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[Tchill13]

why is me not voting scummy?

Because we must have blood.

We must have monkey blood.

VOTE: monkey

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VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

Just helping the wagon along.

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I didn't argue anything actually. I asked you a simple question.

You chose to use something game related to vote me, asking you to explain your vote is perfectly acceptable response.

you claim it was rvs, but according to my definition of rvs, it wasn't.

Also I don't really buy the whole "see if his reaction would be useful" because you have to have a familiarity with me to know how I would react as town and scum, and you don't.

my apologies for calling you he, I have issues with pronouns all the time. I will try not to make that mistake again.

There hasn't been enough from you to determine if you are scum or town yet, so I won't put you at L-1 but you are definitely on my radar. Let's see if your play improves.

Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

VOTE: robbnva

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Hey monkey why exactly did you vote me there instead of korts?

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So monkey says Percy has been "faking" it then throws shade at korts for believing he's game solving then monkey votes me... And he does this all in the same post?

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Well dark horse I was trying to understand why monkey was throwing shade this way and that way but voting me instead.

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Ok so number one I voted Percy's wagon to help the wagon along and get the game going. I switched to Robb because it seemed like he was fake scumhunting. Percy's play was a rvs play and Robb was trying to read into it too much and get some town cred from my perspective. As far as arguments altogether give me a moment to read over them. I do apologize for my lack of content up to this point.

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Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

This is totally understandable to me and as far as wanting to get out of rvs as early as possible goes it still takes some time. You can't force the game to a point where every action has a reason on post 15.

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Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?

Well I don't consider it an rvs vote. I just never understand why people vote me for saying "sup", because this isn't the first time it's happened. Getting people to explain what their issue is I feel helps me better understand them. Right now I don't like percy's response and the old me would probably go into a death tunnel, but with limited posts and lack of cares right now I'm not going to dwell on it.

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

that isn't a good reason to give a town read imo. The best way to seem genuine, is to actually be genuine. You can totally be genuine as scum

UNVOTE:

Until I get caught up completely. I do like the last half of this post and it makes me feel better about Robbnva.

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Yeah so far my thoughts are there's been way too much attention brought on to Percy for a simple rvs vote. Then I believe it seemed like korts and monkey were looking into it a little too much. Specifically korts with his accusation of Percy using wifom. Percy got called out for a BS reason. She then tried to provide information that wasn't there to appease those who were giving her attention. Of course that's gonna come off as scummy especially if your thought process is biased.

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So in both situations for you kaboose there's a possibility I'm scum yet you don't vote me?

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Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

coming from the guy who was just helping the wagon along...

why did you join it if you thought the reason for it was stupid?

Just to help build it in general. As in a reaction test. People kept harping on Percy to provide reasoning for a rvs vote. I wasn't gonna continue to be a part of that when I realized that was the basis for the wagon.

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@monkey Making up answers to appease players is scummy. It's the situation Percy did it in that justifies it. If she's a new player that's getting a lot of attention for a rvs vote I can see them freaking out a bit as town. I think you also asked why did you have to vote robbvna? My question about you throwing shade and not voting me was specifically about not voting me.

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I apologize you said korts. The same still applies though.

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I'd like to start by saying hello to nancy, who I killed because she intimidated me last game, and to Aristophanes, who I killed because he wasn't easy to lynch.

VOTE: Tchill13

Let's not make this game fast-paced and meme-ful. I'm already currently playing that is hard to follow. Instead, let's take our time to chew everything and make meaning out of everything.

I'm here to eat bananas and scum. And I'm all out of bananas.

VOTE: monkey



Also, does a good read this one does
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30907

Spoiler:

Yes I know the meme says 'your' instead of 'you're' but I'm too lazy to find a meme with correct grammar.

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

who is dumb enough to scum read Korts?

So an rvs vote, claims someone is town, then I believe that korts comment was directed at me because I implied I scumread korts.

VOTE: Ginngie

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This is what I'm talking about when I say we're looking into the rvs vote too much. Seems like korts is looking too much into nothing. I'm not sure what korts is wanting to accomplish at this point.

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This is what I'm talking about when I say we're looking into the rvs vote too much. Seems like korts is looking too much into nothing. I'm not sure what korts is wanting to accomplish at this point.

