Micro 735: Greater Idea (Day 2 Begins)

[Chickadee]

Vote keychain

Sparkles is an easy target to vote in order to look like you're scumhunting.

As is Keychain

[Chickadee]

That is quite a confident statement vonflare. And it doesn't sit quite right with me for some reason.

At work right now, but will be around tonight

[Chickadee]

Joined this game because I expected the playerlist to not be regrettable.

I..hope not to let you down?

VOTE: Chickadee

Why?


Also, creature is in my town pile.

[Chickadee]

Chickadee, could you explain your Creature townread?

Sure

It admittedly is not a strong town read, and is mostly based on play style, so don't hold me to this.

From my experience playing with creature, he hates rolling scum and is disinterested. Given the choice, as he very well could have been in this set-up, I believe he'd pick town. He's active in the game so far which is indicative of town!Creature. Just my initial observation.

[Chickadee]

I'm willing to trust chick's read on creature

Why?

[Chickadee]

@Chickadee: At the time of post 21, how was Keychain an easy target to vote to make it appear as if one was scumhunting? From my perspective the wagon was baseless and random.

At the time there wasn't much of significance going on, and I thought both were easy targets since they were mainly the only ones in the game at that point.

[Chickadee]

They're not complaining about how long it was. They're asking what the point of it was.

[Chickadee]

no, this happens in every game of great idea and its variants. someone makes a giant wall of text explaining the probability of each role corresponding to each person, ultimately resulting in no important information due to WIFOM.

Why I was just content to ignore it.

[Chickadee]

I understand that Keychain was an easy wagon to hop on at the time, but how would that make it appear as if the voter was scumhunting? To me, a vote on a random wagon is just a vote on a random wagon.

Is anything really random though? A choice was still made. It could mean nothing, or it could mean something. I don't really care to speculate not this further because I don't think it's going to get us anywhere at this moment. Maybe later for associations.

[Chickadee]

I'm not liking Keychain's defense of Kairyuu.

@Keychain - why are you jumping to defend them?

[Chickadee]

You've entirely avoided my actual question to focus on an opinion I expressed alongside it. Once again, how would adding to Keychain's wagon at the time make a player appear to be scumhunting? This is the crux of my issue with your post.

This line of inquiry just doesn't interest me. I'm having trouble staying focused on it, because it bores me so much.

What am I being defended from precisely? WhyMafia wasn't even addressing me. He asked me a question yesterday, which I also answered yesterday, and was then addressing Vax today.

My point was really more that Keychain hadn't been addressed at all.

[Chickadee]

But in case that's why you've been standing off to one side, I'll address you:
You are not voting anyone currently, and you've also never voted anyone, and you also haven't really taken too much of a stance at all and we're more than halfway through the day. We need a lynch. Who is your top pick for scum, Chick? What about town?

But in case that's why you've been standing off to one side, I'll address you:
You are not voting anyone currently, and you've also never voted anyone, and you also haven't really taken too much of a stance at all and we're more than halfway through the day. We need a lynch. Who is your top pick for scum, Chick? What about town?

I tend to be a cautious voter. I vote when I'm ready, so don't rush me.
I'm TRing Creature and Vonflare and have a town lean on Screenplay.
For scum, I would be fine with you Keychain, you've been kind of off to me so far. Not seeing anything real solid yet.

[Chickadee]

I'll accept that you don't vote needlessly, but I've been trying to generate some activity so I can get reads. I find it suspect that you haven't gotten anything solid out of the content it's produced, and even more so that you haven't done a lot to get something solid. Town is trying to find the answer.

Scum already knows

. It's scummy that you aren't trying to sort.
Can you elaborate on "kind of off"? What is your townread of Creature based on?

It's been a kind of crazy week for me. I was swamped at work, then quit my job. Then Saturdays are always bad for me because I have standing plans that happen every single week. And I've had some person IRL stuff going on that has been more pressing than this game. Later today I have to work my other job (now my only job). So yea, I haven't been here much. That will change starting tomorrow (real life day).

