Ooh, a chainsaw defense right off the bat! Can you give me any pro-town argument for attacking nancy's wagon?In post 19, Aristophanes wrote:Hi DH and Draynth!
Nice votes you have/had there!
VOTE: massive
Nobody votes nancy on my watch!
(Also, v/la until Tuesday. Needed this in my Ego tho)
On the one hand, this is a very narrow interpretation of RVS, and raises concerns that you are being deliberately obtuse.In post 24, Robbnva wrote:You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.
This is not a constructive defense whatsoever, so yeah, I would like to hear something of actual substance from Persephone please.In post 15, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?
Uhh yeah but the moment you defend an RVS vote with "lol chill it's just an RVS vote" you invalidate the entire purpose of RVS.In post 26, nancy wrote:Pretty sure the difference is that reasons are jokes; I agree with you that if her vote was serious then she should probably clarify that, but the whole point of RVS is to randomly vote someone for something that isn't alignment indicative as if it is; whether or not the vote has to do with GRC doesn't seem particularly relevant.In post 24, Robbnva wrote:You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.
Uhh can you quote the Percy post you are referring to?In post 31, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?
Hm. Okay. What about Ginggie's vote, then? How about Aristo's? Or Tchill's? They gave "reasons" too.In post 36, humaneatingmonkey wrote:This.
This feels like Percy wants to blend in during RVS but he wants to make his RVS the least suspicious so he throws in a little reason on it.
Kinda felt like Robb was into something. Curious to why he didn't want to pursue it just because there's "limited posts and lack of cares right now." (Just because we're in the RVS stage, I guess.)
a) Whoever gave you the idea that reasons can only be joke reasons?In post 55, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Korts, Percy's vote was out of place because it's an actual reason. A real reason. Not a joke reason.
Not necessarily. It is, however, highly impolite and counterproductive to dismiss arguments by referring to RVS, because RVS is a crutch, a myth, and a concept I wish had never been introduced to this game.In post 58, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Is it considered actively better to vote for a blatant joke reason in RVS than for a reason that is "real" but blatantly insufficient, and if so, why? Real question; it's my first non-newbie game.
My god, the bullshit logic. This is, at best, wishful thinking - but it also just sounds like you're trying to pin Persephone down at every turn.In post 60, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Irrelevant question. Nothing is better. Whatever you do, if you're scummy, people will call you out on it. Just do whatever you think is best to do as town. This is hard to fake if you're scum. People can smell fake and fake attempts. So if you're trying to fake something, you're probably scum. And people will call you out on it.In post 58, PersephoneSidekick wrote:Is it considered actively better to vote for a blatant joke reason in RVS than for a reason that is "real" but blatantly insufficient, and if so, why? Real question; it's my first non-newbie game.
Uhh, okay? None of that is important to me at all. I am not genuinely pursuing the Ari angle. I am simply baffled that you think RVS is for jokes.In post 65, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Nah. Ari and I have history. I'm also no stranger to his friendship with nancy.
In post 32, Ginngie wrote:Town.In post 29, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.
Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty
monkey is stirring shit and openly challenging townreads on himself, like what the hell, dude?In post 33, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How much do you trust that read?
Nah I'm good for now. I'm more interested to hear what others think than your defense or deflection.In post 77, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Nice try. Maybe join me in VOTE: TChill is better use of your time not making weak arguments like this and believing you actually solved the game.
First, you blatantly jump on Percy's bandwagon, then six posts later, you are lamenting the stupidity of the wagon, and hop on the opposing one without any reasoning whatsoever. Since then, you have posted three separate times to question the monkey's vote on you, and have not commented on anyone else. You do not seem to have tried to make any contribution to this game whatsoever, and I agree with monkey that your activity is raising red flags.In post 55, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tchill's vote switch sucked.
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VOTE: TChill
????????In post 47, Tchill13 wrote:Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.
VOTE: robbnva
Who's them TChill? Percy and Robb? So why cast your vote there? And for what reason?
