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[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

why is me not voting scummy?

[Robbnva]

you don't even make sense

[Robbnva]

But you didn't rvs so when you don't rvs you need to make sense.

[Robbnva]

You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.

[Robbnva]

@korts - I am not being deliberately obtuse. some would just say i am obtuse naturally.

@nancy - I don't have anything to add atm so I am confused as to why you are waiting for me.

@ human - there won't be any squabbling from me

[Robbnva]

Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?

Well I don't consider it an rvs vote. I just never understand why people vote me for saying "sup", because this isn't the first time it's happened. Getting people to explain what their issue is I feel helps me better understand them. Right now I don't like percy's response and the old me would probably go into a death tunnel, but with limited posts and lack of cares right now I'm not going to dwell on it.

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

that isn't a good reason to give a town read imo. The best way to seem genuine, is to actually be genuine. You can totally be genuine as scum

[Robbnva]

I didn't argue anything actually. I asked you a simple question.

You chose to use something game related to vote me, asking you to explain your vote is perfectly acceptable response.

you claim it was rvs, but according to my definition of rvs, it wasn't.

Also I don't really buy the whole "see if his reaction would be useful" because you have to have a familiarity with me to know how I would react as town and scum, and you don't.

my apologies for calling you he, I have issues with pronouns all the time. I will try not to make that mistake again.

There hasn't been enough from you to determine if you are scum or town yet, so I won't put you at L-1 but you are definitely on my radar. Let's see if your play improves.

[Robbnva]

such an odd vote switch especially for such a terrible reason. for somebody who is "all for an early wagon" you sure hopped off pretty quickly.

so i'll take your spot since she isn't at l-2 anymore


VOTE: PS

[Robbnva]

Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

coming from the guy who was just helping the wagon along...

why did you join it if you thought the reason for it was stupid?

[Robbnva]

if you say so

I feel better about my vote the more you post

[Robbnva]

Why did you ignore my question tchill?

[Robbnva]

I don't buy that really. Plus Perse has twice misrepresented what happened. In one post she says I argued with her which I didn't. She also said I was defensive which I wasn't.

I feel like you knew she was digging herself in a hole and you wanted to get off before the wagon got serious.

You and massive joined suspiciously and hopped off suspiciously as well. Ideally I'd love the scum team to be the 3 of you but I'm not that lucky.

That said I won't object to a lynch from the 3 of you.

[Robbnva]

Behold, Robbnva arguing with me and being defensive. Shall we argue about the definitions of words some more?

Asking you a question is neither arguing or being defensive. So yes let's argue about that cause you clearly have no clue what it means.

Spoiler:

Definition of defensive
1
: serving to defend or protect defensive fortifications
2
a : devoted to resisting or preventing aggression or attack defensive behavior He became defensive when I brought up his spending habits.
b sports : of or relating to the attempt to keep an opponent from scoring in a game or contest a player with good defensive skills made a brilliant defensive play
3
card games
a : valuable in defensive play a defensive card in bridge
b : designed to keep an opponent from being the highest bidder a defensive bid

This is an example of somebody being defensive

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

Let's hang this scum please.

[Robbnva]

who is dumb enough to scum read Korts?

Why would scum reading him be dumb?

[Robbnva]

I was reminded that Robb's original reason for voting Persephone was pretty bad

That wasn't why you voted me.... Why did you change now? btw, my reason for my vote wasn't bad at all actually.

I do find it highly suspicious that you are criticizing my reasons, when all of your votes this game have actually been for terrible reasons. I do not see this kind of play coming from town. I hate pre-flip associations, but i am feeling confident that you and PS are probably scum together.

your "I am all for an early wagon" was clearly garbage since you removed your vote 6 posts later and your follow up vote was a chainsaw vote. Now you vote somebody else because they are questioning you.

Also to answer your question about condescending being alignment indicative, YOU were the one who implied it was AI when you gave that for your reason for voting me, you know, before you backpedaled and changed your reasons later.


I'd strongly prefer a PS or a massive lynch today, hope others see just how scummy they actually are.

[Robbnva]

well I have only 1 vote and it is in use atm. don't worry you will get lynched eventually. Now if I am wrong about you and you are town, do better please cause I hate mislynching bad players who look like scum

[Robbnva]

That's hilarious. You just said that "asking a question is not argueing or being defensive and that quoted me asking a question and quoted it as definition of defensive. Both of us were asking defensive questions. This is clear from context; there is no regular expression algorithm to prove it mechanically. This the last time I will engage with you on this. Other people will draw their own conclusions.

There is a HUGE difference between our questions...

my question was trying to better understand what was going on in your mind, you voted and implied that me not voting was scummy and I wanted to know why.

your "Dude it's rvs, why are you expecting me to make sense"

1. the "dude it's rvs" alone is an defensive reaction, to me it reads like "Dude back off"
2. "why are you expecting me to make sense" isn't really a legitimate question and more of a rhetorical one, because you are expected to make sense when explaining your votes.

but here let me answer it for you.

