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Post Post #182 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:01 am

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In post 163, PenguinPower wrote:
Vote Count 1.04

Flavor Leaf
(3): rb, Flavor Leaf, Eddie Cane
Ausuka
(2): wavemode, Perfect Fifth
Perfect Fifth
(2): Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul
Eddie Cane
(1): Sunlit Diamond
Dunkerdoodles
(1): Ausuka
UnaBombaH
(1): Ciara24
NotTheRealPaul
(1): skitter30
Sunlit Diamond
(1): UnaBombaH

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(1): Thor665

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Vote: Flavor Leaf


Since people are complaining that we're making mountains of molehills, let's just speed lynch someone for reactions so we have stuff to analyze.
Any other problems I can solve? ;)
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Post Post #183 (isolation #1) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:02 am

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

And may vote tags and this new rule habit die in a fire.
Back in my day we didn't use an auto counter and we liked it.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:23 am

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Did my vote tip Flavor into being a wagon or did something else change between this vote and your last post?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:59 am

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In post 187, UnaBombaH wrote:I have intent to put you at L-1, but its not real if one vote is your own.
Why would it not be real?
And what changed to make you not care if he unvoted himself first?
In post 188, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; Nothing changed. I was going to vote Flavour Leaf in my last post, but I forgot to.
So you listed off your top three, had a top one, and just forgot?
That feels unlikely to me.
In post 190, Sunlit Diamond wrote:That was fast. *squints*
What was so fast about it?
I will presume by your *squint* you find the speed suspect somehow - who do you find suspect in creating/maintaining the speed and why?
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Post Post #193 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:00 am

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In post 191, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: flavor leaf
I support this hammer.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #5) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:07 am

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In post 194, Sunlit Diamond wrote:The squint stems from me being not at all used to hammers happening so quickly and having no idea how to interpret it.
8 pages and around 36 hours is unusually quick for you?
Also, you made your comment prior to the hammer, so this is not a valid answer to my question. Can you try again?
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Post Post #201 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:09 am

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You're no fun Penguin.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:15 am

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In post 202, NotTheRealPaul wrote:pedit: thor was that sarcasm? please tell me that was sarcasm
It was not, and Penguin knows it.

Eddie can be an exceedingly soft town lean at the moment.
So can Una unless Flavor flips scum, in which case lynch this with fire.
Don't have a good feel for the Asuka slot yet.

I'd be okay with the idea of flipping Paul or Sunlight (preferring Sunlight)
Would still like to flip Flavor most of all.
Anyone have hammer intent?
We should get a hammer intent.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #8) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 210, Eddie Cane wrote:nah flava is probs town
Why is that?
In post 216, Sunlit Diamond wrote:And yes, 36 hours is fast to get someone to L-1 (or a hammer) in my experience so far.
Fast for a hammer, sure, but fast for L-1?
I'm sorry you're playing in bad games.
In post 221, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: eddie

it's ok, lemme start a counter wagon
:neutral:
Oh please no, I was starting to think you knew how to play the game.
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Post Post #226 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:04 am

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In post 224, UnaBombaH wrote:I still support his lynch, I just appreciate fair play with quickhammers, as in I want the hammerer to know he hammers, and everyone to know he knows.

Understand?
I can understand that.
So why did you change your mind about voting him prior to his unvote?

@Eddie - if so I feel like you'd still be trying to advance the game. Maybe you're working some ultra amazing strategy by self voting, but I personally doubt it, and find it rather boring and meaningless. I look forward to being proved wrong though, so if it's a thing rock on.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:06 pm

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In post 228, Dunkerdoodles wrote:VOTE: Flavour Leaf
L-1 I think
Why would you vote if unsure?
In post 230, wavemode wrote:If anyone hammers FL without declaring intent and giving him a chance to claim or make final statements they are confirmed
scum
bad players.
Fixed.
In post 233, Eddie Cane wrote:what are your theories as to why i self voted?
I don't have or need theories, I have reality.
A self vote is utterly meaningless and people do it for an assorted number of reasons all of which are badplay unless they're scum, or a very limited number of special roles.

So basically, unless you're scum you're playing badly.
In post 238, wavemode wrote:I mean, if FL flips town it would show everyone that this wagon was stupid and very obviously fueled with scum votes.

That said, unlike most day one lynchbait I think FL is actually useful to town so it's better we just don't kill him.
Why do you think FL is useful to town?
I've seen no evidence of that thus far myself.
In post 255, rb wrote:Everyone who joined the wagon on flavor leaf, give reasons pls
I already gave my reason - feel free to address it if you want.
This sounds like empty rattling to me - did you actually miss the reasons (I can think of at least three players who gave clearly stated reasons, counting myself)? Or are you needing them repeated for some purpose I'm missing?

I approve of the Sunlight counter wagon.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #11) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:08 am

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In post 269, Eddie Cane wrote:why would it be a good play if I was scum?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ng_as_Town
In post 270, Eddie Cane wrote:I would like to point out I called leaf dude town with no reasoning and his wagon died. wow. I'm good.
The wagon is, at the time of this comment, still the biggest wagon.
It slowed, it didn't die.
I'd also blame/praise rb for that situation, not you.
In post 272, Eddie Cane wrote:does someome feel like making a list of players who WERE voting leafblower11 at the time I fake hammered and are no longer voting leafjob555

I will then punch those calculations in and produce scum
That list would be rb and you.
In post 281, NotTheRealPaul wrote:Lol who do you sheep when your scum then?

And why should I have expected rb to explain his reads lol. Silly me.

Can someone explain the sunlight case to me?
The Sunlight case for me is - opportunism.
In post 286, rb wrote:thought processes are scummy
This is bad, and you should feel bad.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #12) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:10 am

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In post 292, wavemode wrote:
In post 266, Thor665 wrote:I approve of the Sunlight counter wagon.
In post 291, Thor665 wrote:The Sunlight case for me is - opportunism.
I don't understand your position.
Make the second comment from me a description of *why I think he's scum* (which is the question I was answering) as opposed to a description of why I don't like the wagon, and then magically my position becomes clear with no odd reversal of opinion.
In post 295, rb wrote:Tbh i was gonna tell the mod i didnt wanna play with thor but i was like meh it cant be that bad, then i ws like maybe ill just /out but was like meh it cant be that bad

its probably gonna be that bad
Why is it going to be bad exactly? Maybe I can change.
Unless your argument is that it's pro-town to not explain your thoughts, in which case, yeah, it will be that bad ;)
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Post Post #304 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 296, wavemode wrote:Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.
How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?
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Post Post #307 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:37 am

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@Ausuka - why do you rate rb's townishness so low and skitter's so high?
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Post Post #309 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:52 am

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In post 304, Thor665 wrote:
In post 296, wavemode wrote:Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.
How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?
@wavemode - I'm thinking you missed this. Can I has answer?
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Post Post #311 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:06 am

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In post 310, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.
If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.
Literally the only way that makes sense is if
1. He and Flavour are scum buddies.
2. He decided to aggressive push and then pansied out.
or
1. He's scum who is scared of being on a lynch wagon...so started a new alternate lynch wagon.