Reading Persephone's ISO, I partly believe her claim that her newbieness is the main driving force behind the poor play. I dislike her panicky lack of commitment to her RVS vote when pushed, and she is still more focused on explaining and excusing herself than analyzing others' behavior around her, which is anti-town at best.In post 123, humaneatingmonkey wrote:@Korts
In post 77, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
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So how do you read Persephone's ISO then? What do you not agree on me about?In post 67, Korts wrote:Which is not to say that I don't think Persephone isn't suspcious independent of your arguments. Her play has been pretty poor so far - but yours can be characterized more specifically as opportunistic.
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What would I gain as scum by pushing Percy's wagon right now if not to scumhunt and to learn from her reactions?
What would I gain as scum by openly questioning townreads people have on me this early?
Hey fuck you. Disagreement was not my reason for voting you. I laid out my bullshit case quite clearly, thank you.Unlike Korts, I don't vote someone who I only disagree with. His push against me was NAI. It could be something a town can do, but it lost townpoints because it was a bullshit push. Anyway, why do you think that I had to vote Korts?
Pouiusdfnblxkjnvqeroőüignjsdbfblkaémnm are you trying to give me an aneurysm?Robbnva wrote:the true definition of rvs
Finally, something from you that I can completely agree with.In post 154, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I still think Percy is way, way overreacting, but after her response to my last post I am not (currently) scumreading her for it. I will revisit later in this phase / next phase and see if what she gave me stands up to scrutiny.
The scum Iamseeing is VOTE: TChill. He has spent an inordinate amount of his 21 posts defending Percy (directly and indirectly) and redirecting attention to other players. This looks more like like buddying up (white knighting? pocketing? What is the correct term?) than scum teaming to me, given what I first said.
Robb, what are your reads OTHER than Percy?
You're not really helping yourself with the "look how much I don't care" spiel.In post 193, Tchill13 wrote:If I cared about how I was viewed or was too worried about each move why would I move my vote around like I have?
What a weird over-the-top reaction to a barely justified vote on a fringe wagon. Kaboose's GIF game is on point, I don't even have a clue how to interpret this. Can you please elaborate where this is coming from?In post 204, Aristophanes wrote:Like, I'm such an easy ML push right now!
Tchill loses whatever townread I didn't have for him.
Get better! Huh? Did I miss where this is an open setup? Or are you just claiming scum?In post 232, Assemblerotws wrote:I can guarantee nobody is a Godfather.In post 231, Eddie Cane wrote:if it makes you feel better I'll guarantee I'm not a godfather
Because of posts like this. Stop trying to butter me up.In post 247, Tchill13 wrote:Korts I really like your wifom thought on monkey. Why am I scummier than him?
Haha no that's not why at all. I'll compile a comprehensive case for you tomorrow, I promise.In post 269, Tchill13 wrote:Oh we're lynching 2 people today? And 1 for trying to get conversation started? OK
Uhh... How the fuck does Robb's tunneling mean that Tchill is town? That is by far the stupidest thing I've read in this thread yet. And your Ginggie read is jumping all over the place. I can't even begin to understand what you're going for here.In post 302, Eddie Cane wrote:lol yeah you're just scum you're getting roped today. you aren't attempting to sort me, you just said you aren't going to interact with me anymore and that's because you know you're stuck in a corner. me not having time to actually read the game and rvsing for a bit doesn't allow you to write me off.
this means t chill is town and won't be lynched meaning ginngie will probably help you try to mislynch me. t chill, stop being a scummy scumfuck and post something useful to reassure me. you can even 2v2 ginngie and robb with me! ginngie is probably tilted town tho so your focus is robb.
You're bussing, aren't you.In post 315, Ginngie wrote:@nancy, you engage with me because I'm actually good at this game. Tchill scum, vote so I can hammer
Great!In post 318, Ginngie wrote:100%In post 317, Korts wrote:You're bussing, aren't you.In post 315, Ginngie wrote:@nancy, you engage with me because I'm actually good at this game. Tchill scum, vote so I can hammer
This warms my heart, thank you. But flattery will get you nowhere. I will not be misdirected.In post 328, Tchill13 wrote:Actually korts I like your case. I'm not gonna say you're wasting your time because that's very well thought out and put together. I will say your efforts are better used elsewhere.
