Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[hebichan]

Hi guyssss!

Wanna dance with me?

Though there seems to be some spoil sports wanting to ruin the dance for us.

(I feel awkward being comf town.)

[hebichan]

(I feel awkward being comf town.)

Don't worry, this will all be over soon

What is THAT supposed to mean?

[hebichan]

I do, yeps.

By the way, making vague threatening statements is not a good way to woo a potential date.

[hebichan]

Lady MariaR, may I have the pleasure of bringing you to this dance?

yes, of course Gentleman Dunnstral, I would love to -

oh.

HURT WITH A BLADE: dunnie

i'm not accepting or rejecting any dance requests until EoD and neither should any other lady

the way i'd like this to play out is for town to collectively decide on a gentleman we're lynching at some arbitrary deadline before EoD (probably using pseudo votes/hurt tags/whatever) and then have hebi assign pairings either randomly (doesn't have to be provable since siterules obv) or using her own judgement so that scum can't influence them

the last two times this setup ran town made a lot of stupid decisions (deliberately pairing with scum to "suicide", leaving the dance too early rather than see who hammers them, accepting proposals too early) and since town still hasnt won a large dance so i'd like to prevent that from happening a third time ^_^

Lady Gigabyte, you're a truly great person, will you take my hand and dance with me?

aww keyen <3

we'll see! what do you think of what I proposed above?

and for the record, whoever winds up pairing with me shouldnt expect me to use the hood at all. dont really see the use of hoods this setup beyond night talk.

pedit: damn it maria

I endorse this plan. And yes, don't leave the game if you're town. Wait to see the hammers. It might be cathartic to be like, "screw you all, look I'm town," but it leaves town in an awkward spot where we get less VC information.

[hebichan]

whoever winds up pairing with me shouldnt expect me to use the hood at all.

Looks like I dodged a bullet actually

Don't worry, I wouldn't pair you with like GT, RC or LLD.

[hebichan]

Wasn't that a fake vote? Maria said she wasn't accepting any proposals till end of day in the same post.

[hebichan]

Wait, I am super confused I haven't seen a single post by maria.

[hebichan]

Oh quit the sappy stuff Dunn sure I'll dance with my arcade pal!

?

Of huh, I did see that. I guess I sorta glossed over it because I didn't expect an approval so early in the day.

Honestly it seems kinda bad.

[hebichan]

It happened before as well. It doesn't mean much.

Not saying it means much, saying its bad. Obviously I don't have a read off of just that.

[hebichan]

Hi.

Re: giga

I think waiting for EoD to choose pairings or not is not a huge deal either way. Early pairings, if formed organically enough, could limit scum's options and potentially force a scum/scum pairing. I don't have much hope for a scum gentleman lynch at the end of pre-dance regardless of which option is chosen.

Hebichan choosing pairings makes sense, but also sucks the fun out of it, frankly. I do think that's the best way to actually get a scum lynch before dance phase though.

I'm pretty sure I'd have been happy to partner up with you, but that caveat about no hood talk is a no go, since hoods are fun

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lots of cuts

I mean, do as you will, I don't mind either way. I can't stop you.

Early pairings are okay, but pairing on your first post makes it so you might pair all the scum off early and make it so we have to lynch town day one. Since the current numbers favor girls, and ets say dunn was scum for this thought experiment, that means there is probably only one other scum to possibly get lynched before the dance phase. The more early pairings we do, the smaller pool we have to potentially make a good lynch.

I'm not scumreading dunn. BTdubs.

[hebichan]

Well I'm okay with hebi picking the pair's after a feel for the game.

Honestly, we just need the remainder of the ladies to effectively do this, so that's like 5 more people. Since three seem to be good with the idea and 1 is already paired.

[hebichan]

Asks lady Shiro to dance

Can we make content before proposals?

Firebringer is someone I'm very interested in hearing from.

[hebichan]

I fully encourage shiro not to accept this yet.

[hebichan]

I would like to dance with LLD for various reasons.

I can understand why, mostly. Honestly the LLD qt is the scariest to me.

Also, only 10 pages?

[hebichan]

Is LLD someone to be worried about?

Have you ever played a game with her?

[hebichan]

Trying to control the pairings isn't gonna be helpful. It lets scum hide too much because they can't be held to account.
I'm vetoing this.

Elaborate.

I think letting people meta pair and pair with no content is way more dangerous to letting scum hide, and that is literally all I have seen so far.

[hebichan]

Seriously, I think hebichan deciding who should be paired with takes away the fun of the game. I joined this game because of this mechanic. But meh, let's all have a fun game.

Like I said before too. I don't care all that much, if people decide it's ruining the spirit of things, then go pair. I am more concerned with people paring up quickly without reading because we have a lynch here than I am being the sole voice of pairings.

I literally can not stop you.

[hebichan]

I mean, so far all the girls who are unpaired and have spoken since have been in agreement, and most of the guys have been in disagreement.

So all the guys are going to be making the proposals anyhow, and if all the girls agree, I just get to vet who they accept. There is still a lot of information to gained from that.

That being said, I see your point a little, but with all the meta pairs, I'm not sure I can even get a read on anything going on regardless.

Therefore, since the guys outnumber us regardless, the correct way to do this is girls democratically lynch someone and try to get a consensus on who we want to pair with, while the guys ask whoever they want.

[hebichan]

I mean, so far all the girls who are unpaired and have spoken since have been in agreement, and most of the guys have been in disagreement.

That's how everyone of these kinds of games have played out.

Most girls play passive till they get bored and decide to finally make a choice.
Most guys try to get paired as soon as possible

I'm not saying play passive, in fact, I'm advocating the exact opposite, I am saying lets squeeze everyone for information.

Even if LLD agrees with our plan, she'll never play passively anyhow.

I'm saying girls have the number advantage here, lets use it to positively influence the game, especially since we have the confirmed town on our side.

I'm not sure how controlling pairs is a "passive" play.

[hebichan]

I don't think I have seen this game type ever play out where couples didn't just choose themselves.

I have seen games where people say "don't pair with x" then someone pairs with x
Controlling pairs seems obnoxious play and unlikely to work.

And you seem to be ignoring all of the active girls agreeing with it so far, and are being negative for the sake of it.

Obviously that approach you mention hasn't worked, town hasn't won. Let's try something new.

[hebichan]

I don't think I have seen this game type ever play out where couples didn't just choose themselves.

I have seen games where people say "don't pair with x" then someone pairs with x
Controlling pairs seems obnoxious play and unlikely to work.

Further thoughts on this. We have to get someone knocked off the island, its a free lynch. There's no benefit for town ignoring it.

In fact, I would like to call this passive-aggressive encouraging of ignoring the lynch a slight scum read.

[hebichan]

Also Giga is scum with hebichan

I'm literally confirmed town by mod.

[hebichan]

I don't think I have seen this game type ever play out where couples didn't just choose themselves.

I have seen games where people say "don't pair with x" then someone pairs with x
Controlling pairs seems obnoxious play and unlikely to work.

Further thoughts on this. We have to get someone knocked off the island, its a free lynch. There's no benefit for town ignoring it.

In fact, I would like to call this passive-aggressive encouraging of ignoring the lynch a slight scum read.

Ummmmm I was just relating my experiences and telling you I don't think it's fun when the group makes all these simple decisions.

This is literally our only chance to have a lynch without killing off two people, isn't a lynch always supposed to a group consensus?

Would you rather have a town member die because no one wanted to pair with them for no reason other than everyone else wanted their meta pair?

Pairing without reason will make sure that a town member dies this first round. If we decide who we pair with, we might only have 2 scum by the first dance. This isn't hard.

[hebichan]

I don't want to pair with Hebi because it gives scum a very easy nightkill target.
I don't want to pair with GBT because she can't read me and she knows it so it'll be very easy for someone else (scum) to persuade her to drop out of the dance if she's town.
I would be okay with pairing up with MariaR because I think that most of the time I can read her and she'd be less likely to drop out because other people told her to.
I don't want to pair with Shiro for various reasons that I don't feel like getting into.
I would be okay pairing with Penguin_Alien because I don't know them and it could be interesting but I'm pretty sure Cabd wants to pair with them (obviously.)
I feel like I will have no ability to read A2 in a hood so I want to avoid them.
I am reasonably comfortable in my ability to read LLD, I think she will also want to pair with me, we're sorta nk baity if we're both town but it keeps all the paranoia onto one slot, and I think it would be fun to pair with her in general.
I don't know Mint Berry Crunch.

This is a nightless game, how would scum get a night kill?

[hebichan]

Ahh, I missed that one line.... Goddamn it.