Neither explanation seems too likely, wouldn't that make him less likely to be scum and, thus, more likely to be town?
Am I missing something, or do you disagree with my logic?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:06 am

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@Ausuka - also, you didn't answer the Skitter portion of my question, could you field that one also? Why is he such a town read for you?
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Post Post #315 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:50 am

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In post 313, Ausuka wrote:I agree that none of the three points you mentioned would make much sense. I think that if Rb is scum the most likely explanation for counterwagoning SD is for towncred. The lynch on FL wasn't going through this early ever, so there wasn't much point to staying onto it if he was scum- the wagon would just crash and lose momentum anyway since nobody would accept a hammer this early. He could gain easy towncred by taking a step back and pretending to be wary of the wagon. It's not really AI in my opinion, since there are valid explanations from both a town + scum point of view.

I put Skitter in the town section because I like her posting so far on a whim; the analysis feels genuine to me and she doesn't feel like she has any particular agenda at this point (i.e, she doesn't look like she's grasping for towncred, setting anything up, or trying to lynch anybody.)
I feel like you're applying different levels of analysis to rb and Skitter.
Do you disagree with this? If so, why?
If not, why are you doing this?
In post 314, wavemode wrote:
In post 304, Thor665 wrote:How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?
Uh, this doesn't really track logically. Yes, it's unlikely for wagons to form on scum quickly, but that's not my only reason for thinking FL is town. That would be foolish. I think he's town because I don't scumread his actions. Conversely, I wouldn't flip around my scumread on SD simply because people are agreeing with me.
Sorry, when you brought up only the wagon speed I thought that was a big issue for you - I'm happy to agree it's NAI any day and all day and agree it's foolish.
Do you town read FL or just not scum read him?
If you town read him - why?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:33 am

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In post 316, wavemode wrote:I don't scumread him. And he is counter-aligned to the people I gut scumread. Simple as that.
I'll agree that's simple.
Just surprised at the level of shade throwing on a wagon you don't town read the target of is all.
In post 317, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; I didn't think as much about Skitter because I didn't see anything that made me doubt my townread on her.
That sounds like a double standard though, which is my issue.
If Skitter defaults to town and hasn't done anything to look scummy that implies that literally everyone you read as lower than her (like rb) has done scummy things.
Yet you're not calling any of those people out on doing scummy things.
In post 331, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Er. Why am I being voted for?
Why not?

VOTE: Sunlight Diamond

L-2, now you can feel pressured to read up.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:33 am

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VOTE: Sunlit Diamond
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Post Post #348 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:08 am

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In post 345, Sunlit Diamond wrote:rb has far more content to go through and balance my read than Ciara does.
So, because he's done more, you scumread him more than people who aren't doing spit, even though you don't find his actions scummy.
Doesn't that seem illogical to you? Theoretically people not doing things should be at a lower level than someone who *is* doing things you don't find pro-scum, yeah? It's like you're describing why scum should lurk as a strategy, shouldn't you be avoiding that?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:20 am

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In post 350, wavemode wrote:@Thor Actually you misunderstood that. She was saying that she townreads rb because he has more content.
You're right, I was mixing it up with the Skitter conversation she and I were having.
Though, frankly, I think my point still holds if you just flip the names around, and that she puts another low content poster lower than Skitter still vibes odd in how she's putting together her reads. The entire list feels like it has an agenda to it, it doesn't make sense logically as far as I can tell.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 353, Eddie Cane wrote:hey Thor, do u think it's reasonable to scumread you atm?
I couldn't describe why people are scumreading me if you offered me a million dollars to do so right now, so I can't really offer a valid assessment of it.
But my guess is it will be a Day 1 case, and thus, due to my activity and pro-town play thus far, inherently is flawed considering other options.
In post 354, Ausuka wrote:Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.
You said you read her off of 'whim' correct?
If it's gut I'll let it drop because it can't be debated with logic, but I don't like the look of your read list regardless and it does feel like you have motivation for some unusual placements.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 368, Sunlit Diamond wrote:meh. Fuck it. VOTE: wavemode

Still open to being converted to the Thor wagon. then Paul can ride it by default.
Why is wavemode scum exactly?
I find his reads terrible, but his actions feel pro-town to me and he at least feels like he's trying to gamesolve in some manner.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #25) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:00 pm

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@rb - whatever, Skeletor can't puzzle out that Prince Adam = He-Man

In post 373, Sunlit Diamond wrote:
His reads ARE terrible. He also spends an awful lot of time telling other people how they should be reading things.
He's also basing his read of me on the idea that I'm keeping rb at arm's length (and maybe that I said I liked what Ausuka had to say...once....?), but when I stated that I believe rb is town, he then has a problem with that.
I also just plain don't like the tone of his response to my scumread of him; it resonates with prior experiences I've had.


So. Keeping my vote where it is.
Red = Non alignment indicative.
Yellow = as far as I can see, a misunderstanding or misrep of what wavemode has said.
Orange = unless those prior experiences are with wavemode, this is probably non-alignment indicative.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #26) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:01 pm

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In post 376, Eddie Cane wrote:rb I'll vig a person of your choice if u get thor lynched
If I flip town though, I get to choose, deal?
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Post Post #385 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:28 pm

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In post 383, Sunlit Diamond wrote:That's fine in your opinion. In my opinion, I'm keeping my vote where it is.
Would you kindly examine the yellow one more closely - because that appears factually to just be straight up a lie on your part, or really bad reading of what he said.

As you work on that I'll be here.
Voting you.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:44 pm

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In post 392, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I'm not purposely misrepresenting, that is legitimately the only thing he's referenced me in.
I will agree that you showed that he talked about you.
However your initial claim was that he used a double standard and judged you as scum for holding two opposite opinions - you have failed to show that he did this at all. The closest you got was claiming that 'since then you've changed your mind'. Okay, let's say you did...how does that affect his read on you prior to the mind change? It doesn't have to, and he could quite legitimately feel that you changed your mind to appease him, and he also assuredly never called you scum for holding the opposite opinion - making your claim that he did a lie/misrep as I said.
In post 388, wavemode wrote:I think we all have different definitions of pro-town.

Like, I define pro-town as things that help town.

For example, FL's self-vote? That helped town. If you don't see why then you're not paying attention to what's been happening in the game.
I will agree with your definition but not your application.
A random speed wagon with no claim asked for before hammer on Day 1 can hit scum - that is pro-town results without pro-town play.
Even if you think the self vote helped town via providing info (which I'd debate), it doesn't make it pro-town to have done in the first place. It might be pro-town results, it was not pro-town play.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:01 am

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We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

I'd much rather get a L-1 and claim now, so we have time to discuss said claim and potentially run up another option, than to wait until five hours before deadline for a derp rush where we end up hammering without a claim.
I know this goes against site meta, but I'm a rebel.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:46 am

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Oh, end of day derp os pro-town now?
My bad, I'm old fashioned.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:31 am

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I'm on the largest current wagon and noted him as a secondary read so am clearly walking my talk.
10 days to deadline sounds like the perfect time to get a cnsolidated wagon together and get a claim (which should still take 1-2days) leaving us then 8-9 days to discuss, and potentially put together another wagon.