I am expecting you to make sense because you were the first to person to use a "in game" reason to vote somebody, which implies to me that 1. it wasn't RVS and 2. you were suspicious of me for not RVS voting. When asked to explain your thought process, you should be able to explain it in a way that makes sense to me and others. You didn't and imo i don't think you have.

[Robbnva]

Having caught the king of scum RC on page 1 before. There is no such thing as looking into anything too much. Even a shaky attempt at "rvs" is fair game

[Robbnva]

Because the amount he's insisting that my blatantly RVS vote was "game relevant" is really really weird to me.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784

Posts 12 and 22.

Sound familiar? Random is random. Using something somebody says in the game is specific.

Call me stubborn or hard headed but that's the true definition of rvs and has always been for the 10+ years I've played.

[Robbnva]

And I hate when players feel like they can call other players "bad."

If you are town your play definitely is. Your votes have come with no good reasoning at all (condescending and not liking my reasons neither of which are reasons to vote someone ever let alone remotely AI), the one attempt to look town you balked and unvoted a meet 6 posts later.(hoping off before he has time to even feel the pressure and adequate respond to the people voting him) You try to discredit me by saying my reason for my vote on PS was bad or whatever but it really wasn't. He used a very game specific reason to vote me. I asked him to explain it and he backpedaled and brushed it off as "rvs".

I assume you wanting me to vote you means he's probably the pr and you the goon. That makes sense. Play scummier to distract from the more powerful partner who's under more heat.

Nah. We can lynch PS first

[Robbnva]

The example wasn't to compare to what ps was doing. It's to show my definition of rvs is unchanged.

[Robbnva]

You aren't reading the game closely. It's not just the vote. It's the reaction to me ask him about it. It's how he tried to play it off as rvs which somehow means he's absolved from answering the question. It's how he tried to take town credit for getting the game out of rvs. Its how he's falsely accusing me of things and somehow thinks my question is remotely close to his question. It's the lack of substance/scum hunting he's done.

Like I've said all this already. It's not just his vote...

[Robbnva]

@ps. You won't be the first to be mad at me, and certainly won't be the last.

@diamond. You clearly aren't reading my posts cause I've stated that I'm most suspicious of massive and tchill. I even think massive is trying to scum it up on purpose to protect ps.

[Robbnva]

I should vote Nancy for not letting me play her game

[Robbnva]

It wasn't rvs...

[Robbnva]

Not to mention that's like the dumbest reason to vote somebody

[Robbnva]

You aren't reading the game closely. It's not just the vote. It's the reaction to me ask him about it. It's how he tried to play it off as rvs which somehow means he's absolved from answering the question. It's how he tried to take town credit for getting the game out of rvs. Its how he's falsely accusing me of things and somehow thinks my question is remotely close to his question. It's the lack of substance/scum hunting he's done.

Like I've said all this already. It's not just his vote...

Like it's a collection of things why I scum read Ps. Anyone who still says it's about rvs isn't reading the game.

Now you can disagree with my reasons, but these are why ps is scum to me.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Robb for blowing up RVS into a much more important matter than it deserves.

Do you have any thoughts on the rest of the game so far?

I'm fairly certain at least two of TChill, ginngie, monkey, and Kaboose are scum, because they all have different scummy habits I saw people pointing out while rereading. The trick is figuring out which is which.

So why aren't you voting who you think is scum? What do you hope to accomplish by voting me for something you clearly know nothing about?

[Robbnva]

Robb also sounds like scum because he lied in 144, saying that he'd already brought up half his arguments against Persephone when he had until that point never brought up the town cred Persephone claimed for taking the game out of RVS or the attempt to just play it off as RVS. He's also using a definition of RVS that literally nobody else on this site uses, and all his arguments until 100 or so centered wholly around RVS to try and justify a lynch. To be honest, until I looked at his join date right now, I legit thought this was his first game on this site and he was trying what could have worked on another site to get a townie lynched.

I didn't lie thanks. I did however make a mistake. Earlier I was typing a post where I mentioned the town cred thing but during the middle of it my boss called me away and when I came back I lost my train of thought and never finished my post. The definition of rvs being different is yet another stupid reason to vote me. I don't care if people don't use the same definition as me, that is how I define it.

I'll add you to the potential scum list also cause you aren't really looking for scum or motives. You are voting me for non AI things when you have legitimate scum reads

[Robbnva]

Oh and I don't like how you just nitpick one thing and say "oh he lied". My posts clearly point to me thinking he is scum for more that his rvs vote. His rvs vote isn't why I scum read him and never was. You are deliberately twisting the facts to justify a shitty vote.

[Robbnva]

Alright... Why am I the best lynch? Give me some questions I can answer. Anybody. I'll do my best to answer sufficiently.

You aren't scum hunting or trying to progress the game. You have a terrible voting history. You seem too nervous. You definitely seem to care what others think of you too much (like why ask this question? Either defend yourself from the people voting you or move on)

If I wasn't dead set on lynching ps, I'd be voting you also

[Robbnva]

it is ironic that Robb first said he would not death tunnel on PS, and then totally did just that.