Whatever, I trust youwith LLD the most out of the guys anyhow? So. I am perfectly okay with you guys pairing.

[hebichan]

@mint berry: TL;DR - Giga and Hebi are saying that scum are either gonna pair by meta( what Dunn and Maria did) or come up with well reasoned excuses for why they want to pair with someone, so there's no point in letting people choose themselves.
I don't necessarily agree it's gonna be that easy for scum.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that town will either pair randomly or pair by meta and that will make scum super easy to blend in.

As what seems to have happened in every previous iteration of this game. Since, as other people have pointed out, scumhave one this set up 2/2 times, because of meta pairing and passive ladies.

I am also saying this is the only time we will get to ever have a one person lynch, so lets use it wisely.

[hebichan]

If Cabd can read his wife as well as he says, then he should be able to do it via public method. I don't see a reason beyond sentimentalism that we should put them in a thread together and allow them to potentially either snow one of the other, or just be scum with each other and cover.

I know I for one would like to take a long hard look at Cabd. I also know that I would like to have a self destruct button on who I think would be the scariest person if they drew scum in this game.

So yeah, Cabd is my first choice. I also think that as much as people want to have fun with this mechanic, there is a scorched earth option here we could explore.

Scariest minus yourself you mean?

What do you think of the plan giga came up with though?

Trying to get a lady consensus here to push it.

[hebichan]

So it's sorta

{LLD}
{Penguin/Maria}
{Mint/A2}
{Others}

for me

How do I rate anywhere without posting?

And yeah, I'm dancing with my husband (Cabd). I have better faith in him to sort me than vice versa under normal circumstances, see the last micro we played in when we'd only been dating for two months, but I should have some insight. Plus, fun times. Which is the point.

I'm up for listening to confirmed town. The other side of this mechanic too is that *all* unpaired players leave the sance after pre-dance, no? So if we decide there's a likely-scum lady, we can lynch two gents and a lady, effectively. So scum hunting among us ladies is relevant.

P-edit: LLD, pairing up doesn't preclude public scum hunting. I suspect Cabd would take even greater delight in getting me lynched if I was scum than using the suicide mechanic, even if it ends the same way for him.

Read the post before, that's his rating for dance partners

Also, I don't think there's a big mechanical difference between an extra pair leaving in pre-dance vs just lynching that pair during first dance

Mechanically, probably not, read wise, possibly. We might get more information leaving people around longer.

[hebichan]

Let's not get on a tangent about what you would do as scum, if you were scum you would be telling us you would do that as scum and push to partner with cabd anyhow.

Just forget all your excuses and show us your plays and not your weaseling.

<3 you.

Firebringer and keynee

Also Also, It's not about lynching a gentleman, its that one is going to die regardless, why not play to our win condition.

[hebichan]

Oh I was saying it was you and key who were complaining its less fun if I control the pairings.

[hebichan]

Let's not get on a tangent about what you would do as scum, if you were scum you would be telling us you would do that as scum and push to partner with cabd anyhow.

Just forget all your excuses and show us your plays and not your weaseling.

<3 you.

Firebringer and keynee

Also Also, It's not about lynching a gentleman, its that one is going to die regardless, why not play to our win condition.

The optimal plan is not for 1 gentleman to die.... it's for... let's see 14-3, minus a kill which will happen on two townies so 12-3....

5 people should die. Maaaaaaaaaaybe 7? No, 5 seems safer.

Ah, I see. There's the LLD I know and love.

No more of the sanctity of the game-state BS, you and I both know people playing to their win condition is the only way you have fun.

-

[hebichan]

You know what

Let's scorch the crap out of this earth until it's a barren ball of dust and all mad max.

But, in order for this to work, some girls have to not accept partners, and it can't be me, since I need to pair with a scummy seeming player.

Maria also can't work.

In order for this to work, we need 2 girls willing to not pair up.

[hebichan]

In order for this to work, we need 2 girls willing to not pair up.

Do you mean not pair up full stop?
What happens then?

5 people die, we go straight to intermission, a pair gets killed, we go to dance with 10 people.

[hebichan]

5 people die, we go straight to intermission, a pair gets killed, we go to dance with 10 people.

Okay, I can offer to not pair.
But what benefit do we have going into a dance with 10?

It's not about dance with 10 but the fact that the mafia have to kill before a single dance, it puts them in an awkward position.

Also, this will get mafia to panic, and hopefully make bad pairings for them, as they try to pair off quickly.

[hebichan]

*gives LLD a cute police themed dance dress*

I sort of want to pair with FB at this point, but he wants shiro so

[hebichan]

Well maria did call dun scum a few pages back....and well....

They do have the matching avatars and dunn did seem eager to pair up as quick as possible, with whoever.

Also FB, last time we paired up I had shit going on in my life, I apologize D:.

[hebichan]

I am pretty good with getting rid of dunnstral during the dance at this point. Also RC and LLD are going to die and they will both flip town GG.


Hey Firebringer, ask me to dance.

[hebichan]

I am pretty good with getting rid of dunnstral during the dance at this point. Also RC and LLD are going to die and they will both flip town GG.


Hey Firebringer, ask me to dance.

No

Welp. I'm sad now.

[hebichan]

Why? Why would I ever pair with confirmed town when there is a nightkill.

Fire is my scummiest townread.

[hebichan]

My only objection is to accepting a proposal early.

As LLD has already planned her suicide mission,ttrying to skip the first dance seems way more difficult now. Though I am willing to listen to suggestions on who to "blacklist" against pairings.

[hebichan]

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

Make no mistake I still plan to kill the fuck out of you, but there are some things I need to see to before I shuffle off this

mortal coil

dance floor.

I

highly

request this pair is not alive by the second dance phase

Don't worry, if there is even a chance that LLD or RC doesn't kill themselves on first dance, I am leading a lynch on that pair super hard.

Though I am super up for killing the dunnstral slot too.

To be fair, current lynch feelings are

RC/LLD
Dunnstral/maria
Priscila/???
Mint Berry/???
Vecna/???
Firebringer/???
Cabd/???
Maxous/???


in order to most needed to die to least needed to die. I would rather see the RC/LLD pair sort itself out, however.

Also scum, if you want some town cred my slot is wide open for pairing. *double wink*

[hebichan]

To be fair, current lynch feelings are

RC/LLD
Dunnstral/maria
Priscila/???
Mint Berry/???
Vecna/???
Firebringer/???
Cabd/???
Maxous/???


in order to most needed to die to least needed to die. I would rather see the RC/LLD pair sort itself out, however.

Although I agree with Mint Berry being scummy, he is a Lady; if this is a Gentleman list it's missing ActionDan and keyenpeydee.

This is a very basic scum read list, no preference for lady or gentlemen. I don't have too many reads on the lady side, beside mint, giga and penguin. The latter two feel town for right now, and everyone else on the list feels worse.

[hebichan]

why would I want to automatically walk out before I can try to influence the lynch?
if you were lovers with mod confirmed scum would you want to be lynched immediately or would you want the pair of you to be lynched when you'd contributed to the game?

I'm just saying. If it gets to day 2, and you are both there saying you changed your minds, then you need to be voted off.

They need to be gone before the intermission begins. If they are still there after the first lynch, I'll start a wagon on them.

[hebichan]

Out of the free guys I would want to pair with


Action Dan
Maxous
Key
Vecna
Priscilla

In that order.

I feel like its important to have someone who disagrees with you at this point.

@Cabd, I've been hard pocketed by GI and LLD, and I live with both of them.

[hebichan]

Because it sounds like the IC wants my current top choice, and my party dress isn't likely to be pretty enough to compete with hers. Which means my options are 75% people who profess to want me blown up and none of whom I'm hard town reading.

Hun, I'm sure your party dress is 100% fine.

Also, RC, stop telling people to take others down with them, just because you're a pariah doesn't mean everyone else wants to be. If you have ah ard scum read, its best to just ignore them so they get left high and dry when it comes to the end of this pre dance phase

[hebichan]

I was entirely against the idea but if this is a situation where Cabd is going to get hard pocketed by scum P_A then the only option is the nuclear one.

Cabd is already paired up, the pocket is burst already.

[hebichan]

And really, pariah? I don't have personal experience with LLD's scumgame but I've heard her described as very similar to Frozen Angel but with better grammar, worse general towntelling, and more long term strategic thinking.
If she's even comparable to FA then I would never be okay with me not having the nuclear launch codes on her. If there was someone I could trust in this game not to get pocketed or to trust my reads if I was sure she was scum, I would let them. There isn't.

Cabd is already paired up, the pocket is burst already.

