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[MarioManiac4]

when he's scum he votes me because I can read him like a book.

^By this he means that he's never scumread me correctly.

[MarioManiac4]

One does not need a defence against something that is not an attack.

[MarioManiac4]

Also, who's scum, Mario?

Great question! How about you go and try and find the answer?

[MarioManiac4]

I want something that can locktown you so I can go chase flavor leaf or someone.

[MarioManiac4]

MM4 is slipping from TR status atm

[MarioManiac4]

You should already be doing that regardless of Vedith

Well yes. I've stated support for lynching Flavor Leaf. But I primarily want clears/townreads right now.

pedit: Its not really possible for my play to get worse

[MarioManiac4]

would consider lynching in
Eddie Cane
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles
Game Replacement
wavemode
Thor665

anyone outside that is a fuck no although there's probably scum in there and it's hard to distinct between scum in my townleans and actual town tbh

on that note
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

post on unabombah is v/ bad

[MarioManiac4]

It's reachy.

[MarioManiac4]

Wavemode are you
a) making a false dichotomy
b) incapable of agreeing with anything I say

[MarioManiac4]

Not having definitive reasoning =/= reachy

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Mario

His last post is pushing a ridiculous amount of scum agenda, and directly chainsaw defends Una. On top of how I was just conversing with rb, Mario is essentially scum claiming.

Well shit I just got caught

[MarioManiac4]

"His last post is pushing a ridiculous amount of scum agenda, and directly chainsaw defends Una."
read: mm4 attacked a reachy post that attacked a townread and i want to spin that to my una!scum agenda

"Mario is essentially scum claiming." is just fake like i'm not sure any other word adequately describes it

[MarioManiac4]

Mario takes RB's side with Thor, but obviously something is keeping Thor from being lynched.

which obviously means mm4 is preventing a thor lynch with magic /(.)\

[MarioManiac4]

calling my vote "rolefishing" is again shit
like i vote because of a terrible case and he just says "oh you're SETTING UP TO ROLEFISH"
all he's doing is putting a spin on my posts to make them fit his "theory"

[MarioManiac4]

Im kinda rethinking my mario read rn. Because I was looking back and I felt like too much of my reasons to tr him were based off others reads. And FL has begun to actually post and I like what content he has made.

I am starting to actually see a Mario, Thor, Una potential team by where all their pushes are going. They are trying to stay distant from each other, yet all their pushes push the same agenda without incriminating the others directly. Mario takes RB's side with Thor, but obviously something is keeping Thor from being lynched. Thor is setting a Dunker/Flavor mislynch chain up, which wouldn't give much information, while Una tunnels on Eddie, a player who was pushing Thor with Rb, but MM4 already has RB. They're controlling the whole game. It's why we're in this standstill.

This post made a hell of a lot of sense to mex Like it just kinda rang tru.

VOTE: Mario

i'm afraid that if you get to lylo you're going to sheep someone who says "this person is scum"

[MarioManiac4]

Tbh i really really doubt that since ive looked @ the game with that mindset - nowhere does he suck up to me or anything, he just plays the game in a way that looks really town to me, and then I gave him a hard TR and we started working together

You wouldn't fall for it if he sucked up to you, though. I'm assuming you two have experience with each other, so...

Paul is the one sucking up to you.

so what am i doing controlling rb with magical powers

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Mario

We can talk shortly rb. Write you're town case ready.
You too Mario. \o/

my towncase is that you can't read me

[MarioManiac4]

ntrp what if i told you

your townread is wrong

[MarioManiac4]

Okay then NTRP. Why do you townread Flavor?

[MarioManiac4]

Im kinda rethinking my mario read rn. Because I was looking back and I felt like too much of my reasons to tr him were based off others reads. And FL has begun to actually post and I like what content he has made.