I don't understand why this is;
1) confusing
2) scummy.

Clue me in?
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Post Post #413 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:56 am

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I wrote the wiki I'm linking to so...

The Fifth case literally doesn't exist even compared to the other wagons.
Stop being obstinate and belligerent for no reason.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #34) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:29 am

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In post 414, wavemode wrote:Why did Ausuka sheep rb, then turn around and insist (not suggest, but actively insist) that Dunkerdoodles was scummy for doing the same thing?
I like your case okay and don't trust the Ausuka slot - but this is a misrep or misunderstanding of her stated position since her issue involved not his vote, but his unvote.
Does that thought adjust your case?
In post 417, rb wrote:Thor do i rly seem like the kind of person who is capable of being reasonable
Sorry for presuming you have a brain and use it?
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Post Post #434 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:58 am

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In post 420, rb wrote:Why are you answering for other slots
Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.
What, I'm supposed to wait for someone else to call it a lie/misrep before I can question it?
That makes no sense - why would that help?
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Post Post #435 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:01 am

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In post 432, rb wrote:Thor why are you so unfathomably out-of-character and disengaged in this game?
How many games of experience do you have with me exactly?
How much have we talked about theory?
I don't think you know me as well as you appear to be claiming to.
In post 432, rb wrote:Making lots of non-posts, clarifying small or overall irrelevant things about other's posts or just asking questions or just gaslighting others by stipulating what does or doesn't make sense - while offering no real purposeful reads or insights of your own creation?
I have offered multiple reads, and I disagree with you that my questions are meaningless.
What subject/person do you think I'm avoiding/not giving an opinion on?
This is empty blather.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:11 am

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In post 436, wavemode wrote:Ausuka's problem was that Dunker wasnt generating reads or asking questions
Can you link to where she indicated this, the part you quoted in your case did not have her saying that at all.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:12 am

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Looking for myself, both Post 90 and 174 seem to support my take of what she said and not yours, am I missing something else? I'll admit I'm quick skimming.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:25 am

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Okay, so she cited both points, I see that now.
In post 414, wavemode wrote:Why did Ausuka sheep rb, then turn around and insist (not suggest, but actively insist) that Dunkerdoodles was scummy for doing the same thing?
This part of your case still doesn't seem to quite apply - it's less of a hypocrisy attack than a 'that's ridiculous to expect so early' attack.

Pedit - hi Eddie, nothing there is actually particularly scummy at all, so...? I don't get you or rb acting like it is. Even if you disagree with me and think the last day/hours is the perfect time for a claim to help town you're debating a playstyle preference not a scumtell. Derp.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #40) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:29 am

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Also both of you lackwits are failing to justify how I explained my scum strategy that I think is bad town strategy on my wiki years ago, and in literally every game I'm ever asked about it indicate it's how I think people should play. But of course I had to lay out false meta for this one shining moment in order to fool you guys in this most renowned game I've ever played in.

I just got sick and tired of this derptastic play.

Explain why it's a scumtell - go, explain it and try not to drool or trip over big words. I don't care to coddle you lackwits anymore.
Chime in rb - consider that a gauntlet for you also, you're playing like a dim rock.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:29 am

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In post 445, Eddie Cane wrote:hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?
By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:30 am

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I mean, I *agree* with you that no one anywhere ever said what I'm doing is pro-scum, but that's beside the point.
Why do YOU think it's pro-scum?
Be exact.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:31 am

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The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...
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Post Post #451 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:32 am

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"Thor wants wagon consolidation and discussion after claim"
Y'know, like NO TOWN PLAYER EVAH!
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Post Post #454 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:35 am

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How am I following the wiki other than ARTICLES I MYSELF WROTE - WHICH IS CALLED FOLLOWING YOUR OWN BELIEFS?
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Post Post #455 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:35 am

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In post 453, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 447, Thor665 wrote:
In post 445, Eddie Cane wrote:hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?
By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.
so to be clear, you just told me I should only use the tells you have wrote on the wiki to scum hunt?
Quote where you think I said that.
This is straw man weak bullSMurf and really dumb.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:36 am

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Hi, I'm Eddie - I'm making straw men and putting words in Thor's mouth and claiming he's doing something that he's actually not doing as, if I had ever managed to figure out how to click a link I would have realized THAT EVERY WIKI LINK THOR POSTED WAS TO THOR'S OWN PROFILE AND NOT AN ARTICLE AT ALL.

Derpa-dee! I'mma pretend like this is a scumtell people should listen to and claim i caught a scumteam off this deeply reasoned case!

*barf*
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Post Post #457 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:37 am

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You're literally vomiting a case and wanting me to take it serious.

Why can't you express yourself without me needing to put boots on to wade through it?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:41 am

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In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:you're literally just writing words.
Yeah, that's how we all have to play this game.
In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:you're not saying anything relevant. you spent what, 5 posts to express the great point of "only wiki tells matter stop scumreading me and vote on the wagon I want you to"... tossing in some omgus at rb though I'm unsure if you're omgusing me or not (probably?).
I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.

C'mon.
In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:hey

wait a second

isn't using a ton of words to explain something simple/unimportant, or overexplaining, a
wiki approved scum tell !!!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o
Sure, it could be - so what?
That would only matter if I was doing what you claim I'm doing.
Which there is no evidence to support.

C'mon big boy - prove your words.
I can prove mine, why can't you back up yours?
Show where I've made these claims?
Anywhere.

Heck ANY GAME.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:42 am

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In post 459, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 456, Thor665 wrote:Hi, I'm Eddie - I'm making straw men and putting words in Thor's mouth and claiming he's doing something that he's actually not doing as, if I had ever managed to figure out how to click a link I would have realized THAT EVERY WIKI LINK THOR POSTED WAS TO THOR'S OWN PROFILE AND NOT AN ARTICLE AT ALL.

Derpa-dee! I'mma pretend like this is a scumtell people should listen to and claim i caught a scumteam off this deeply reasoned case!

*barf*
am I scum?
You might be, but I don't think so, and that's why I'm pissed off at how idiotic your reading is.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:42 am

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In post 461, Eddie Cane wrote:and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.
I think your rb case has never been presented.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:43 am

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In post 463, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 449, Thor665 wrote:The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...
you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?
I spent 6 posts to repeatedly point out how you're not reading what I'm saying or are too dense to understand it.
Pick one.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:43 am

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In post 462, Thor665 wrote:I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:43 am

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In post 467, Thor665 wrote:
In post 462, Thor665 wrote:I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.
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Post Post #469 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:44 am

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This is why the site is in the garbage, people lack the ability to read.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:44 am

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This used to be the smart guy site for Mafia.
*sigh*
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Post Post #471 (isolation #57) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:45 am

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Rb, you're next - prep up your massive meta awareness of me - I want the list of our games and examples to how I "normally" play.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:48 am

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I guess this is taking a while to compile all the massive quotes of me telling people to only follow wiki tells.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:49 am

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Because that's how I won all those IC scummies - because, y'know, the Mafiarchy.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #60) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:50 am

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I'm less pissed now, so Eddie, if you thought I was calling you personally stupid I aplogize.
I was trying *very hard* to express how stupid I found your case on me though.