Doesn't mean that Cabd can't make it virtually impossible for a lynch on PA to go through by hard defending her the entire game. The problem isn't just solved by them not being paired.
If scum!PA pairs with someone who will not take her down then Cabd's hard defense of her will fairly easily bring her to endgame with their only competition being something like GBT/Priscila, and I'm sorry GBT but after you switched your vote to Maria in that game I do not at all trust you to not get peer pressured by PA/pocketedtown to not collapse near the endgame and walk out.

There are not enough towny pairs for me to feel at all safe relying on process of elimination to solve the game. I want to have the ability to eliminate my scumreads directly.

I think I was the one who brought up LLD as dangerous scum to you, because I live with her and have lost to her scum on multiple occasions.

But she openly said she was going to kill you, and now I don't want to see the pair survive past the first dance, so yes. It feels like a pariah move to ask the person who outright said she would suicide on you to dance.

[hebichan]

You yourself said that there's no one that you'd feel safer paired up with LLD than me. Why am I suddenly a pariah for making the decision that everyone in the game knew was the right one?

I think I was the one who brought up LLD as dangerous scum to you, because I live with her and have lost to her scum on multiple occasions.

But she openly said she was going to kill you, and now I don't want to see the pair survive past the first dance, so yes. It feels like a pariah move to ask the person who outright said she would suicide on you to dance.

I already knew both by reputation and because I read through her scummy nommed game last year and some of her games in 2015.
I made what I believe was the right decision. If you have a problem with what I did then I would love to have you explain it to me.

I don't per say find it wrong. I just find encouraging P_A to do the same thing as you rather pointless. If P_A is scum, she'll never do it, if P_A is town, then I wouldn't want her to.

And no, Firebringer, but it happens more often than not.

[hebichan]

I want someone paired with P_A who will kill her if she needs to die.

Wait, what? I thought you wanted P_A to pair with one of her scum reads? If she does that.... what?

How does that logic work again? If they are scum they won't kill her.

[hebichan]

That was my way of softening the blow to P_A specifically.

But basically my deadlist before the nightkill is [Dunn/Maria] + [P_A/x] unless either PA or Dunn does something super towny and I'll make my decision on whether to step out on LLD when day 2 starts.

and raybells can you not ignore me - i really would like to see some substance to that read because i'm not seeing it beyond what i already mentioned.

The read is my own and I'm not going to be explaining it at this time, sorry.

And Mine is Dunn/Maria and You/LLD.

So we half agree at least!

[hebichan]

Do you want me/LLD dead because you scumread me, scumread LLD, or both?

I want LLD dead because I can't read her and I never could. I want you dead because both you and LLD have shifted your position to, "Eh maybe we'll live, at least for a bit." and after the point where you both seemed to want each other dead, it makes me uncomfortable to leave you alive because LLD LOVES busing and making enemies of her scum buddies.

I simply can't abide that chance. I can't let the pair live because I don't trust myself to not get sweet talked by LLD unless I just put my foot down and say this can not be tolerated.

[hebichan]

Do you want me/LLD dead because you scumread me, scumread LLD, or both?

I want LLD dead because I can't read her and I never could. I want you dead because both you and LLD have shifted your position to, "Eh maybe we'll live, at least for a bit." and after the point where you both seemed to want each other dead, it makes me uncomfortable to leave you alive because LLD LOVES busing and making enemies of her scum buddies.

I simply can't abide that chance. I can't let the pair live because I don't trust myself to not get sweet talked by LLD unless I just put my foot down and say this can not be tolerated.

So it boils down to a policy lynch on LLD?

For the record, I never said I was going to instantly blow her up. I scumread her and to an extent I still do. But I paired up with her to go both ways. I don't want her getting policy killed if she's in fact town and I don't want her living if she's scum. I also haven't said that I townread her: I said that I am not blowing her up in the first day phase.

Do you think that I'm town, and if so, do you trust me to make the judgement that you don't trust yourself to make?

No, I don't trust anyone with LLD. At all. Go read our PYP game where she snowed me and then convinced katsuki to kill confirmed town in LYLO.

It wouldn't be a policy lynch if she didn't publicly state she wanted to blow you up though. I intend to hold her to her own promise. You accepted knowing she said so, I don't like you trying to convince me to let you live either.

[hebichan]

Honestly, its half policy lynch and half, I would do the same to anyone who actively said they would kill themselves and then didn't.

If you want to flip so badly, flip.

[hebichan]

I'll deal with dunn yall do w/e

You're the one who scum read him.... What did you expect to happen?

[hebichan]

And I say again that you respect us both as scum players. Do you think that both of us as super scary scum would have made a play that made the game universally wary of us and put us at the forefront of the game?

I don't know about you, because I haven't seen your scum, but LLD? Completely.

But if someone in a game said they would kill someone or themselves and then doesn't.... would you call them on that or not?

[hebichan]

I'll deal with dunn yall do w/e

You're the one who scum read him.... What did you expect to happen?

I said yes before he posted any content
Pedit: No in fact I'm the most obv town player here lol

This is exactly why I've been asking people to wait before accepting proposals.

[hebichan]

Like there's an issue with your dichotomy where you acknowledge that LLD at the very least can fool you but then scumread something that she did without considering that if we were SvS we'd do something different.

I would have never consented to this as a scum strategy. Tbh I would have tried very very hard to convince her to let me bus her but if that failed we'd certainly not pair up and put 2/3 of scum at the risk of being policy lynched for double paranoia and questions about why we weren't NKed if we were townread. And if we really HAD to pair up, we'd have done it more convincingly.

I don't care what you say you would do, telling stories about what you would do is as convincing as OJ Simpson's book.

You trying to convince me not to kill your pair when you knew it was a likely lynch in the first place is really not helping me trust you at all.

Why would the scummiest pair in the game every be NKD, by the way?

You
1. Paired up with someone you scum read
2. Paired up with someone you said she'd blow you up if you were paired with her
3. paired up with someone you thought would likely get you suspected on in your own defense

All of the reasons Maria should be lynched are the same reasons you should be lynched.

Dunn, if this isn't your scum game, go post some content instead of trying to convince your partner (you can do that in your QT later).

As it stands, I still scum read you.


On a further note, RC, the fact that you're talking to me and not LLD doesn't help either.

[hebichan]

What do I have to say to LLD right now?

LLD not talking to me and having you do it instead is exactly how she would handle a SVS or SVT here. She knows she can't convince me, so if she has her partner who is probably town do it, I might just be convinced.

But no, I am content to let let you burn in the pyre you built for yourself.

[hebichan]

Like again this should be something you BoP: do you think either of us as SvS are bad enough to not interact with each other? We don't have much to say to each other in public and what we do have to say can be said in hood. I have little to say to her and I'm not at all surprised that she has little to say to me either.

LLD not talking to me and having you do it instead is exactly how she would handle a SVS or SVT here. She knows she can't convince me, so if she has her partner who is probably town do it, I might just be convinced.

But no, I am content to let let you burn in the pyre you built for yourself.

If we're SvT then trust me to make that decision.

What basis do I have for you to do that?

Arguing to live is not pro-town. Let your flip speak for itself.

[hebichan]

Maria, you should help me out here. Or help me get into this/sort me out instead of just assuming I'm scum because I look bad and running with it

Post some damn content already. I want to hear you talking to us about reads. That might convince me!

p-edit: I might have found new love for Maxous.

[hebichan]

At least: I agree that they probably are. Maxous/Key could be scum slots and I'd be very happy to see Key removed from play, no offense. But I don't expect to see a gentleman scum flip.

What basis do I have for you to do that?

Arguing to live is not pro-town. Let your flip speak for itself.

Because LLD is not guilty until proven innocent any more than I am and I've dealt with years of this pseudo-PL bullshit and I'm tired of it.

Hey RC, I have a statement for you;

Ive never seen you care so much about people their read on you, or care so much about living as youre doing right now.

Why does it feel much more like youre just trying to make people back off by throwing so many words at them that they just tire of arguing with you?

Because this is a weird situation and I think everything will be clear in postgame but I don't expect anyone besides FakeGod who I detailed my thoughts to give to dead thread to understand what I am doing right now.

Maybe...wild thought...explain?

Every defense so far has just made me want to pile the dirt higher.

[hebichan]

honestly, if she is town, LLD will just blow herself up on RC, so I'm not even sure why I'm bothering.

[hebichan]

Maxous, what do you think about me and the accusations made against me?

i would guess you're town.
the only accusation i can remember from the the top of my head is LLD saying that you contradicted yourself about scumreading her but i didn't think much of it.