Not korts Robbvna... Geez I keep messing up the names.

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I just moved my vote to Ginngie to get her to talk more... Other than Robbnva who has apparently caught scum once on a rvs vote before so he thinks it's justifiable to tunnel a rvs vote every time... Could someone please give me a real reason why any player is scum at this moment? I don't think there is one.

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You aren't reading the game closely. It's not just the vote. It's the reaction to me ask him about it. It's how he tried to play it off as rvs which somehow means he's absolved from answering the question. It's how he tried to take town credit for getting the game out of rvs. Its how he's falsely accusing me of things and somehow thinks my question is remotely close to his question. It's the lack of substance/scum hunting he's done.

Like I've said all this already. It's not just his vote...

I agree with you for the most part on your intentions. My problem is I can see this play coming from newbie town. What would you have me do here Robbnva? Your intentions look honest so you've got a town read from me.

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I'd still like to hear more from Ginngie. Somehow Percy is in this predicament and Ginngie hasn't gotten any attention at all.

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What about korts accusing you of wifom? That seemed a little too much in my opinion.

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Oh he was referring to monkey. Well I do agree with him if he's talking about monkey.

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Umm... Who pointed out my scummy habits?

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Alright... Why am I the best lynch? Give me some questions I can answer. Anybody. I'll do my best to answer sufficiently.

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If I cared about how I was viewed or was too worried about each move why would I move my vote around like I have?

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If you were to view my other games I really do believe that I got better as the game progresses. As far as play style I'm kinda just going with the flow until I get a lot of experience and understanding beneath my belt. I really don't know how to correct or change my current style.

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Well Aristophanes whole iso is just fluff so that's a scum read and monkey is a scum read because of his wifom that I believe korts pointed out. Dark horse and kaboose would be my town reads.

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Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

I can see this coming from you as town. That's mainly why you're not scum read.

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Kaboose is scum hunting and his thought process makes sense

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VOTE: Aristophanes

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Like, I'm such an easy ML push right now!

Tchill loses whatever townread I didn't have for him.

Umm... That's an awful response to one vote lol.

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I can understand where me pushing the LHF constantly can come from but I'm pushing slots that haven't participated for information? If yall are just gonna brush it off then it won't help.

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Korts I really like your wifom thought on monkey. Why am I scummier than him?

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Butter you up? I'm trying to get conversation started and it's either disregarded because I'm pushing the LHF or I'm buttering up someone.

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

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Oh we're lynching 2 people today? And 1 for trying to get conversation started? OK

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Yeah people accuse me of pushing the LHF when in all honesty that's been me the whole game. I'd give a serious look into low content posters who have pushed me.

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UNVOTE:

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Your case will be wasted time korts but go ahead.

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I don't know massive why would I say that exactly? From my own thoughts I'm led to believe it's persephone or Ginngie. I was assuming korts implied he would do a detailed case against me specifically.

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VOTE: Ginngie

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Just wanted to point out that Ginngie hasn't given much thought on slots other than me or Eddie but is evidently keeping up with the game.

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Robb is not scum and I'm not voting for that mislynch.

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I don't think I ever claimed I was mislynched "a lot"

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Robbvna you said you read all my games and I was only mislynched once. From my recollection that's correct. Korts you're wasting your time and if you're town here you're just making it easier for scum to move along day one. I'm pretty confident scum is in Aristophanes or Ginngie. The case on wifom for monkey is the fact he asked someone about their town read on him. "Why would scum do that? Scum wouldn't do that that would draw too much attention to themselves" that's the wifom I was talking about. I'd probably be most confident in a Aristophanes lynch though.

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VOTE: Aristophanes

I'm usually pretty scummy on day 1 and I don't remember really scum hunting very well on the first day either. My game gets better as the game progresses in day phases when there's more information such as flips and vote counts on the flips.

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Actually korts I like your case. I'm not gonna say you're wasting your time because that's very well thought out and put together. I will say your efforts are better used elsewhere.

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Stop being bad

Why? You get to see who reads into every slot versus the people that only push the easy scum read day 1 just to get by. I've got a lot of scummy tendencies because I really don't care how I'm viewed if I'm town I care about scum hunting and lynching scum. It's funny because the real problem with my scum game is I DO care how I'm seen, obviously, and that's such a change of pace for me it usually gets me lynched pretty quickly because I'm not playing comfortably.

