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[Formerfish]

VOTE: Mulch

Wasn't scum last game, must be scum this game. Gamblers Logic.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Mulch

Yup, you made that post. I can see both on this page alone actually. What was the point of that?

[Formerfish]

I'm gonna be not logical this game

How do u intend to find scum?

Eh, logic isn't really a good way to find scum.

Hey mulchy, you around? I wanna start here with you. I don't really care about you trying to get us out of rvs on my back again. Do you think I should have been lynched day 2 in our last game with GI's "guilty?"

[Formerfish]

I'm gonna be not logical this game

How do u intend to find scum?

Eh, logic isn't really a good way to find scum.

Hey mulchy, you around? I wanna start here with you. I don't really care about you trying to get us out of rvs on my back again. Do you think I should have been lynched day 2 in our last game with GI's "guilty?"

yes

Yes, you are around, or yes you think I should have hung?

[Formerfish]

So logic would state in that situation that I was scum and deserved to hang. In reality I was town and could have helped. Logic says hang me, you dont think that logic is a good way to find scum, and your still sticking by using logic to find scum in that situation.

Did i get that right?

[Formerfish]

WTF are these questions supposed to do

Listen, maestro, we are dancing. Calm down and dance.

Ninja: Then reconcile your ideals on that with the situation last game.

[Formerfish]

WTF are these questions supposed to do

Listen, maestro, we are dancing. Calm down and dance.

Ninja: Then reconcile your ideals on that with the situation last game.

No, you had a guilt yon you, this has nothing to do with logic.

You know i didnt.

He was role blocked, he got a no result. You know I was fucking town right?

[Formerfish]

WTF are these questions supposed to do

Listen, maestro, we are dancing. Calm down and dance.

Ninja: Then reconcile your ideals on that with the situation last game.

No, you had a guilt yon you, this has nothing to do with logic.

You know i didnt.

He was role blocked, he got a no result. You know I was fucking town right?

idk man and more importantly who cares

I do because I feel like it goes in the face of what you claim you belive earlier in this game. So i need to figure out how that makes sense for me to not see you as a threat to the town here.

[Formerfish]

Mulch. Fucking stop this shit man. We are not going to have a repeat of last game.

[Formerfish]

I do because I feel like it goes in the face of what you claim you belive earlier in this game. So i need to figure out how that makes sense for me to not see you as a threat to the town here.

Threat as a town while being town, or as scum?

Both, hes a frustrating player to have as either.

[Formerfish]

I wonder if FormerFish is going to suggest policy lynching me

No I want you to chill the fuck out so i can sort you, jesus.

[Formerfish]

You know your vote is already on me, right? And how can i sort you if you refuse to play along with my reindeer games?

[Formerfish]

I do because I feel like it goes in the face of what you claim you belive earlier in this game. So i need to figure out how that makes sense for me to not see you as a threat to the town here.

Threat as a town while being town, or as scum?

Both, hes a frustrating player to have as either.

I actually felt like that at first but now I really like playing with him.
The thing with Mulch is he tries his best regardless and imo that kind if play should always be rewarded on the site, not penalised.
Because you don't agree with his thoughts don't try to push him out of the game because of previous experiences.

I am not trying to push him out of anything, that seems like a bit of a leap there. I am simply trying to use my experience with him to see how i feel about him in this game. I feel like that is a fairly ideal way to approach day 1 on page 10.

[Formerfish]

You know your vote is already on me, right? And how can i sort you if you refuse to play along with my reindeer games?

It wasn't

Sorry i forgot how much you like to vote hop.

[Formerfish]

I am not trying to push him out of anything, that seems like a bit of a leap there. I am simply trying to use my experience with him to see how i feel about him in this game. I feel like that is a fairly ideal way to approach day 1 on page 10.

You told me he's a threat to town regardless of his alignment.
What else did you want me to take from that comment?

From my opinion yes, and that is solely on me. Why would you take my word for anything on him at this point?

[Formerfish]

we just finished a game and i disliked the way he played day 1. Thats it.

[Formerfish]

we just finished a game and i disliked the way he played day 1. Thats it.

That game I DIDNT play day 1 basically...

Your vote history day 1

"Mulch(18): iDanyboy==> massive==> Lil Uzi Vert==> Formerfish==> EeveeLution Army==> Bomberman==> EeveeLution Army==> MMM==> Lil Uzi Vert==> MMM==> Lil Uzi Vert=> Unvote==> Chickadee=> Unvote==> LmkGuy==> Mulch==> LmkGuy==> Tchill13"

[Formerfish]

From my opinion yes, and that is solely on me. Why would you take my word for anything on him at this point?

I wouldn't.
But I know that if you're town and Mulch is town then Scum probably will.

And that makes day 1 into a push because someone is salty from a different game.

Do you see my problem here?

Im not salty, im using it as a baseline to judge him off of.

[Formerfish]

Former y/n you told me your scum game was indiferrentiable from your town game?

I like to think so yes.

[Formerfish]

we just finished a game and i disliked the way he played day 1. Thats it.

What about this game?

unvote

Im seeing a lot of the same things, so im leaning town, but dislike the effort it took to get here.

[Formerfish]

we just finished a game and i disliked the way he played day 1. Thats it.

That game I DIDNT play day 1 basically...

Your vote history day 1

"Mulch(18):

iDanyboy=

=>

massive==>

Lil Uzi Vert==> Formerfish==> EeveeLution Army==>

Bomberman==> EeveeLution Army==

>

MMM==>

Lil Uzi Vert==>

MMM==>

Lil Uzi Vert=>

Unvote==>

Chickadee=

> Unvote==>

LmkGuy==>

Mulch==>

LmkGuy==>

Tchill13"

you voted 9 people out of a 13 person game...

[Formerfish]

Former y/n you told me your scum game was indiferrentiable from your town game?

I like to think so yes.

What would you be doing differently if this was your scum game, do you think?

I wouldnt have stuck my neck out this early. I owuld have lurked about a bit to see what was going on and then pick apart some small thing that I could make into a bigger thing.

