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[MarioManiac4]

And no, FL doesn't say it better. You're making huge logical leaps. I outlined the problems in 2447 and you just pointed me back to the post I had problems with in the first post.

[Game Replacement]

Mario, it feels like you're trying to mis lynch NTRP while still being able to have reason to lynch Leaf.
Who do you Scum read more of out wave leaf and NTRP because right now other than my Scum result I got on you last night, you scumming up the game!

[MarioManiac4]

At this point, NTRP.

And let's not pretend that having multiple scumreads is lining up lynches because that's silly.

[NotTheRealPaul]

u never really pushed those reads. id argue i pushed wave just as much if not more than u.

i havent been "sitting back" I tried to consolidate votes by trying to figure out who was off the tablefor everyone, and pushed wave for a while.

i can understand not being a mediator, im not too good in that role either but that doesnt help u.

i'll look back at 2447 later. i havent slept and its 6 am here (yay ap classes!) and i have to do act prep today plus orientation and more back to school shit. pretty much im not gonna have much time for this thread today and maybe tommorrow as well. not quite a vla but kinda close.

[MarioManiac4]

What the fuck do you mean all you did was vote wave you didn't push him for shit

[MarioManiac4]

Like "OH YOU AREN'T MEDIATING" is not a reason to scumread someone

it's literally a fucking playstyle issue

[MarioManiac4]

finding out who people have off the table doesn't help to consolidate votes, what helps consolidate votes is actually giving reasons and pushing people. like if x says "i dont want to lynch ntrp", is that going to make me unvote? no. if there is enough numbers to make a lynch impossible it will just be evident.

[Game Replacement]

At this point, NTRP.

And let's not pretend that having multiple scumreads is lining up lynches because that's silly.

Why is that silly?
It's more the order of your priority that I'm concerned on. If you're town, youre letting ego be your choice.
If you're Scum (you are 9/10 times) then you're preparing to lynch another tomorrow.

[Game Replacement]

Mario Scum \o/

[MarioManiac4]

I fail to see the correlation between "MM4 is scumreading multiple people" and "MM4 is lining up lynches"

Like I would be more concerned if someone DIDN'T have multiple scumreads and only had one

[Game Replacement]

More votes on Mario please.

[MarioManiac4]

are you actually going to do this literally every game

[Game Replacement]

Are you going act Scum literally every game?
Vote rb with me if you want. Otherwise I'll sit here.

[Thor665]

I don't think Frog is claiming scum-theatre, I think he's claiming scum theatre is POSSIBLE between two individual scumreads.

If you read his posts you would find he is claiming the opposite of that. Like he did here the very first time I asked him about it;

In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you

He is saying we are having scum/scum arguments. He is claiming scum theatre. You are handwaving his need to justify it even though you agree with me that it really doesn't look like scum theatre at all, yet you are okay with him doing so/aren't reading him enough to understand that's what he's saying even though he is one of your few town reads.
Why?

[MarioManiac4]

I think he's referring to one bit there. I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates.

[Thor665]

Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.

@Mario - I will note another time of frog AGREEING with my understanding of what he is saying.

I will note that I don't think he has justified how we make sense as partners in any way at all, but that's another matter.

So you're arguing a stance that both I *AND* frog disagree with.


Are you not reading frog?
Whassup here?
Why the dance?

[Thor665]

I think he's referring to one bit there. I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates.

What 'one bit' do you think he's referring to?
I don't care what he thinks he's referring to for the purpose of this conversation.

[Game Replacement]

Vote him, Thor! \o/

[MarioManiac4]

Eh, I think that's referring to scumreading you both individually. I'll just wait for frog to clarify then.

"I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates." was me saying I don't know what bit he's referring to. Sorry if that was unclear.

[Thor665]

Vote him, Thor! \o/

Your case is made of air and heat, and my case would currently require frog to be scum, so...I'd never vote Mario first unless I started playing as bad as rb thinks I do.
What is your town read on Dunkerdoodles about?
And if you don't have one, why aren't you voting him yet?

Eh, I think that's referring to scumreading you both individually. I'll just wait for frog to clarify then.

If you click on my links you can read them in full context and it would require a LOT of brain and word twisting to make them about us being scum separately.
Is that how you read them?

[MarioManiac4]

Yes, that's how I read them. I believe he's saying something along the lines of "I was scumreading you individually and I don't see enough reasoning to exclude you from being a scumteam."

[Thor665]

Even though

No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
Are you calling Eddie really terrible, or are you saying that was good play for scumbuddies?

Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.

Here is the full quote in context.
The exact question I'm asking him is how do you avoid backing up Thor/Eddie as a team.
To which his answer is - that is my job, and I have done it, but it's your job to back up suggesting you aren't (and I see that you did, and find the answers interesting but won't change my reads blah blah blah).

[Thor665]

He is blatantly responding to us as a team question, not us as individuals who might have had a TvS interaction.
In the other quote he *specifically* cites a SvS argument.

He is not doing what you claim he is doing.
You are making it up to support your current stance.
Does this revelation affect any of your current stances?

[Thor665]

Things went very quiet, so I'll even show my hand and admit all I really want is an admission that frog is peddling a scum team that h is ducking explaining how they work, while being aware there are issues with them being a team, which is kind of a big deal considering he's peddling a team.

It's actually the core of my frog issue, frankly.

So maybe "all" I'm hoping for is a total reverse from anyone town reading frog, but...hey.

[Game Replacement]

What is your town read on Dunkerdoodles about?
And if you don't have one, why aren't you voting him yet?

Dunker is not an important player to me when I have Scum Mario and rb.
You can play as bad as your heart desires, as long as we Lynch Scum Mario.