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Ginngie what's wrong with any of my pushes here?

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Actually korts I like your case. I'm not gonna say you're wasting your time because that's very well thought out and put together. I will say your efforts are better used elsewhere.

This warms my heart, thank you. But flattery will get you nowhere. I will not be misdirected.

Lol it's not flattery when you're chasing the wrong person up a tree. It'd look much better if it was on Aristophanes or Ginngie.

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Seems like an attempt to get town cred seeing how he can't back up his statement.

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In response to Nancy, I'll try not to miss anything, I town read robbvna and Nancy that's really all at the moment. Nancy is making a genuine effort to scum hunt and seems to be transparent in her thoughts. Robbvna is more of a guy feel for his hard tunnel on rvs and trying to get reads and reactions based on his hard tunnel. As for monkey he sits null for me. I'm not sure why he'd question a town read on himself on day 1. That just seems odd to me. As far as what we talked about in the dead thread I have changed my approach for the most part (sadly not this game particularly due to my focus elsewhere) but I will try to be more like that from this point on in the game. I still believe Ginngie and Aristophanes have a good chance to be scum. Korts is also a null slot for me. That's about all my concrete thoughts on slots at this moment. Sorry if I missed anything Nancy.

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*gut

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I think that comment on assemble is valid. I haven't played too much with Ginngie. I feel like the scum read I'm getting from her is a mixture of lack of scum hunting and the fact I pushed her. From what I can tell if you push Ginngie she tunnels back. Limited experience with her though.

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So yall want me to hold a talk show? Lol

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Yo Robb, you scumread Eddie right.

They're partners!AF with TChill.

Flip TChill today, Eddie tomorrow.

*finger guns*

This looks like Ginngie is appealing to Robbnva.

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In my mind I have this triangle-shape like this;

Tchill - Korts
\ /
Monkey


And where there is probably 1 scum in the 3. Monkey being scum, ruling out the other 2 as being scum, Tchill being scum ruling out the other 2 as scum etc. Based on the way these 3 slots have been interacting. Korts has been rather critical of Monkey, both of them have been quite on Tchill. The way all of their interactions have been feel rather genuine, and either TvS or SvT - but not really like theyre scum teammates putting on a show.

Of the 3 I'm gonna push monkey. Korts laid a very well thought out case on me that seemed to me not to show any bias and correctly pointed out my scummy play. I've not seen anything from monkey that screams town.

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Spoiler:

Sup

VOTE: Robbnva for not voting. We must have blood.

why is me not voting scummy?

why is me not voting scummy?

Because we must have blood.

you don't even make sense

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

But you didn't rvs so when you don't rvs you need to make sense.

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

Because our goal as town should be to get out of RVS.

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

Sounds way too forced

why is me not voting scummy?

Because we must have blood.

We must have monkey blood.

VOTE: monkey

Wagon builds on PS/Eddie Cane.
TChill counterwagons onto monkey

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

Just helping the wagon along.

No one latches onto the monkey wagon, he hops onto the wagon to bus

Spoiler:

2) When you have stated a townread on your partner and there's no reason for you to be voting them, don't randomly vote them because you feel like you should be on your buddy's wagon for towncred.

Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

VOTE: robbnva

Gets told to feck off her wagon in PT and bounces out for sketch reasoning.




town-robb, korts, Ari, nancy, Ginn, Sunlit Diamond, monkey, massive, Darkhorse

scum-Eddie, TChill, Assemblerotws

Grendel scum if I'm wrong

This is the post Ginngie is bragging about as noteworthy and its the one that states I got told off in scum chat? I'm just gonna laugh that reasoning off.

[Tchill13]

All this hate on Robbnva is a great place for scum to come in and post some fluff. I'm pretty confident Robbnva isn't scum here. I can see his motivations coming from town. Seriously let's not just verbally berate this slot.

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Strong town:
Robbnva
Nancy
Korts

Town lean:
Dark horse
Vecna

Null:
Monkey
Sunlit
Massive

Scum lean:
PersephoneSidekick
Grendel

Scum:
Ginngie

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Yo Robb, you scumread Eddie right.

They're partners!AF with TChill.

Flip TChill today, Eddie tomorrow.

