Secret Hitler 2 (Game over!)

[BigYoshiFan]

/in

[BigYoshiFan]

Never tried this with more than 7 people. O.O

[BigYoshiFan]

How many of you have played this before?

[BigYoshiFan]

Why not me

Your avi's hair is red and red = fascist.

[BigYoshiFan]

Honestly I don't think the first vote is that big of a deal, it will give us some reads whether it passes or fails and what policy is enacted.

+1

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not against pregame discussion. If it helps you make reads, then great, but everything said so far doesn't seem important to me.
I've never played anything with the vast majority of this playerlist. Neither Shrek's defensiveness nor Mitillos inquisitiveness is politically-indicative to me, and that's really all I've picked up on. I honestly don't think after a few elections anyone will care to look at how someone reacted pregame or uphold reads made for pregame reasons. If I was the first president, picking a chancellor would be like rolling a die.
FWIW, I will usually vote

ja

on the first few elections, and certainly on the first. I have no reason to vote

nein

on the first election, and usually not the few that come after.
I'm just waiting for the first policy.

[BigYoshiFan]

I honestly don't see a legitimate reason for anyone to nein the first election.

[BigYoshiFan]

RC is either Hitler or fascist.

I was somewhat leaning there because of the nein, but you seem much more confident. Why?

[BigYoshiFan]

Levels of suspense increasing.

[BigYoshiFan]

my original pool was {rc, mallow, byf}

That is my preferred pool. Usually when I play, we have the first 3/4/5 presidents test the last 3/4/5 as chancellors and gain information like that. Not_Mafia forcing a blue seems liberal. Random's posting seems liberal. TB's quick pick isn't politically-indicative to me, but his lack of a response seems suspicious. I'd lean RC as a fascist for neining the first election because "they wanted chancellor". Seems like an excuse he can carry on through the rest of the game to nein whoever they feel as long as he isn't chancellor. I've played with people like that, you ain't sneaky.

I'll ja for myself, RC, mallow, mitillos, or TB (because we haven't gained any information from that election). I will probably nein for shrek or pablito just because they'll be presidents soon and we can gain information when they become presidents.

[BigYoshiFan]

also if i get an investigation it's going on shrek or n_m i think

It should be on the next president, shrek.

[BigYoshiFan]

But you can be regular killed.

[BigYoshiFan]

How did I know you were gonna say that?

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Or the hershey's kiss? XD

[BigYoshiFan]

What gives you that impression?

[BigYoshiFan]

........ wat.

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Still, it'd be the second failed election. One step closer to a random policy being passed.

[BigYoshiFan]

TB is basically a confirmed Fascist

Disagree.

maybe there should be an option to suicide if a slot is irredeemably confirmed fascist/claims fascist

Also disagree, but not sure how to explain.

[BigYoshiFan]

I don't see why TB is a confirmed fascist. I can understand why his actions aren't liberal, but it's not enough.

[BigYoshiFan]

have you played mafia w tb before?

Nope. Enlighten me.

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gbt is immensely fascist to me so i'm neining any govt she's in

frick what happened to that s

Explain.

[BigYoshiFan]

ALISAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[BigYoshiFan]

I was given 1 red and 1 blue btw.
Have at it, Alisae. Fite me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Have you played before?

[BigYoshiFan]

Not much for warm welcomes I suppose.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, your predecessor did not make a great impression on us.

[BigYoshiFan]

NM discarded a red.
Randomidget discarded a blue.
I discarded a red.
GBT tbd.

[BigYoshiFan]

There are 2 played blues.
3 blues left.

[BigYoshiFan]

I would prefer RC or Alisae so that we can have direct information on everyone quicker, but pablito is fine.

[BigYoshiFan]

what's with the hyper focus on information

can we just elect liberals to pass liberla policies and win?

Okay, who would you elect then?

[BigYoshiFan]

Who's RaidiantCowbells?

[BigYoshiFan]

I know, just teasing your misspell.

[BigYoshiFan]

I did the thing where I voted ja

[BigYoshiFan]

so how's everyone weekend going

Boring. How about you?

[BigYoshiFan]

That's a good answer.

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I'd probably just freeze both of them from any gov't position, but it could be beneficial to see what pablito does with presidency.

[BigYoshiFan]

Actually I'm probably neining pablito.

[BigYoshiFan]

There are 3 blues and 5 reds. There's an 18% chance of drawing three reds here assuming everyone told the truth before.

[BigYoshiFan]

yeah, the way to go here imo is to nein both shrek and pabs until we get a second investigation, which should go on shrek

I feel like it's better used somewhere else, but I'm not sure I can explain why.
We KNOW one of pablito/shrek is a fascist.
I think if we could get another pairing like that instead of getting a third person involved would be better. Lemme think about this though.

