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[MarioManiac4]

Okay then NTRP. Why do you townread Flavor?

[NotTheRealPaul]

already said why

[MarioManiac4]

Im kinda rethinking my mario read rn. Because I was looking back and I felt like too much of my reasons to tr him were based off others reads. And FL has begun to actually post and I like what content he has made.

I am starting to actually see a Mario, Thor, Una potential team by where all their pushes are going. They are trying to stay distant from each other, yet all their pushes push the same agenda without incriminating the others directly. Mario takes RB's side with Thor, but obviously something is keeping Thor from being lynched. Thor is setting a Dunker/Flavor mislynch chain up, which wouldn't give much information, while Una tunnels on Eddie, a player who was pushing Thor with Rb, but MM4 already has RB. They're controlling the whole game. It's why we're in this standstill.

This post made a hell of a lot of sense to mex Like it just kinda rang tru.

VOTE: Mario

so your townread on them is based on "i like the content" and a post filled with bullshit makes "a hell of a lot of sense"

Okay.
So now you get to explain that.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

[Thor665]

@Mario - still looking for your definition of 'reachy'.

I find Eddie's attack on frog really weak, and I find frog's defense probably even weaker a bunch of 'yeah, maybe I'm doing this weak stuff BUT SO ARE YOU!' defenses are...meh at best whether or not they are true (and I would say easily half are true, but still - if someone is scum part of your issue with them SHOULDN'T be stuff you are also doing).

I still find frog clinging to his Eddie/Thor combo to be an odd position. It is either scum with a strategy or town filled with intense paranoia. I tend to lean the former due to the weird interlude where he was trying to browbeat me for not cooperating with Eddie to explain my scumreads to him - I don't think that behavior makes much sense at all for someone who claims Eddie and I are scum independently and also make sense as partners doing scum theatre because who bothers to try to help scum work through their theatre?

Literally the only thing stopping me from leaping onto the frog wagon at this stage is that Eddie's votes and reliability are about as functional as a forgetful goldfish, and also I will admit a slight bit of toe curling on the timing of Eddie's issues with frog.

That said, at this stage, I support seeing more votes on Dunker or frog.

I will note that LITERALLY THE BEST DEFENSE OFFERED FOR DUNKERS THUS FAR IS THAT SOMEONE HAS NO READ ON HIM YET.
Think about that for a moment and ask yourself why I'm having to field accusations of not accomplishing enough yet in this game.

[Thor665]

And hot damn, now we have a Paul vote too, it's like Christmas for Thor's scumreads! Someone should vote FL and give me options!

[MarioManiac4]

Reachy is basically trying to find something that isn't there.

[Thor665]

Wouldn't then literally every act of scumhunting on town be reachy by your definition?

[MarioManiac4]

Well, no. Most things make sense; even if they don't mean the person is Mafia, either there is a value to the point that makes the player more likely to be Mafia, or there is a point even if it isn't actually scum-indicative. But reachy things aren't to be accurate at all, because the player was reaching for something that would be scummy. Hopefully that makes more sense.

[Thor665]

Only scum make reachy cases? Town always have definitive evidence of everything they push?

Pushing something that lacks any functional evidence sounds pretty close to what you're describing - no?

[Thor665]

Above is all @Mario - the wavmode quote is to settle a false dichotomy claim for myself.

[NotTheRealPaul]

*shrug*

thought processes are scummy?

[NotTheRealPaul]

oops wrong site. :smiek: is code for a smirk emoji on another site. and there its used jokinglyk. so if u smirk its understood ur mostly joking.

looool

[MarioManiac4]

Not really. There's no conclusive evidence in most points, but there's always a possible stream of thought, and it's always considered somewhat of a likelihood. Reachy cases are more based on far-flung possibilities while acting like they're actual cases? Idk it's hard to define.

[NotTheRealPaul]

faaaaak english is hard.

[MarioManiac4]

*shrug*

thought processes are scummy?

No, a lack of thought processes and saying "I like X" is scummy. Hence why I want you to explain why you like him and what about his case you agree with.

[Thor665]

Not really. There's no conclusive evidence in most points, but there's always a possible stream of thought, and it's always considered somewhat of a likelihood. Reachy cases are more based on far-flung possibilities while acting like they're actual cases? Idk it's hard to define.

What is your take on frog's Eddie/Thor pairing- do you find that reachy?
You seem to not find him scummy nor to town read me or Eddie currently, but I find his case to require a lot of squinting to go with.

[Thor665]

Like, when frog is asked why the pairing he's arguing for makes sense and his response every time is 'why don't they make sense?' it makes *my* toes curl, why doesn't it curl yours?

[NotTheRealPaul]

i had thoughts. u simply didnt think they were enough.

idk how else to really put it except that i liked flavours case and it made sness to me. llike the part about the scumteam kinda keeping the gamestate standstillush/preventing any real lynch from happening just clicked(?h

I like him because his content makes sense. WHAT ELSE DO U WANT FROM ME. I didnt dislike him before he started content I was mostly nullreading as he hadnt pisted much. But recently he has been more active and his content makes sense.

like do u want me to go post by post saying "i agree with this" "this makes sense" etc?

why does gr get a free pass on this though?

[NotTheRealPaul]

fak my english is bad

back to apush. if u have more questions gimme another half hour to hour when i take my next break

[MarioManiac4]

I haven't really seen that. Frog had you and Eddie as scumreads, and he says he doesn't think Eddie and Thor should be disqualified as a scumteam. In that case, yes, the burden of proof is on the person who says they can't be scumbuddies.

[Thor665]

By the thin logic that anyone making a claim is the one obligated to back it - frog has made the claim that what we did could be scum theatre.
Shouldn't he then be obligated to back that up?

[Thor665]

u think thor vs eddie was scum theatre?

I think it could well have been. Make town despondent by having two players argue inconsequentially and distract from discussion that might be productive. Certainly there is nothing to say they cannot be scum together.

Like, this is his case.
Thor: "Hey, Eddie, let's you and I argue to make town sad!"
Eddie: "Okay, I'll make up stuff on you and have town believe it, and only *after* town starts believing it should you bother to point out that it's stupid violently enough to actually get everyone to start ignoring my pushes, because that will help our chances by distancing us from each other yet destroying both of our credabilities for town!"
Thor: "Fucking brilliant!"

[MarioManiac4]

Not really? That's the default state; of course, there's a chance both you and Eddie rolled scum, and if someone wanted me to remove that possibility, I'd certainly need evidence to make me do it.

pedit: I don't feel like he's actually making any associative case here. He's just not ruling anything out. I could argue that position with you but then I'd be defending an argument I don't really agree with; in any case I don't think it's scum-indicative.

[Thor665]

You consider the default state for all players to be scum and anyone making a non-scum argument to be the one obligated to make a case?

[Thor665]

I don't think it's scum-indicative.

What about my point about his interactions with me and Eddie later in the game?
I consider that scum indicative, do you?