Yes my plan wasn't to death tunnel but when a player blatantly lies about me I can't help but want them dead.

The bragging about RC wasn't meant to be bragging, it's more of the point that people want to excuse people's early posts in rvs because it's rvs and it is possible to trip somebody up and catch them.

I can't remember who said it here but somebody described ps in a way that i completely agrees with. She wanted to look like she was participating in rvs by trying to come up with a reason. It looked awkward and unnatural to me. Then to balk at my question and basically say "dude it's rvs" she completely negates everything. It's not a reaction I really see coming from town. I could see a n00b scum reacting like that though.

Aside from that. Now she's just in full omgus mode. Voting me for voting her. I don't see her really attempting to scum hunt or sort other people. It's clear my suspicion of her is genuine so she can't (and nobody can) really think I'm scum here. She's done legitimately scummy things and needs rope imo.

[Robbnva]

so who are you scum reading and why? Your first 2 votes had no attempt at scum hunting and your last vote was to pressure someone who you felt wasn't posting enough. I feel like at this point you should have more substance if you are town

[Robbnva]

Like, I'm such an easy ML push right now!

Tchill loses whatever townread I didn't have for him.

well you aren't really playing like town right now so can't really blame anyone for scum reading you. Can you please post some content?

[Robbnva]

My play hasn't been scum me though

I agree about the next comment about tchill. He is definitely going after easy targets.

[Robbnva]

I'm holding out hope wasting my posts but I'll vote tchill if a ps wagon doesn't form soon.

[Robbnva]

Now I feel like shit

[Robbnva]

as I said earlier, I have been voted before for saying "sup" so for me that's par for the course. The fact that she didn't respond in an acceptable way made me suspicious of her. I was truly interested in seeing her react to the wagon on her but it dissolved way too quickly.

I will abandon my tunnel for now but I am not giving that slot a town read based on the replace out, so whoever comes in has to really impress me to change my read.

VOTE: massive

[Robbnva]

I can also guarantee that. Still like that slot for scum.

[Robbnva]

I'm not voting you now but I definitely don't know you are town. I don't even think you are

[Robbnva]

How do your know he's joking?

I'm not joking. I can say with 100% confidence there is no godfather in this game.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: eddie
tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, tried to give you time to convince me I was wrong about your slot.

time's up

[Robbnva]

Well I'm not scum but you know that already

[Robbnva]

I don't really care who you vote for. My vote isn't coming off you until your lynched. I'll leave it there for the entire game if i have to.

[Robbnva]

I voted you before you started playing. You were too late. Sorry scum. If you aren't scum, sorry you decided to play like shit for some reason.

I'm not bullying you and I wasn't bullying your predecessor. I scum read your predecessor for legitimate reasons. You come in and think you can troll your suspicion away. Sorry that shit doesn't work on me.

Have a nice life

[Robbnva]

I didn't lie. I gave you a chance. I unvoted your slot. Voted massive instead. You made 9 useless posts.

That was your chance and you blew it.

Not wasting any more posts arguing with my scum read.

bye Felicia.

P.s.

@mod I'll basically be in the woods of WVA Friday & Saturday doing a Ragnar and Sunday probably in a coma so v/la this weekend

P.s.s - you've played like shit. Suck it trebek

[Robbnva]

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

unless you are

this post is hilarious.

[Robbnva]

Maybe I'm misreading some things but I've looked over ALL of tchill's games and he's only been mislynched once. The rest he was scum, killed, or survived.

If Eddie cane or even tchill wants to provide links to the msynches that happen "a lot" that would be swell. Otherwise that's yet another mistake Eddie has made.

[Robbnva]

I don't think I ever claimed I was mislynched "a lot"

No you didn't but he did. He said he's played with you under some alt.

Have you been mislynched a lot on here?

[Robbnva]

Robbvna you said you read all my games and I was only mislynched once. From my recollection that's correct.

so what do you make of Eddie basically saying the exact opposite?

He clearly made it seem that you are mislynchbait.

[Robbnva]

@Robbnva I don't think Assembler is scumreading you for having a different definition of RVS; I could understand where you were coming from with your push on Persephone for the most part even if I didn't really agree with it; don't think that it's unreasonable to see that as you pushing for a lynch off pretty much nothing when your read on Persephone at that point seemed to be based on a misunderstanding of her content. Maybe you don't think that's the case but even if Persephone was justifying herself after the fact and behaving a little awkward overall I'm not sure why that means she should just be lynched; I agree that RVS reads are legitimate and Persephone was legitimately scummy but I don't think that your approach there has been particularly reasonable overall; I don't think that her OMGUS was scummy in any special way; I disagree that she hadn't been attempting to scumhunt or sort people - I think she was pretty clearly doing so? I'm a little worried you haven't really reevaluated on the replacement and I don't strongly get the sense that you really intended to in any meaningful way - 220 felt pretty genuine but you seem to have abanonded that take pretty summarily. Tchill isn't OMGUSing you - how does that affect your read there? Why are you scumreading massive?