[BigYoshiFan]

You think it's possible that they can both be fascist?

[BigYoshiFan]

But all they're doing here is freezing themselves out of any gov't position if they are both fascist. There's no benefit. There's no towncred to be gained. I cannot see both of them being fascist.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh my goodness I did not see this page.

[BigYoshiFan]

gonna nein this before umlaut even posts

[BigYoshiFan]

Yoshi does understand the point you're making.

[BigYoshiFan]

It was the second liberal policy. He could've done it for towncred. And you could have checked him, so he wouldn't risk picking fascist if you weren't fascist as well.

Or can only liberals pass liberal policies?

He knows I'm fascist if I play a fascist given the choice.

[BigYoshiFan]

@RC: Are you suggesting that Shrek got a lib card that he discarded? Or perhaps that he did not discard it, lied about that, gave it to pabs, who then discarded it?

In any case, there is every reason for me to be super-stingy with my nomination. I want to maximise the possibility of a liberal policy, because I want to delay getting the third fascist policy as much as possible. Yoshi's posts do not make me suspicious, and he passed a liberal policy when he had the option of getting a fascist policy out and locking GBT in a 1v1 with himself. I see no reason not to trust Yoshi. Besides, you ja'ed him before, when GBT nominated him. What has changed since?

Also, I told you before: If you want your reads to be taken seriously (at least by me) justify them. You claimed that Yoshi isn't trustworthy. Why? You claimed that Shrek is 100% fascist. Why? You claimed that N_M and random were 1f1l. Why?

I would really like to see these answered by RC.

[BigYoshiFan]

neining byf and everyone who is fascist should too

FTFY

[BigYoshiFan]

In all honestly though, I have no idea about RC's alignment. If a fascist is played I'd advise investigating him.

[BigYoshiFan]

Nevermind, let's not investigate RC.

[BigYoshiFan]

GBT is a fine investigation.

Also happy scum day BigYoshiFan!

Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[BigYoshiFan]

I cannot understand the thought process behind any of RC's claims.
I can understand and agree with the thought process behind all of Mitillo's responses.

RC's recent posts are biased or just plain wrong. It's no wonder you got ignored this time around because your suspicion on me had absolutely no foundation. I don't think your read on Shrek did either. You're not always right, and we're not always wrong. I dunno why for sure, but your credibility is falling faster than this country. Explain why GBT is the towniest mofo here.

Ja'ing this.

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Will ja this. I find Militos liberaly. Also cool with a BYF chancellor.

Also happy scum day BigYoshiFan!

RC, you're scumreading mallow on the basis that they disagree with you? What is it?
Why is GBT your towniest read?
If we end up neining Mitillos and mallow and presidency comes to me, what's your move then?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm scumreading Mallow on the basis that I scumread them.

That's not an answer, unless you're admitting your scumread on mallow is bullshit.

We can't skip to you. One of Mallow/Mitillos has to do the thing. I would prefer that it be Mallow but *shrug*

Then what was this?

and let's be 100% sure: we're skipping Mallow. If a liberal policy gets passed (aka Mitillos got 2l1f and BYF is town) we skip to BYF and he acts. If fascist, we're skipping BYF straight to me.

You wanted to nein this government AND nein mallow.

I don't feel like arguing with you guys because you're not going to start taking me seriously until we get a few more fascist flips.

Go do your thing and then I'll try to salvage it when from behind.

You're not salvaging anything if you're not credible now. And you still haven't answered why you townread GBT so much.

[BigYoshiFan]

Alisae/Shrek confirmed fascists

Confirmed is a strong word.

[BigYoshiFan]

I was given 1 red and 1 blue.

[BigYoshiFan]

That makes sense, and I agree.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hang on, why did you nein, mallow?

[BigYoshiFan]

I decided I would rather decide the policy because I can trust myself more than Mitillos, even though I think Mitillos is liberal.

Also RC I cannot choose BYF since he was just chosen.

He means to skip you completely.

[BigYoshiFan]

So there's a limit, after 3 NEIN of leadership then a facist policy automatically passes.

FYI, after three rejected gov'ts the top policy is enacted. Could be fascist, could be liberal.

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3 red/2 blue i think

[BigYoshiFan]

You think both pablito and shrek are fascist?

[BigYoshiFan]

Wha...

Also, I've actually switched my vote to ja for no other reason than information. I think we can afford it, and the information we gather would be worth it. I'm not sold on mallow scum nor am I sure of random's alignment. This is something I want to see.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, well, I am most certainly not electing into conflict (Shrek, pablito).
I'm not electing RC. Still unsure about him, and they have presidency next so it seems unnecessary.
Not electing Alisae.
Can't elect Mitillos.