I have been calling him on lack of content and appealing to Maria and think he should very much be hung. RC also scumreads him.

I want to move on from the LLD/RC thing because it will either sort itself out or it won't and there's a lot more heads to bang for information.

p-edit: I would like Priscila or Vecna out. I would like Maxous or Action Dan as a partner.

[hebichan]

WHYD O YOU WANT PRISCILA OUT DEAR LORD

Honestly I just haven't felt much at all from the priscilla reads at all.

Eh, I guess I want mostly vecna out, he has the most content I don't like in general, and has been posting.

Dunnstral has been appeasing everyone pretty much, especially Maria, its why its my top lynch.

It's just most of the scummier guys already paired off.


p-edit; Also vecna, yes, but in what world am I not killed? I wanted to pair with firebringer, but that didn't work out. I find you too scummy and want you dead, and I don't want to be with Priscilla. Key, Maxous and AD are all townreads for pretty much everyone, I'm probably going to die in any pair. Might as well get some use out of it first.

[hebichan]

LLD, please don't talk to me directly anymore this game. It is clear that there are underlying issues here. I feel as if you've been snappy with me all game and it annoys me, but you do not think you are doing that. Please realize that YOU are annoying ME to the point where I'm only in this game because I paired with MariaR. Threatening to report my posts isn't acceptable mafia behaviour in my opinion either. I'm going to not respond to you from here on out, I'm not attempting to insult you.

I'm not exactly going to abide that request given this is a Mafia Game?

Seriously dude, what did she even do to you past where you've called her out? I feel like all of this is based on past interactions and you're way overblowing what's going on here.

RC and I have been way more harsh at you.

Also, you asked Giga out before you asked Maria.

[hebichan]

I don't think Dunn would fake a post like that I think it's a srs post but it's a NAI post

It was mostly calling out him saying he was only here for you, not saying he's scum off it.

[hebichan]

I feel like all of this is based on past interactions

This is the first game I have played with LLD.

Also, you asked Giga out before you asked Maria.

No I didn't.

Then Why do you feel she's being aggressive with you? Because this is like, mild mannered LLD compared to how she used to be.

[hebichan]

WHYD O YOU WANT PRISCILA OUT DEAR LORD

Honestly I just haven't felt much at all from the priscilla reads at all.

Eh, I guess I want mostly vecna out, he has the most content I don't like in general, and has been posting.

Dunnstral has been appeasing everyone pretty much, especially Maria, its why its my top lynch.

It's just most of the scummier guys already paired off.


p-edit; Also vecna, yes, but in what world am I not killed? I wanted to pair with firebringer, but that didn't work out. I find you too scummy and want you dead, and I don't want to be with Priscilla. Key, Maxous and AD are all townreads for pretty much everyone, I'm probably going to die in any pair. Might as well get some use out of it first.

For what its worth; youre wrong about me, and this game needs someone to shove unpopular opinions into the limelight.

Also, saying that you disliked my content the most out of everyone is rather weird, since ive never seen my reads be copied to such a large extent as has been happening in this game.

"I have unpopular opinions!"

"My reads are being copied!"

Shag off friend!

Also, Maxous and Action Dan have both disagreed with me several times already, yet they are my top partners.

[hebichan]

Then Why do you feel she's being aggressive with you?

Also I feel like this is baiting an argument but I don't agree with this interpretation of what I said and I want that to be known

I don't want an argument, I want you and fire to stop using my friend as an excuse to threaten leaving the game even though she hasn't been rude and has really been trying to be less mean than she used to be.

Like, really.

i just want people to play a game without going "I want to leave because of X!"

p=edit I think LLD reads P_A as town, actually.

p-p-edit: She said as much

[hebichan]

There's zero universes in which I draw scum with her and then both make a big show of being bummed I couldn't pair with her AND hard defending her to the point of citing one of my 100% tells. Why create that much attention to her? DO you think she's such a weak player that I'd have to defend her here instead of letting her do her own thing, or in the worst case, feeding her the answers from a scum topic?

No one is calling you scum together, stop attacking a straw man. She's saying you're scum and P_A is not.

Not sure that it's correct, but at least attack the right argument.

[hebichan]

I want a non bias IC pls

I am friends with LLD, I want her lynched though.

No bias here. I want dunn to be defended by someone not biased though, as your defense of him boils town to "HE wouldn't do that to me!" Which is literally the most biased defense I've heard ever.

Dunn still hasn't posted anything of substance.

[hebichan]

Also, Not wanting LLD harassed is not the same thing as trusting her in mafia.

And ew, don't call me honey unless you plan to ask me to dance, you're just a creep otherwise.

[hebichan]

I want a non bias IC pls

I am friends with LLD, I want her lynched though.

No bias here. I want dunn to be defended by someone not biased though, as your defense of him boils town to "HE wouldn't do that to me!" Which is literally the most biased defense I've heard ever.

Dunn still hasn't posted anything of substance.

I mean I know I'm bias but I know my words don't have more pull then an IC

And my words have been calling for the lynch of my friend. Calling Dunn and Fire out for talking about her is a foot note.

Like literally half this game has been people going on about how they wanted to play this game with their friends, so we're sort of past the point of bias.

[hebichan]

Lady MariaR, may I have the pleasure of bringing you to this dance?

yes, of course Gentleman Dunnstral, I would love to -

oh.

HURT WITH A BLADE: dunnie

i'm not accepting or rejecting any dance requests until EoD and neither should any other lady

the way i'd like this to play out is for town to collectively decide on a gentleman we're lynching at some arbitrary deadline before EoD (probably using pseudo votes/hurt tags/whatever) and then have hebi assign pairings either randomly (doesn't have to be provable since siterules obv) or using her own judgement so that scum can't influence them

the last two times this setup ran town made a lot of stupid decisions (deliberately pairing with scum to "suicide", leaving the dance too early rather than see who hammers them, accepting proposals too early) and since town still hasnt won a large dance so i'd like to prevent that from happening a third time ^_^

Lady Gigabyte, you're a truly great person, will you take my hand and dance with me?

aww keyen <3

we'll see! what do you think of what I proposed above?

and for the record, whoever winds up pairing with me shouldnt expect me to use the hood at all. dont really see the use of hoods this setup beyond night talk.

pedit: damn it maria

Eh fair enough, I misread this post as you asking Giga out.


I still don't know what your substance posting has been.

[hebichan]

You act like scum me would dance with you in the first place.

Oh I know you would. Dancing with me is more important than winning the game

I didn't flip scum so I can't really say what I would've done if I was so *shrug* if you sr me you sr me I don't really give a fuck I'm obv town to me because there's things in this dance game That I wouldn't do as scum so I'll find all the scum like the last game and this time people will fucking listen to me instead of getting to end game

So tell us some reads, oh great one.

[hebichan]

You act like scum me would dance with you in the first place.

Oh I know you would. Dancing with me is more important than winning the game

I didn't flip scum so I can't really say what I would've done if I was so *shrug* if you sr me you sr me I don't really give a fuck I'm obv town to me because there's things in this dance game That I wouldn't do as scum so I'll find all the scum like the last game and this time people will fucking listen to me instead of getting to end game

So tell us some reads, oh great one.

pls no not the pressure it makes me crack I didn't mean to sheep me I still get PTSD from my last game where I called out the last 2 scum and no one listened >_> Who I sr you'll know

Then don't call me biased, question me, then talk yourself up.

Simple question, which guy should we leave out of the pairs out of the remaining ones?

[hebichan]

Simple question, which guy should we leave out of the pairs out of the remaining ones?

Who is left? I am up to discuss this

Vecna, Maxous, Priscilla, Action Dan, Key

[hebichan]

You act like scum me would dance with you in the first place.

Oh I know you would. Dancing with me is more important than winning the game

I didn't flip scum so I can't really say what I would've done if I was so *shrug* if you sr me you sr me I don't really give a fuck I'm obv town to me because there's things in this dance game That I wouldn't do as scum so I'll find all the scum like the last game and this time people will fucking listen to me instead of getting to end game

So tell us some reads, oh great one.

pls no not the pressure it makes me crack I didn't mean to sheep me I still get PTSD from my last game where I called out the last 2 scum and no one listened >_> Who I sr you'll know

Then don't call me biased, question me, then talk yourself up.

Simple question, which guy should we leave out of the pairs out of the remaining ones?

I am calling you bias because you are I don't' retract that statement LOL

What is my bias here? Seriously, I don't get it.

[hebichan]

It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

Oh really? Refresh me as to whose scum again?

LLD/Penguin_Alien/Dunnstral

So wait what's your objection to lynching Dunnstral/MAria and then LLD/RC if it would get 2/3 scum?