To the bolded. No, they my not. And they don't know if they know. Because this set up might very well be multi ball, and no one knows wether it is or not until we start seeing flips. So you're wrong there.

I've talked about my town read on creature. I feel like the only questions being asked of me are things I've already answered.

[Chickadee]

Naw, Vonfalre is town, look at his discard.

Reading back through this is pinging me.

Von is not lock town. No one is lock town. Giving up Alien Vanillaizer does not make someone lock town in this set up because you don't know what else they were dealt. It entirely possible his other role was werewolf, or mafia and chose one of those for a better chance at having partners.

Then on page two you ask screenplay for a claim because you want to lynch them.

Then your very next post, you vote Von.

None of this is making sense.

VOTE: vax

[Chickadee]

Chickadee, do you know im voting vonflare?

Then your very next post, you vote Von.

Ummm.....yes?

At post 19 there was nothing to work with and I thought discards were a good place to start, and I was not interested in voting von... he proved me wrong however.

You changed your vote over that?

I need to think about this.

Also, you are the first person I have voted for.

[Chickadee]

Chick, I said he was town. not fucking lock town. Town. I gave him a town read for his discard, you are making things up by saying he was LOCK town. Your getting weird on me.

Like can you explain the scum motivation for what I did? Call someone town, then go after them when I change my mind?

I just went back to reread. I guess I misread. But I still don't like your whole interaction.

You went from Von is town, to saying someone else was scummy, to voting von.

[Chickadee]

One possibility. The whole thing just seems off to me.

[Chickadee]

Why Von Chick

?

I'm voting Vax

I TR Von.

[Chickadee]

OHHH

you mean Whymafia

I thought you were asking me a question

Ah, I thought the same thing earlier.

[Chickadee]

I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.

[Chickadee]

I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.

So you either a seer or a wolf. If you were any other scummy alignment this claim puts you out there too much to get killed by a wolf (if they exist).

I say we keep her alive and see what kind of NK's we got. Do NK's have flavor attached to them? If wolves are out there they will want her dead, if shes alive and there is wolf NK flavor then kill her.

While I agree with this plan, it also sets me up to be a given mislynch. All wolves have to do is keep me alive one night. But it's still a good plan. If I do live, I can at least find out if someone is a wolf or not. It will either be a guilty or a semi-clear on someone.

@mulch, you realize pretty much anything can be in god game due to the set up, right? How are you so confident that here are no wolves?

[Chickadee]

I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.

Bullshit claim, it is a non confirmable claim that you will never be caught on, because the vast majority if not all of us here are not werewolves

[Chickadee]

And I chose this role because it was better than tourist, who compulsively visits someone each night and does nothing

[Chickadee]

the claim is super safe

I disagree.

As it was stated, if there are werewolves, they now want me dead. I've made myself a target.

[Chickadee]

the claim is super safe

I disagree.

As it was stated, if there are werewolves, they now want me dead. I've made myself a target.

Do you not know what I mean by "safe"?

Do you know what you meant by "safe"?

I just don't see my claim as being all that safe. I get that you think it may or may not be provable (and yes, there is a low likelihood of proving my role), but that doesn't make it safe.

[Chickadee]

By that standard though, given the setup, everything is safe.

[Chickadee]

Please become surer in the next 7 hours if you can

Could be seer and no wolves yeah. Means there's no way to check if her claim is legit though, like Mulch (I think) said - she can just claim anyone is not a wolf and she's pretty likely to be correct.

If I do live, I can at least find out if someone is a wolf or not. It will either be a guilty or a semi-clear on someone.

It's barely a clear at all. Like a tracker no visit - just because they didn't carry out the kill doesn't mean they're not scum. It's only really useful if it gets a guilty.

I think the chance of her being scum is high, and the potential loss of a seer is not dealbreaking enough to prefer a different lynch.

I did say SEMI-CLEAR. As in, we would know that person isn't a wolf.


Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.