[Formerfish]

Have mulch and formerfish ever tunneled each other as scum scum?

weve only played t/t

[Formerfish]

we just finished a game and i disliked the way he played day 1. Thats it.

What about this game?

unvote

Im seeing a lot of the same things, so im leaning town, but dislike the effort it took to get here.

What effort did it take?

When i dance i like it to be less adversarial.

[Formerfish]

Do i need to read the last 10 pages

Pedit: stop
Pedit2: pls stop
Pedit3: pls pls stop
Pedit4: ok i can get used to this
Pedit5: yeah baby put some STANK on ur shitposts

Which post is this too, cause I loled

Pedit6: srsly guys can i hit submit now

[Formerfish]

When i dance i like it to be less adversarial.

When I dance I like to do the YMCA.
What efforts did you have to do?

What are you looking for here man? I feel like I have been asked and have answered this. I obviously dont get the question.

[Formerfish]

I am loving rb right now, this is fucking gold.

[Formerfish]

Wait, hes not an alt?

What newbie game has he finished in 7 days?

[Formerfish]

Wait, hes not an alt?

What newbie game has he finished in 7 days?

You don't need to do newbie games.

Wait, hes not an alt?

What newbie game has he finished in 7 days?

Not a req

No newbie games. Not an alt

yikes, i see that now, has it always been that way or did it change? i remember more requirements when I joined.

[Formerfish]

Miles requested replacement

Probably saw 10+ pages in less than 24 hours and said nope.

Lmao

Based on experience mulch, we should just lynch miles slot now

[Formerfish]

Are we still in RVS?

I think at least 1 scum has been active so far. No town would ever wish their fellow town 16 pages of shit-content to sift through.

Probably Mulch. VOTE: Mulch

VOTE: Unvote

Bad post.

VOTE: Human

[Formerfish]

What the fuck guys?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Mulch

Appealing to the mod for game throwing? Get real man.

[Formerfish]

Mulch and Vedith are tvt lol

Former might be scum too that vote was bad.

Appealing to the mod is something I only think scum would do. Don't agree? Fuck off.

[Formerfish]

Nothing about his anger comes off as legit to me.

[Formerfish]

Holy shit this is going to be the shortest game on the site if we keep going this way.

[Formerfish]

Nothing about his anger comes off as legit to me.

Do you actually believe this?

I see this coming from scum who wants us to believe that he is so beside himself for what has happened. All I see coming from this is wifom vomit.

[Formerfish]

If I get nightkilled I'm imposing a 3 month vedith ban, and this is from someone that does not blacklist anyone. This is a promise. I'm not backing out of this.

See how is anyone buying this type of shit from him?

[Formerfish]

Mulch, do you gambit as a player?

[Formerfish]

Never? Wow. ok.

VOTE: unvote

I guess I am a bit paranoid after last game. I'm not scum here guys, just a bit jumpy.

[Formerfish]

Never? Wow. ok.

VOTE: unvote

I guess I am a bit paranoid after last game. I'm not scum here guys, just a bit jumpy.

WTF you think I'm scum and now believe as scum I would tell the truth about that?

Fucking hell Mulch, I am saying that I am jumping to conclusions and am realizing that I might be tilting at windmills here.

I am pulling back and reassessing because I feel like I am being blinded. Can you just back the fuck off me a second and give me some room? Every thing I am doing you are all over with your inane bullshit.

[Formerfish]

Never? Wow. ok.

VOTE: unvote

I guess I am a bit paranoid after last game. I'm not scum here guys, just a bit jumpy.

WTF you think I'm scum and now believe as scum I would tell the truth about that?

It is somehting that I could look up and then use agaoinst you as scum here if you lied, that would be stupid of you to do,

[Formerfish]

Is it jumpy or on tilt, Fish?

Does it really matter how I answer this?

[Formerfish]

Hey Lil uzi thoughts on the game replacement and mulch pissing contest? I think of the two game replacement would be scum if scum is there.

He's town and this is scummy

Talk to me about this.

[Formerfish]

Mulch, what if i told you that i have reason to believe that there is a good chance that chill is scum?

And fuck off monkey, you probably are too.

Mulch, remember i pushed 2 of the scum to hang in that game and would have found the third if allowed to live.

[Formerfish]

Mulch you thought the same exact thing last game. I was town there and I'm town here.

[Formerfish]

Hey Lil uzi thoughts on the game replacement and mulch pissing contest? I think of the two game replacement would be scum if scum is there.

TvT.

Is it jumpy or on tilt, Fish?

Does it really matter how I answer this?

Yes.

I feel like I could be stabbing at shadows.

[Formerfish]

Fish isn't this sloppy as scum which is why I'm trying to figure out if he's on tilt.

I just dont know why I keep getting scum read so easily as town? When I am scum I can hide like a motherfucker.

[Formerfish]

Jesus christ, if the scum team ends up being trans/monkey/chill I will literally shit myself.

[Formerfish]

STOP.
FLOODING.
THE.
THREAD.

Game is stoopid for hardclaiming PR. @Game, how serious is this?
Mulch, did you PR claim too? How serious is this?
Formerfish is stoopid for jumping on that Mulch wagon. He's obv scum now.
Everybody flooding the thread is stoopid and should stop.

P-EDIT: I can't even post a post without a post being posted. FML.

Fake btw

Agreed, he tried to emulate what he saw rb get some town reads for, it came off like a bad snl sketch.

[Formerfish]

You're posting a lot about not being able to post. Read the game, and then post. This is like when I'm arguing with .y ex and all she wants to bitch about is how I cut her off and never let her talk, and then when I shut my mouth she keeps at me about cutting her off.

[Formerfish]

Fucking hell. We both did it. When I would I would stop myself... This analogy has run off the rails.

[Formerfish]

I'm just getting home from work and out of the shower (fucking glorious by the way), I was able to keep up a little at work thanks to IBS so I know i have a lot to catch up on.

Monkey, I saw you ask me questions, I will get to those.

Mulch is voting me again, and I like Narnas questions because they are actually going to allow me to show my train of thought on things instead of just having to argue with a wall.