It's made of wind, derp, and made up BS and that's ridiculous that I even have to listen to it at that stage.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #61) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:51 am

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And you should have the self respect to be aware of what it's made of.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #62) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:05 am

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In post 447, Thor665 wrote:
In post 445, Eddie Cane wrote:hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?
By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.
In post 476, Eddie Cane wrote:my first claim is that only wiki tells matter according to thor. as you see in 445, I bring up the very reasonable point; I said that the wiki is not the only way to scum hunt. then, in 447, we see thors reply; "by that logic every post is scummy". aka, I said that things can be scummy that aren't wiki tells, and his reply is that everything can be scummy in thst case. aka, omgus, use wiki tells newb.
Actually, what I was saying there is that if you agree nothing I was doing was scummy, but that you need to call it scummy because...? Then every post is scummy.
You don't need to use a wiki tell.
You do need to use A tell.
In post 476, Eddie Cane wrote:he attacks the users, as opposed to the premise.
You just agreed there was no premise - how do I attack nothing?
And I have attacked it - I called it nothing.
In post 476, Eddie Cane wrote:the cool one. vote on the wagon I want you to. this is along with the top of 409 saying he is voting the largest wagon. and, in 405, he tells us to consolidate on a wagon. he basically just used a work around to convince us to sheep him. calling it a "secondary scum read" is utter bullshit, considering it's who you're voting and those words are meaningless. this isn't even subtle, he's just telling us to sheep him.
I agree, I'd love it if everyone sheeped me every game.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:06 am

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In post 478, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 465, Thor665 wrote:
In post 461, Eddie Cane wrote:and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.
I think your rb case has never been presented.
correct. I'm not asking your thoughts on my case. I'm asking your thoughts on scum!rb.
I've called him town.
So...I think it's dumb.

What's your reasoning that it's not dumb?
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Post Post #484 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:07 am

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In post 480, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 466, Thor665 wrote:
In post 463, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 449, Thor665 wrote:The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...
you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?
I spent 6 posts to repeatedly point out how you're not reading what I'm saying or are too dense to understand it.
Pick one.
The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...
Yeah, good thing I'm not explaining a tell, I'm kvetching about your inability to describe why anything I've done is scummy.
Scathing.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:08 am

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In post 477, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 474, Thor665 wrote:I'm less pissed now, so Eddie, if you thought I was calling you personally stupid I aplogize.
I was trying *very hard* to express how stupid I found your case on me though.

It's made of wind, derp, and made up BS and that's ridiculous that I even have to listen to it at that stage.
I don't really get personally offended over mafia. dw.
Yeah, I don't like it if I think people are calling me stupid though, so I endeavor not to do the same to others.

Your case is a sack of sad schmegles though.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:09 am

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Also your only example for me citing wiki tells comes after you started claiming I was doing that.
Derptastic my friend - so even if I think you read it the way you're claiming, you must also have been living in the future to do so.

Pull the other one, it has bells on.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:10 am

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While we're at it, can you even name one wiki tell I've used?
Y'know, since I claim only wiki tells are to be used, and all scumhunting must come from them?
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Post Post #488 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:10 am

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I've linked none.
I've cited bone.
I've not claimed anyone should be using one, much less only using them.

Derp.
Derp.
Derp.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #69) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:08 am

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In post 517, Eddie Cane wrote:anyways thor we can go back and forth more if you really want but I don't think that line of discussion is going to help game solve so unless you object I'm dropping it.
We can't go back and forth if I'm the only one offering facts and legit thoughts and you're vomiting.
I'm fine with you dropping the vomit though, as long as you admit it was vomit and then justify the vomit.
Because in a bit you're going to try to justify it, and it's only more vomit.
In post 517, Eddie Cane wrote:how do you read ausuka? if I take my vote off you it's going onto them. or rb. I think rb is probs town tho. maybe.
I lean scum on her but hate the case people are sheeping and am not feeling overly confident of the energy there.
In post 519, Eddie Cane wrote:if thor is town i think rb is likely scum. if I switch my vote off thor I believe he's town. I don't atm. maybe hell convince me. if he does rb has my interest.
Why does me being scum or town in any way affect rb's alignment?
In post 522, rb wrote:Thor's AtE is cute

More Thor votes please
Explain why you claim meta awareness of me.
Because I barely remember you, which makes me think we've had, at most, two other games together - so what makes you think you can read me exactly?
Because you're acting like you can, and I don't think that's justified.
In post 540, Eddie Cane wrote:what if I am intentionally misrepping him?
Then you're a worse player than I originally thought, because there is no valid test in intentionally misrepping someone because BOTH town and scum find it obnoxious and attack it.
In post 548, Sunlit Diamond wrote:The one thought I have that shakes my read and keeps me from just parking him in the town zone is this: Why are you engaging with Eddie at all, Thor? do you think he's scum, or are you just blowing off steam? Or are you tanking for your team because eddie and rb could rip them apart?
1. I ignored the bullSmurf from both of them for quite some time.
2. Eventually it just got annoying to have to listen to derp with no backing so I "engaged" to simply ask them to 'explain their case'
3. I got vomit from Eddie and ducking from rb.
4. So...yeah, I live in terror of their ability to put together cases :neutral:
5. My confrontation worked because now multiple people are realizing they're full of gak, and now Eddie is dancing around and I really hope he manages to keep my soft town on him, because his Smurf is looking WEAK right now.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #70) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:11 am

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I also like Skitter for town now also, which makes me feel less bad about Ausuka, frankly.
I also like Flavor better now.
Still fine with Sunlit lynch.
Would also do Ciara or ThinkBig in a hot second.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #71) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:17 am

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In post 564, wavemode wrote:Why does feeling better about skitter mean Ausuka is town
Because most of my personal issues with her were odd reads on her reads list, but if you're town and are also low poster, it doesn't make a ton of sense to bother buddying you for no reason.
In post 568, Eddie Cane wrote:u really need to get laid though fr
I get laid enough.
You really need to try to justify your weak ass play with something better than "I lied about him as a reaction test - becase when someone has a scum or town PM it changes how they react to lies" though - because you're getting laid too much and getting your brains scrambled on some high class hijinks if you think I'll buy anything as derpy as that.