[Chickadee]

Yes, very much so. I don't have many scum games, but the ones I do have, two of them are perfect scum wins, and one I had replaced into a slot that was obvscum and about to be lynched and I survived 2 more days.

[Chickadee]

I just have a hard time getting into the swing of things as town.

[Chickadee]

I just have a hard time getting into the swing of things as town.

So... if you hypothetically had the choice... you would discard a town role in preference of a scum role?

I can relate to not being able to get into the swing of things, as a general rule. I'm pretty fecking awkward. But it's not a good reason not to lynch you. Sorry.

We've less than five hours left. If you're around, do you mind giving your thoughts on each of the eight players that aren't you? Can be as long or short as you like. What has stood out about their play? Which way are you leaning on them?


Also
people

Deadline is rapidly approaching and a no lynch would be really bad

I would have much preferred to be any of the scum factions. But I was dealt two town roles.

And doing the work of listing out what I think of all the slots seems really pointless when y'all are going to lynch me anyway. But I'll do it. It's not going to help you, since I don't have much to say.

Please no one hammer me while I fulfill this one request.

[Chickadee]

Keychain - scum lean. gut
vonflare - Town feels. I like where he's pushing and questioning things.
Vaxkiller - Possible scum? interactions seem forced and awkward.
Creature - Town - seems invested in the game. This read is mostly gut.
WhyMafia - null
Agent Sparkles - null
Mulch - Might be scum....he used a paragraph...
Srceenplay - town lean? Gut


Like I said, not a lot of help to y'all. My gut does you no good.

[Chickadee]

Creature I've talked about. In my experience, creature is largely uninvested as scum. He's even said that he doesn't like scum. He seems invested here, and given the set up, he very well could have had a choice in his alignment. He's in my town pile until given a reason not to be.

Vax, I just feel like his play has been clunky. His reads change too quickly and without explanation or questions.

[Chickadee]

Creature doesn't seem hugely invested to me but okay.

What do you think about Vax suddenly trying to stop your lynch?

PEdit: case in point...

It does give him some town points in my book.

He's one of the few that have been looking at my claim rationally I think. But there's still a lot of other odd interactions there.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Keychain

@Keychain I get that you don't want a no lynch, and I wouldn't either. I don't think my lynch particularly helps town though. Why are you pushing for my lynch so hard?

[Chickadee]

Well, I'm at L-2.....

[Chickadee]

But please don't lynch me?

[Chickadee]

Creature vote keychain with us.

[Chickadee]

Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.

You said this exact line when you were scum with me.

We've never had a scum game together

[Chickadee]

Soon I gotta sleep and my vote is locking in.

Keychain.

[Chickadee]

Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.

You said this exact line when you were scum with me.

We've never had a scum game together

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72291


They were scum, I was town, they are acting the exact same way.

Check out my lynchbait history though for real. You will not be disappointed.

[Chickadee]

Mulch, stop. Sparkles is not the lynch. Game after game you prove unwilling to work with anyone. You get tunneled. Your reasoning for Sparkles is awful. Just because they discarded a role you would have liked does not mean they picked a scum role.

[Chickadee]

Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.

He very well could be.

I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.

[Chickadee]

Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.

He very well could be.

I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.

What did you think of his walls, and why do you think I'm tunneled, and more importantly why do you think tunneling is scummy for me? What about my reason do you disagree with?

I think his walls were a way of trying to look busy, and I had him sorted as null. I think you tried to damn me for claiming what I did, and when it didn't work you went back to pushing sparkles.

I never said tunneling is scummy

for you.

I think that your tunneling here its scummy.

However, Keychain is a higher priority for me.

[Chickadee]

Stop asking me the same question over and over.

You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else. All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.

Who are you TRing?

[Chickadee]

I'm soon going.

Do you intend to do anything before going? Or are you just announcing it?

[Chickadee]

If I die, please pay special attention to Key and Mulch. They're my biggest scum reads right now. They both need to die.

[Chickadee]

Creature, Chicadee said my tunneling was scummy. I asked why, and she responded that I should stop "asking her these questions."