Mulch, you scum read me last game right? And I ended up town and helped get two of the 2 scum pegged, and would have had the third if id stayed alive. I have shown that I can be a benefit to the town. Back off and give me a little room to prove myself. I cant get a good grasp on the rest of the game if i always have you yelling bullshit in my ear. I have something you just need to give me the chance to work it and prove that im worth keeping alive.

[Formerfish]

Before I start in I just want to point out that Mulch has over 400 posts in this 1200 post game... I am not saying that is indicative of anything because I cant speak to his normal behavior, this is just insane.

[Formerfish]

Mulch, are you around?

[Formerfish]

Are we still in RVS?
I think at least 1 scum has been active so far. No town would ever wish their fellow town 16 pages of shit-content to sift through.
Probably Mulch. VOTE: Mulch

Ok, so this is where Monkey comes in, and I hated this post. The question about it still being rvs was beyond fake, no way this deep in a game are we in rvs anymore, and its not like he waited to see if we were or not, he just voted mulch. The entrance was bad, and the vote was worse. Thats why I unvoted mulch and voted monkey here:

Are we still in RVS?
I think at least 1 scum has been active so far. No town would ever wish their fellow town 16 pages of shit-content to sift through.
Probably Mulch. VOTE: Mulch

VOTE: Unvote
Bad post.
VOTE: Human

Keep in mind that this is right in the middle of Game going after tictac, and then mulch threatens Game.

(Mulch, why did you step in the middle of that by the way?)

Then the cross voting from Mulch and Game came, that comes around post 425. My next post is this at 494

What the fuck guys?

A couple pages of bullshit later I vote for Mulch again in 529 because i felt like his appealing to the mod for game throwing was out of proportion to what was happening. His emotions during that whole exchange came off as fake to me. This early in a game that is a decent enough crumb to follow. Then I asked a direct question here:

Mulch, do you gambit as a player?

And you told me no. Obviously this is something that I could look up or others in this thread could refute since it seems like there are multiple people in here with experience playing with you. Lying about gambiting would be signing your own death warrant. So yes, i belived you and unvoted.

I started to come to a full town read on you when you started talking about tchill. Your analysis of what he was doing was spot on. And there are inconsistencies with other things chilly has said as well.

Full scum read started on monkey with this post:

I'm hanging myself.

Is there a way to reverse-ISO the thread where game and mulch isn't there?

because its his third post talking about how hard it is going to be to read and play. Hes stalling.

Game:

VOTE: Monkey

I like this vote.
Goes with Scum for me and Scum Chilly would vote here for distance.

::ding, ding::

Then I dont post for 600 posts. Catching up on that shit now.

[Formerfish]

Some questions for Fish:

Yup, you made that post. I can see both on this page alone actually. What was the point of that?

Are you trying to put on a serious face here so we can get out of RVS or are you seriously asking this because this gives you a lead?

I asked because I was curious why he did that. It was indicative of nothing other than my curiosity.

I wonder if FormerFish is going to suggest policy lynching me

No I want you to chill the fuck out so i can sort you, jesus.

Did your incessant throwback lead to a sorting conclusion?

Yes. I eventually came to townread him.

Based on experience mulch, we should just lynch miles slot now

Is this a joke or are you seriously considering this? Why bring this up?

Joke, I pushed a replacing player last game on day 1 and got shit for it, they ended up scum.

Appealing to the mod is something I only think scum would do. Don't agree? Fuck off.

Why would it be something only the scum would do? How serious is this from 1 to 10?

Serious about seeing that as scummy? 6?

Mulch, what if i told you that i have reason to believe that there is a good chance that chill is scum?

I'd like a follow-up on this.

Done, chilly is very likely scum.

Jesus christ, if the scum team ends up being trans/monkey/chill I will literally shit myself.

Why?

To varying degrees those are all people I've said could be scum so far.

I just dont know why I keep getting scum read so easily as town? When I am scum I can hide like a motherfucker.

Maybe not this game. I'm not so sure yet. You'd have to help me out of this.

Not sure what this last part means.

[Formerfish]

Forgot about FF

Dislike bot his votes in 476 and his vote in 529. I disagree with his 538 and 541 would like an explanation for both. His 'what if i told you that i have reason to believe that there is a good chance that chill is scum?' in 616 needs explanation. Why do you think rb is being truthful compared to monkey in 665 and remember that you just townread him in 616. Again in 679 he attacks monkey for doing the same things that rb has been doing.

Still feel the same way about my votes knowing where my head was? 538- you dont have to agree with me. I really only see scum using that as a tactic. I am very aware that I could be wrong. 541- it felt fake to me. but i can agree that maybe I was just working myself up. I took a step back and saw something I could work with mulch on. Ive expanded on chilly. I feel like rb was coming off as very natural and not forced. My brother says that he can read me based off my sense of humor. rb would have passed his test where monkey would have fell flat. For me it was all about how monkey came in, his first 3 posts left a very bad taste in my mouth.

[Formerfish]

I feel like I have good understanding of who Fish is as a person and how emotional he can get and what's over the top for him. I wanted to see if he was actually jumpy and not in a state of mental or emotional confusion and whether that state is coming from a town Fish or a scum Fish who wasn't able to push an agenda as scum. I wanted to essentially get in his head a little bit and see if he was actually just paranoid and trigger happy or is scum who would misplay and over justify.

Ok, you have a bit more to go on now with my recent posting. What have you learned?

[Formerfish]

where is chill in all of this? Im around the 780s and there is something I dont know what to do with. I think that I am 90% sure he is scum, but explaining would potentially do more damage than im ready to unleash on my own.

[Formerfish]

Deflect power/responsibility because first game out of newbie and I haven't tested my mettle yet. I don't want to pied piper the town into a bad read. Not that kind of ego-maniac. Don't sheep me, vote with reason.

What are you guys voting TIAM for?

Deflect power/responsibility because first game out of newbie and I haven't tested my mettle yet. I don't want to pied piper the town into a bad read. Not that kind of ego-maniac. Don't sheep me, vote with reason.