I am starting to actually see a Mario, Thor, Una potential team by where all their pushes are going. They are trying to stay distant from each other, yet all their pushes push the same agenda without incriminating the others directly. Mario takes RB's side with Thor, but obviously something is keeping Thor from being lynched. Thor is setting a Dunker/Flavor mislynch chain up, which wouldn't give much information, while Una tunnels on Eddie, a player who was pushing Thor with Rb, but MM4 already has RB. They're controlling the whole game. It's why we're in this standstill.

This post made a hell of a lot of sense to mex Like it just kinda rang tru.

VOTE: Mario

so your townread on them is based on "i like the content" and a post filled with bullshit makes "a hell of a lot of sense"

Okay.
So now you get to explain that.

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

[MarioManiac4]

Reachy is basically trying to find something that isn't there.

[MarioManiac4]

Well, no. Most things make sense; even if they don't mean the person is Mafia, either there is a value to the point that makes the player more likely to be Mafia, or there is a point even if it isn't actually scum-indicative. But reachy things aren't to be accurate at all, because the player was reaching for something that would be scummy. Hopefully that makes more sense.

[MarioManiac4]

Not really. There's no conclusive evidence in most points, but there's always a possible stream of thought, and it's always considered somewhat of a likelihood. Reachy cases are more based on far-flung possibilities while acting like they're actual cases? Idk it's hard to define.

[MarioManiac4]

*shrug*

thought processes are scummy?

No, a lack of thought processes and saying "I like X" is scummy. Hence why I want you to explain why you like him and what about his case you agree with.

[MarioManiac4]

I haven't really seen that. Frog had you and Eddie as scumreads, and he says he doesn't think Eddie and Thor should be disqualified as a scumteam. In that case, yes, the burden of proof is on the person who says they can't be scumbuddies.

[MarioManiac4]

Not really? That's the default state; of course, there's a chance both you and Eddie rolled scum, and if someone wanted me to remove that possibility, I'd certainly need evidence to make me do it.

pedit: I don't feel like he's actually making any associative case here. He's just not ruling anything out. I could argue that position with you but then I'd be defending an argument I don't really agree with; in any case I don't think it's scum-indicative.

[MarioManiac4]

You consider the default state for all players to be scum and anyone making a non-scum argument to be the one obligated to make a case?

No, I consider the default state for it to be possible for a player to be scum.

[MarioManiac4]

I only see one example of him doing that, and I'm pretty sure he's scumreading Eddie for hypocrisy?

[MarioManiac4]

No, I don't think that's scum-indicative.

I don't think Frog is claiming scum-theatre, I think he's claiming scum theatre is POSSIBLE between two individual scumreads.

I don't think it was theatre. I guess it's technically possible, but it seems very unlikely.
I guess it could be a scum plan in the long term. But in that scenario, you would have to be thinking very long-term, and would have to be very confident in your ability to not get lynched in the meantime.
No, I don't think you look like a team.

I think Frog thinks you could be because he scumreads you both individually and may have a bias towards his individual scumreads both being correct. I don't think that he's claiming it's likely.

[MarioManiac4]

-vedith in every towngame he plays with me

[MarioManiac4]

flavor leaf/nottherealpaul/wavemode (1-2 in here, not all 3 unless they're just incredibly ballsy)/you i guess but you're less likely than those 3
+
dunkers/thor

[MarioManiac4]

So every player but you and rb?

no

[MarioManiac4]

nottherealpaul/wavemode/dunkers

this is theory numero uno

[MarioManiac4]

really there's only 5 i put gr there because he's an alternative but an unlikely one \o/

ntrp why do you have a problem with townreading me because of other people's reads and then scumread me because of other people's reads?

[MarioManiac4]

so ntrp what you think is;
I am indeed stopping Thor being lynched using

magic

and making rb do my work for me despite my mindset + reads being separate from rb's
Thor is lining up lynches of Dunkers and Flavor which doesn't give enough INFURMATION -> thor is scum with mm4 and rb????????
una is attacking eddie who was helping Rb who MM4 has pocketed -> scumteam somehow?????