Draw your own conclusions.

That is not exactly how that went down and you know it.

Stop twisting things.

[Chickadee]

I told you to stop because I've talked about it.

Now answer mine. Should be easy. You quoted it.

[Chickadee]

Now answer mine

You never asked me anything lol

YOU FUCKING QUOTED IT

WHO ARE YOU TOWN READING?!?!

[Chickadee]

Vote Key


I'm stepping away now, out of frustration.

[Chickadee]

Mulch, I told you Sparkles was town. Your logic was extremely flawed.

What.
Maybe Sparkles got it?

That is 100% something Chicadee would do

I got role blocked last night.

[Chickadee]

I tried to check Keychain, and got back that I was unable to get a result. I suppose roleblockling isn't the only thing it could have been, but it's most likely.

[Chickadee]

And after the Von flip, I know I'm an easy push for mislynch.

[Chickadee]

Chick: You are still my very favourite lynch, yes. But the day has just started!

Let's not get jammed up against deadline again though.

[Chickadee]

Yes. Please do. It's much preferred so you don't fall behind.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: WhyMafia


Gut

[Chickadee]

So Chick

I have some issues with your behaviour at the end of the day.

Agent Sparkles - null

Mulch, stop. Sparkles is not the lynch. Game after game you prove unwilling to work with anyone. You get tunneled. Your reasoning for Sparkles is awful. Just because they discarded a role you would have liked does not mean they picked a scum role.

Stop asking me the same question over and over.

You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else. All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.

Who are you TRing?

Mulch, I told you Sparkles was town. Your logic was extremely flawed.

I ctrl+F'd "sparkles".

Did you get the IC announcement without telling anyone or something? You were null when I asked!

Also why did you become certain I was scum, and why are you not certain today?

I'll go through later to check the timing wrt vonflare's last minute push.

I thought your push on me yesterday seemed like the easy place to be pushing.
And it wasn't so much that I was TRing Sparkles. I wasn't SRing him, and Mulch's logic for SRing him was poor. So there were better lynches to be had yesterday.


I haven't crossed you off my scum list. As far as I'm concerned anyone could still be scum. No one is cleared for me.


_____

So I just went through and looked at Why, to follow up on my gut read. At the beginning of the day he voted for Von. It seemed like an RVS vote. Then the rest of the day he said he's TRing Von based on gut, and when asked about it basically keeps saying "No reason, can't explain, it's just gut" Like it feel like he goes out of his way to assure us it's a gut read.

[Chickadee]

For today, I'm fine with a WhyMafia, or a Keychain lynch.

[Chickadee]

The gut reads is not a similarity that is lost on me. But it seemed like Why took every chance he got to keep pointing out that it's a gut read, and theres nothing attached to it. I go with my gut read but then look to see what I was seeing and just not registering.

Why on earth would I not back a lynch that wasn't me? I was scum reading you, i said it earlier in the day. So yes, of course I'd push that where I thought I could.

[Chickadee]

He hasn't posted yet today. irrelevant.


And of course reads change. We've had 3 flips. I'm more concerned that yours seemingly haven't.

Your pushing me is bad.

[Chickadee]

I'll accept that

[Chickadee]

I told you it's hard for me to get invested D1. Now I'm in this. And I'm feeling sassy.

And I spoke about it toward the end of yesterday. I said Vax was getting town points in my book for stopping my lynch. It's irrelevant because I've already talked about were I stand with him. He's in my town leans.

And all I know for sure is that you're not mafia.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Psuedo vote: Chicadee

[Chickadee]

Sassy is good!

I said Vax was getting town points in my book for stopping my lynch. It's irrelevant because I've already talked about were I stand with him. He's in my town leans.

If I had better meme game I'm sure I could make this funnier, but what??
You scumread me for trying to get you lynched and you switch from a scumlean to a townlean on Vax because he tried to stop it?
That's... I don't want to say shallow, but not very thoughtful? Scum can try and stop mislynches just as often as town. Maybe less likely in multiball, but it's still a pretty shoddy reason for a change in read.