Assembler definitely included my definition of rvs in his reasons for scum reading me.

I disagree with you regarding the whole PS thing, and tbh I don't really care what you consider reasonable. People tell me all the time I am not a reasonable person, but I can't really help what i find scummy and I found PS's play scummy and Eddie has continued to play scummy so I am fairly certain it is a scum flip coming. If i'm wrong, at least we cut some dead weight.

I don't think I ever said tchill was omgusing me.

post 120 is a good explanation on why I think massive is scum. Additionally, I don't really see town motivations in any of his posts.

[Robbnva]

Robbnva: Some day you're going to have to vote me for more than a weekend or this shade you throw at me just isn't gonna stick

once Eddie is lynched, you will be next

[Robbnva]

It was absolute rubbish and more than one person has told you it was. But you have a consistency problem here; either both of us are scummy for voting for rubbish reasons, or neither of us are. You can't have your "this is AI for only one of us" and eat it too.

my reason for voting PS wasn't rubbish, and it's why i am still pushing the issue. You disagree with that, fine but my reasons have actual substance. your didn't. don't try and compare my vote with your crappy votes, cause they are not similar at all.

Of course it was garbage. You do garbage things in RVS to get the game moving. Calling the vote on you "chainsaw" is a poor attempt to downplay any validity (since chainsaw is based on intent to defend Persephone and I don't think you could really paint that picture in detail) and you misrepresent the third, which wasn't because Kaboose was asking me questions but because he wasn't following up on them or being influenced by answers to those questions that were already in the thread when he asked them. He was asking questions just to appear to be asking questions and trying to legitimize his vote. You'll maybe notice he never came back to them, even after this was pointed out to him.

No, townies should not do garbage things to get the game moving.
your vote on my was chainsaw
I don't think that was what korts was doing at all personally so agree to disagree yet again

I will always happily vote for someone being a jackass or just plain unnecessarily mean. I don't want to play with those people. There needs to be consequences for them treating people like shit

I don't really think you can say that was what I was doing. I was treating my scum read like scum. I am not going to be nice and friendly with my scum read.

[Robbnva]

I am quite certain that TChill is a scum team's dream opportunity for a mislynch.

if you believe this, who is the scum pushing him?

I am kind of starting to feel this way also but still not 100% ruling out that tchill isn't scum

[Robbnva]

Also I'm pretty sure I told everyone about me being IC day 3 or no?

you said something once about it but I didn't take it seriously.

[Robbnva]

Nobody cares about your robb vote

[Robbnva]

How can you say I haven't tried to sort you? I did try to sort you actually. You posted useless garbage trolling posts and after so many I had enough and was reassured my read on your slot was right.

I don't need to interact with you to know your predecessor was scum and you replaced into a scum slot.
I already attempted to convince people. They have disagreed with me. Doesn't mean I give up. Im fine parking my vote on you til town finally sees what I see.
I don't care if you area leading wagon or not. You are my top scum read and you need death.

I won't ever flip red but you know that since you are the one who's red.


You have done nothing useful since replacing in except omgus me and you have the nerve to say I'm scum when I've provided the most reasons out of any vote in this game. Get hung or piss off. Cause you are scum or a scummy player. Your predecessor was scummy also.

Go ahead and try and lynch me. I don't give a shit. I'll flip town and maybe town will listen to me at that point

[Robbnva]

Spoiler:

I MADE THAT BOTCH FAMOUSSSS

does anybody believe I'm not town aligned

let me make something clear

I'm probably town

if it makes you feel better I'll guarantee I'm not a godfather

robb if you're scum you're gonna want to unvote me, because if you're town you know I'm town

yes you do

now unvote me

lol

I'm Eddie Cane

am I

I'll read the thread tomorrow or tonight

you aren't lynching me ginger ninjer

Town trying to find scum doesn't make these series of posts. Especially 228/231

Those 2 posts alone make me want you dead.

[Robbnva]

I don't use meta so take your meta defense. Shine it up real nice. Turn that somebitch sideways and stick it straight up
Your roody poo candy ass

[Robbnva]

Town will have to decide at some point to lynch one of us. I'm so sure you are scum I'm not willing to move my vote until I know for sure.

[Robbnva]

Btw voting my top scum read is and always will be protown. Don't ever say I'm not being protown when I absolutely am.

The goal of the game is to find and lynch scum. That's what I'm trying to do.

That is however nothing like what you are doing. You omgus me after you say your predecessor could be scum

[Robbnva]

Vote Eddie and I'll stop

[Robbnva]

@eddie. You pulled a "town would not do that" line on me earlier.

Town would not shit post either so yeah...

@korts. That convincing thing is a 2 way street. Nobody is doing a good job of convincing people of anything right now. The biggest wagon is still tchill and it's stalled and I even now doubt my read on him.