*finger guns*

This looks like Ginngie is appealing to Robbnva.

Who knew promoting teamwork in mafia was pro-town when we have a mutual scrumread

It's not pro town when you're promoting teamwork on a mislynch.

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Vecna replaced into Aristophanes slot right? Vecna is giving off totally different vibes.

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UNVOTE:

Yeah it's because I'm having a hard time seeing scum tunnel me this much to get lynched the next day when I flip town... I was thinking about voting Eddie or Grendel.

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Strong town:
Robbnva
Nancy
Korts

Town lean:
Dark horse
Vecna

Null:
Monkey
Sunlit
Massive

Scum lean:
PersephoneSidekick
Grendel

Scum:
Ginngie

Eddie is a scum lean btw.

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There's a scum lean too.

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I'm town vigilante.

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I knew I was close and town would have raged had I not so...

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I feel like korts is definitely town. Vecna may not be that seems a little too opportunistic for me.

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VOTE: vecna

This also is influenced by the scum read of the slot he replaced into.

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I was actually flip flopping on that. No ik who I'm shooting already.

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Vecna you can't demand someone's attention like that lol. I've said what needed to be said. You revoting me is absurd. What exactly do you want me to explain? I thought I was at L-1. How the actual heck can I convince you I'm a town PR. I was gonna try to survive as mislynch bait so scum wouldn't kill me. Does that convince you?

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"A townies most powerful weapon is their voice and their vote"

Votes aren't just "votes"

And this is why I'm called scum a lot on day 1. I throw my vote around like it don't mean a thing on day 1 lol.

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Vecna you can't demand someone's attention like that lol. I've said what needed to be said. You revoting me is absurd. What exactly do you want me to explain? I thought I was at L-1. How the actual heck can I convince you I'm a town PR. I was gonna try to survive as mislynch bait so scum wouldn't kill me. Does that convince you?

I want you to explain your vote on me for starters, while you were townreading me before when I was actually trying to put off the wagon on you. What about my reasoning do you think would not come from town-vecna.

Because you're vote came down to "I need to see this flip". That's a pretty slimy excuse.

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I'm heavily scum read and knowing I'm either at L-2 or L-1 I shouldn't claim?

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I think the claim was OK. We already gained some info on your slot vecna.

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@Tchill

Can you publicly submit a pool of players you intend to shoot in tonight?

Will make it easier to confirm your kill tomarrow.

I'd rather not publicly speak about it because scum will be able to game plan wouldn't they?

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Enough fooling around with other wagons, guys. For anyone who needs a reminder, go reread Vecna from Tchill's claim onward. How is the PR claim believable after all that implosion?

Scum could easily claim jailkeeper to try and accuse me of a false claim after a night phase. I'm not buying the vecna claim. Mainly because of his reaction to my claim.

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Well I'm glad we flat out gave scum a PR kill without a chance of lynching scum.

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VOTE: assemblr

There's a reason this didn't get lynched. Probably because scum didn't want to hammer their teammate.

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Well you add that with the reason that a wagon grew on him. Why do you think it's monkey rather than assemble?

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There's no way that slot should even be in the game at this point. 8 posts alone. That's the type scum is gonna want to keep alive even if they're town.

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Grendel, Vecna and massive's votes confuse me looking at the vote count. At least with Vecna his revote on me after I claimed was good enough reason to vote him. Those other votes just seem like a place to put it without bringing up any concern.

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@Tchill

Can you publicly submit a pool of players you intend to shoot in tonight?

Will make it easier to confirm your kill tomarrow.

VOTE: Grendel

With his vote placement in mind and the fact that he made this statement I feel that Grendel is scum.

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So what about the fact that Ginngie actively posted and could have lynched assembler and didn't? She's a scum lean for me because of that.

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So what about the fact that Ginngie actively posted and could have lynched assembler and didn't? She's a scum lean for me because of that.

Disregard this I was wrong.

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T chill are you really going to attack someone for vote placement when you had been voting vecna at the end of the day?

I sure am. There was a reasonable case to vote Vecna. What reasons were there to vote those other players that you could justify no lynching? Had I got on in time and realized the situation I would have moved my vote.

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Enough fooling around with other wagons, guys. For anyone who needs a reminder, go reread Vecna from Tchill's claim onward. How is the PR claim believable after all that implosion?