Stop dodging, just man up and respond. It will be sexy.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #72) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:17 am

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In post 570, Thor665 wrote:
In post 564, wavemode wrote:Why does feeling better about skitter mean Ausuka is town
Because most of my personal issues with her were odd reads on her reads list, but if you're town and are also low poster, it doesn't make a ton of sense to bother buddying you for no reason.
To clarify the 'you' here being Skitter, not wavemode.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #73) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:31 am

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In post 572, Eddie Cane wrote:i didn't say that.
You implied it rather strongly and are unable/unwilling to clarify what you're actually on about so I'm just going to presume you're doing exactly that till you grow a set and make a declarative statement.
It's okay, your balls are probably drained from all the sex, so I understand why they're weak ;)
In post 577, wavemode wrote:
In post 570, Thor665 wrote:Because most of my personal issues with her were odd reads on her reads list, but if you're town and are also low poster, it doesn't make a ton of sense to bother buddying you for no reason.
I think skitter is the one who initiated it with her . Assuming skitter is town, scum!Ausuka would clearly see someone like that as an ally not worth attacking.
Not worth attacking? Okay, sure, either alignment would do that.
Rando town reading off a stated 'whim' and sticking to that after questioning? Seems less likely to me after such a long period.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:46 am

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In post 585, wavemode wrote:And here I thought this game was going to be boring
It kinda is at the moment though.
We have a 4 vote and 3 vote wagon, and multiple 1 vote wagons an dmultiple people not voting.
But at least we'll use 'all the time' so that's pro town.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #75) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:47 am

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In post 576, PenguinPower wrote:Not Voting (4): UnaBombaH, NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Flavor Leaf [ThinkBig]
I'm a Cop, I checked ;Not Voting; he is guaranteed not to flip scum.
So why are all these people sitting on him?
It's a mystery.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #76) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:00 am

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In post 589, Eddie Cane wrote:I didn't say it, I declared it
So are you going to explain how lying to pressure someone gets a reaction other than annoyance now that you have lied to pressure me and gotten annoyance as a reaction?
Because I'm still thinking that makes it a pretty anti town play at *best* and you're looking worse and worse to me the more you stick to this empty dodginess while doing nothing besides acting proud that you have a pro-scum play style.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #77) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

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Basically you're saying "all my pushes are serious and will be acted like they are, until someone points out that I'm lying and suck - then I'll claim it as a clevah reaction test even though it blatantly isn't!'

It's a snore fest of vomit play.

It's like a Newbie game move by someone who thinks the point of the game is to just be a troll and ignore win cons or is scum.

Which are you?
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Post Post #596 (isolation #78) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

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In post 593, Eddie Cane wrote:i didn't say I lied
I will agree you haven't admitted it despite the overwhelming evidence.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #79) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 am

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In post 595, Eddie Cane wrote:you're omgus is cute tho:*
I've cited specific reasons for my issues with you - learn what Omgus means before you try to whip out buzzwords.
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Post Post #600 (isolation #80) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 am

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In post 598, Ciara24 wrote:Also is it cool if I just completely ignore Eddie and Thor because all the anger is giving me a headache
No, it's not cool, and even a cursory skim ought to allow you to make a value call on the issue.
That's the way the game works.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #81) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:09 am

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In post 601, Ciara24 wrote:the two of you are literally just going back and forth, even thought you both tried to stop it a while back and then you're going at it again. You're getting angry, eddie doesn't care, and so the cycle goes on. I'm ignoring it until I can make sense of it.
First off, "all the anger" is literally jut me.
Second off I (and others) have said he is misreppinglying in what he's saying.
Eddie isn't claiming he's not lying (though is dancing the line about admitting he was lying).
Factually you ought to be able to look at that and come up with some very simple questions that should be EASY to answer and take less than five minutes of effort.

1. Did Eddie lie/misrep in his press on me?
2. Is this lie/misrep bad play or scummy play?

That's one of the most basic of scumhunting questions, and since #1 is actually a factual reality it should be easy to at least sort 50% of the entire issue in moments, and after that it only leaves the personal value call to be made, which should also be quick.

Taking the back seat walk away/fake horror at the emotions on the field is just an excuse to not weigh in on a topic and is one of the reasons I think you're scum - you're sidelining hard and are intentionally avoiding taking sides on any issue. That's scum play 101.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #82) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:11 am

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In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 599, Thor665 wrote:
In post 595, Eddie Cane wrote:you're omgus is cute tho:*
I've cited specific reasons for my issues with you - learn what Omgus means before you try to whip out buzzwords.
oh my god you suck
as you constantly discredit and insult me. after I voted you, of course. buzzword itself is a buzzword tho. try again babe.
I discredit and insult you due to facts.
Feel free to address those facts and then maybe it will stop.

I'll agree buzzword is a buzzword - it doesn't change the fact that you don't appear to know what OMGUS means considering how you're using it.
Feel free to offer up your definition of it though if you're using an alternate one.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #83) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:11 am

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In post 606, MarioManiac4 wrote:it's not about you refusing to give walls of reasoning

it's about you refusing to give reasoning

also eddie vs thor is like nowhere near as toxic as games commonly get and idk why you dont want to read it \o/
Because he's scum.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #84) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:12 am

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He doesn't even need to read it in depth, he can get the gist very quickly in the first handful of posts - it's an empty dodge on his part.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #85) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:12 am

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In b4 Eddie claims this was his strategy to out scum.
I won't buy it and will simply barf in my mouth a bit to hear it.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #86) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:25 pm

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In post 619, Ciara24 wrote:from my skim over the last few days, I think eddie is playing you, so yeah, there was mirepresentation involved. that's my answer to question 1.
in answer to question 2: if I am correct in my thinking that it was some sort of a reaction test, I feel like it would have come from town!eddie. now I feel like it's a complete clusterfck of the highest order.
So you did read it and did draw conclusions - why did you then post what you posted about ignoring it?
In post 620, Ciara24 wrote:
In post 613, Eddie Cane wrote:nah I'm just not replying to you like I said pages ago because it's a waste of time and doesn't help game solve.
this
That would hold water with me if he wasn't still calling me scum.
He's basically admitted that he's lying about me but hasn't changed his read - and rb thinks *I'm* the toxic one (which ignores that he's being more toxic than me and apparently came in with a grudge on me from...something)
It's weird and annoying.
In post 635, rb wrote:here's the thing: thor is an excellent lynch whether he's town or scum, because there's now 3 slots who cbf even interacting with him. so we're at an impasse where we either start policy lynching 3 ppl or we policy lynch thor (who simultaneously has a high chance of flipping scum)
You do note that one of those slots is you - who had a grudge to start with.
One is Eddie who, by HIS OWN ADMISSION. chose to pick a fight with me, lie about me, and annoy me for...reasons (and this makes *me* the problem in your mind)
And the third...who is the third?
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Post Post #656 (isolation #87) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:16 pm

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In post 651, Eddie Cane wrote:thor, q; do you believe ate is readable & some people can read it well?
Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy, so I'm not sure what you mean by "readable". Do you mean "do you think people can spot the logical fallacy of ate?' In that case - sure.

The phrasing of your question suggests to me that by AtE you may just mean 'emotional posting' in which case I submit that anyone familiar with another person is generally able to read their emotions and some people are better at it than others, sure.