What are you guys voting TIAM for?

Good response

It actually really is. Ok, so maybe my scum read on monkey was premature. God i feel like i have no idea how to mplay day 1s anymore.

[Formerfish]

I guess i dont know how to explain that either without doing the thing i want to try and avoid.

ninja- and what if we could lynch scum instead of a weakling?

[Formerfish]

Yup, because more and more I think about it, you are scum here, or at least you are the smartest play from my perspective today.

[Formerfish]

His vote on me was way opportunistic and then he unovted for a crappy reason, and he fake solved day 1

What do you mean I fake solved day 1?

[Formerfish]

That he did. I just peeped his iso. He also went from voting Monkey for a "bad post" in #476 to voting with him in #529. Note: Monkey hadn't made a post in that time. That is pretty suspicious coupled with the hop off, but I didn't get as bad vibes from him as I did from 2mill in my read through with context. Ima stick with my main read for now, and you should help us force the claim at this point.

Did i clear this up for you yet?

[Formerfish]

Ok, so after all of this i have concluded that with current claims, Tchill is 100% scum and we should lynch there today.

Tchill

[Formerfish]

that was supposed to be vote tags...

[Formerfish]

It's not good for us when he self-hammers or someone quick-hammers at this point of stage, too.

Why? If he's scum it doesn't matter, right?

As scum I pm mods and let them know I'm self hammering so they can end the day as soon as possible.

[Formerfish]

His vote on me was way opportunistic and then he unovted for a crappy reason, and he fake solved day 1

What do you mean I fake solved day 1?

Your second post of the game reeks of scum trying to seem like they are solving

I asked why he did something that seemed odd to me. How is that solving anything?

[Formerfish]

I was trying to see if there was a joke I was missing, his next post quoted both post iirc and I figured he was just fucking with you.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Mulch

Yup, you made that post. I can see both on this page alone actually. What was the point of that?

VOTE: Mulch

Nope, this one.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Mulch

Yup, you made that post. I can see both on this page alone actually. What was the point of that?

VOTE: Mulch

Nope, this one.

Can you explain it again? lol

He voted you, then two posts later he quoted it. I wanted to know why, so I asked. He responded and I concluded that most likely he was just fucking with you. It ended up being not useful right now.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Mulch

Yup, you made that post. I can see both on this page alone actually. What was the point of that?

VOTE: Mulch

Nope, this one.

Can you explain it again? lol

He voted you, then two posts later he quoted it. I wanted to know why, so I asked. He responded and I concluded that most likely he was just fucking with you. It ended up being not useful right now.

Eh, it's probably right that it's nothing big. I still don't like your weird vote schenanigans with me but you explained it fairly well. You've gone into nullscum territory from scum

Then work with me on lynching chillscum and see how helpful I can be.

[Formerfish]

I think that he might be fake claiming to take heat off someone else. Explains why he claimed the way he did, no town motivation at all here. There are already too many claims today, and honestly there are going g to be too many in general eventually.

[Formerfish]

I think that he might be fake claiming to take heat off someone else. Explains why he claimed the way he did, no town motivation at all here. There are already too many claims today, and honestly there are going g to be too many in general eventually.

He claimed to get out of a lynch? If you think he's fake claiming vote me with him.

At l-3 there was little chance of him getting lynched there. I dont see a vet doing that unless there was another reason to.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish: why do you think I have been focussed on the dodgy PR claims from since my entrance?

Maybe because I'm a PR and I'm pretty sure one of them at least is sketchy.

Ok, fair enough. We should lynch chill.

[Formerfish]

I don't know you or your play well enough to make that determination. If you are competent as a player you would be able to switch it up enough to prevent being overly predictable.

[Formerfish]

Mulch, come back to chill with me. We will lynch scum there.

[Formerfish]

Seems like he is playing more of a guarded game. Some of his posts just come off sounding hollow. Could be trying to pocket me with all that tilt stuff. Null to scum lean right now, but if have to do a deeper iso to come up with more specifics.

[Formerfish]

I'm feeling like a massclaim might work. I mean, I doubt there are any more power roles than a Jailkeeper, even night watcher, and mine, cause mine is fairly powerful. ALso your claim matches with mine which is another reason I'm townreading you.

Mulch, this is the avenue I was trying to go down last night. Mass claim is going to show 6 PRS for town.

[Formerfish]

I think it might help us figure out the best way to make use of or roles.

[Formerfish]

We arent massclaiming you fucking noobs

It's already basically happened and you were a big part of that, what is the negative from doing it fully now?

[Formerfish]

Wrt 2mill I have seen scum enablers of town roles, and have seen town enablers of scum roles.

Chill is scum, and probably one more of the claimed PRS are as well.

[Formerfish]

Do enablers work for all investigatives or just one role?

It depends on what the enabler enabled.

[Formerfish]

I'd lynch you, but I think I can still swing people into chill with me.

[Formerfish]

I'm not sold on Uzi yet. I like chill as a much stronger option.

[Formerfish]

Fish can you explain tchill?

I need a consensus for how detail to go into.

[Formerfish]

I'd like game, mulch and RB to weigh in as well

[Formerfish]

I'd like game, mulch and RB to weigh in as well

I'm actually too tired to care.

Then just vote chill with me.

[Formerfish]

Alright, our best bet is there right now then. He won't need to claim. I know what he should claim... but am pretty sure it'll be a lie.

[Formerfish]

I'd like game, mulch and RB to weigh in as well

I'm actually too tired to care.

Then just vote chill with me.

@fish I actually townread chill :/

It's a bad read and I can explain why.

[Formerfish]

Fine we are neighbors. And the entire time we talked in the thread it felt like I was under observation. Reads he made in game contradicted stuff he was saying in the neighborhood thread we had.

Me and him would make 6 pr claims.

[Formerfish]

If they have day talk he could have easily been coached.

Ninja- I am a town neighbor, he is in the neighborhood thread with me. I think he is scum.

[Formerfish]

Is chilly being this quiet in the neighbor thread?