That leaves a pool of (Not_Mafia, GBT, mallow, and randomidget).
And now that I spell it all out, I realize I don't have anyone I townread here. Mitillos is my only townread.

Mallow hasn't been involved in any gov't position.
Not_Mafia elected randomidget, gave him 2 blues, and claimed RBB.
GBT elected me, gave me 1 red and 1 blue and claimed RRB, and I played the blue.
Shrek elected pablito, gave him 2 reds and claimed RRR, investigated him, and claimed he is fascist.
Mitillos elected me, gave me 1 red and 1 blue and claimed RRB, and I played blue.

Mitillos and GBT were both president, elected me, gave me 1 red and 1 blue, and claimed RRB. Yes. Mitillos just feels townie, especially with his rebuttals to RC, although I'm not necessarily scumreading RC because of that.

I'm not sure any person in the pool is better than the other, except mallow because we have no info on them. Can everyone write out their nomination pool?

[BigYoshiFan]

You know what? Screw you all.

Nominate: BigYoshiFan

This is a dictatorship.

[BigYoshiFan]

Me or RM in that pool

What if you weren't restricted to that pool? I don't want anyone restricting their choices to my pool, unless your only choices happen to be in my pool.

[BigYoshiFan]

Shrek, pabs at a push

Really?

[BigYoshiFan]

GBT seems like the likeliest nomination from me if I had to pick one.

[BigYoshiFan]

Everybody reading you as fascist doesn't mean everybody isn't willing to change their mind.

[BigYoshiFan]

Alisae/Shrek confirmed fascists

Confirmed is a strong word.

I called RC out on calling you and Shrek confirmed fascists. You have the opportunity to make people change their minds, offer us some insight.

[BigYoshiFan]

Alisae kinda feels like bait, but he also hasn't done anything particularly townie.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, on a general, consistent basis. lol

[BigYoshiFan]

*runs away*

[BigYoshiFan]

God dammit I only have 10 hours to pick and I really don't know who to pick still.
As of right now, I'm probably nominating GBT. I'd really appreciate some feedback on this nomination from pablito, specifically.

[BigYoshiFan]

I would pick me but

Why wouldn't you? xD

[BigYoshiFan]

Nominate: GigabyteTroubadour

[BigYoshiFan]

Ayyyyyy, I spelled it correctly from memory!

[BigYoshiFan]

Also if you get 3f then ban yourself from the game because that's literally impossible

every single set of cards every president gets contains at least one liberal so if a fascist is ever passed we know who to not elect

See, now, this immediately makes you look suspicious to me.
You're setting me up for suspicion in the event I draw 3 reds, when you can't confirm yourself you drew 3 reds. You could've thrown a blue. There could be an instance where someone else lied for reasons that I don't feel analyzing right now. Also...

every single set of cards every president gets contains at least one liberal so if a fascist is ever passed we know who to not elect

Do I need to explain why this statement is shit, especially because it came from you.

[BigYoshiFan]

Uhhhhhhh... I don't think that is the case, and if it is, I don't know how RC has claimed that.

[BigYoshiFan]

I nominated someone and I haven't gotten any policies yet.

Nominate: GigabyteTroubadour

[BigYoshiFan]

The problem with that reasoning is that there would be no confirmations either way. It would all depend on the trustworthiness of the person investigating you.
Also, having either you or pabs confirmed fascist isn't really that helpful right now. We're already not letting either of you be on governments, since we know that at least one of you is fascist. Even if we found out that a specific person between you is definitely fascist (which we wouldn't), that wouldn't change our current behaviour, so such an investigation would be a complete waste. I'd rather have a second associative connection between two other players.

Mitillos knows what's up.

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We have to ja and nein

Oh yeah that's a thing.

[BigYoshiFan]

What happens with there only being 2 cards left after this?

Those two along with all the discarded policies are shuffled into a new deck.

[BigYoshiFan]

RC is not a policy nein for me. It's dependent upon their choice for chancellor.

[BigYoshiFan]

I received two reds and a blue.

[BigYoshiFan]

Actually swap RC with Alisae why tf would you even consider passing a fascist policy

He might be talking about the forced policy if we nein all the way to GBT? By the way, we don't get to use any abilities from fascist policies passed that way, if this is indeed what you meant.

[BigYoshiFan]

I agree with being able to utilize the second investigation. I would also ja an RC/Mitillos gov't. I think I can call them both my strongest townreads at the moment.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, allow me to rephrase. As of right now I would ja. My opinion is still pending based upon... things. Who do you plan to investigate if it comes?

