Normal 1934: Civilization Mafia Mafia (Endgame)

[Korts]

You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.

On the one hand, this is a very narrow interpretation of RVS, and raises concerns that you are being deliberately obtuse.

On the other hand:

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

This is not a constructive defense whatsoever, so yeah, I would like to hear something of actual substance from Persephone please.

[nancy]

You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.

Pretty sure the difference is that reasons are jokes; I agree with you that if her vote was serious then she should probably clarify that, but the whole point of RVS is to randomly vote someone for something that isn't alignment indicative as if it is; whether or not the vote has to do with GRC doesn't seem particularly relevant.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

[nancy]

Hi monkey

(I'd ask why that vote but I'd honestly rather wait for Robbnva.)

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

[Robbnva]

@korts - I am not being deliberately obtuse. some would just say i am obtuse naturally.

@nancy - I don't have anything to add atm so I am confused as to why you are waiting for me.

@ human - there won't be any squabbling from me

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?

[Ginngie]

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

[humaneatingmonkey]

How much do you trust that read?

[Robbnva]

Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?

Well I don't consider it an rvs vote. I just never understand why people vote me for saying "sup", because this isn't the first time it's happened. Getting people to explain what their issue is I feel helps me better understand them. Right now I don't like percy's response and the old me would probably go into a death tunnel, but with limited posts and lack of cares right now I'm not going to dwell on it.

Hi nancy. This vote is to add weight to the Robbinva-PersephoneSidekick conflict. Basically, I want them to squabble while I observe from a distance.

Town.

Sounds scummy as if instigating a fight, but townAF for honesty

that isn't a good reason to give a town read imo. The best way to seem genuine, is to actually be genuine. You can totally be genuine as scum

[Korts]

You do realize the R in rvs means random right? He voted me for a game related reasons so asking him to explain himself and make sense is appropriate.

Pretty sure the difference is that reasons are jokes; I agree with you that if her vote was serious then she should probably clarify that, but the whole point of RVS is to randomly vote someone for something that isn't alignment indicative as if it is; whether or not the vote has to do with GRC doesn't seem particularly relevant.

Uhh yeah but the moment you defend an RVS vote with "lol chill it's just an RVS vote" you invalidate the entire purpose of RVS.

Do you think Percy trying to add reason to his RVS a bit odd? Like as if he's trying hard not to make his vote scummy?

Uhh can you quote the Percy post you are referring to?

[humaneatingmonkey]

This.

Sup

VOTE: Robbnva for not voting. We must have blood.

This feels like Percy wants to blend in during RVS but he wants to make his RVS the least suspicious so he throws in a little reason on it.

Kinda felt like Robb was into something. Curious to why he didn't want to pursue it just because there's "limited posts and lack of cares right now." (Just because we're in the RVS stage, I guess.)

[Dark Horse]

I actually think PS' second response to robb is scummier

Dude, it's RVS; why are you expecting me to make sense?

This sounds unusually defensive for this early in the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

For me, it's only more scummy after the fact.

[Dark Horse]

What do you mean?

[massive]

Welp I'm all for an early wagon.

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

I'll save my "Vorts: Korts" joke for later.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: PersephoneSidekick

Just helping the wagon along.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Fuck I am gonna get roasted so hard this game.

@robbnva I'm not really sure why you're reading Persephone's vote as non-RVS? Unless I'm misreading you here saying "we must have blood" seems pretty obviously a joke to me and you seem to have missed that entirely; is there some reason why you expect that kind of reasoning to be serious? I can see how you might read her as backtracking there if you did take her initial vote on you for not posting seriously but you don't seem to have brought that up; don't really get why you reiterate yourself in 16 without taking into account that she's said it was an RVS vote or why her not making sense is your main sticking point here if she is out of RVS.

@Persephone don't entirely see what you're doing here to get out of RVS if that's what you're genuinely trying to do; robbnva's issue with you seems to be that he thought your vote on him for not voting was something you actually found scummy, rather than an RVS vote; you don't seem to have made much effort to correct that misconception. Unless that actually was the case I'm a little confused by your approach here overall.

Basically I voted for the first stupid reason I could think of because it seemed better than literally no reason. Robbnva then argued for some reason so I decided I could either awkwardly apologize or keep pushing and see if his reaction would be useful. Then people started voting me and so I realized I was inadvertently helping us out of RVS after all.

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[PersephoneSidekick]

Stupid keyboard; disregard that t there

[PersephoneSidekick]

Also, please stop calling me "he"

[Robbnva]

I didn't argue anything actually. I asked you a simple question.

You chose to use something game related to vote me, asking you to explain your vote is perfectly acceptable response.

you claim it was rvs, but according to my definition of rvs, it wasn't.

Also I don't really buy the whole "see if his reaction would be useful" because you have to have a familiarity with me to know how I would react as town and scum, and you don't.

my apologies for calling you he, I have issues with pronouns all the time. I will try not to make that mistake again.

There hasn't been enough from you to determine if you are scum or town yet, so I won't put you at L-1 but you are definitely on my radar. Let's see if your play improves.

[massive]

VOTE: Robbnva

Well there's no need to be condescending.

[Tchill13]

I didn't argue anything actually. I asked you a simple question.

You chose to use something game related to vote me, asking you to explain your vote is perfectly acceptable response.

you claim it was rvs, but according to my definition of rvs, it wasn't.

Also I don't really buy the whole "see if his reaction would be useful" because you have to have a familiarity with me to know how I would react as town and scum, and you don't.

my apologies for calling you he, I have issues with pronouns all the time. I will try not to make that mistake again.

There hasn't been enough from you to determine if you are scum or town yet, so I won't put you at L-1 but you are definitely on my radar. Let's see if your play improves.

Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

VOTE: robbnva

[Robbnva]

such an odd vote switch especially for such a terrible reason. for somebody who is "all for an early wagon" you sure hopped off pretty quickly.

so i'll take your spot since she isn't at l-2 anymore


VOTE: PS

[Robbnva]

Honestly I feel like the reason for the wagon building on them right now is pretty stupid.

coming from the guy who was just helping the wagon along...

why did you join it if you thought the reason for it was stupid?