This is like almost a role madness game.

Yeah pretty much.

[Formerfish]

Nieghbors can be town town, town scum, or scum scum. It is not AI.

Yeah I get that, it's our interactions in the thread and what he's done here that lead me to scum read him....

[Formerfish]

Yes. It would say for example "While you are alive you will enable all forms of investigation roles".
It's too convenient and it knocks the town out of PRs from 1 lucky night kill.

Yeah, like I was once the town encryptor enabler. As long as I was alive scum had day chat.

[Formerfish]

Fine we are neighbors. And the entire time we talked in the thread it felt like I was under observation. Reads he made in game contradicted stuff he was saying in the neighborhood thread we had.

Me and him would make 6 pr claims.

Interesting.

I don't understand what's scummy about the observation part. Scum thrive in neighborhoods and he might've been scared of being manipulated. Sorting you to the best he can privately is a reasonable town thing to do.

Do you honestly think he was trying to manipulate you? I'm struggling to see scum failing so miserably at keeping their story straight in thread and in a neighborhood.

I do think 2iam is still potential scum because of iffyness around enabler role

But I think there's better lynches.

@Uzi you seem entirely different to when ur normally town, in tone

I can see that I guess since we haven't played in a while.

I guess I feel it's more nuanced than that. I can go into more detail later but it has to do with what he was saying in both threads at certain points and those statements not matching up from one to the other. Reads he was talking about, and the way he was talking about them. After saying in NT that he saw me as solid town he throws shade in a post saying id be a good vote. I'd have to match more of it up for you guys to see the same thing I am.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Tchill


ALso to expand on my Uzi thing it's aso like a general gut read that you don't want to appear scumread, and you aren't really aggresive like I know you can be

Yeah and my aggression isn't required here because I have you and rb who do that better than I can.

I think this game's hyperactive state us exacerbating the relative inactivity of others

I don't think activity is gonna be a reliable tell in this game e.g. one of the people in that list actually posted just 7 hrs ago Vedith, which isn't that long really

Yeah but that person was Tchill who barely reacted when I started dropping more than hints about how I was feeling.

[Formerfish]

That he did. I just peeped his iso. He also went from voting Monkey for a "bad post" in #476 to voting with him in #529. Note: Monkey hadn't made a post in that time. That is pretty suspicious coupled with the hop off, but I didn't get as bad vibes from him as I did from 2mill in my read through with context. Ima stick with my main read for now, and you should help us force the claim at this point.

Did i clear this up for you yet?

Yeah it's fair. Thoughts on Monkey now?

Mostly seeing him as town.

[Formerfish]

Gone is the doe eyed newbie you all thought he was...

[Formerfish]

Dunning Kruger sucks i know

Savage.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Tchill

Not moving from here. Scum through and through.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Tchill

Not moving from here. Scum through and through.

i was actually really hoping that this day could have less Mulch spam and more of you and tchill just syncing in neighbourhood somehow, and we all have superhappyfuntimes lynching the scum

but if you put it that way

VOTE: tchill

I was hoping for that as well, Tchill was more of an obstructionist than anyone in Washington currently.

[Formerfish]

Spoiler:

I don't see any pro town reason for a neighbor to lurk. He's not a cop or a doctor or a super important role. The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's scum.

Vote: Tchill

You're justifying my mislynch already because I'm not a super important role? Lol townies do a lot of things that aren't pro town to lynch scum. You're main goal as town isn't to look pro towny it's to lynch scum. The only ones worried about looking pro towny are scum.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Mulch I'm not forgetting about you and I know you claimed JOAT but if me and formerfish are BOTH town, which I believe at the moment, then that makes 6 PR's right? I'm inclined to believe somebody is lying. If anyone is lying it's either mulch or twoinamillion. I would rather persue the mulch avenue but twoinamillion just wouldn't have that apparently.

VOTE: Tchill


ALso to expand on my Uzi thing it's aso like a general gut read that you don't want to appear scumread, and you aren't really aggresive like I know you can be

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

follow me!!!!

VOTE: Tchill

w/e lol

Well there it is. So at first I thought maybe mulch could be scum being aggressive with game replacement to blow up the thread with fluff. Then mulch does vote me AFTER formerfish reveals our neighborhood. Which sets up the next mislynch for the scum because that's exactly what mulch would persue after I flip town.

VOTE: mulch

*puts helmet on, prepares for blowback*

The first one is shit. He's trying to squeeze out my claim under the guise that he and Former are "power roles" which not only do not affect game balance I explicitly said do not effect game balance.

The second quote does not come from a town perspective. He has 100% trust in Formerfish being town, when he should have some doubt, and then fucking says I'm setting up mislynches because Formerfish outed their neighborhood? I don't even understand where that's coming from unless he's accusing me of going to lynch FORMERFISH when he theoretically flips town?

Yes, he said as much in the pt.

[Formerfish]

Stop all this bullshit. We lynch Tchill today. He's giving me no info and whatever use he was to me in the pt is finished. He refused to give me a reads list because I could be scum... His reads are all over the place between the two threads. He's avoiding me. Vote Tchill.

[Formerfish]

Why? Cause mulch is your suspect? Tchill was going to be the lynch yesterday but you fuck knuckles quick lynched a claimed enabler before that could happen. 2mil was the town counter to Tchill.

We lynch there first.

[Formerfish]

I considered saving Vedith but went for scumblock instead. When the enabler flipped tracker I thought Vedith was oddnight Watcher and didn't want to roleblock him.

Also figured I'd get roleblocked or something because scum definitely have PRs in this setup.

Why not say who you blocked?

[Formerfish]

Rb dosen't think I am scum and yet is still voting me

Who gives a shit. It's one fucking vote. Did you leave your big boys pants at home this game?

[Formerfish]

Rb dosen't think I am scum and yet is still voting me

Who gives a shit. It's one fucking vote. Did you leave your big boys pants at home this game?

It's bothering me lol

Do you think he is scum? No? Get over it. Yes? Push his lynch.

[Formerfish]

I am hand delivering scum today and you twats are quibbling about what?