And because of this scum has TOTAL CONTROL and that means the game is stagnating because scum definitely wouldn't use control to push mislynches?????????????????
Like the position you hold seems completely inane.

[MarioManiac4]

I've been pushing my reads. I don't need to act as a mediator between people; I'm not particularly good at it.
I have pushed my SRs strongly {Mulch, wavemode, FL}
You haven't been pushing scumreads and you've 100% been "staying back"

[MarioManiac4]

And no, FL doesn't say it better. You're making huge logical leaps. I outlined the problems in 2447 and you just pointed me back to the post I had problems with in the first post.

[MarioManiac4]

At this point, NTRP.

And let's not pretend that having multiple scumreads is lining up lynches because that's silly.

[MarioManiac4]

What the fuck do you mean all you did was vote wave you didn't push him for shit

[MarioManiac4]

Like "OH YOU AREN'T MEDIATING" is not a reason to scumread someone

it's literally a fucking playstyle issue

[MarioManiac4]

finding out who people have off the table doesn't help to consolidate votes, what helps consolidate votes is actually giving reasons and pushing people. like if x says "i dont want to lynch ntrp", is that going to make me unvote? no. if there is enough numbers to make a lynch impossible it will just be evident.

[MarioManiac4]

I fail to see the correlation between "MM4 is scumreading multiple people" and "MM4 is lining up lynches"

Like I would be more concerned if someone DIDN'T have multiple scumreads and only had one

[MarioManiac4]

are you actually going to do this literally every game

[MarioManiac4]

I think he's referring to one bit there. I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates.

[MarioManiac4]

Eh, I think that's referring to scumreading you both individually. I'll just wait for frog to clarify then.

"I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates." was me saying I don't know what bit he's referring to. Sorry if that was unclear.

[MarioManiac4]

Yes, that's how I read them. I believe he's saying something along the lines of "I was scumreading you individually and I don't see enough reasoning to exclude you from being a scumteam."

[MarioManiac4]

There's actually nothing to argue against. There's just a theory, with nothing to suggest it's correct.

[MarioManiac4]

@Frog; Do you believe it to be likely Thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative or not?

@FL; But... the theory is literally unsupported. Using the word "misrep" isn't going to change that.

[MarioManiac4]

Are you referring to 2487?
Because that doesn't contain a single good point.
Rb asks for reasons Ciara is scum, I respond, and that makes me buddying Rb?
Dunkerdoodles makes a strange statement unsupported by evidence, I ask him for reasoning, and that makes me buddying Rb?
Like none of the things you are saying make logical sense.

If Mulch self-destructed multiple times... then how is it more likely that I metadived him and purposefully chose a way to get Mulch lynched over whatever other townie, instead of the event occuring naturally, as it had "multiple times"?
The logical leaps you're making here are really big and I can't see what you're filling them with.

[MarioManiac4]

It's not about responding to your "case." I can do that if you point me to any post because I don't remember being impressed by any points you made. It's about you making a really fucking strange and reachy post, and you being scum for it.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Mario

His last post is pushing a ridiculous amount of scum agenda, and directly chainsaw defends Una. On top of how I was just conversing with rb, Mario is essentially scum claiming.

Here you're pushing me as scum literally because I defended Unabombah. Like, you do realise that saying that a case on someone is bad doesn't make you scum with that person, right? And you say I'm pushing this "scum agenda"; What agenda am I pushing, then, by voting you?

[MarioManiac4]

You keep using the word "rolefishing."
I don't think it means what you think it means.

[MarioManiac4]

I played with Mulch once prior to this game. He was town and ended up deathtunneling me. He didn't get lynched for it. So that's wrong.

pedit: Sure, scum like that. Town also like that. Your point?
I definitely do see your posts as reachy. It's like PEA. Point, evidence, analysis. You have a point, a statement that states an opinion, but that's it.
I don't have anything to say about 5 people finding me scummy. Obviously there are town in there and I hope they come around. But I'm focusing on individual reasoning and trying to find scum in there.

pedit2: Is fishing for actual evidence the same as rolefishing now, then?

