long enough to. He's got formerfish so pocketed that formerfish thinks he's actually pushing his own ideas... Idk. I obviously could be severely wrong but I'm not gonna sit by and not persue what I believe is happening in this game.

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Ohhhhh boy is that a hell of a risk for scum uzi to stick his neck out and fake claim when I'm the one about to be lynched. If that's what happened bravo uzi for being that confident to make that move... That's obviously not what happened people. Scum uzi just busses me there if I'm his partner. If I'm not his partner he just let's me get lynched. He did neither... We're both freaking town.

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I don't even have a strong town read at the moment because of lack of posting from the other slots, well compared to the rate of this thread. I guess my biggest town read would actually be uzi at this point.

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Backhand is definitely a good place to start the day I can see where your push is coming from tic tac.

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Serious question. Why would virtuoso get NK'd instead of me? I thought for sure it'd be me the way I defended uzi and scum read mulch since day 1. That doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah that's not an answer idanyboy. If you're scum it doesn't make sense to kill virtuoso but keep me alive there.

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Because I hard defended uzi and I've made it clear that mulch's was scum since day 1. I pretty much blamed everyone that had a part in mislynching uzi the reason for the loss if we lose.

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VOTE: idanyboy

I like where this is going and I agree with the thought process.

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Brought what up?

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I'd like to hear from a few more slots before we committed to a lynch. The slots that haven't played too much.

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UNVOTE:

Yeah that doesn't look good on his part. Are you suggesting he's scum? His case on you did make sense.

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Okay... You're case makes just as much sense. I'm in an odd spot because both the cases make sense. I also have no idea who the last scum would be if either of you flipped scum.

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More people need to weigh in on this.

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Ughhhhhhhh now I'm starting to think all three of you might be town. Formerfish went pretty hard after mulch on Day 1 when he was actually in some danger.

Why is iDanyboy town and why am I town?

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Okay why do you think formerfish is town now backhand?

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Once people put their two cents in on this situation I feel like we'll catch scum.

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I'm not sure if I agree with the implication that tic tac is scum. I was kinda town reading that slot due to the fact he said Lil uzi town slipped.

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Yeah I was hoping we could get some input from all the slots but I doubt that's going to happen.

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Narna why should I get lynched today?

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Low energy. Virtuoso kill is odd. The low info kill would be flavor leaf, otherwise tchill should die.

I read this wrong. I think Ik why I may not have died though.

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VOTE: formerfish

I'll try to be as detailed as possible. Basically during a night phase in the neighborhood thread I told formerfish I was scum and he was the NK. He didn't act surprised. He didn't act happy he was right about me being scum. Simply said something along the lines "it is what it is". That was his reaction. So after pushing a little more and getting nothing much as far as reactions go in return I claimed it was a reaction test and he passed and now I knew he was town. Then I went along with whatever he said because I obviously didn't want to get night killed if he's scum which I believe. What put the nail in the coffin for me was his complete concrete flip on my slot with little to no suspicion of me being scum anymore. IDanyboy pressured him to explain it and he just said some stuff happened in the neighborhood. He never really even explained his townread of myself to me. I just said I'm completely willing to follow his lead and all of a sudden I'm pretty town to him. I tried to let the day phase play out as much as possible to see who sided with and against formerfish and validate my reads on other slots. Lynching formerfish is gonna be my priority the rest of this day phase.

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Ughhhhhhhh now I'm starting to think all three of you might be town. Formerfish went pretty hard after mulch on Day 1 when he was actually in some danger.

Why is iDanyboy town and why am I town?

Danyboy is gut/meta(ish) -- I just played a game where I almost immediately scumread him correctly and he just does not feel the same as in that game. And your response to this seems townlike, I would expect scum you to more strongly pick a side.

Tchill/formerfish, what are your thoughts about the interactions with mulch around post 500? I hadn't really registered on my first read that mulch had got to L-3. There's no real counterwagon that seemed to obviously form, but I wasn't actually in the game at that point. . . looking back and knowing that mulch was scum, does that give you any ideas?

This further validated my scum read on formerfish. I went back and checked this out with the fact that I tried so hard to get him off the uzi vote and onto the mulch one later in the game and he just flat out ignored me. If you keep that fact in mind this definitely looks like formerfish is distancing from mulch. He had every opportunity to not mislynch uzi with me pointing out why it's a terrible idea. Had he ACTUALLY scum read mulch at any point he would've given my statements on the uzi and mulch 1v1 a little more attention. So I'm confident in my read on formerfish. He just went with mulch against uzi no questions asked even though he "scumread" mulch earlier.

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I doubt it. I'll check and make sure. The main thing here is we all got to watch his sudden flip on my slot and hardly explained it. I understand skepticism about the neighborhood thread information but if you'll reread mulch interactions around 500 while thinking about the fact that formerfish sided with mulch later in the game to get uzi mislynched while another player was screaming why it was wrong to do so then it definitely looks like formerfish is distancing himself from mulch around the 500 mark.