[Formerfish]

I don't think he's scum

Then stop this. This is the shit that makes me not care about either of your alignments. Enough crazy thinking and I could see either of you as scum.

Stop it.

Ninja- of the claims I like his least right now.

Ninja 2- yeah, a bunch of bullshit. He basically shit the bed there.

[Formerfish]

Whatd he say

He acted like he was going to work with me, then got paranoid about my alignment, then said he'd work with me again, and then never followed through.

I was hoping to talk about our reads and be able to figure out where we were both coming from to sort him. I went as far to tell him explicitly that failure to do so would result in a death tunnel the likes he's never seen.

[Formerfish]

Why would scum ever kill someone hard town reading them? Why take an ally out for no reason this early?

[Formerfish]

Plus he was a fucking watcher claim it was obvious either he or me or RB was gonna be the nightkill why are you acting like this was a shocking revelation?

Why would a watcher be killed over a JOAT? I don't care if game replacement town read you. If you're scum that's exactly why you'd kill him (because you're not a town pr) and he was on top of the fact he town read you so you're gonna point that out.

If I was scum I'm 100% killing RB are you kidding me? Like near 100%, killing the protective claim AND The one that hates me?

I personally couldn't figure a spot where the JK isn't killed here. Unless scum is going for a frame job, but RB is going to have to die eventually anyways. He's more useful than you to us now.

[Formerfish]

Why would scum ever kill someone hard town reading them? Why take an ally out for no reason this early?

I know I'm commenting on my own post, but God I live and die for those town reads as scum. It's my goal as scum, as should everyone's.

[Formerfish]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72397

Check out this game tchill was typical scummy (which is his meta) but actually had a good thought process and made sense when they posted

It's even been different than the game we all just finished.

[Formerfish]

I'm also a very good scum player lol

And maybe you are here. I don't care as long as Tchill is too and you bus the fuck out of him.

[Formerfish]

I considered saving Vedith but went for scumblock instead. When the enabler flipped tracker I thought Vedith was oddnight Watcher and didn't want to roleblock him.

Also figured I'd get roleblocked or something because scum definitely have PRs in this setup.

Why not say who you blocked?

Not relevant when 3 scum alive. Doesn't mean anything yet

It would to me to see who you thought was 1. Scummy enough to Target, and 2. Who you thought would make the kill.

To scumhunt with that action you have to be pretty sure.

[Formerfish]

Also means that I know if that person lies about an action or not etc etc.

Ok, that's fair.

[Formerfish]

Tchill is unsurprisingly absent from our pt. Viva la neighborhood!

[Formerfish]

Yeah... I'd like some other opinions on if I flip town is formerfish still towny.

What the fuck is this shit?

[Formerfish]

Yeah... I'd like some other opinions on if I flip town is formerfish still towny.

What the fuck is this shit?

It's my defense to the death tunnel of which the likes I've never seen.

You're literally trying to poll people as to how Towny I will be viewed upon your death? That is just fucking beautiful man. Bravo.

[Formerfish]

Problem: formerfish's entire read is based on nothing verifiable. Every issue with tchill is something that we just have to trust is right. Not sure I trust fish's judgment that much.

Fish: i'll hammer tchill as soon as he gets to L-1

You hammer Mulch if he gets to L-1. Either lynch is fine with me

Forget about this post?

[Formerfish]

Mulch I want you to seriously consider the fact that you have more than 90 posts since this Day started about 120 minutes ago.

He's making good posts today. Stop trying to distract from the actual game.

[Formerfish]

Why are you telling my I'm making beautiful moves? This really is unlike a death tunnel I've ever seen.

You don't have much experience with sarcasm do ya boy? Why would you care about how I am going to be seen after your death?

[Formerfish]

One last note. I was willing to work with formerfish... Sorta kinda... Until he asked for ALL of my reads in FULL detail... Idk if that's normal or not... But that did NOT sound towny lol... Anyways I'll be back in a while.

How the fuck do we find common ground and allow me to gain a read on you if we don't talk about reads and reasons? Like for fucking real that should have been a wieght off your shoulders being able to spit ball all night on reads. Instead you clammed up.

So you die. Simple.

[Formerfish]

He's in the pt trying to get me to lunch you, then we can meld.

[Formerfish]

This fucking guy.

I know I ran a train on you last game, and I see where I went wrong with that one. This one has all kinds of right on it.

Ninja- that he will talk to me when I lead a successful lynch. Then he will talk further.

[Formerfish]

And that lynch should be you.

[Formerfish]

Sorry, taking some flack from RB slot on tscum.

[Formerfish]

11 pages in two hours, seriously?

Looks like y'all are already on tchill, so that's good. That was my big takeaway from Day 1.

People who are also probably town:
Danyboy (just played a scum game with him and he was very different)
Mulch
Formerfish

Other people who are more likely to be scum:
LUV
Narna
Flavor Leaf

How did you get flavor leaf as scum when they haven't posted?

He posted. Day 1. 4 times.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Also, I've confirmed prior to game start! Bold me in the player list!

what the heck. 14 pages already. Oi.

I miss 2 days...and we have 75 pages. Wtf even is life. Is it a shit show or worth reading up on? I'd skim if it's a shit show.

Guys, I can't catch up right now. It's too late. I'll try tomorrow. Can someone give me a rundown of what's happened?

Pretty scummy tbh.

[Formerfish]

Why didn't you commute Night 1?

Who as scum is killing mulch last night?

[Formerfish]

Mulch, why didn't you role cop a claimed role?

[Formerfish]

Right, or RB doesn't come up jk and you confirm scum.

[Formerfish]

Right, or RB doesn't come up jk and you confirm scum.

I mean if Rb is scum he's a scum jailkeeper 99% of the time lol

Jailkeep and doctor seem to be fairly widely used fake claims for scum. It explains any action they may be seen doing, and keeps them alive. He could be a scum jk, yeah, but why not test a claim? Uzi is right about questioning your handling of that reveal. You gained nothing from the kernel of info you had.