Like, this makes your previous objections about my lynch ideas even weirder.

[hebichan]

I townread fire right now.

Didn't mean to bait you. Sorry Fire.

P-edit: We won't lynch P_A if we get 2/3 scum and you were right on 2/3 of them?

We'll just lynch Cabd then P_A if we have to. Sorry, not sorry, I find your defense pitiable.

[hebichan]

Dunnstral in holding pattern with little general game content provided

Hold on, these are fighting words. I've provided more content than a good chunk of the gentlemen. I'm providing content right now.

You've POSTED a lot, you don't seem to have said much in most of it.

p-edit: I'm cool with that maxous

[hebichan]

You've POSTED a lot, you don't seem to have said much in most of it.

So have you, but you're the ic so nobody can call you out on it.

What do you want me to actually say?

I've posted who I want to see dead, who I want to partner with, who I want to lynch and why.

Life is not a game of, "Nu-uh, you are!"

I made several mistakes in misreading earlier things, I admit, but I have gone over those and I am still convinced you look pretty bad.

I asked you for reads and you basically came out and said, "I dunno, let me talk to Maria."

[hebichan]

I think actiondan or priscilla should be left behind

No offense to either of them

I mean, I apologize for ignoring that, you did say it. But..... why on either of them?

[hebichan]

There's really no question that I'm town this game. I find it funny that there is.

Best laugh of the thread!

[hebichan]

Yeah I wish Hebi was not the conftown.

tbh I wish it was me so I could loldictator the pairings and end the game in 3 rl days.

Except no one would let you loldictator the pairings, people have made that abundantly clear.

Also, screw off. I don't want to be the IC either, but here we are.

[hebichan]

Regardless, I'm not sure there's anything left to say I couldn't say during the dance phase, and I just want the partners to pair off already.

Sticking with either wanting to be with maxous or action dan.

I don't feel maxous woudl let action dan pick between a 50/50 of being with me if maxous was scum, I feel like scum would auto deny me to try and get a town/IC pairing. I town read Maxous here still.

Vecna is still my favored odd one out.

[hebichan]

It's nothing personal ftr.

Starts to feel personal when you say it twice!

[hebichan]

=<

I just wish you weren't scumreading me for something that I can't respond to.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't scum read you nearly as hard after thinking it over for about a day.

I'm just sort of lost because I only agree with 1/3 of any given players reads on scum right now.

Mint, Dun, Key, Vecna

[hebichan]

Gentlemen

keyenpeydee

Dunnstral

Firebringer

RadiantCowbells

Priscila

Cabd

Maxous
Vecna
ActionDan

Ladies

MariaR
gigabyteTroubadour

Shiro
A2

penguin_alien

hebichan

Lady Lambdadelta

Mint Berry Crunch

The way it feels to me atm, most scum are probably hiding in the female population. I dont have any super-strong scumreads atm. I had some gutpings on people, but nothing super solid yet. Cabd has started feeling a little better, but could still very well be scum. Alisae is once again scumreading me and feels a bit off, but we read eachother this very same way in nearly every game we play, and so far were always reading eachother wrong.

Maxous, care to elaborate why youre scumreading me to this extent? Id think you of all people should be intimately aware of my scumplay, and that this is nothing like it.

I don't like the implication that the girls have more scum here, especially when girls have less players and an IC.

The read list itself is fine. It's just a weird conclusion to come to I feel if you don't have outside information?

[hebichan]

I agree tho, for the record. I think scum guys would be more desperate and needy and clingy.

There's a logic to that, it just made me feel a bit sketch.

You can actually add shiro to the scumbloc.

Regardless. Looking over Key's IC quickly, I'm cool dropping that slot yeah, RC.

[hebichan]

Yeah, I agree there.

I still feel vecna could be scum, but I'm willing to see what happens in dance there. Key hasn't really been engaged with the game at all.

[hebichan]

I sorta want to pair with priscilla over the whole, 'I want to pair hebi with a strong town read but not me"

I don't get their logic there, and it feels suspect? But maybe too obvious for mafia and just a bad move, but its one of the things making me wary atm.

[hebichan]

I sorta want to pair with priscilla over the whole, 'I want to pair hebi with a strong town read but not me"

I don't get their logic there, and it feels suspect? But maybe too obvious for mafia and just a bad move, but its one of the things making me wary atm.

My play of this game would be to pair the towniest people with the towniest people and create multiple pairings of obvtown and just PoE the game from there.

I think she subscribes to the same school of thought, but doesn't personally want to pair with you.

Well sure, but we already sort of lost that point, your pairing is cancer, fire/shiro is bad, dunn/maria is bad, cabd/A2 is bad.

I'm pretty much left out to dry unless like... Maxous/Giga happens I guess?

Maybe that is a good pair.

[hebichan]

Hey hebichan, how are you?

Pretty okay, really, trying to figure the game out.

[hebichan]

I sorta want to pair with priscilla over the whole, 'I want to pair hebi with a strong town read but not me"

I don't get their logic there, and it feels suspect? But maybe too obvious for mafia and just a bad move, but its one of the things making me wary atm.

My play of this game would be to pair the towniest people with the towniest people and create multiple pairings of obvtown and just PoE the game from there.

I think she subscribes to the same school of thought, but doesn't personally want to pair with you.

Well sure, but we already sort of lost that point, your pairing is cancer, fire/shiro is bad, dunn/maria is bad, cabd/A2 is bad.

I'm pretty much left out to dry unless like... Maxous/Giga happens I guess?

Maybe that is a good pair.

I still think my pairing is correct. You get all the paranoia onto one slot and you get the two people who have a chance of correctly reading each other together.
The rest are awful although I do see some value in Cabd/A2: although I would have preferred Cabd/PA because I kind of want to get rid of both of them tbh.

I think LLD is town and will blow you up, and I think you are also town, probably, now.

I think LLD as scum won't blow you up, and would need to be lynched.

This doesn't really affect the rest of the game at this point.

p-edit: I like maxous/giga priscilla/penguin dan/me and in that case it would leave vecna or key/mint which is meh either way and will probably get killed at some point.

[hebichan]

I remain confident that if she's town she won't blow me up.

Here's my reasoning, if she's town, she won't care as much about her own life. She will gladly blow you up.

If she's scum, she wants to get to LYLO at any cost, so she would never suicide.

If she lets herself live, I don't trust you to read her, especially since you admit not having experience with her. Doesn't matter if you called her scum early in the game and still let her win despite having that early read.

I have decided against the policy lynch, but regardless of if I live in intermission or not, I don't want to see LLD in LYLO.

@radiant cowbells unless the other guy doesnt give her the offer.

[hebichan]

@radiant cowbells unless the other guy doesnt give her the offer.

This would be a terrible EV play for that other guy regardless of alignment.

Well, sure, unless none of them get offers? Then we have 3 deaths.

I dunno, was a hypothetical.

[hebichan]

keep in mind that if Penguin is the last girl she'll just pair with whichever guy isn't Priscila though so that needs to be forced early.

Vecna/penguin?

I really don't want priscilla/Mint.... that would be a really dead pair.

[hebichan]

keep in mind that if Penguin is the last girl she'll just pair with whichever guy isn't Priscila though so that needs to be forced early.

Vecna/penguin?

I really don't want priscilla/Mint.... that would be a really dead pair.

Giga with Priscilla...
Penguin with vecna

No. I really want Maxous/Giga. I feel it's the most town pairing we can get.

[hebichan]

i don't agree Giga is town sooo

That's a personal problem.

I don't agree shiro is very town yet you paired there, and I only think you're town because I've mislynched you so often.

[hebichan]

i don't agree Giga is town sooo

That's a personal problem.

I don't agree shiro is very town yet you paired there, and I only think you're town because I've mislynched you so often.

Can you not townread me for this?

er no?

I could see it as setting up for an early mislynch possibly, I don't think it is, but I don't think this conversation has been alignment indicative.

[hebichan]

Hebi you should be scared of me not LLD

I don't live with you and haven't been snowed 50 times by you or seen other people snowed by you.

I've seen LLD as scum over 200 times in various games and she wins like 9/10 of them.

[hebichan]

I am so annoyed because afjksjfksdksjcjsjcjwifj

Look, I'm town reading you, just not your partner.

I also think your reads are bad.

[hebichan]

I claim scum.

didn't you already do that this game?

[hebichan]

I am so annoyed because afjksjfksdksjcjsjcjwifj

Look, I'm town reading you, just not your partner.

I also think your reads are bad.

I just have a problem with the reasoning which is stupid cause ur IC.
If u weren't confirmed I would rail you for it.