[MarioManiac4]

It was an early game wagon, sure. That doesn't mean there's scum on it.

[MarioManiac4]

Oh, is pushing people fishing for a role claim, then? That's interesting logic. I guess every player who isn't incredibly lurky or passive rolefishes every game, then.

[MarioManiac4]

It was an early game wagon, sure. That doesn't mean there's scum on it.

lol, okay. I see this as the wagon that had us leave early game.

Maybe it was. Doesn't actually mean anything.

pedit: Oh yes I'm DEFINITELY rolefishing by acting you to clarify logic that you're not giving. FLAVOR LEAF TOWN MVP

pedit: I have. My point is that your logic is bullshit. I've been trying to argue my point with you in case you're town, but literally all you're doing is making blank statements. You aren't actually doing shit.

I want to lynch you and/or NTRP. If you're actually town, stop doing this shit, give actual reasoning for your pushes, and then maybe it'll be possible to read you as such

[MarioManiac4]

Fuck this.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

pedit: Oooh, can you point me to some of them, please! Just to clarify, I'm not looking for blank statements, I'm looking for actual reasoning that shows that I'm doing something which is scum-indicative. Thanks

pedit2: You would literally fucking scumread me for revealing as an Innocent Child. I'm done here.

pedit3: You're saying I'm doing things, but you're not showing that I'm doing those things, and I'm not.

[MarioManiac4]

Yeah I'm voting people who scumread me with 5 people on my wagon

[MarioManiac4]

Me scumreading you isn't anything new based on your push on me. Why are you acting like it is?

[MarioManiac4]

[quote="In post 2526, Flavor Leaf"]Last ditch scum effort play. ^
HOW IS IT A FUCKING LAST DITCH SCUM PLAY
HOW AM I FUCKING "ROLEFISHING"
HOW AM I "PUSHING A SCUM AGENDA"

[MarioManiac4]

Literally all of your points are just statements.
Every single fucking post I make, you twist and spin it into a "scumtell" except that you don't even fucking say why it is this thing but apparently I'm rolefishing when I ask for reasoning or some shit?

pedit: Oh yeah sure. Act like I'm confirmed scum to avoid answering my legitimate confirms. Sure it'll work out great for you.

pedit2: So? You were saying I'm pushing people who scumread me. That is not a viable scum gameplan.

[MarioManiac4]

"You are pushing a scum agenda, because you have a scum wincon"
BRAVO
I'm scum because I'm scum. Incredible. Fucking incredible.

[MarioManiac4]

You want fucking rolefishing?
Try this. I'm a Town Novice Vigilante. And I'm going to prove it when I shoot Flavor Leaf tonight.

[MarioManiac4]

Now how about we stop this charade and vote actual scum.
Like flavor leaf. That'll be fun.

[MarioManiac4]

What's wrong with statements? Why can't statements be points? Not understanding that logic. i haven't twisted anything; you are the one who has been misrepping things. You basically just repeated the things I said about you and tried to push them onto me.

Statements can't be points because there are no evidence they're actually true. I could say that you're a goldfish who lives inside a washing machine. Doesn't make it true.

[MarioManiac4]

I can't shoot on Night 1. I thought there was a N1 Vigilante who shot SD earlier.

[MarioManiac4]

Because I can't shoot on N1 and someone who can only shoot on N1 makes sense w/ that. I didn't "assume" it- misrep by your standards I guess- I thought it was very possible.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

The day isn't really being productive. We can lynch this, and I can shoot FL tonight.

[MarioManiac4]

Chances are high I can confirm it tonight.

[MarioManiac4]

literally the only explanation i can think of is that they were all new(ish) and chose sunlit because "inactive/passive means pr" or other such reasoning

[MarioManiac4]

okay?