If you think I buy that you're trying to read *me* through my emotions, a player you don't know from Adam? Then, no, no I don't believe that at all.
In post 652, Eddie Cane wrote:if there's anything particularly important thor / skitter want to ask me that I ignored let me know. I am not going to uselessly argue game theory and get in a useless back and forth about wording, got places to do and things to see.
I still have my initial question that you've dodged - which is why you think lying about someone's behavior will generate alignment telling behavior?
In post 654, rb wrote:Thor didn't have to respond with 3 pages of AtE defence and i don't think town Thor does so.
What does town Thor do and what evidence do you use to reach that conclusion?
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Post Post #657 (isolation #88) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:20 pm

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@rb - Eddie has openly admitted he was trying to goad me and that he was lying/making up his case on me, how does that affect your read of my reaction exactly? Or, more precisly, why *hasn't* that affected your read?
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Post Post #658 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:22 pm

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Because everyone else here, even Eddie despite his bluster and mock outrage, seems to be on the same page about what happened - you need to put meta cards on the table and explain this thought process because no one else sees what you see nor understands it. If you want the Thor lynch you need to explain it. Otherwise I'm sticking to my value call that this is your vendetta for some perceived slight in the past (that, judging by this game, I'll suggest wasn't my fault then either).
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Post Post #719 (isolation #90) » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:57 pm

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In post 659, Eddie Cane wrote:yes, I used ate in the mafia definition, not the actual one. aka, emotional appeal. when did i lie about someone's behaviour?
You lied about mine multiple times and I noted them at the time.
In post 666, rb wrote:it's funny how i post a bunch of posts with reasons and your response is, "but what r ur reasons???"

if you weren't such obvious scum i'd be annoyed
Actually my response is far closer to 'what's the meta' because your case is predicated on a implied grasp of my meta. If we take away your ability to say 'town Thor wouldn't do this or that' you're not left with much of a case on me other than 'Thor got angry when goaded' which is a BS case.

So, what's the meta?

Also, as asked, 'why didn't your read on me change after Eddie's claim of intentionally trying to upset me entered play, since you're claiming town Thor wouldn't get annoyed (for meta reasons you duck explaining)'

Also, you accuse me of not trying to gamesolve - what parts of the game do you think I'm avoiding? Which players am I not giving thoughts on? Which ongoing discussions have I ducked. I don't think that's a valid complaint nor supportable.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #91) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:14 am

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In post 723, rb wrote:hey thor, let's play a game:

you find where i ever said this was a meta read

misrepping scumfuck
You did it here;
In post 654, rb wrote:Thor didn't have to respond with 3 pages of AtE defence and i don't think town Thor does so.
And I asked you why you think town Thor wouldn't do it.
You also did it earlier and I asked you what townThor would supposedly do.
You also cited me as not "being as involved" as townThor would be a few days ago.
All of that is meta as far as I'm aware. If you don't consider it meta, then switch me saying meta to whatever word you use to describe the above, because you did do these things and that's what I'm referencing when I say meta.

I also asked you to (non-meta, but relevant) explain what reads/people/actions I'm ignoring in favor of defending myself - because I've actually commented on basically everything and everyone in the game, which then discredits the rest of your case on me that isn't your magical feels for how I play.

You, then, continue to duck defending your case and keep repeating it while claiming I'm misrepping you or overly defending myself.
If over defense is going 'hey, how do you have this meta' then, sure, I'm over defending - but I don't consider that over defense, I consider that asking you to back up your stance.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #92) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:17 am

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Also, while we're at it, you were calling me scum *LOOOOOONG* before my AtE *or* "over defense" so...that actually is kind of weird, why was I scum before I did these current things you're calling me scum for?

It's why I think this is a personal whine vendetta against me and why your case is bunk. It's changing, unsupported, gak.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #93) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:18 am

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In post 727, rb wrote:god if ur town ur actually the biggest fucking idiot in the world
Serious?
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Post Post #730 (isolation #94) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:19 am

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In post 726, rb wrote:Where do i actually say this is a meta read or hint that it's specifically based on some specific instances - that's the shittest way to use meta and you're blowing this out to epic proportions instead of just playing the game because ur a scumfuck
You're claiming to understand how town Thor plays - like I said, if you don't want to call that meta we can call it 'aardvarking' I don't care. As long as you understand what I'm pointing out as the issue.
If you know how town Thor plays and require this to call me scum, where are you getting your info? I think that's meta, but call it whatever you wish.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #95) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:20 am

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I'll agree with you that you never used the word meta, but that doesn't change that you're citing awareness of my play in your case.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #96) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:22 am

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In post 732, rb wrote:l o l you have literally done shit all and your 'commenting on' things is just worthless making ppl jump through hoops like you're trying to make me do right now
I agree that if you ignore my scumhunting then I haven't scumhunted.
In post 732, rb wrote:wait why am i arguing with a scumfuck
I'm not sure, literally you're playing the definition game to try to avoid answering a simple question.
Why are you doing that?
I presume it's because you have no answer and this is personal, not game solving.
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Post Post #734 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:22 am

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Like, did I kick your puppy or something sometime?
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Post Post #735 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:22 am

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SHould I replace out and we take this to PM or have a phone call?
Because you're very angry at me for nonsensical reasons as far as I can see.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:23 am

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I'll replace out and call you right now if it would help.
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Post Post #737 (isolation #100) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:23 am

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Because I don't need to ever deal with this in another game ever.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #101) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:25 am

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In post 738, rb wrote:even now you are neglecting to comment on major wagons,
The only wagons of note are Sunlit (which I'm on) and Ausuka (which I've commented on.
Do you need links?
What other wagons do I need to comment on?

I'm dead serious about the replace out and call/PM - this is weird dude.
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Post Post #743 (isolation #102) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:27 am

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In post 740, rb wrote:?

you're the narrow minded idiot who keeps repeating the word 'meta' out of thin air as if the way people use meta is to just compare some arbitrary specific behaviour to some other specific arbitrary example like some stupid brick
I've also *specifically* noted where I think you're using meta, and agreed that we can use any other word you care to - but that the word used won't change my point.
You've then ducked responding to that in defense of complaining about my word choice while ignoring my point.
How is that not you playing the definition game?
I'm open to use any word you want, and have agreed with you that you never used the word meta - how is that me trying to play the definition game?
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Post Post #744 (isolation #103) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:28 am

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In post 741, rb wrote:rofl wtf no

replace out if u want, dont call me i dont care.
No, c'mon, you are SERIOUSLY pissed at me, and I can't imagine it's about this game. What did I do to you?
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Post Post #748 (isolation #104) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:29 am

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In post 745, rb wrote:. . .

please lord have mercy
You're dodging again.
Like, okay

I RETRACT ALL CLAIMS OF META BEING USED BY RB, I WAS WRONG AND TERRIBLE!!!!!