Which parts am I wrong about and why?

Also bad logic isn't a scum tell. Townies have bad logic all the frigging time, case in point, me.

So please, elaborate because your posts have been extremely short.

[hebichan]

That's like a reason for reading me as null

I mean, that's true. I just don't tend to sort people as null in my head, I guess.

[hebichan]

GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.

---

Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.

On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.

---

I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.

I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.

cut. I strongly advise all unpaired girls to try and pair if possible. you can be choosy, but pair.

Can you ask me to dance already? I hate to beg, but really.

[hebichan]

It's obcious no matter who I pair with at this point someone will be upset.

And key, make a case on why it shouldn't be you if you're that concerned. If not you, then who should be booted out?

[hebichan]

Mechanically impossible due to gender not being male

But if no one asks her?

Then we have 3 dead people and you still get left out.

[hebichan]

From the first post "pre-dance will last 8 days." Sounds like a deadline to me.

[hebichan]

I've said this before, btw. More proof that you're not reading my posts.

Maybe because you're wrong. You should read the set up.

[hebichan]

The real question key, is if no one else asks mint, would you?

[hebichan]

Well there you go. No one is leaving mint regardless.

[hebichan]

Sure, but that doesn't mean she'll accept it.

Sure but that has nothing to do with the fact we have one too many guys to pair off evenly and we have to sacrifice one regardless.

[hebichan]

We have so many people with weird activity times, also we have like, just over 24 hours to do this I think, so can we just pair up?

[hebichan]

p-edit: I like maxous/giga priscilla/penguin dan/me and in that case it would leave vecna or key/mint which is meh either way and will probably get killed at some point.

That, though I will take anything at this point.

[hebichan]

p-edit: I like maxous/giga priscilla/penguin dan/me and in that case it would leave vecna or key/mint which is meh either way and will probably get killed at some point.

That, though I will take anything at this point.

All your scum reads are in the existing pairings, then?

No, I mean I specifically will take anything.

Also people seem to be doing what they want anyhow.

I do find it more likely scum paired early than not though. Key and Mint are mostly the people I feel could be scum and are unpaired, most likely.

[hebichan]

Guys: Maxous, Dan, Priscilla, Key, Vecna

Girls: Me, Mint, Penguin, Giga

[hebichan]

We have so many people with weird activity times, also we have like, just over 24 hours to do this I think, so can we just pair up?

The game started on saturday FYI, meaning we have at least 62 more hours or so

You are correct, it would seem.

[hebichan]

Still not coming around to me being obv-town Hebi?

Obvtown, no, town-lean sure. Wanna dance? You're probably more active than anyone else left.

[hebichan]

burn it with fire, bury it in earth, consume the ashes.

This dance hall wont know what hit it.

[hebichan]

I thought about it here and there today, but I'm opting for the simpler game with confirmed town.

And so. With that.

May I have this moondance with you, Hebichan?

Do you promise to be an active partner, or will you be complacent?

[hebichan]

Hmmm the last few pages have been interesting to say the least. I am sticking to my previous assumption that most of scum team already paired off here.

I think that the appeasing vote thing could be said about a number of players, especially early on.

If key is town maxous, who would you leave out?

I'm strongly considering dan still, thanks for giving me a second option though Vecna and third in Key.

Mint/priscilla seems fine overall. GBT/Key would seem optimal since they both seem to want to read each other and I don't have good reads on either slot at this point, so it's not as risky.

Vecna, who would you pair with if I didn't accept your proposal?

[hebichan]

I'm just waiting for pairs to finish tbh

Who are you and what did you do with angrycat?

She got married, moved in with us permanently and gets lots of pets all the time.

I accept you into my heart Action Dan, let us dance into the sunset.

[hebichan]

RIP people who had the game "solved" already.

Thanks, deadline, for happening while people were asleep and helping us autolynch down to two scum.

Hey, I was right about key being the most likely scum by the end there.

I ask people let me try to read Dunn a bit more before you all start to vote him but I really do think he's town right now he said he was gonna start "playing" in our pt so give it a bit of time.

Tick tock. Though I agree that rushing a lynch on dunn won't help us when a single lynch will take us to intermission.

[hebichan]

Seriously, I think hebichan deciding who should be paired with takes away the fun of the game. I joined this game because of this mechanic. But meh, let's all have a fun game.

All these talk about how we play this game is boring, party pooper, etc etc. Let's just do what we ought to do and let the game flow.

That avi is bad key.

A woman posing to take a picture in front of her pink lamborghini is not bad but okay ill change to a more appropriate one if i get a chance

keyenpeydee:

I'd like to know why you proposed to dance with Gigabyte out the gate. Nothing else interesting here.

So the pushback to me leading the pairs was scum led in the first place. Think that is rather interesting.

Giga is an amazing person and I would like to play with her <3 though I don't think I would be happy to dance with her since she doesn't like hoods. i'll think about this.

GigabyteTroubadour, care to dance?

I'm starting to feel jealous

Id like maxous to team up with A2 actually.

Id hate Cabd to pair up with A2

Please convince me on Cabd
because I really do not understand that read.



and omg everyone wants me um...
I think I need some sleep and thinking about this before I decide the dude I want to dance with.

Pair with maxous
I think both of you will do great

True story, I had a high school boyfriend who dumped me, then asked me to prom a week later 'as friends' while telling me not to worry if I declined because he had set up a back-up date with a mutual friend. Yes, I made sure to set that mutual friend up with someone else before turning the ex down. Don't do the backup thing, ha.

This is savage loool
and being a backup hurts
it feels like you're just an option.

My readlist

The people who I can confidently say they could be town:
Vecna - his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.
Priscila - though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.
Maxous - townread because most of his posts I agree with.
Giga - townlean
A2 - townlean

Maybe town:
Cabd
Penguin
Fire
LLD - she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.
RC
MariaR

The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:
Dunnstral - don't like his posts and anything about the slot.

Still trying to sort:
Mint
Action

Giga and Vecna should pair. I'm confident that both of these slot are town.

Priscila should be with Hebi.

Mint and Dan are the ones who I don't townread at all, so I could confidently say they could flip scum.

GBT pair with me
Vecna should be with Hebi

Priscila is most likely town from this, since he would want me to team with obvtown to shoot it.

[hebichan]

I feel like last 2 scum lives in fire/shiro, dunn/maria, or just cabd in all worlds.

I don't really see anyone else really being scum at this point.

[hebichan]

If you don't think there's scum in A2 and Cabd the only joke here is you~ Plus you're voting town so.

Why is there scum in A2 and Cabd? Which one would you guess to be scum?

A2

So key V A2 was scum v scum?

[hebichan]

If you don't think there's scum in A2 and Cabd the only joke here is you~ Plus you're voting town so.

Why is there scum in A2 and Cabd? Which one would you guess to be scum?

A2

So key V A2 was scum v scum?

Yes? Why ask this if I sr them I clearly think it was scumvscum >_>

Because I'm asking why you read it that way.

[hebichan]

He mentioned the fact deadline was coming up several times, as did I, to which you replied that we were spreading misinformation and there was no such deadline. Cabd kept on updating us with a live timer to the deadline.

[hebichan]

Welp, I'm so dead, and I'm wanting Dunn out super hard myself.

Goddamn it, you didn't have to leave here.

Basically town, lynch dunnstral.maria,

I wanted some time to look over the game more before you guys suicided all over the place.

Probably lynch priscilla/mint too, but I feel less certain on that.

Honestly its a shame several pople didn't even get a post in dance before we went into intermission.

Vote DunnMaria

Not that it matters too much anymore.

Note, I would have sheeped fire aftr a few ore days of discussion, probably.

[hebichan]

Seriously, all I wanted was a little time to let more posts come in, because we were only one pair before intermission happened.

Now we'll be down 4 town probably.

[hebichan]

It's weird Priscilla keeps talking about me without you know, wanting to talk to me?
It's like talking about someone in the room while actually nfclike they aren't there.

I don't think that means anything. Hebichan did the same thing to me just a while ago

Why would I engage all that hard with a scum read? I kept asking you for content early on and you barely gave me anything good, so I decided it wasn't worth.

[hebichan]

Why would I engage all that hard with a scum read?

This is a terrible attitude with mafia play.

And I can go into it longer but seriously. No one should be playing like this.

Okay, let me put it another way, after being accused of not reading the game and peddling misinformation about the very real deadline, I did not feel like engaging with that slot.

After dunnstral claiming that his amazing pleading to maria to townread him and appealing to her emotions, and then giving a read that amounted to 'I dunno,' I also did not want to engage with that slot.