Interesting. Why are you assuming a two-player scumteam? I would think that 3 scum is much more probable in 13p.In post 356, Sunlit Diamond wrote:At the moment Monkey seems the most likely. His case for voting Tchill seems disjointed and opportunistic to the extreme, while just "town" enough to slip by unnoticed.In post 355, Robbnva wrote:if you believe this, who is the scum pushing him?In post 354, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I am quite certain that TChill is a scum team's dream opportunity for a mislynch.
I am kind of starting to feel this way also but still not 100% ruling out that tchill isn't scum
Ginngie is also on my radar, and Korts' ultra-case caught my attention, but I'm not ready to scumread him yet. I don't think they are scum together, however. Possible for a Korts/Monkey or Ginngie/Monkey team, but not (in my opinion) Korts/Ginngie.
Whatever else is up with you and Eddie (and I keep going back and forth in my mind on it) this is just not true, Robb. If you want to help the town get rid of scum, you need to work with the town. If you cannot convince us to lynch your scum pick, then you are not helping by refusing to entertain other possibilities. There is more than one scum. The town needs a consensus, not single-minded renegades who are willing to throw their votes away on principle.In post 374, Robbnva wrote:Btw voting my top scum read is and always will be protown. Don't ever say I'm not being protown when I absolutely am.
The goal of the game is to find and lynch scum. That's what I'm trying to do.
That is however nothing like what you are doing. You omgus me after you say your predecessor could be scum
What are you on about? Dark Horse didn't have an Eddie read. The two times he even mentions Eddie is to say that his argument with Robb is clogging up the thread, and once to ask him about his Tchill/Robb reads. So what am I contradicting exactly?In post 489, Vecna wrote:Korts, I would like some more clarifications from you;
What posts in particular from Dark horse were you agreeing with so strongly? His posts all have felt ratherr like stating the obvious, and as things that scum could also superficially state. Id like you to pay some special attention to Dark Horse read's on the Eddie slot here, since it feels youre rather contradicting yourself stating that you agree with his posts, while at the same time youre reading the Robb vs Eddie interactions completely different from Dark Horse.
why are you so fascinated with me trying to get a wagon on monkey going? You were stating distrust on the slot yourself, and your recent post isnt taking that away completely. How is it so unclear to you why im voting the slot, while apparently you've felt the same level of suspicion? One could think you were distancing yourself from the slot and are now coming back on that since you dont want to start bussing it quite this early?
It has always been considered a courtesy to not just the lynch target to start considering final claims, pleas, and other assorted words of kindness, but to the town as a whole, who may not all be following the vote count and would like the dead to have their say before a hammer.In post 506, Vecna wrote:Also, since when does putting someone on L1 get announced upfront?
Are you threatening Tchill with a lynch, or what? How do you expect to get that done? That wagon certainly don't have my vote anymore, and you're absolutely not going to be the one to convince me otherwise.In post 508, Vecna wrote:Yo Tchill, if youre actually a PR youre gonna come in here and discuss stuff, and not run away again and hide right after claiming like that. If not were gonna be finding out whether your bullshitting or not.
[/quote]In post 519, Vecna wrote:VOTE: Tchill
Hey Tchill, I asked you to come in and not disappear after you just made some hasty claim. I can see youre still online
That's not how scum kills tend to work. I doubt there is a designated killer, just a group kill that can be executed by anyone. I don't think I've ever seen a scum team with only one player who can kill.In post 611, Vecna wrote:Or he is scum, and he'd only claim Vig if they actually do have a way to have a second nightkill. Having him claim that he shot someone and that it went through would out his lie in that case. Also if someone else on their team happens to be an extra killing role (not sure how likely that is in these sort of setups) then it also outs him as a lyar.
Nah it's notIn post 675, Vecna wrote:In what world would a town PR in my position not be trying to talk himself out of getting lynched? You'd prefer if your town PR's in all your games would always just lay down and die?
I don't understand this argument. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Vecna claimed after a bunch of scummy shit, where he exploded all over the thread, threatened Tchill post-claim multiple times, desperately tried to lead the town away from his wagon, and constantly misrepresented any argument against him.In post 786, Dark Horse wrote:I really don't like the huge double standard korts had between monkey and vecna's claims.