So don't criticize me for not convincing people when you aren't either. I've put out the best reasons out of anyone yet cause it stemmed during rvs people want to dismiss them. It's bullshit

[Robbnva]

Town would not shit post either so yeah...

This is blatantly false, even in my limited experience so far.

Well so is his nonsense about town not doing what I'm doing.

[Robbnva]

I have no idea why, but I'm beginning to believe Robb. O_o

Wish this sir had this

You should believe me though. I'm being completely honest. If at the end of the day I'm wrong, I'll take that hit but I genuinely find ps's actions scummy and Eddie hasn't done anything remotely town looking.

Eddie can say whatever he wants to discredit me but he doesn't know me. He's saying my playstle makes me scum. That's flawed logic and that's all he has to hang his hat on. My play style may be scummy to some people but it doesn't make me scum.

[Robbnva]

Nancy's post to Eddie was p.good.

I also agree with this about gingy

Literally impossible to get a read on you when you barely talk about your reads at all and your pushes are always phenomenally bad.

[Robbnva]

I am not saying your playstyle makes you scum...? when have I even mentioned your playstyle?

You don't have to actually say the word playstyle to be voting me for it...

[Robbnva]

My v/la can't come soon enough. People town reading the scummiest person in the game is just too much. I honestly don't know what else to do.

[Robbnva]

I just don't like people saying I'm not doing a good job convincing others when nobody has even attempted to convince me. I'm also not interested in tchill anymore.

Eddie/massive and idk who is my 3rd. Maybe black or korts but idk. Monkey doesn't impress me either but my gut says he's town for now and idk what my gut is even using to decide that.

I just can't see past Eddie rn so maybe this game break will help. But if he isn't lynched and we lynch a townie I'm gonna be pissed.

[Robbnva]

UNVOTE:

going to enjoy my v/la weekend and reassess if I should even be playing mafia anymore since everyone thinks I am such a shitty player.

[Robbnva]

I posted the same message in all my games, I am a very emotional person and who has battled with some issues in the past. Just had a game end and after reading the dead thread it has left me depressed. Mainly cause it is the same shit I have heard for 7 years now. It sucks to play a game you love but everyone tells you that you suck at it.

a bit dramatic? maybe but that's how I feel right now.

every game is the same shit. i can't help who I scum read. That doesn't make me a shit player imo but clearly a lot of people disagree

[Robbnva]

I wish those kinds of conversations would happen every game

[Robbnva]

that's probably my fault Sunlit. That seems to be a common occurrence in games where I am the aggressor.

[Robbnva]

How are they partners? Nobody even agrees Eddie is scum so if you think he's scum maybe you can convince people to listen

[Robbnva]

i don't leave until tomorrow morning at 5 am so probably can see what you have to say. Though if it is a post explaining why they aren't scum i'll be honest and probably not put much weight in it. I don't think anything can change my read of that slot

[Robbnva]

so I am using ate in all of the games I am playing? gtfoh

[Robbnva]

don't really care. if people are going to low blow discredit me and say i am using this as a strategy they can piss off and the mod can replace me.

[Robbnva]

@ eddie - please don't give me advice on how to play

@sunlit - the responses to my "sup" have been from both town and scum. It's non AI.

can't really use it as a reaction test either for reasons too complicated to explain, and shocker reasons that people don't agree with me on.

[Robbnva]

I death tunnel in my scum games also. Go look up Jake from State Farm also.

That's why meta sucks. I play the same as either alignment

[Robbnva]

I need to go back and re-read that last weekend.

yeah me too. I have no idea what happened while I was away

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Eddie cane

I don't even need to read anything to know that's a good vote

VOTE: eddie

[Robbnva]

I will but voting eddie this game is never a horrible vote.

[Robbnva]

I'm not. I legitimately scum read them.

[Robbnva]

Robb you should probably start reading because that's a horrible vote

Tell me why it's a horrible vote and who we should be lynching instead.

You only get one shot. Make it count.

[Robbnva]

v/la for about 10 days.should be able to check in daily though, just won't be hyper active

[Robbnva]

I'm also a town PR \o/

On now you are a pr? Changing your claim?

[Robbnva]

Is anyone town reading korts?

[Robbnva]

I'm completely lost this game. Idk who I want to lynch outside of Eddie which doesn't seem likely.

[Robbnva]

Tchill probably

[Robbnva]

Korts feels like scum to me but can't really put it into words.

Eddie/korts/massive but so many others also. I really can't get into this game. Need a scum flip

[Robbnva]

Robb doubles down on his bullshit logic in 45,

Gtfoh with this bullshit logic nonsense.

[Robbnva]

So you can be scum also cause nothing bs with that post or my logic.

[Robbnva]

So you can be scum also cause nothing bs with that post or my logic.

I will be happy to show that it is.

that would be pointless cause my logic > your explanation

Korts feels like scum to me but can't really put it into words.

Eddie/korts/massive but so many others also. I really can't get into this game. Need a scum flip

Did you ever go back to read what others town reading have said about Eddie?