[MarioManiac4]

rip

[MarioManiac4]

>has a confirmable role
>gets lynched

[MarioManiac4]

It breaks my heart, but I think Mario is actually scum here.
Worrysome for my future games where he might be present, because I got the exact same read of him that I've gotten in previous games, and in those he was town even though I doubted him.

Good job on Flavor Leaf for actually enduring and pushing it through.
I would not have seen it so clearly if I hadn't just re-read Mario in my paranoia, and noticed how similar FL vs Mario is compared to Mulch vs Mario, on a larger canvas.
And we all know what happened there.
I'm glad I didn't open my mouth during any of that, I might have given him a chance to side-track.

INTENT TO HAMMER

. Mario, apparently you have already claimed, so I'm not sure if I just wait for your last reads or what?
Or do I wait for anything?

Also: I am 90% sure there is at least on scum in his wagon now that he was put on L-1.
PROBABLY NOT Flavor Leaf, but it's not completely off the table.
Wavemode, Game Replacement, NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles are IMO where we should at least start tomorrow.

What is this post
OF COURSE IT'S SIMILAR TO MULCH VS MARIO IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME FUCKING GAME

[MarioManiac4]

The only way that reasoning works is if you say Mulch v Mario is TvS

WHICH MEANS YOU'RE REASONING ME BEING SCUM BY ME BEING SCUM

[MarioManiac4]

does anyone know if Mario usually fakes prs as scum? if not then I'd rather wait and lynch a partner cause he'll prove tonight. otherwise, yeah, I have no objections. he is scummy and novice rolestopper sounds like overthinking a fake

I have never fakeclaimed a power role as scum. Literally.
How the fuck is novice vigilante "overthinking a fake"

[MarioManiac4]

LIKE I LITERALLY GOT TO MAKE MYSELF CONFIRMED TOWN TONIGHT

AND I GOT FUCKING LYNCHED

[MarioManiac4]

If Mario was scum and knew whether or not that SD was a scum kill, that could also setup that claim for Mario. That's another one of those potential "magic", as you guys were calling it, moments with the Mario warlocking Rb. Rb specifically said Mario as scum wouldn't make that kill, so there's reasoning enough for Mario to have made that kill.

So I'm in the predicament here where if Mario is telling the truth and we don't lynch him, then him and I are both dead tonight, causing us to lose two town roles.

If he's scum and we don't lynch him, well, I'm still likely dead, and he'll get town cred from that and potentially sweep from that. Good fake claim really.

Yes anything that Rb townreads me for is me ingeniously pocketing him! FLAVOR LEAF TOWN MVP

[MarioManiac4]

mario is counterwagon to wave

get the fuck off mario right now

you are just super in his pocket. =/ big part of the case, really...

NO I'M NOT A "BIG PART OF THE CASE" WAS THAT WHATEVER RB TOWNREAD ME FOR WAS MAGICALLY ME BUDDYING HIM
AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU THOUGHT NEEDED ROLE INFORMATION TO ANSWER WAS ME "ROLEFISHING"

[MarioManiac4]

this is literally the dumbest fucking lynch i have ever seen on the site

[MarioManiac4]

You want my last reads?
Hang Flavor Leaf.
Hang Paul.
Hang Unabombah.

[MarioManiac4]

Scum are outside those players?
Congratulations, friends. You deserve to win.

[MarioManiac4]

I don't care who hammered. It literally means jackshit.
You had intent to hammer for what basically amounted to a pile of shit.

[MarioManiac4]

Like your reasoning for me being scum LITERALLY REQUIRES ME BEING SCUM

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[MarioManiac4]

like i don't even care. lynch you, lynch fl, lynch paul. if that loses us the game then scum 100000% deserve this win.

[MarioManiac4]

I COULD HAVE LITERALLY CONFIRMED MYSELF AS TOWN TONIGHT

AND YOU DECIDED TO LYNCH ME TODAY FOR REASONS ???