@rb - what would town Thor do in the situations where you claim that Thor is not doing what town Thor would do and why do you have this opinion/knowledge of how I play?
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Post Post #749 (isolation #105) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:30 am

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In post 747, rb wrote:Your point

Is fucking

Non-existent

Idiot
I have rephrased my point, and the personal insults are uncool.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #106) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:31 am

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In post 739, Thor665 wrote:The only wagons of note are Sunlit (which I'm on) and Ausuka (which I've commented on.
Do you need links?
What other wagons do I need to comment on?
Also this, it's a big point of your case - why can't you claim what things I'm not commenting on?
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Post Post #751 (isolation #107) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:31 am

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Heck, part of your case on me is BASED ON MY AUSUKA WAGON COMMENTS.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #108) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:48 am

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In post 752, rb wrote:Your point is still not even a fucking point omg
It is a point though, because you and I both know that the point you're making is literally one based on no logic and is just a gut read, and I want you to admit that so that other people aren't fooled into thinking you actually have a deeper grasp of how I play.
In post 753, rb wrote:Simply making non-commital comments is not fucking playing mafia
Okay, so we agree I am making comments, but that they aren't committing. Okay, a bit of a word change, we're making progress!

What are the non-committal comments you think I'm making, maybe I can commit them?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #109) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:10 am

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So let's analyze the wagons, as rb claims I'm not doing.

We have three.

One of them I'm voting, and have called a scumread and said why.
One of them I'm not voting, have had rb claim I'm scummy for how I'm interacting with it (which would require me to be talking about it) and has two people I've called scum reads voting it, and I've said I don't support it.
The last is on me, which I've been accussed of talking too much about.

Yup, totally avoiding stating my thoughts on wagons, yeppers fer shure!
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Post Post #759 (isolation #110) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:11 am

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Oh, we also have all the people not voting (something I've also discussed and said I'm against).
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Post Post #761 (isolation #111) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:56 am

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I approve of Ciara votes, but what fails to sell you on Sunlit?
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Post Post #767 (isolation #112) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:20 am

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In post 762, NotTheRealPaul wrote:I like their recent pisting. I havent looked back to check what Ausuka's saying.

If u can convince me with quoted and stuff I'll hop on. Im too lazy to go back and read rn so for now Im not rlly on board with SD. I mean to go back and look but might not happen for a bit as I have a busy weekend.
I find their recent posting pretty empty, what did you like about it?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #113) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:40 am

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In post 769, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 765, Dunkerdoodles wrote:Ok so there's like no way both rb and thor are town unless it's scum theatre in which case we caught 2 scum.
VOTE: thor
good post.
But I thought the two of us were scum doing the scum theatre?
My bad, I must have messed this up due to my abstinence. I'll work harder next time.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #114) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:16 am

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In post 774, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 771, Thor665 wrote:
In post 769, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 765, Dunkerdoodles wrote:Ok so there's like no way both rb and thor are town unless it's scum theatre in which case we caught 2 scum.
VOTE: thor
good post.
But I thought the two of us were scum doing the scum theatre?
My bad, I must have messed this up due to my abstinence. I'll work harder next time.
why would you do this
Because he's ignoring how that case applies equally well to him and I.
And also it's a silly case to begin with.
So I made a joke.

Why shouldn't I have done that?
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Post Post #781 (isolation #115) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:43 am

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You act like he's been doing anything else other than one liners and that I'm risking shutting down an avenue of conversation that we're benefiting from.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #116) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:48 am

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Meh, whatever, it was a bad case and shouldn't be seconded without someone pointing it out.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #117) » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:54 am

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Insert the word of your choice then, but I suspect you know what I mean.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #118) » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:44 am

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In post 846, Mulch wrote:
@Thor


I want an explanation for this post.
I expressed my reads and felt that the game needed a claim to advance to the next stage of discussion and said as much.
Are you looking for the game theory breakdown of why we should have got a claim already, or are you looking for a breakdown of a given read?
In post 879, Mulch wrote:This triggers me
Why? I thought it was a good post.
In post 1078, Eddie Cane wrote:hey Thor, you said we should join the biggest wagon for claims. removing your vote, what's the biggest wagon?
The wagon on me, but I already know my role PM.
Removing your vote who is the biggest wagon?
Derp.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #119) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:53 am

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In post 1084, Mulch wrote:
In post 1079, Thor665 wrote:In post 846, Mulch wrote:
@Thor

I want an explanation for this post.

I expressed my reads and felt that the game needed a claim to advance to the next stage of discussion and said as much.
Are you looking for the game theory breakdown of why we should have got a claim already, or are you looking for a breakdown of a given read?
Breakdown of the reads
I liked Eddie for his attempt to reaction fish.
Una's ridiculous push onto Flavor felt brave enough to be blind town, but also looked potentially like a really bad bus, and I stated as much.
Paul I wanted to flip for his non-committal buddying behavior.
Sunlight I wanted to flip for posting a lot of words while saying nothing.
Flavor I wanted to flip for not having any real emotions to the push on him, which felt like deadened scum, and also because it was the largest wagon at the time and deserved continued focus.

You also skipped/missed my question to you;
In post 1079, Thor665 wrote:
In post 879, Mulch wrote:This triggers me
Why? I thought it was a good post.
In post 1197, rb wrote:lol @ how no one has any good reasons to townread thor beyond his 'emotions'
I find those reasons to be just as weak as the reasons for scumreading me, personally ;)
In post 1217, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i feel mulch and rb could both be scum
Both of them have been aggressive in pushing me as scum, and you're still voting me, so...how does that work?
In post 1219, rb wrote:VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

and it's someone i scumread anyway

jolly good
You're voting the person I've been trying to lynch most of the game while not changing your stance on me (or really on them as far as I can see)
How does that work?
In post 1263, Eddie Cane wrote:hey Thor are u voting mulch since he's the largest wagon and scumreads you
When have I ever voted someone for scumreading me?
If that was true I should probably have been voting you or rb for ages now, and I'm town reading both of you instead.
Any other straw men to waste my time with?

I'm also not voting the Mulch wagon at the moment because the speed of it building off the wagon on me makes me feel like it's just scum trying an alternate save for Sunlit.
In post 1302, Mulch wrote:1) I'm not claiming, so lynch at your own risk
2) sunlight diamond is town
3) thor is scum
Is your theory that I'm a counterwagon to Sunlit and you're a counterwagon to me?
Because the wagon composition doesn't support that stance (your wagon is basically my wagon) so that would potentially make me town and you scum or us both town, but how does it make you town and me scum with Sunlit also being town? What are the scum doing with their votes in your opinion?
In post 1306, frog wrote:Any chance you could provide objective reads of yourself? I played a game with you last year where you were scum and I was town, and I had early suspicions of you. I have early suspicions of you here, too, but I wonder if that is tonal rather than substantial.
I think it's impossible to provide objective reads of one's self. I can offer opinions on my play sure, but...?
And what sort of opinions are you looking for even? This is a very broad and undirected seeming question.
In post 1314, wavemode wrote:Why? There's no Mulch case. None. It's nonexistent

I think there's no real Ciara case either but I could be wrong, maybe someone could present it to me
I had a Ciara case based off their avoidance of commenting on the Thor/Eddie (or maybe Thor/rb) debate and how they were fake avoiding it.
I haven't seen any other cases offered, but I think my case holds water.
In post 1322, rb wrote:refusing to claim is town because___________________

fill the blank with good reasons if you can
Blank = lack of L-1+hammer intent would make the claim premature and weaken wagon analysis.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #120) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:21 am