I mean, if anything, the no lynch gave us more room for town deaths. You could have used the kill to try scumhunting yourself, and give the town a flip to work with next day even though we bungled the lynch. assembler was at L-1, and I would have hammered if I was here, as would I imagine most of us who didn't make it, so we would all have welcomed that shot - then you had a monkey suspicion that was shared by others, whose flip would have helped clear the air as well - there were good targets for you to shoot. That you didn't choose any of them is baffling.In post 823, Tchill13 wrote:I did not use my ability and I am not claiming one shot. I wasn't gonna kill a townie on accident on top of the fact that we had already given scum a free kill because of the no lynch.
Actually that's a good question. I... don't know.In post 837, Sunlit Diamond wrote:What reason would scum!TChill have for saying he didn't shoot versus hiding behind Vecna's JK?
I'm not trying to dismiss being wrong. I'm just trying to justify my position. It was a bogus claim because of all the weaselly shit before it that made it look like a last-ditch survival attempt. I was wrong, but I stand by my judgement. Vecna was incredibly scummy.In post 839, Dark Horse wrote:You did the opposite. It seemed like instead of causing you to back down, you just started gunning for his lynch even harder, which is mad scummy. Even now, you’re trying to dismiss being wrong by saying it was a “bogus claim.”
Last summer - Micro 623 was the first time I played since 2013. I joined another game this March, but quickly replaced out due to the spamposting.In post 846, Grendel wrote:A silly question, but humor me please. What was the last game you played through to completion here?
I did not unvote because I believe you, I unvoted because I do not see any more scum justification for your claim than I do town, and that is not a good basis for a vote.In post 855, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: korts
If you believe my claim and unvoted me because of it there's no reason for me to be around end game because I would be NK'd. You should believe this because you apparently believe my claim now. You throw shade while hopping off the wagon in hopes that my lynch goes through while you're not on it.
Of course you are, Eddie.In post 857, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: monkey
lmk if anyone is down for a korts wagon.
t chill, vig tonight or you're just scum. assemble is still a good target
I'm sure a proper PBPA feels forced nowadays, but that's how I learned to play the game. If you're sure of a scum read, you gather your evidence and present your case. I highlighted any of Tchill's posts where I could see the reflection of a scummy mindset; that that ended up being most of his posts is circumstantial.In post 892, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Korts: your case on TChill feels a bit like trying to come up with scum reasoning for every post, which feels forced. What was the intention here?
I will be happy to show that it is.In post 900, Robbnva wrote:So you can be scum also cause nothing bs with that post or my logic.
Just Robb and monkey, really. Both their pushes on Percy were terribly contrived.In post 917, Gamma Emerald wrote:Now it's time to address this. I don't like it. He seems to be painting the people voting PS as scum no matter who they are.In post 893, Korts wrote:Okay, I'm finally sitting down to recalibrate. I'm gonna have to do this in portions though, because I have a bunch of other shit to deal with too.
VOTE: unvote
Reread notes - page 1-3 - The Percy wagon builds up
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An explanation was provided with the initial vote. The explanation was repeated at your request.In post 45, Robbnva wrote:I didn't argue anything actually. I asked you a simple question.
You chose to use something game related to vote me, asking you to explain your vote is perfectly acceptable response.
This is the bullshit part. You stick to the literal definition of RVS as strictly random, unjustified voting. Your entire case is built on the fact that Percy dared include a reason, which makes it not RVS, when you are well aware (you must be, you claim 10+ years of experience with this game) that the common use of RVS refers to arbitrary voting rather than essential randomness.you claim it was rvs, but according to my definition of rvs, it wasn't.
You are not such a special snowflake that your reactions wouldn't tell a stranger anything about you. This is just an attempt to discredit Percy's defense.Also I don't really buy the whole "see if his reaction would be useful" because you have to have a familiarity with me to know how I would react as town and scum, and you don't.
And like massive said at the time, this last sentence is incredibly condescending, as if your own play has been so impeccable.There hasn't been enough from you to determine if you are scum or town yet, so I won't put you at L-1 but you are definitely on my radar. Let's see if your play improves.
