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[nancy]

Votecount 1.03

Ginngie (4)

~ Heartless,

Caryatid

, Ginngie, camn

Spiffeh (2)

~ Polar Vortex, NoticeMeSenpai

camn (2)

~ Spiffeh, Ahsoka Tano

NoticeMeSenpai (1)

~ Prism

Prism (1)

~

Kmd4390

Ahsoka Tano (1)

~ MaxwellPuckett

Not Voting (2)

~ Imperium, VNB National Plan

13 alive ~ 7 for majority.
Deadline Meter:

100%

[Ginngie]

~ I was thinking about loving Ginngie before I went out to do my laundry and I'm still feeling it. ~

Can I just say I'm winning this game?

[Ginngie]

But
VOTE: Camn

Scummy reaction to the selfvote.

/yawn.

babe you're supposed to self vote

[camn]

shoot you are right. Now I have missed my moment.

[Ginngie]

wait camn babe, why do you think I care about this playerlist and how I play?

I would like this answered tho.

As it stands it's obvious I'm trying to do my own thing and appealing to no one but my own play style.

I think what matters most is that I don't really get how everyone else actually matters because it never occurred to me

[camn]

Its not about 'caring' but about awareness.
I am sure you are AWARE of the playerlist.

[Ginngie]

So I don't care but I'm aware?

So what does me being aware mean?

[camn]

Stop being silly... your command of English is excellent.

There is a context to actions.
In a different game.. I think a player like you, AS SCUM OR TOWN, consider self-voting because it shows emotion.. it shows lack of concern over votes, or otherwise expresses a towniness to players who will read into things on that level. It is manipulative, but that is not really the worst. You as town manipulating people into overcoming thier suspicions and thinking you are town is fine, and pro-town.

BUT HERE, I think you MUST know that we would see through that shit, because you are certainly aware of the experience level of this playerlist.
So, AS TOWN, I think you would realize that the risk of that kind of attempts at manipulation is more than in a game with a different playerlist.
But AS SCUM, maybe you are a little nervous that we are just gonna catch you.. so you go for it. The possible benefit is a little greater, and outweighs the risk.

That was my calculus.
Is it correct? Maybe. Maybe not.

Would I even be talking about it if you didn't keep bringing it up?
Probably not.
I liked your subsequent responses and I am over it.

Do I love parsing posts word by word?
Not really, it's boring af.

[Ginngie]

You're a good noodle :3

[Polar Vortex]

more relevant things

such as.......?

Nothing in particular. My point is that scum likes to control the game by making the discussion all about irrelevant things(for example they tend to focus on things like scumslips or put fire in 1v1s beetween townies)

[Heartless]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[VNB National Plan]

Whooooo sorry we had technicall difficulties, we are here! But neither of us have read the game so we will be back tomorrow kisses hugs cheerio british stuff

[Heartless]

ugh now I'M bored

TAMMY i'm working my way through a bottle of bailey's come hang out w me

[Imperium]

Specifically, use of "I" language really makes me doubt that it's either well thoughtout or discussed. Discussion of a gambit along the lines of "Hey I'm going to do this is that cool?" "Sure" more likely.

I think that this is a good observation, but think that the Jaestina dynamic makes this more NAI than not. For one, regardless of alignment, I think that Mastina is going to be the person taking point on claiming and fakeclaiming in general; she's very comfortable with fakeclaiming and has very set in stone morals on how she believes proper claiming should be done. JaeReed, on the other hand, is more inclined to claim over not (think this post does a good job of their general view on it) and seems to be more comfortable letting others tell them when the best time to claim is, also think their dynamic in For Us was similar to that dynamic here.

I also think that mastina is more likely than most to make a comment like that because she finds some coincidence here or there amusing; I'm having a bit of trouble phrasing what exactly I mean, but I could probably dig up an example of some sort if necessary.

Okay again, there is nothing alignment indicative there.

Explain or get a vote

I think that this approach from Gin stands out pretty radically from general approach and play in For Us; Tammy described her general approach there as "tiptoeing around a minefield" due to not really knowing how to approach mastina and me town and, while I'm sure her second attempt will be better than the first, I think that the way she goes weirdly aggressive towards Prism here is too far different from her weird hedge approach onto Lovebirds there for her to be a strong choice for scum here.

usually when town claim neg utility like i thought mastina was attempting to do in 48, it's to boost EV by suggesting a clear action for how to deal with the neg utility.

I think that this is a fair thing to say for a majority of people, but I don't really think it's a fair thing to say for mastina. Do you disagree?

I don't see the scum benefit to basically putting a "vig me" post it note on your own back.

Why do you think that mastina's 48 was the equivalent of putting a "vig me" post it note on her own bag? I mean, maybe I have a different approach to the game than you do, but I can't say that I'd think that "our role is negative utility if another role exists in the game but I don't currently think the chances of that are very high" is anywhere near a "this is going to fuck the game over, kill" it claim as something like camn's Hated claim would be.

Does this mean that you're townreading mastina and camn? How strong are your townreads on each of them?

If he accused me of something and I started to argue a point, and he then apologized and backed off from what he was thinking, then you'd have a point.

Why would he back off his point as scum? It's not like you actually addressed his points at all - you have a point that he probably doesn't counterattack more times as town than as scum, but I don't think it's a significant point.

[Heartless]

I think that this is a fair thing to say for a majority of people, but I don't really think it's a fair thing to say for mastina. Do you disagree?

no, i don't disagree... i don't agree either bc i don't rly know what point you're trying to make here...?

say again?

[Imperium]

I wouldn't assume that there isn't one. Just like when scum plan their kills around tracks/watches/protects and whatever else. It's not about assuming. It's about being prepared for the possibility and I'm pretty sure mastina as scum would think about the possibility of certain roles or types of roles before doing things.

Already asked the same question Prism did, but I don't think that you actually answered all of his questions here.

Yes. Gin knows better.
It's a soft AtoE and its manipulative.
Town might try it in a game with a weaker playerlist, but it's tone deaf in this one.

I think that this would be a grand point if it was later in the game/the wagon against her was more serious/there wasn't such a large chance of her vote being either a joke or some weird voting thing that I'd rather she just claim.

[Heartless]

are you asking me if i think mastina, as town, could do a cutsie, cheeky little softclaim like that?

yes, i do

[Caryatid]

Camn, babe, there is only one vote I care about, it's mastina.

Also with the reads list thing, it struck me as odd and out of place cuz the beginning was literally just throwing out names.

Cards was literally an actual reads list with tiers and it's WAY too early to have that structured of a list

If you don't understand my reads, ask me about them.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

camn
Imperium
Polar Vortex
Ginngie
Prism
VNB National Plan
Ahsoka Tano
MaxwellPuckett
Heartless
Caryatid
Kmd4390
Spiffeh

[NoticeMeSenpai]

^Nacho when you get to it.

Those are essentially dead serious so.

[Imperium]

are you asking me if i think mastina, as town, could do a cutsie, cheeky little softclaim like that?

Kind of. Does the cutsie softclaim bother you or are you dismissing it as mastina being mastina?

[Ginngie]

camn
Imperium
Polar Vortex
Ginngie
Prism
VNB National Plan
Ahsoka Tano
MaxwellPuckett
Heartless
Caryatid
Kmd4390
Spiffeh

CONFIRMED TOWN

SUCK IT!

[Ginngie]

If you don't understand my reads, ask me about them.

There's nothing to understand if you don't say anything. So get to talking

[nancy]

[nancy]