[Formerfish]

This is partially why I wanted a massclaim yesterday so I could pick and choose which one to check and hopefully get a guilty

You had 6 people fucking claim man. You had 4 choices going into the night phase.

[Formerfish]

I mean honestly, it's a bit of both. Policy and the fact you have a good chance of being scum.

Also multiple one-liners in the span of 5 mins is not helping your case any right now. I don't even know the case against the leading wagon atm and it's because you're basically a distraction from everything. Give people a moment to post without you adding your 2 cents every damn minute man.

Iso me for Tchill.

[Formerfish]

Right now I just don't give a shit if you are scum. You need to better organize your thoughts. Think about it a bit and make ONE post with multiple points in it... not multiple posts containing a halfassed point.

I'm going to make a collage out of posts pointed at mulch for posting to much. Stop fucking addressing him if you don't want him to post. Stop talking abiut how much he posts unless you are saying he is scum for it. Fuck. You guys are half of mulchs fucking problem. Bunch of fucking enablers.

[Formerfish]

Comm why not engage me or iso me like I told you to so you could find out why Tchill is scum.

[Formerfish]

yeah sorry fuck this game ily giga but not this game

replace out, dead thread access desired

NO TRANSCEND. STAY. We can make this game rock as long as you're not scum this time.

Also I do see rb claimed, I am JailKeeper. That isn't a secret I guess. Did he claim who he used it on N1?

Also I am still working on that ISO. I'm looking for the precise reason he's being scumread. Haven't found it yet, will update when I do.

He did, but why don't you post that in your next post so we know if you're on the up and up.

[Formerfish]

Read my iso from most current to the beginning of today.

Uzi. I'm not saying mulch is hard town here. I just know Tchill is scum here. 100%.

All the games I let other people run me. This isn't the one. Tchill is today's lynch.

[Formerfish]

How often do I really dig into a lynch like this? Almost fucking never. Why? Usually because I don't have the nuts. This is as close as I've ever come to having the nuts. I can not walk away or table Tchill here. Can not. Not after how yesterday ended. And definitely not after his inactions in the pt.

[Formerfish]

I don't think tchill is scum though Fish.

You are just going to have to trust me. I know he is. You aren't in that thread with him. He is not acting town at all. He should be salivating to talk to me as a fucking mason, but he's not.

[Formerfish]

RB said he jailed leaf...

[Formerfish]

Said it made sense to him if leaf was scum that he'd do the kill after only making 4 posts day 1.

[Formerfish]

How do you feel about lynch all liars?

[Formerfish]

I need you all to think about why I asked about mod meta earlier.

Mulch's roles are extremely unlikely for a town JOAT.

Which is why we table this for now and go after Tchill. Mulch we can sort later. If he is town he can help. If he isn't we will figure that out before he can do irreparable harm.

[Formerfish]

Uzi, what do we lose by letting him live another day?

[Formerfish]

Make no mistake, Mulch gets hanged tomorrow

.

How are you reaching this conclusion without reading the game? third time

Valid question, also I want to remember to look back at who defended him on not reading upon entrance. I may be stoned. So this is you actually reminding yourself to look that up man.

Ninja- what asset?

[Formerfish]

Uzi, what do we lose by letting him live another day?

Another asset to the town.

If lynch today is mulch or Tchill we lose nothing by keeping mulch over Tchill. Even if Tchill ends up town what the fuck has he done this game? We can still lynch mulch after he doesn't die at night (but still, kill should be the jk) tomorrow and we are still in the same position. I think we are going to hit scum with Tchill, then what man?

[Formerfish]

Follower should be that you watch someone as they go somewhere. Like if I visited Tchill you would see that.

[Formerfish]

Oh fuck. I think I just got it Uzi.

[Formerfish]

And if he claims tracker? Since we had an enabler, but no primary yet.

[Formerfish]

Why the fuck is that role everywhere now? 3rd fucking game I've seen it in in a row.

[Formerfish]

Uzi, explain the scum motivation for mulch to claim role cop on you and out it the way he did.

[Formerfish]

Sounds like a plan to me... so Uzi, Vanilla or not?

Pedit: VOTE: Mulch

I'm a Neapolitan.

Lynch Mulch please.

Neo can see vanilla right?

[Formerfish]

Well if he is a cop like role why didn't he out his target from last night?

[Formerfish]

Mulch. I need you to pipe down for a little bit ok. Let me talk to uzi here.

[Formerfish]

Let me talk to him. All you are doing now is raging to the person who believes you at this point.

[Formerfish]

Given my play this game, it's not farfectched for him to post that in hopes to go back to it incase his desired mislynch fails. Explain the town motivation? Why out that I'm not a PR?

Why would anyone think you are after we all claimed day 1?

[Formerfish]

Uzi, what exactly is your role. This is a new one for me. I guess it popped up to fashion during my break from the game.

[Formerfish]

Show the crumb. Why wouldn't you include that in your post man, like we aren't going to ask for it.

[Formerfish]

Ok. So who the fuck did you check last night numbnuts?

[Formerfish]

So you copped tic, and what happened?

[Formerfish]

Ok. So who the fuck did you check last night numbnuts?

Mulch

Missed this. So you checked him and he came up as what? Vanilla I'm assuming?

[Formerfish]

So a town lower role would check out just like scum? If you aren't a by you don't get confirmed?

[Formerfish]

So you copped tic, and what happened?

I copped Mulch..

Say what you actual result was. Stop making me pull teeth here Uzi. You are a vet andknow how to out a result correctly.

[Formerfish]

Why would I not confirm if someone indeed a power role or not? I'm not an alignment cop.

But he claimed a pr and he showed up tp you as not a vt. So how does that

make

him scum?

[Formerfish]

Mulch, you were responsible for the majority of people claiming. I'm not sure why would I not check you?

Because all you could hope to get him is ina lie as a vt. If he is a pr he would not be confirmed to you by your check.

[Formerfish]

What I'm not getting is if someone was the result of two people claiming and then later claimed a PR, why would I not try to confirm that?