That is an over simplification of my read.

Vax is one of the only ones that seemed to look at my claim with any logic. It's about what lead him to stop wanting to lynch me.

[Chickadee]

He didn't seem to care about yesterday's deadline.

I agree that WhyMafia is a good lynch today. My preferred lynch.

But your reasoning is awful.

Please let me keep town reading you

[Chickadee]

I disagree. I think most people looked at it with logic. Believing it doesn't make it more logical. Claims in this game are kind of meh for preventing a lynch.

That's me for now. There's already too much material for the other three to catch up on, and I need to reread day 1. Particularly that last stretch, which could not have happened at a worse time for me.

I realyl dont get the feeling that most people looked at it with logic. If they did, they surely didn't comment to show it. Mulch at the very least was pretty vocal saying it's unverifiable and to lynch me anyway. That's not exactly logical. Lots of roles are unverifiable. Yours is equally unverifiable. Even more so than mine if theres no doctor.

[Chickadee]

Or are you just going with the assumption that anyone who disbelieved your claim is scum and anyone who believed it is town? Because I'm sorry, but that's what it looks like.

It's not about not believing the claim, it's that you wanted to lynch me before the claim, and instead of looking at it and questioning, the game pretty much said "Yeah nah...lynch it anyways." That's a huge problem on this site. People make a big fuss about not lynching without claims, but by the point it's acceptable to claim, people are already set in the lynch and committed to it. Claims are worth nothing.


And I feel fine where my vote is right now. Why do you have WhyMafia as town?

[Chickadee]

That was really amusing. Thanks for taking the time to compile it.

[Chickadee]

I almost kind of want to be lynched now, just to see everyone's reaction after you making that HUGE ASS wall post.














lmao

[Chickadee]

Are u a jester chic? behonest

I'm a seer, I already told you.

[Chickadee]

Chick, one question in particular for you: why do you think you're an easy mislynch after the von flip?

Are you kidding?


It was a last minute push and Von ended up flipping mafia. And towns on this site are bad. So so bad.

[Chickadee]

btw I won't be around tomorrow. Letting you know, before Keychain accuses me of not being around for a chunk of time (which is NAI btw).


A lot of your case rests on me being extremely uninvested for a large part of D1. And a townread on Creature.

Those things are NAI.

[Chickadee]

I know it's selfish but I really want to lynch the fucker that took away my vote lol

JK Wasn't me

[Chickadee]

@Keychain, are you new? I see your join date but like....you don't have many posts.

[Chickadee]

I'm out for the night! See y'all later ~

[Chickadee]

To be clear, Igor back that I was unable to get a result. My first assumption was role blocked. But as it's been pointed out, it also could have been a jail keeper.

[Chickadee]

I wasn't "obvious scum" lol


Also the fact I couldn't vote made me look townier

When you first subbed in, I thought to myself, mulch is scum. But no one else seemed to, and it was at a point when I was still really uninvested, so I didn't push it.

Keychain, your push on me was really bad. Your case largely involved me being uninvested much of D1. What you read as scummy was me trying to force myself to get into the game.

I had Vax and Mulch as scum. Vonflare fooled me.

[Chickadee]

And I was right about Creature.

[Chickadee]

This is what happens when you play a single newbie game, go away for a couple years, and then don't make an alt when you come back to reflect the date you actually started playing.

I actually relate a lot. My join date says 2011. I played a single newbie game, site flaked because I didn't like the vibe here (preferred playing somewhere else), and came back fairly recently.


But keep playing.

[Chickadee]

Well done werewolves!

I actually relate a lot. My join date says 2011. I played a single newbie game, site flaked because I didn't like the vibe here (preferred playing somewhere else), and came back fairly recently.


But keep playing.

I know I looked into your background when you said you were lynchbait. You've got plenty of mafia experience though right? I've got like... none.

Yea, I played for a number of years somewhere else. The pace was a lot different there.