The thing is I can see scum using the Vecna case to reasonably move his vote somewhere that makes sense while not bringing any attention to himself by hammering assembler. Obviously if korts is scum here he knows Vecna is town so he pushes the Vecna wagon then states his play deserved to be lynched when he flips town. Brings little to no attention to himself.

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If he had a solid amount of justification against monkey why wasn't monkey the one that got flash wagoned?

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Vecnas wagon was Ginngie, me, Nancy and korts. Why would you open up this day phase voting monkey if there's likely scum on Vecnas wagon.

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VOTE: Eddie cane

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My issue with a no lynch day 1 is we're in the SAME EXACT situation on day 2 we just gave scum a free PR kill.

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I did not use my ability and I am not claiming one shot. I wasn't gonna kill a townie on accident on top of the fact that we had already given scum a free kill because of the no lynch.

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OK monkey I'm dense we will go with that one.

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We made 2 PR'S claim. So if they're not lynched they will be night killed. I wasn't saying we should have lynched one of them. I was saying assembl should have been lynched for reads and reactions more so than anything. I wasn't going to shoot him because I wasn't giving scum 2 FREE kills if he's town.

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I thought saying what I actually did would be a better idea.

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Look if I was scum I just would have said that vecna was the jail keeper and I was role blocked.

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VOTE: korts

If you believe my claim and unvoted me because of it there's no reason for me to be around end game because I would be NK'd. You should believe this because you apparently believe my claim now. You throw shade while hopping off the wagon in hopes that my lynch goes through while you're not on it.

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"even if I'm town it's not sure I'd be killed at this point" lol. Yeah scums gonna leave the pr alive that can kill them. That's laughable. If you don't believe I'm a vig then you should believe I'm scum. It's as simple as that.

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A) we lynch scum, I get lucky and kill scum then that's probably most of the scum team right there.

B) the risk of a vig killing scum isn't worth the risk of hoping he kills town when you're scum.

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I don't understand how you can say I'm not a vig but I might be town.

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I would be okay with a korts lynch what do you think about that robbvna?

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I leaned town on korts because he made a great, reasonable and seemingly town motivated case on me early. It changed to a scum read because of how he handled my claim and how he came off my wagon.

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Hey robbvna you're probably right about Eddie but I feel like you're right about korts also. What would be the problem with lynching korts today then pushing Eddie?

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I'm not asking you to join because it's bigger I'm asking you to join because after the korts lynch it will be much, much easier to push and Eddie lynch through in my opinion. Where as if we don't lynch korts and say you're lynched it'll be much harder to get Eddie lynched.

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VOTE: Eddie

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If Eddie is replacing out let's go ahead and lynch him. I have no problem lynching Eddie or korts. Lynching Eddie would give us some information because a few people have defended him. I feel a little more confident that korts is scum but I'm willing to lynch Eddie because I'm confident enough that he might be scum too.

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They're both probably scum. You obviously agree if you're OK with me vigging Eddie.

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Then why even mention me vigging Eddie's slot?

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Basically because we no lynched. I didn't feel the need to give scum a free townie kill if I missed shot that gave little to no information.

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I could have. Had we lynched town we would have had a wagon that went through to analyze. Then I would have shot whoever I felt was scum. I didn't want to give scum another townie kill. That's what we did with the no lynch.

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It's objectively worse to shoot a townie. I'm not talking about it anymore it's a waste of time.

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I've literally stated why I didn't shoot about 4 times. I had no idea who might be scum and I felt like scum might be pushing me to shoot assemblr so I didn't do that.

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I understand why it's a concern but I'm just gonna repeat myself over and over again.

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I'm down with that robbvna. We should lynch Eddie's slot today.

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Can we please lynch Eddie and get on with this?

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VOTE: game replacement

Lol Ginngie thanks for saying something

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Well... I enjoy playing with you Robbnva.

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I applaud the effort but those walls are hard to read. I don't understand why we can't choose a lynch st this point yet.

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That... Is an odd scum pool.

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UNVOTE:

I'll decide between Titus and monkey tonight.

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UNVOTE:

I'll decide between Titus and monkey tonight.

I was talking about voting to be clear.

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VOTE: Titus