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He did actually tell me that he ignored my opinion there because he scumread me at the time. My issue with that is why did he side with someone he scum read earlier and when exactly did that scum read of mulch change enough to be able to side with him?... I've pretty much laid out every reason I have to scum read formerfish.

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Low energy. Virtuoso kill is odd. The low info kill would be flavor leaf, otherwise tchill should die.

I read this wrong. I think Ik why I may not have died though.

I'm pretty sure they decided to hunt in inactives for another pr kill and formerfish pushed flavor leaf as a lynch in the neighborhood thread ever since I sided with him. I FEEL like the only reason I'm alive is because formerfish told scum he had me pocketed...

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Yeah I made it obvious before the end of the night phase he wasn't getting NK'd. I don't have much experience with fish.

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I've already stated my opinions on why you were scum in detail. I don't see the need to 1v1. This is not a reaction test.

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Yeah I'm definitely willing to die for this lol. You're scum. I don't have much faith in the rest of town because of the absolutely awful mislynch that uzi was but let's get this one right OK?

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Sweet now you're lying about what was in the neighborhood thread. Formerfish is definitely scum. I've

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RB.

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Alright... I reread and saw where I said that. Tell me how my case doesn't make sense on you though? It's pretty compelling to me.

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You've bounced around quite a bit formerfish.

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Your statement doesn't matter. If anything I just proved there's no point in me lying.

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I'm pretty dead set on the former fish lynch. Still haven't seen too much that would change my opinion. I HARD TR idanyboy and tic tac. The scum read of tic tac intrigued me.

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From the moment you said it is what it is I pretty much just went along with whatever you wanted former fish.

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Anybody else have any other questions or?

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well I was gonna yell at ya for fastlynching Uzi, but I'm feeling tired today.

"scumz foresaw their goon being called vanilla and had a plan of

self-sacrifice

in place"
^this is what needed to be true for Uzi to be scum.
I think it's

slightly

less likely than "Uzi played bad"

Admittedly this argument only occurred to me days after he was lynched.
And that is why ya don't rush a lynch and ya don't quickhammer.
Ya take the time to think and ya take the time to listen to counterarguments instead of jumping to "partner"

It's seriously twisted that not looking like a potential partner is more important than weigting the merits of all arguments before lynching. People look for presence of absense of "scumhunting" and logic, but they sheep neither. Site-meta says LAMIST is scummy, but it seems to be all anyone ever does.

If day 1 had a proper intent to hammer (takes rl-days) 2mil would have claimed properly I'm pretty sure, but monkey rushhammers and the slot walks away scott-free. I'm pretty sure that is because many of ya would have hammered in monkeys place. "gotz to be unhesitant in lynching scumz or I'll look bad oh no".
Thing is, monkey was emulating himself a town and monkey isn't one to do that. He seriously broke character with 2mil hammer.

VOTE: Backhand
This slot has rushed a lynch on 2 claimed town PRs now.
One of those lynches would probs have swung on Mulch had people had more time to argue for it.
Any reasonable town would lynch this today. I don't actually think it's gonna happen here.
Peace.

pedit: or scumz like the way things are going and don't want fresh perspective to mess things up.

well I was gonna yell at ya for fastlynching Uzi, but I'm feeling tired today.

"scumz foresaw their goon being called vanilla and had a plan of

self-sacrifice

in place"
^this is what needed to be true for Uzi to be scum.
I think it's

slightly

less likely than "Uzi played bad"

Admittedly this argument only occurred to me days after he was lynched.
And that is why ya don't rush a lynch and ya don't quickhammer.
Ya take the time to think and ya take the time to listen to counterarguments instead of jumping to "partner"

It's seriously twisted that not looking like a potential partner is more important than weigting the merits of all arguments before lynching. People look for presence of absense of "scumhunting" and logic, but they sheep neither. Site-meta says LAMIST is scummy, but it seems to be all anyone ever does.

If day 1 had a proper intent to hammer (takes rl-days) 2mil would have claimed properly I'm pretty sure, but monkey rushhammers and the slot walks away scott-free. I'm pretty sure that is because many of ya would have hammered in monkeys place. "gotz to be unhesitant in lynching scumz or I'll look bad oh no".
Thing is, monkey was emulating himself a town and monkey isn't one to do that. He seriously broke character with 2mil hammer.

VOTE: Backhand
This slot has rushed a lynch on 2 claimed town PRs now.
One of those lynches would probs have swung on Mulch had people had more time to argue for it.
Any reasonable town would lynch this today. I don't actually think it's gonna happen here.
Peace.

pedit: or scumz like the way things are going and don't want fresh perspective to mess things up.

I don't follow your point on Uzi--to me, it broke down to:

Mulch claimed a power role Day 1
Mulch claimed LUV was vanilla
LUV said 'nuh uh' and claimed that he had investigated Mulch to find out he was

not vanilla which he had already claimed

which makes no sense! We might have it out more after the game but to me it looked very much like a poorly-thought-out counterclaim to try and get a mislynch. I can't speak to why monkey scumread million, he seemed townie when I buzzed through Day 1, but its clear that he did, so why would that hammer be suspicious?