Because all you could confirm is that he lied about being a pr, and was actually vt. Did he come back as vt to you uzi. Very simple question.

[Formerfish]

Stop reapeating the same incorrect bullshit uzi.

[Formerfish]

Did Mulch come back as a vt to you?

[Formerfish]

Uzi, answer the fucking question. Did mulch come back as a vt to you when you checked him. Yes or fucking no?

[Formerfish]

Mulch, shut the fuck up. I am hanfdling thins and you are getting in my fucking way.

[Formerfish]

No he did not.

That's why I asked the mod meta question and tried to bring attention to a point rb made earlier about his roles not likely to be one of a Town JOAT.

If he claimed a pr, then all you would have been able to do was catch him in a lie as a vt. If he is a pr your check on him was going to fail. You see that right. As a pr he is going to check out to you the same way as scum would. It was a bad choice. You should have looked at an uncliamed person.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Uzi

You fucked up man.

[Formerfish]

No he did not.

That's why I asked the mod meta question and tried to bring attention to a point rb made earlier about his roles not likely to be one of a Town JOAT.

If he claimed a pr, then all you would have been able to do was catch him in a lie as a vt. If he is a pr your check on him was going to fail. You see that right. As a pr he is going to check out to you the same way as scum would. It was a bad choice. You should have looked at an uncliamed person.

Why?

My role only is effective on actual claims. None of the lurkers or Transcend were going to get ran up today and I didn't have a scum read on any of the other active players going into N1.

You see vts. We all claimed. We wont be vts to you. You wont know if we are prs of scum. You should have checked someone unclaimed and most liekly to be a vt so we could have confirmed town. You made a suboptimal selection for your fake claim. It was just bad man.

[Formerfish]

@Former, can we still lynch Mulch tomorrow for not shutting up when I was wanting to know the answer to your questions as well.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Doesnt matter, tomorrow we get tchill or mulch. I got the answers I wanted and made my point.

[Formerfish]

And why would I gamble as scum in that scenario when I can just sheep and help mislynch tchill?

It doesnt matter tchill isnt town.

[Formerfish]

Im going after tchill tomorrow, I already wispered sweet nothings to him in our pt.

[Formerfish]

No we did not all claim? What the fuck?

Uzi, you are not a dense person. You are acting badly right now and its very evident. You either want us to believe that you have no fucking clue how your role works, or you want us to believe it did something that it did not.

[Formerfish]

I feel so elated right now

My juices are flowing man.

[Formerfish]

Fish, why does town Mulch claims to have had scum reads on Dany and tchill and believes they're better lynch candidates but checks me?

What did you get from checking to see if a claimed pr was a vt?

[Formerfish]

And mulch, your role let you check to see if someone was vanilla right, of either alignment? Tchill is a nieghbor, hes not going to show up as vanilla, and fuck maybe he thought danny was a pr as well, who wouldnt show up as a vanilla player either.

[Formerfish]

No I want you to realize that I thought checking Mulch was correct because of how he was responsible for two people claiming.

What did you expect to figure out? That he wasnt a vt?

[Formerfish]

Whether if he was gambiting or an actual PR.

And you found out hes a pr, or scum. So you vote him on the idea that hes scum and not the pr he claimed to be with a vanilla result on you, from the role cop he has as the town joat.

[Formerfish]

Because you are not a pr and tchill is scum.

[Formerfish]

Because if you are a pr then you are fucking stupid. You arent stupid uzi. This was a bad claim and you got caught. So tchill is scum right?

[Formerfish]

Giggy, you are doing one hell of a job, I apologize for my part in running this game up the way we have been.

[Formerfish]

And this makes tchills push on mulch look even worse.

If i were town yeah, I did that last game. You arent town here bro. And if you are, sorry, shit is just a numbers game to me at this point. You have the highest likelihood to me to flip scum between you two.

[Formerfish]

How is stupid when I know I'm a PR and he claims he is one and says he checked me and that I'm not?!

Because you do not learn anything from checking him. And you didnt know he was going to say anything about you until today, after when you needed to have made your action known to the mod overnight. See the disconnect here?

[Formerfish]

How is stupid when I know I'm a PR and he claims he is one and says he checked me and that I'm not?!

Because you do not learn anything from checking him. And you didnt know he was going to say anything about you until today, after when you needed to have made your action known to the mod overnight. See the disconnect here?

I mean this is it man, this is the last nail. You are done here. Done. You will hang.

[Formerfish]

Uzi, you arent fooling anyone. Its over. There is no going back from this. You will hang, if youre somehow town, we look at mulch tomorrow. You have to know how this goes. Take it gracefully or do what i did when I reached this point as town, self vote and take yourself out of the equation.

[Formerfish]

Now think if Mulch had not for whatever reason outted his result. None of the would've happened and I'll still be laying low hoping to clear someone or catch someone lying.

You should have used your role to clear someone and then wait for them to be pushed. Like leaf, you should have checked him and then waited for the inevitable lynch the lurker conversation.

[Formerfish]

You wasted your action on a claimed pr and found out that they werent lying, or maybe they werre, who knows because all you can see is vts and they arent one of theose.

[Formerfish]

Its a bad play man and unfortunatley your alignment no longer matters. Now you are a piece on an equation, and you are on the losing end of that equation.

[Formerfish]

Our objective is to find scum. Yeah the chance of confirming town is nice but this is a mini. I'm not guarantee to live through the night. If I can catch one of the most active players in either a lie or put him in a box, why not?

Confirming town limits the available scum pool, Where the fuck did you learn how to play where they didnt teach you the importance of having a limited pool of options. Its is literfuckinfly how we won our last game by having confirmed people. You fucking helped with that as an actual neo who used his role to help town.

[Formerfish]

No because this is stupid.

You're just voting me because you didn't like how I used my role. I've asked you to explain why I go how about I went through this as scum a couple of times now and you either can't or won't tell me why.

Im voting you because I dont believe you.

[Formerfish]

Leaf was never going to get pushed and us most likely going to be replaced.

He is unimporatnt specifically. He was an example of somoene you could have gotten a confirmation out of.