[MarioManiac4]

this is literally the dumbest fucking lynch i have ever seen on the site

still this.
i have literally never seen a lynch on this site caused by just as much stupidity as this one. it's incredible.

[MarioManiac4]

OH MAYBE IT'LL OUT A PR

WHO FUCKING CARES. NOBODY EVEN NEEDS TO FUCKING OUT. I CAN CONFIRM MYSELF AS TOWN THE FOLLOWING NIGHT. IT'S AN OBJECTIVELY SHIT PLAY AND I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHY IT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH.

[MarioManiac4]

the entire fucking lynch was based on flavor leaf bullshit

"OH RB TOWNREADS MM4? THAT MEANS MM4 IS POCKETING RB"
"OH IF I RESPONDED TO THIS I THINK I'D OUT A ROLE? THAT MEANS MM4 IS ROLEFISHING"

like i'm not fucking omnipotent or whatever that shit is based on. it's just an entirely fucking irredeemable lynch.

[MarioManiac4]

AND THEN HAMMERING ME BEFORE I EVEN GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND
LIKE WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[MarioManiac4]

like i would be pissed at rb for this but i 100% understand not wanting to help this town ever.

know that this lynch was full of shit, feel bad for it, then lynch the players spouting bullshit.

[MarioManiac4]

Vedith you just can't fucking read me. Ever. You have NEVER scumread me correctly. Just. stop.

pedit: I don't give a fuck about "my final reads."
Are you going to listen to them
hahhahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH


no.

[MarioManiac4]

No there is a need to be mad. I just got lynched as a confirmable role because of bullshit reasons to think I'm mafia.

[MarioManiac4]

Like the worst part is when I flip everyone's going to think my lynch was justified and it 100% wasn't. For the entire game I played with the sole purpose to lynch the mafia. I didn't care for buddying- SK wins when SK and 1 mafia are alive at endgame, the purpose is to ensure 2 mafia lynches. I never get nightkilled anyway so I don't need to worry about that.

Literally the only thing I did differently was that I didn't care as much as I would've as town was that I didnt care about Mulch.

[MarioManiac4]

Like the worst part is when I flip everyone's going to think my lynch was justified and it 100% wasn't. For the entire game I played with the sole purpose to lynch the mafia. I didn't care for buddying- SK wins when SK and 1 mafia are alive at endgame, the purpose is to ensure 2 mafia lynches. I never get nightkilled anyway so I don't need to worry about that.

Literally the only thing I did differently was that I didn't care as much as I would've as town was that I didnt care about Mulch.

We can talk this out lategame, Im happy I was correct.

Actually you were objectively incorrect. The reason you scumread me was because the 1v1 was similar to Mulch. Of course it was- that's how I argue with people as either alignment. (You even said you were reading me the same as in previous towngames.)

[MarioManiac4]

EVERY TOWNIE, LISTEN UP!
NO MATTER WHO WAS WRONG OR RIGHT PREVIOUSLY, BUT MM4 ADMITTED THAT HE WILL FLIP SK.

This means that

rb more likely than not, IS MAFIA.

Nothing is ever 100%, remember that, but rb forced his townread so far..

Read rb's comment on Mario being lynched even though he is his biggest townread, yet he was the one who hammered.
The most important thing, is that TO MAFIA, MARIO APPEARED TOWN, by the logic that he isn't in Mafias chat.
This was rb trying to get towncred for a mislynch, but sadly for him, he chose a guy who was the SK.

I might die the following night because of this, but I'm happy to take the bullet.

Or it was Rb not having bad reads

[MarioManiac4]

You want my last reads?
Hang Flavor Leaf.
Hang Paul.
Hang Unabombah.

I thought Una was town for you?

Until he tried to justify scumreading me with "MM4 v FL is similar to MM4 v Mulch"

[MarioManiac4]

like i'm fully aware that fl/paul/una is not a viable team. but they probably had the shittiest reasons for being on me.