Maybe I did rush the lynch on LUV, but I wanted that whole situation to be over, I probably wouldn't play with mulch again which is partially on me for replacing in without checking more closely on the gamestate.

Anyway.

I don't think tchill should be off the hook for going after mulch. Mulch set himself up for that blaze of glory, he knew he would be going down. Seems like a very easy situation to bus for a player that was being deservedly otherwise scumread.

Alternately, Flavor leaf needs to get involved in the game.

Also iirc multiple people said they'd hammer if a wagon got to l-1, transcend was an other. I would think it be more scummy to know that and to quietly ring someone up to l-1 in anticipation of a townie lol hammering after they said they were going to.

I think Dany is today's lynch.

VOTE: Dany

So basically I agreed to wait and see how the day phase opened up with formerfish. He's pushed flavor leaf forever. I'm the one that suggested iDanyboy but I will go back and re-read the neighborhood thread to make sure of this because that's a crucial part. Notice how formerfish didn't really wait too long to start the push. I asked him about it in the neighborhood and he stated he didn't like where the day phase was going. Which leads me to believe he didn't like the pressure back hand was getting.

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Yeah so basically formerfish didn't mention pushing iDanyboy in the neighborhood thread until I brought it up. So in a perfect world what happened was backhand (formerfish's scum partner) recieved some heat at the beginning of the day then formerfish comes out pushing iDanyboy because he believes I'll help him out and that will pick up momentum very quickly. That's what I'm thinking happened.

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Creepy stalker status confirmed.

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You said Dany after I had already mentioned him.

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Instead of lynching formerfish we're gonna let the game stagnate?... OK.

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Fuck this game. Scum in {tictac, Danny, fl, ff} I'll convince myself to play tonight.

Low energy. Virtuoso kill is odd. The low info kill would be flavor leaf, otherwise tchill should die.

oh wait ff said he wanted to massclaim lol nvm. His tchill push was town motivated iirc, and I don't see theatre between them.

Your posts line up with my thought process until the 3rd one. So what exactly changed?

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Yeah tictac has gotta be scum here. Just my thoughts. I don't really have any strong town reads at the moment. I'll have to go back and reread.

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Who is scum here other than tictac

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I town read tic tac because I was certain formerfish was scum. That changed with the flip obviously.

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Do you want me to vote you backhand? Lol I'll have to do some rereading before I lay a vote down but I'm leaning town on idanyboy.

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Oh okay I didn't realize that.

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Well sorry formerfish. Mulch I'm like 4/4 on you now... I really didn't understand how the Lil uzi lynch went by so easily.

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@Chill & Fish
Please release the neighborhood?
I wanna seeeee!

Sure. I'd like to know how I should play a neighborhood opposed to what I did this game. That'd be great. There were 2 day phases I didn't even get to post in.

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I was pretty aggravated about the uzi lynch and I let it effect my general effort in the game as far as really looking into everything. I really, honestly thought ff was scum so against I apologize for that. I just tunneled that thought process. Once mulch flipped scum I was kinda done because we had just given scum like 3 extra easily avoided kills. Shouldn't have let it effect me to that extent.

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Tchill has such a fucking God read on me lol

I'm used to you being right so when you were chasing avenues that made little to no since to me I knew something was up. I love the fact that I tried to make sure you didn't get mislynched one game then you did. Another game I demanded your lynch and it happened too late... Guess I have to work on my ability to persuade people.

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Genius.

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Dead thread is interesting lol.

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I just don't understand how people believed mulch just so happened to check uzi the night uzi just so happened to check mulch on top of the fact uzi had no business sticking his neck out as scum in that moment. Totally blew my mind.

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Did you think he was town fakeclaiming? Neapolitan works more like a cop than a role cop, in that it gets "vt" or "not vt" meaning it has hard innos. So use it on people who have not claimed PR, because using it on people who have means unless the target is an idiot, you will get a "not vt" result which means NOTHING at that point.

so he correctly got a guilty on someone and you're mad at him for it? @_@

I lol'd. I do agree with the statement that there was hardly any cooperation from town and that was the ultimate down fall. I've yet to see justification for uzi's lynch. It was mainly the timing and way uzi went about his result that cleared uzi as town. People want to focus on how he used the role and speaking in terms of his lynch that shouldn't have been what did him in because of HOW and WHEN he revealed his result that he shouldn't have been lynched. As I've already stated that was the moment town lost in my opinion. Instead of lynching mulch who had already had a wagon form against him before that point we tunneled the guy who had not been scum read yet for his use of the role.

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I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but I couldn't see straight for a while after that mislynch.

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Tic tac you read the neighborhood thread? I'd like any insight.

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My paranoia was pretty high and because of the uzi mislynch I was just dead set on scum reading fish. I appreciate the insight.