[BigYoshiFan]

Sweet, the opposition is there. That was the "thing" I was waiting for to verify my trust in this gov't.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, I wasn't including GBT because they can't be elected, but GBT is my strongest townread right now if I'm including them.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay so thinking this exclusively from my point of view we should actually let Alisae elect a policy.

N_M is lockscum. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind that he's fascist.
Randomidget is also lockscum.
One scum or maybe two is in Shrek/Pablito.

That means there's, at most, 1 scum remaining.

The absolute worst case scenario of alisae throwing the presidency with special election is for him to send it to me, because you guys probably won't trust me. But even then, and assuming you don't trust me, we only have to flip one random fascist policy and we have a guarantee fmpov that there's not secretly a scum in GBT/BYF/Mitillos playign the long game.

And if there IS secretly a scum in GBT/BYF/Mitillos, then electing Alisae has a 58.333% of either winning the game or forcing that scum to force a 1v1 in [Alisae/Them], which would then confirm Mallow as a safe pick.

Wtf is this.
Every little thing about this pings me.
You've managed to make your NM read sound more confident than your randomidget read despite looking at their damn party association card.
Even considering that BOTH shrek and pablito could be fascist is absurd.
And there's no way in hell I'm letting Alisae pass a policy. Where's the need to? Can you understand that from my PoV? I'm not even sure I understand your PoV besides you thinking the game is solved no matter what Alisae does, which I don't agree with.
Just nein to GBT and have them elect either me or Mitillos, but definitely me. There's also a chance we just win outright from a random liberal policy.

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It has nothing to do with who you chose, just how you described your read. Just something that pinged me.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not saying you should sound more confident in your random read either. Urghhhhhhhhhh, nevermind.

[BigYoshiFan]

Not ja'ing Alisae, period.
RC, sell me on your townread of Mitillos. Why do you townread them more than me?

Random
{1/2 Shrek-Pabs}
EIther both of Mallow/N_M or 1 + 1 of {BYF/Giggles/Mitillos}

I remember you considered the possibility that both Shrek and Pablito could be scum. What changed?

[BigYoshiFan]

Not ja'ing Alisae, period.
RC, sell me on your townread of Mitillos. Why do you townread them more than me?

Random
{1/2 Shrek-Pabs}
EIther both of Mallow/N_M or 1 + 1 of {BYF/Giggles/Mitillos}

I remember you considered the possibility that both Shrek and Pablito could be scum. What changed?

I'm considering it now at the same level that I was considering it- as insanely unlikely but theoretically plausible if Shrek is really bad.

Sure...
What about Mitillos?

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, Alisae tried to sneak a nom on you in which is vaguely worrisome in the universe where Alisae is scum. I'm not like, certain or even strongly thinking that you're scum. I just would be more comfortable with GBT/Mitillos.

I'd do the same thing as scum to throw shade at someone.
Otherwise, I understand your stance. I'm uneasy about the gamestate. I'll think about it later, since we've got time until Alisae's presidency and I can chill.

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I don't think I put the 2nd, 3rd, and provide the opportunity for a 4th liberal to be down as fascist, but whatever.
Maybe as hitler.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yeah, I'll comply with that. If I'm thinking from an outside perspective, there's not much legitimacy to my concern other than me knowing that I'm town and thinking anything that doesn't involve me is unnecessary.

[BigYoshiFan]

Not a facist, but maybe a fascist

[BigYoshiFan]

That was completely unrelated to my read on you. C'mon... let me poke at you for once.

[BigYoshiFan]

/me hugs back
^_^

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm in that mood all the time.

[BigYoshiFan]

I was almost certain NM was scum lol.
My last presidency I got fucked with 2 liberals and a fascist.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yeah, the logic behind choosing Giggles/Mitillos was completely sound, it's just that I couldn't let that happen. I calculated some stuff and found that now playing the odds would give me a 20% chance of winning, and I thought I'd just roll with that instead of cast more suspicion on myself.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yoshi if you're hitler I am going to have a fun time with the Yoshi gifs

As soon as I saw this I immediately thought this was Alisae telling me they were fascist.

[BigYoshiFan]

That wonderful warm feeling when Yoshi and I agreed on most things.
That terrible sinking feeling when Yoshi turned out to be playing the long game.

I love the way you play fwiw. I was focused on playing how I would as a liberal. I love your logical approach to things. Like, if I ever play a game with you again, you'll probably be who I interact with the most.

[BigYoshiFan]

Whom. Also, Yoshi corrections for earlier posts: whomever, whom, whom, whom, and whom.

I think I'm seeing a trend.
I'm a grammar nazi too, so I actually appreciate it when someone corrects me.

[BigYoshiFan]

WHERE ARE THOSE YOSHI GIFS YOU TEASED ME ABOUT?