He is prob town, and you playing towards a personal ideal isn't going to change that.

I have seen literally nothing from him or his predecessor that looks town to me. I can only scumhunt based on my own ideals. My ideals are ones that I really wish more people had.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: tchill

haven't read the rest of the game. if you're town, not shooting him was an objective misplay. we had a free idler kill thst woyld also confirm you and you didjt shoot. i don't believe you are town.

This is a scum post. Vig should probably not shoot night 1 and he's attacking him for not shooting. He changes his stance later but that's probably cause a wagon wasn't happening.

[Robbnva]

I like how Gamma Emerald went in. It's a town entrance. Instead of coming in with an obvious agenda, he took time to read through the thread and move on from there. Definitely town.

meh, that's easy to do as scum. I certainly have done it as scum before

[Robbnva]

I'm an IC dumbass

make up your mind. are you an IC or a pr? because earlier you said you were a pr which is completely different imo.

[Robbnva]

Mine definitely wasn't and since that slot is scum you'll hang next if people ever get a clue and lynch Eddie. Eddie is scum.

[Robbnva]

Idk why you wasted your time on that. My logic wasn't bullshit and nothing you say changes that. So you are either scum or a bad player deciding to waste time posting that garbage.

I'll go with scum cause you actually seem to be intelligent on the surface (plus I don't want to get banned for insulting people)

[Robbnva]

No it isn't. Good I caught 2 scum. I'm awesome

[Robbnva]

I don't think I'm clever. I just think I've caught 2 scum. Your vote just confirms it for me.

If I'm lynched please vote both Eddie and korts. If you don't town loses guaranteed.

[Robbnva]

Hey Robb how about you switch to the wagon with more support

I'm only going to be voting Eddie or korts today and since I haven't seen a vc in a while I'll stick with Eddie.

[Robbnva]

Man I wanna vote Robb but this

And like massive said at the time, this last sentence is incredibly condescending, as if your own play has been so impeccable.

is just like POCKET WARNING DANGER WILL ROBINSON POCKET WARNING POCKET WARNING

Good call. Cause it was stupid when you used it. Definitely nobody should sheep that logic.

Condescending is my personality

[Robbnva]

I'll read that post later. My internet at this hotel is garbage.

[Robbnva]

@gamma that post is just AtE garbage. Why can't scum make that post? Why does it make that slot town?

Let's ignore how obviously scummy PS was. What has Eddie done that's town?

@eddie. If you are town you are more annoying. You Troll the fucking game and get mad cause somebody scum reads you for it.

[Robbnva]

I never really have a problem in other games. I usually get my way. If town wants to lose go ahead and ignore obv scum.

[Robbnva]

People need thicker skin. Bunch of delicate snowflakes. If you are handed scum on a platter it shouldn't matter how scum was found. If somebody makes a bad post they should be told they made a bad post so they hopefully learn from it.

I can't help it. I have a short fuse for bad players.

So do whatever y'all want to do, you know my position. If people don't want to play with me cause they are too sensitive I can't do anything about that.

If I'm lynched. Please don't let it be for nothing. Sheep my reads when I'm gone.

I'm not going to join a korts wagon just cause it's bigger either. It's me or Eddie

[Robbnva]

Hey robbvna you're probably right about Eddie but I feel like you're right about korts also. What would be the problem with lynching korts today then pushing Eddie?

There is more resistance to him so I feel he's a pr. At this point I don't even care about this game anymore.

Maybe I have shit reads but I don't feel I do. I don't want to compromise anymore. I don't want another game day with me and Eddie in it either.

[Robbnva]

I'm playing awesome though. The only knock against me is I'm not being nice. I've caught 2 scum. I just can't get anyone to lynch then cause I'm a dick.

If I get lynched today town better lynch the fuck out of you tomorrow without letting you weasel out of it. And if you somehow are town I can gladly say I'll never play with you again. Trolling games is never ok. You should be site banned for it.

[Robbnva]

But he did. And when I decided i saw enough and definitely knew I was right about that slot. He did a complete 180 and started trying.

That's scum mentality

[Robbnva]

How do you ratiolize him as town calling his predecessor possible scum?

[Robbnva]

VOTE: eddie
tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, tried to give you time to convince me I was wrong about your slot.

time's up

I'll read the thread tomorrow or tonight

He promised to reread after I voted him like I just fucking said.

[Robbnva]

It's not scum hunting. It's not progressing the game. It's something town should never do.

So he's scum or shit town. I'm pretty sure it's scum but if he's shit town good riddance. I cant play with people who don't have the same desire to scum hunt that I do. If that means I mislynch bad townies oh well. They should stop playing like scum.

[Robbnva]

So stop trying to talk to me. If you don't care what I have to say, stop trying to get my thoughts.

I'm only voting Eddie today. If that doesn't fit your own agenda fuck off

[Robbnva]

If you don't care what I have to say, stop trying to get my thoughts.