[hebichan]

And then Maria refused to actually give a reason for scumreading A2 except for vague tunnel reasons, and didn't explain why the hell A2 vs. Key was SvS because it seemed completely legit at that point, at least from A2's side.

Key was giving a low effort attack on A2, but key was being low effort on everything.

I get what you're saying a bit dunn, but considering no other scum came to do it either, I find that line a little unconvincing. If you did come to Key's aide and he flipped anyhow, you would have been tunneled even harder than you already are.

[hebichan]

And then Maria refused to actually give a reason for scumreading A2 except for vague tunnel reasons,

It's been like 8 hours, back off

no? If you ant me to reconsider engaging my scumreads, then let me do that, if you want me to back off let me back off.

You can't have it both ways.

I'm probably dead very, very soon.

[hebichan]

It's because you seem hostile, not because you're scum

I hate mafia.
It has nothing to do with you.
I am sorry.



pedit: Low effort wasn't really my points on Keyen.
Low effort isn't even a scumtell to begin with.
Like
tbh I don't think anyone even considered or read my case on Keyen.
I just don't think
anyone cares.

I wasn't saying you were claiming key was low effort, I'm claiming that it wasn't a SvS because you felt like you genuinely wanted it to lynch, but key's attack on you did seem low effort on his part (i rtrospct bcause he was scum.)

[hebichan]

I'm probably dead very, very soon.

Notably not because of MariaR

What does your opinion have to do with my scumlean reads?

Seriously.

[hebichan]

Hebi it wasn't low effort
it was unnatural.

Regardless, i don't think you were, and that is my main point, how key felt or not doesn't matter as much as my town read on you because you are still alive.

[hebichan]

I'm pretty convinced that Fire is town. Everything about his play here reminds me of town fire I saw before

He reminds me a lot of the normal game where I scumread him after replacing in. He was the read I got the most wrong. I wish I hard more on shiro, because that slot just feels like there could still be something there.

[hebichan]

I'm probably dead very, very soon.

Notably not because of MariaR

What does your opinion have to do with my scumlean reads?

Seriously.

You wanted Mariar to explain a read she made

that was like 8 hours ago and then rc left the dance now

This phase went by very fast. I plan to talk to her about a2 over intermission and other reads

And this is my last chance to do the engaging you want out of me so badly.

I don't care what you do over intermission, because scum will likely make it nice and quick for you. Plus, if maria is scum, you could be super easily pocketed right now.

Like, if you want me to talk with people, let me do it on the last chance I have.

[hebichan]

It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

Oh really? Refresh me as to whose scum again?

LLD/Penguin_Alien/Dunnstral

Townreading every single one of these

i have to agree here, that's pretty strong for LLD at least, who shouldn't have had a big read in either direction at that point, at the very least.

I want to see its less how he said it and more the confidence at what was said here. At the time, I was kinda happy to let it lie, because RC was being an arrogant ass and in general I think P_A was pretty good town at that point.

But I don't like how FB just outright dismissed all the slots.

p-edit: Though, if fire leaves hes town anyhow.

[hebichan]

I feel like people shouldn't post intentions to pull out of the game, it just makes you look super scum when you don't follow through but makes you town if you do.

I've seen 3 people do it now and I'm convinced they're all town.

[hebichan]

We're also focused super hard on people who are actually posting, while mint, maxous, cabd, p_q, and shiro are pretty much being glanced over because we ended the phase so early.

[hebichan]

This dialogue wouldn't have happened if I hadn't stepped out.

the game wasn't going anywhere.

We hadn't heard anything from several people this phase and will likely not because you decided to step out.

Get over yourself.

[hebichan]

You guys know there exists more than thinking someone is 100% scum and tunneling them? I'd like to actually discuss all possibilities

It is why I didn't vote on your pair as soon as thread opened up.

[hebichan]

How about you start expecting LLD to be a human being then tell me to get over myself.

I didn't make you make that offer.

[hebichan]

Maxous and Priscila is the confirmed scumteam.

Third time's the charm?

I agree that pair should be lynched at least. Dunn/Maria and Priscilla/Mint should go. Maxous should have a strong look over.

[hebichan]

I agree that pair should be lynched at least.

Which pair?

Maxous/Priscila isn't a pair

I clarified in my next post.

[hebichan]

Rather my next line, I meant pair of pairs.

Eh whatever, it doesn't matter. IF you read the next line of that same post, I clarified the teams I thought should go, and maxous/priscilla wasn't even something I said.

So thanks for the multiple misreps after repeatedly claiming I don't read.

[hebichan]

Maxous and Priscila is the confirmed scumteam.

Dunn/Maria and Priscilla/Mint should go. Maxous should have a strong look over.

Does not mention Maxous/Priscilla is an actual pair.

[hebichan]

That was my randomized scumteam.

It's legit better than half of the other reads I've been hearing.

[hebichan]

Btw if MariaR is scum you guys don't get to act like this was my fault when everybody tunneled onto me specifically. As if that somehow means they were correct

Then don't tell me off when I question her specifically.

[hebichan]

Like, seriously, every single interaction I've had with you has been specifically hypocritical in some manner.

I started to townread you and scum read maria for a little bit, admittedly briefly, and you act like you want to be the sole decider of her status.

Then you want to say that we shouldn't feel good if we lynch you and shes the scum of the pair.

[hebichan]

It's ok Hebi, I'll forgive you for this game with an apology after the game. Rc too.
A2 you're alright though you insinuating I held a grudge wasn't cool.

Fire you've been chill all game

Maria sorry to put you in this position and thank you

lld I wish you luck in your future endeavors. I'll leave it at that.

Actiondan you're tunneled but atleast you're not toxic

I'll apologize forthe things I said unrelated to the game. Related to the game, I'm not going to apologize for pointing out you have been wrong on several points and never having you acknowledge it.

Especially now that I am engaging with you, you're deflecting and calling me toxic.

Like.... I didn't engage with you because you were frustrating me, fire and you asked me to engage, I said I didn't want to engage with my scumreads. You said that was anti-town. I started doing it because I reconsidered. I got frustrated with blatant hypocrisy coming from you, even after having doubts on my reads on you. I get called toxic for pointing out where you have been hypocritical.

I can't apologize for that.

[hebichan]

I think we can just talk about toxicity and who needs to apologize or w/e post game.

Rather agreed, I would rather speak with dunn out of game about the other stuff afterwords, and not have it used against me in thread.

I wanted to ignore obvious bait.

[hebichan]

Regardless on being incredibly fed up, before the night ends I guess I'll give my last thoughts.

Scumlean:

dunnstral - The constant attacks on my credibility as conf town seem extremely perverse, especially when I was not the only tunnel at all, and yet dunn addressed me and tried to attack my credibility more than anyone else. Despite this, i think there is a case to be made about not knowing about the timer, since scum might have clued him on that. Though dan has expressed doubts about this in our QT.

Maria- Mostly just the really forced tunnel on A2 and the lack of response since, plus the super easy give on dunnstral after seemingly scum reading him for a bit.

Both- I don't like how quick the pair formed. But that doesn't really mean as much as anything else, considering the avatars.

Priscilla- I had a scum lean on this slot before due to the hedging I felt was coming from it, but RC wanted them in, so I conceded that. After letting priscilla develop more reads and arguments, I haven't seen much to improve my thoughts on the matter. Paired with mint over giga, when giga was a stronger player at that point.

Shiro and Mint- Both these slots seemed like they were way too passive, but it could have just been the state of the game at that point
..........................
Town lean- Action dan, I feel like everything both in and out of QT I've heard from him is well reasoned and that he's genuinely trying to sort the game. Though, the lack of criticism on me in particular rubs me a bit of the wrong way. I admit this has been a bad game for me overall (even if I disagree with dunn for why that iis.

Fire- I feel like he's really going to leave, which is rather sad, because I think he's town. Hopefully shiro isn't.

Everyone else I honestly don't know.

I really don't.

[hebichan]

Guys, this is getting tiring to read through.
Play nice please.

I'm town because the dead scum was laughing at my shit reads.
Probably the lamest town defence I've had in a while but when life gives you lemons etc.

I agree it likely means Priscila!town too.

As of now I'm thinking a Shiro lynch but if we're going to intermission I'm going to sort out my reads on everyone in the PT anyway.

This is getting tiring to post tbh. I was still happy to play this game until tonight. Kinda happy I'm being shot after this trainwreck.

[hebichan]

Oh, I guess I also townread A2.

[hebichan]

Actiondan is waiting for the ic to push me instead of doing the dirty work himself

Exactly why I was waiting to post so long. Lurking as the should be dead IC is kinda interesting.