[MarioManiac4]

Vedith you just can't fucking read me. Ever. You have NEVER scumread me correctly. Just. stop.

pedit: I don't give a fuck about "my final reads."
Are you going to listen to them
hahhahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH


no.

This isn't town you.
This isn't town rb. rb Even said himself that he's playing differently. You are just angry here because I've pinned down 2 scum.

Nice joke. You couldn't tell town!MM4 from a dishevelled ant.

[MarioManiac4]

Actually you were objectively incorrect. The reason you scumread me was because the 1v1 was similar to Mulch. Of course it was- that's how I argue with people as either alignment. (You even said you were reading me the same as in previous towngames.)

[MarioManiac4]

Like.
You may have had at least some sort of point if you were referring to a previous game where I was scum and had a 1v1 similar to FL.
But your point is literally 100% reliant on me being scum. Like. Of course there are similarities. That's because I'm the same person. It doesn't mean shit about my alignment.

[MarioManiac4]

Oh. I guess you're a gunsmith or rolecop, then. Meh.

[MarioManiac4]

i was playing to the town wincon to the best of my ability; you'd be correct to townread me

[MarioManiac4]

No; I was Novice, as claimed.

[MarioManiac4]

That's not 100% lol.
Also I played pretty much exactly as town and didn't play with any ulterior motive so I guess what you saw wasn't there if you're being sincere \o/

A rolecop wouldn't be able to detect SK, but they would realise I wasn't a Vigilante and was instead Odd-Night Bulletproof (Novice?) so it'd be a pretty damn easy deduction.
SKs don't have guns, but Vigilantes do.

[MarioManiac4]

Eh, you didn't necesserially play poorly, but I think your point was poor on this one. Or at least what you said. I probably couldn't strictly evaluate how good it was if you don't tell me, haha, but unless it was related to me not reaching out to Mulch (there was a certain point where I was like "ok, im sk, if you're going to push bullshit on dice tags i don't care to consider mulch!town") it probably didn't apply.

[MarioManiac4]

Eh, you didn't necesserially play poorly, but I think your point was poor on this one. Or at least what you said. I probably couldn't strictly evaluate how good it was if you don't tell me, haha, but unless it was related to me not reaching out to Mulch (there was a certain point where I was like "ok, im sk, if you're going to push bullshit on dice tags i don't care to consider mulch!town") it probably didn't apply.

I honestly respect your play, I have said so before, but you don't think you sort of slipped from your normal town-game with Flavor Leaf?

I think I read you as not being as self-confident vs FL as I normally see you act, yet the situation was similar to you vs mulch.

See what I mean? I think you stopped being very self-confident townie for a few posts there, and that pinged me.
I also still feel like your interactions vs Sunlit implicated you both, and since the other one flipped town on death..eh.

Maybe I was just reaching too much and got lucky.

Eh, I think I was in fact more self-confident than usual against FL? Like, I was pretty tilted, and pretty confident in FL!scum there. Still am to an extent. I'm not really a self-confident person in irl? I'm not really sure where the correlation between self-confident and mm4!scum comes in, lol. I used to deathtunnel someone in literally every scum game I played but I stopped doing that recently.

SD thought I was town in the end so I never really got theories that said I killed her.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm going to go to the dead pt with spoilers and watch you guys try to figure this game out from a holiday resort in Southern France. Good luck.

[MarioManiac4]

well done, unabombah.

[MarioManiac4]

well done, unabombah.

Thanks man!

I almost blew it with my sassy hinting in twilight after your hammer..
You got unlucky with me being the RC: I didn't have a doubt in my mind that I should check you!

To be fair, me claiming bp wouldn't have done anything since my role pm told me i was oddnight

[MarioManiac4]

maybe i would've stabbed you if i wasn't novice, who knows?

(tbh i think i would've attacked sunlit diamond there.)

[MarioManiac4]

i think not enough attention was paid to d2- it made 2/3 scum fairly clear imo, but in the end it wasn't needed