And I don't think I'm gods gift. I have mislynched a bunch of townies. I just try to lynch scummy people. I don't know if they are scum or town.

[Robbnva]

Don't lynch Eddie just to please me. Y'all lynch who you want. If you don't think he's scum so be it. But nobody is really making a strong case for anyone else. I'll vote korts if I have to buy with only 2 votes I don't feel like I have to yet.

[Robbnva]

If I'm wrong about you that won't be a problem. Your trolling was completely unacceptable

[Robbnva]

Btw you joined a game with me. I didn't join a game with you. So don't ever join a game with me again.

[Robbnva]

I never troll in my games. I always try to find and lynch scum.

[Robbnva]

People shouldn't quit just cause they are scumread. Town or scum it's a crappy thing to do.

[Robbnva]

People shouldn't quit just cause they are scumread. Town or scum it's a crappy thing to do.

He replaced out because you were being irrational and toxic.

I don't think you can call me trying to lynch my top scum read toxic. That's literally the point of the game.

I'm not also going to replace out cause I can't get my way. I'll keep trying to lynch my scum reads and if I can't I'll deal with it.

If korts gets more votes I'll consider changing and I'll watch my language for the sensitive church going types.

That's all I can do. If you don't like it lynch me and sheep my reads so my lynch isn't a complete waste.

[Robbnva]

Robb. Why is the Eddie slot scum and Tchill just bad town?

I was already scum the slot. Eddie replaced in and proceeded to do nothing but troll.

That's not a town mindset and anyone who says or thinks otherwise is wrong imo.

[Robbnva]

Refresh my memory. Why didn't you shoot?

[Robbnva]

Meh. You should have shot the person who was about to be lynched so town could still analyze the wagon but whatever.

[Robbnva]

Eddie Cane's entrance is suspect. Instead admitting to Percy's obviously scummy play, he doubles down. This is a play that does not make sense as town.

1. If he had actually done that, most people on this site consider this an amished scumtell. Coming in and criticizing your predecessor is considered a no no.

2. He did quote one of his predecessors posts and called them possible scum which is a huge red flag that nobody else seems to see.

[Robbnva]

Did I miss how we knew he was jailed by vecna?

[Robbnva]

@grendel

Spoiler:

I'm really frustrated, and disappointed.

@Rob

If you are as unhappy, and care as little about the game as you claim to then just sub out. It doesn't matter if you're right or wroung about your reads. If you think that Eddie is subbing out because he was "scum read" then you are oblivious to what a crude and hurtful player you can be.

You have ten years of experience, and played over a hundred games of mafia collectively under your alt accounts. You know that town act irrational, you know town do crap they shouldn't, you standing by what you've justifying as a policy lynch when we are half way through D2 does nothing for the rest of us. Especially if Eddie is town.

If you are going to keep insisting on lynching the first scum read you delvoped this game I'm going to datamine as many of your games as I can and show how statistically bad you are at catching scum D1. Because operating under the premise that town wouldn't lie is utterly obtuse. I don't get how you can stand by the same principals when they have failed you more then they have validated you. It doesn't matter if its moraly right, correct, etc. I would love a game where town didn't play stupidly. However, that isn't how this game works Rob.

You're just not... helping here

I guess I'm being foolish right now as well since you've made it abundantly clear that you don't want to listen to other people. Just, If you can't reel it in, consider subbing out.

-Pre-edit

Exactly

Was just going to ignore this but now I'm bored.

1. The only thing I'm unhappy about is people aren't seeing Eddie as obv scum. Why would I replace out for that? That makes me just as bad as Eddie. Replacing out cause things don't go your way is a terrible reason. It's taking your ball and going home which too many kids do these days. No. I'm a man and I grew up in a generation where you don't quit or give up cause things are tough or hard. I wish more people had that mentality.

2. As I've said earlier. I can't control what I find scummy. Just cause town also play scummy doesn't mean I should completely abandon what I find scummy because that allows scum to get by doing these things undetected. Before I got banned I had this theory that a lot of players were dumbing down their town games so they could play as scum easier. Upon my return I see that town playing poorly has increased way more. I see a lot of people trying to emulate RC who was probably the one who's most famous for it. I'm not giving people a free pass cause they play bad. I felt PS started off awkward and her reactions to being questioned weren't good. Eddie came in and did nothing to improve the slot. If you want to discredit my push as a policy lynch, go right ahead but that's not what it is at all. I legitimately scum read the slot cause I don't feel they have acted with town's best interests in mind.

3. Go ahead and waste your time data mining my games. That's not going to change how i play. Instead of giving me shit for scum reading "townies playing poorly" why not blame the people who played poorly? Players need to start taking this game more seriously. If every townie tries their best and scum hunts, it's a lot easier to catch scum.

4. I'm perfectly willing to listen to others. From what I've seen nobody has made a convincing argument as to why Eddie is town. Nobody has made a convincing argument as to why other people are scum. Your reasons in post 639 as to why monkey is scum weren't very convincing. So instead of berating me and my play, step
up your own game.