Anyhow. I'm not sure I like this shiro push, on the one hand, shiro very well could be trying to lurk out as scum, on the other, inactives are very easy pushes.

I'm having a very hard look at the game now that I wasn't NKd.

[hebichan]

Hebi I think you not dieing is WIFOM to attempt to build up paranoia against Dan to get a wagon started on them.

I agree, the other half of why I didn't speak up before now was to see if anyone was going to try to wagon dan.

Besides a few mumbles though, it seems to have been unfruitful.

[hebichan]

The major issues I have with dan right now is that it makes virtually impossible for scum to win if I make it to lylo and dan is also town, and we have a pretty good chance of hitting scum in our next two lynches.

WIFOM is a pretty risky move.



On the other hand, before w woke up and I thought we were dying, dan did say he wanted lynch cabd but first "slaughter maria/dunn." in our QT

p-edit- god I want to see more maria and more shiro.

[hebichan]

I think she feel asleep during intermission.
I am just holding a lifeless body as I do a dance.

She was only half awake during the pre-dance, hence why its so hard to read.

[hebichan]

Snowing is basically when you play someone you're close to emotionally really well and get them to play how you want them to when you're the opposite alignment.

[hebichan]

I only heard it from LLD before this game, so I dunno.

[hebichan]

I don't really get it either, maybe its like snow white?

[hebichan]

well like, you play innocent so you're playing the part of snow white? Or maybe it means you're blinded by snow.... I dunno man, I didn't make the term up.

[hebichan]

Urban dictionary says it means to persuade or deceive. Maybe overwhelmingly.

[hebichan]

Lynch MariaR

Whelp I am completely still up for this since dunnstral has yet to convince me that he looked into what I wanted him to yesterday.

[hebichan]

If you don't think there's scum in A2 and Cabd the only joke here is you~ Plus you're voting town so.

Why is there scum in A2 and Cabd? Which one would you guess to be scum?

A2

So key V A2 was scum v scum?

Yes? Why ask this if I sr them I clearly think it was scumvscum >_>

Because I'm asking why you read it that way.

Sooooooo are you actually going to address the odd reads she was giving off yesterday?

[hebichan]

Town pairs:
Priscilla/assemble

Possible town:
Dunnstral/Maria

Likely scum:
Action/hebi
Cabd/A2
Shiro/me

The priscilla/asssemble town was the only town read fire had here. Maybe scum does live there?

It's hard to 100% read dan as town, his posts have been good, while fire and key were both posting pretty weakly all game though. Assemble slot could very easily be scum if that pattern holds. Even the replacement for mint hasn't been all that active.

Any thoughts from priscilla?

[hebichan]

Hi Hebi.

I have a major concern that I want to discuss with somebody who is confirmed town so Imma do so now.

If you'll be around for a second?

Yup, I'm here. What's the what?

[hebichan]

Or it could be she thought you were just trolling. It would be way too early for you to troll.

Howdo you feel about dan, cabd? I sort of want a rad on him from everyone.

[hebichan]

There is only one other pair alive besides mine and yours.

Sooo question is how do you read priscilla/mint replaement slot.

[hebichan]

I feel like assembles agreed to that way too quick.

[hebichan]

Well, I mean, that post gave literally no insight into his thoughts, so I would agree.

feel like scum trying to force lylo.

[hebichan]

vote: priscilla-assemble

it's not really like the slot has done anything all game, regardless of who was in it.

[hebichan]

vote: priscilla-assemble

it's not really like the slot has done anything all game, regardless of who was in it.

Are you comfy with Dan such that if priscilla-assemble flips T-T I'm good to walk?

Give me like a half day afterwords, but 95% yes.

[hebichan]

That is my 5% doubt, dan has been making a lot of pro town moves, but under commits on them.

It was my thoughts when we ended up alive, and well dan has been town read all game.

It's weird we were alive at all. I still feel like the assemble slot has a chance, but I feel preetty strong town on everyone else. So, I wouldn't want to have cabd leave right away. Even making that offer feels bad.

[hebichan]

Well, my line right now is vote this then leave. I think assembles is pretty sketch, i think I town read both of you more than dan.

[hebichan]

That's a good deadline, yeah.

If this is T-T.

I just dont want to have one of us go inactive and have to force the leave before deadline.

Whoever is the last scum will just have to out argue the others, I guess.

[hebichan]

I request a VC.

[hebichan]

ActionDan FoSes Fire for most of the game but doesn't vote him but goes for Dunnstral instead while Fire takes stances against him the whole game, basicly setting up a bunch of false dichotomies that they can't be paired together.

Neither part of this statement is true. I only took a closer look at Fire after intermission, and Fire only explicitly targeted me after I questioned him. It's up to you whether you think that interaction could be a bus, but as I said to hebichan in our Pt, I objectively would not think so as an outside observer.

Dan also talks to me as if he's trying to pocket me

I don't see how I'm treating you different than others in terms of tone or language I'm using. No one else has made two good cases on the two flipped scum and besides that I've found other corroborating evidence that suggests your town. It is what it is.

Also Hebi, what do you mean by undercommit to my reads? I've never backed down from them, and while I've expressed my doubts about a couple in our Pt, they don't disintegrate or appear out of thin air.

I said you did feel like you followed through on actions, not exactly your reads.

For example, you started pushing me to push cabd in the qt even though I thought we were going to die, but never made the move yourself.

[hebichan]

Crap, I was about to suggest I actually leave and not have IC in lylo, in case dan would scum, it would make an easier desicion. Well, there goes that idea.

[hebichan]

Okay, Cabd, convince me that A2 is scum over dan, go.

[hebichan]

My kingdom for hebi to be around. And Dan. I wish all four of us were here right now singing.

What do you even need from me?

I just need to read what you guya have to say, my vote is the only one that really matters and I don't have to convince you guys I'm town.

So maybe give me some stuff out of your qt?

Way I see it, its a 2/3rd chance that I get scum if I lynch cabd/a2 and a 1/3 chance on my side. But....yeah.

[hebichan]

TBH i just need sanity and somebody to tell me that walking out instead of trying to deal with this is the wrong option.

Look, I town read you 100% at this point, and I should make this decision here.

[hebichan]

cabd, why did you never vote on firebringer?

[hebichan]

oh. weird, sorry, was just looking at the VCs.

I feel like dan's posts were more content driven when he attacked fire and key, and A2 was more emotion driven.


I have a verdict.

VOTE: Cabd-A2

[hebichan]

The thing holding me back right now is the conversational fire and A2 had. But I can see that being fun "let's bus and kiss ITT" planning.

Eh, we'll find out, won't we?

[hebichan]

I was in the middle of a post btw

um

good job!

I was just looking at your posts and you seemed way too interested in actually reading things.

Sorry you needed to die to win cabd!

Sorry Alisae, Why didn't you guys shoot me, btdubs?

[hebichan]

GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.

---

Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.

On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.

---

I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.

I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.

cut. I strongly advise all unpaired girls to try and pair if possible. you can be choosy, but pair.

If this is a bus I'm very proud of you dan. Especially the "cascade" thing is just so likely to come from town.

The re-reading of this post won us the game. If you're both not trolling

Yeah Hebi
we thought Maxous and P_A were just a lot more dangerous then you two when Dan had 0 Charisma and tbh you weren't much of a threat Hebi.

But.... math, I was never getting lynched and lylo was always going to get pretty sketch for you with an IC. I always had a bit of paranoia about dan, but his posts were so good, why I tr him from the start till the end.

Pretty glad I didn't team with maxous, dan was the choice I ended up going with because it was the least likely to get auto shot. So I guess I called right.

[hebichan]

And I'm good at scum it's just moments like Final Days where I just don't seem to win it.

pedit: I was riding on the Dan paranoia.

It was never THAT high.

I said as much to Dan in our QT, but I did need to play it up.

You should have countered cabd's constant wondering if he should leave with your own. Honestly, the face you were both sort of soft pushing cabd but making no effort to signal you had the intent to leave was the gfirst tip off.

Dan never leaves, but if you think your pair is a decent chance to have scum in it, you should leave.

[hebichan]

I can't leave when I'm the only person on my scumteam that can potentially carry.

I mean during this particular phase. In lylo, not earlier. You can at least signal the leave even if you don't follow through.

Cabd 100% looked town to me by this last lynch.

Dan was like 85%

[hebichan]

Town won in the long term right? Worked out.

[hebichan]

honestly not killing our pair put them on a clock, as long as I thought AD was town at least.

As long as fire was out of the game though, I was always going to make sure I got to lylo.

i dunno, its pretty risky.