If people want me to consider somebody else besides Eddie/korts. Post or link me to the post that has your most convincing reasons and I'll look into it later today.

[Robbnva]

So we don't know for sure he actually jailed him...

[Robbnva]

I think he just claimed a role he can't confirm because he isn't that role.

it's literally the dumbest thing ever to fake claim vig on day 1.

I see why people wanted to lynch you.

[Robbnva]

Still haven't answered why Eddie's slot is scum and Tchill is just bad town. Other than "I'm still stuck in my tunnel."

Uh yes I did.

[Robbnva]

Did tchill do nothing and troll?

No
There's your difference. Why are you being difficult?

Tchill has tried to play the game. Eddie wasn't until I voted him again. That's scummy and imo a scumtell.

[Robbnva]

So flip it. What has Eddie done that's town and tchill that's scum

[Robbnva]

VOTE: vecna

full claim. also, note that vecna said the role is confirmable. probably something like fruit vendor.

This post right here is terrible. Especially given vecna was town. It's opportunistic as fuck and he's trying to force a full claim.

Vecna wasn't even really on his radar. The post right before that he has vecna as townish but now he's somehow scummy and needs to full claim?

Sorry that's scum 9 times out of 10.

His sd vote cake without any reason
His Hingis vote was off 1 post? That post wasn't even bad.

Yeah so there. Eddie's ISO is scum.

After that. Votes monkey for no reason. Massive for no reason, monkey again for no reason.

Day 2 no reason for assembler.

Votes tchill for not shooting (super scummy)

Somebody show me something protown. All these people defending him cause my reasons are bad and I'm tunneling him but nobody actually showing ANYTHING he's done that's protown.

Could it be cause he hasn't done anything protown?

You don't like my reasons. Fine but there is such a thing as being caught for the wrong reasons.

Eddie/massive/korts (pretty sure I was scum reading massive day 1)

That scum team makes sense to me. If I'm wrong on one, throw monkey in the mix.

That's game solved I'll bet my life on it.

[Robbnva]

Robb, what do you think about Eddie's #665? I'm still not done catching up so I'm still not confident to join you in the Eddie wagon.

What specifically about it? It looks like a post that could just as easily come from scum just as much as town.

And the stuff about extensions. I never asked for one cause I wasn't around to see it.


You don't think Eddie as scum can refuse to vote for an extension, say he did in game, and chastise anyone who didn't?

bottom line nothing in that post is 100% town. It could easily be scum lamisting

[Robbnva]

Ahem?

@nancy
@Ginngie
@Dark Horse
@Eddie Cane
@Tchill13
@Korts
@Grendel
@AssemblerotwsD
@massive

Can you guys tell me if you've asked for an extension or not?

This is pointless. Scum are going to lie.

mod please post the names of everyone who voted for an extension

[Robbnva]

Bad mod is bad

[Robbnva]

the leading wagon is an un ccd pr. you are someone lots to people have expressed interest in lynching and I scumread personally, so you're a good lynch today to sort people. sd is someone similar.

Vecna and sd are people who others scumread.

He also scum read them.

He have no reasons for those scum reads is a red flag

Here he says vecna is a good lynch but 655 he says

we aren't lynching vecna. he is un ccd protective pr. he will resolve.

Which raises yet another red flag.

He can blacklist me all he wants but if he is actually town his votes without reason, opportunistic vote to force a town pr to full claim without any reason for the vote, later says he shouldn't be voted and 10 posts later does a 180 and basically admits he is only scum reading him cause others are scum reading him.

That's terrible play.

Now is this town Eddie or scum Eddie?

To me that's scum. If I'm wrong I'll deal with it but nothing about the above is acceptable from town. If you want to discredit it as a policy lynch that's fine but it all points to scum to me.

[Robbnva]

I'll be curious what Eddie thinks of Grendel backing him up on voting Sunlit Diamond.

I'm really wondering why massive has such a hard on for my scum read of Eddie because prior to him asking me about Eddie this post is the only other time Eddie appears in his ISO. That alone is a weird post. Why does massive care about Eddie's thoughts?

You would think if he's so gung ho defending Eddie there were be more stuff in his ISO about him.

When PS was here massive spent his time discrediting me and my push. That's literally all massive has done with regards to me.

If Eddie is scum, massive is 100% his partner.

[Robbnva]

H MY GOD I'VE FINALLY PAID ALL MY DEBTS. TIME TO LURK FOR ANOTHER 2 WEEKS AGAIN!

Please be joking

[Robbnva]

Robb, I think you need to seek therapy instead of channeling your frustration into mafia, because you're ruining the game for everyone else.

having had mental issues in the past this is completely uncalled for. Even if I didn't it is still out of bounds to suggest somebody needs therapy.

go fuck yourself

mod please replace korts or me. I can no longer play with him.

I am also reporting you. It doesn't matter if you didn't know about my past, this is a personal non game related attack at me.

[Robbnva]

if I am not replaced

I will be v/la for the weekend to calm down.