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In post 1328, UnaBombaH wrote:I feel like I got all I needed from that vote
So for you it was just a reaction test?
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #121) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:47 am

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In post 1385, frog wrote:Thor can go back down to neutral for this comment. Ages until deadline, and already advocating compromise wagons. Plenty to discuss without losing conviction. Surely wagons with no feeling behind them are less useful than wagons which are more informed by reasoning?
And, yet, from here in the future I'm slowly being proved more and more correct on the thought.
In post 1385, frog wrote:Can you not think of a single situation in which waiting for somebody else to engage with faulty arguments might be useful?
No, I can't - describe or link one?
In post 1385, frog wrote:What? Would have been nice to know your reasoning at the time
Okay...I provided it before I made that comment, so it would have simply been repeating something I'd already said only a few hours prior.
If you're going to skim my stuff, don't complain about lacking info from me.
In post 1399, Eddie Cane wrote:no. that's not what I'm saying and you know it. mulch is the largest wagon, who by your own theory you should vote
That's not actually my theory, my theory is votes should consolidate off vanity wagons. I'm on the second biggest wagon that is in clear lynch contention for the day, so...
In post 1399, Eddie Cane wrote:and he also has a scumread on you which isn't meaningless.
Are you saying his scum read on me looks scummy?
Because otherwise it *is* meaningless for my read on him.
In post 1399, Eddie Cane wrote:even assuming after 8 years you haven't learned a basic concept ie speed of wagon being irrelevant, you want to argue that mulch is the counterwagon to sunlit. hey guess what; you also town read myself and rb, and rb and myself are the ones who made mulch a relevant wagon. your logic falls apart again.
Fascinatingly the wagon on him (and me) contains votes that are neither you nor rb - voters that I have called scummy.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #122) » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:41 am

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In post 1550, MarioManiac4 wrote:if mulch is scum:
Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

MarioManiac4 (f u eddie ill do what i want), rb, skitter30
Candidates For Promotion

UnaBombaH, Eddie Cane, frog
Watchlist For Meaniness

Sunlit Diamond, Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul, Flavor Leaf, wavemode
Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Thor665

will think more overnight
Eddie and me should be higher on that list.
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #123) » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:12 pm

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VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

The Eddie wagon makes sense from a VCA point, but I am suspicious it won't bear much fruit.
In post 1639, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1576, rb wrote:I wanna know why Thor literally just tunneled SD all day
I tunneled SD very hard too.

Or is it more that you don't see why Thor tunneled her?
He's been blind tunneled on me since I replaced in, so logic isn't to be expected...oh, wait, here comes the logic...
In post 1677, rb wrote:For reasons that are long and complex I think this is a central topic to figuring out Thor's alignment, however
:neutral:
Okay.
I already stated my reasons in thread - which of them don't you understand?
Also, what wagon do you think maybe I should have been on instead? There was never an option *remotely* as good for me barring only a desire to avoid a personal lynch.
I don't see any meat to this line of questioning.
In post 1684, frog wrote:thor665: thor has seemed very worried about how he looks and where he sits in relation to other players. The conflicts he has involved himself in have distracted us from useful play and disinterested plenty of players, and this is worse when his request to compromise wagon early Day 1 is considered. Further specifics deliberately left out to avoid a thor argument.
Even if I did exactly those things (woooosh!) how does that suggest scum intent?
At best you're describing bad play there, not scum play, what am I missing?
Also, why no VCA consideration? You have me and Eddie as top scum candidates and...nothing else in that analysis about how that seems unlikely (or, I suppose, explanation for why it is)?
In post 1721, Eddie Cane wrote:now I'm going to show everyone why wave/thor/??? is the team.
thor has been covered
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #124) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:53 am

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In post 1741, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor explain vote 1 sentence please
I did explain it, I said VCA.
Look at the wagon from yesterday and remove everyone I have called town - that doesn't leave you a lot of options, does it?
Now look at who I called scum.
Now ask yourself how likely it is that scum voted Mulch.
Now ask yourself whose vote looked the worst.
Compare to my scum reads.
And vote.
In post 1743, rb wrote:reasons for thinking SD = scum are not the same as reasons for tunneling SD

try again
That would feed back to my question of - where else should I go exactly?
Because I don't think it was a tunnel, but I'll agree I sat there the bulk of the day.
But where would town Thor (or any semi-thinking individual) go other than there?
Answer - nowhere.
Hence why I didn't move.
Derp.
In post 1793, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
In post 1791, Dunkerdoodles wrote:gutread skitter scum
I kinda agree with this actually
I disagree.
In post 1843, rb wrote:i need to figure something out

everyone please state their read on me if they haven't already:

dunker - town
eddie - town
paul - town
una - town
frog - town
mario - town
flavor leaf - town
thor - ?
skitter - ?
wavemode - ?

As far as I know, it's possible the entire game townreads me. Yes?
I have often stated my read on you, and for someone calling my play bad I find it silly enough that you can't figure it out that I'll refuse to answer.
In post 1864, frog wrote:You may as well apply it to everyone and everything and deflate every read that way.
I actually do - it's why I say most reads are inherently bad.
In post 1864, frog wrote: I think your words are deliberately misdirective, and I will never believe that you are just discussing theory, because I do not think that there is a universal way to play mafia.
I agree there is no universal way AND HAVE NEVER SAID THERE IS.
So how am I being misdirective exactly?
In post 1864, frog wrote: What about DunkerDoodles makes him scum, as opposed to anti-town or bad?
My town reads and the timing of his vote.
In post 1864, frog wrote:As for the Eddie Cane thing, I find nothing to suggest you cannot be scum together. In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you
No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
Are you calling Eddie really terrible, or are you saying that was good play for scumbuddies?
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #125) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:54 am

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Is there a wave case outside of the random theory association with me being scum?
I can't describe the case.
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #126) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:23 am

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@frog

Wrong is exactly the definition of bad if your goal is to be correct. So, yes, it makes perfect sense to me.

I agree they didn't go anywhere productive because neither could present nor support a case - do you disagree with this? If so, where do you think they went off the rails and why?
(also I would call that 'going nowhere' since I was not trying to misdirect anything - I was being very pointed in the direction I was going)

Yes, the Mulch wagon assuredly, though his other votes also look fairly sketchy on the whole. He lurks and then pops up 75% of the way into a wagon to sheep it basically every time.

Thank you for agreeing with me that I should provide reads (like I did) and that you owe them (like you dodged)
Why did it not factor into your reads, it is literally the only major interaction we have had besides him trying to lynch me.

@rb - like what sort of stuff? Because I'm blatantly
doing things' so the only issue is what things I'm doing. What do you want me to be doing?
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #127) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:23 am

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In post 1875, rb wrote:You just fkn waffle
Besides Mulch what read have I waffled on exactly?
Or is that single waffle such a crime that it overshadows all others (and is a gross double standard looking at other players)
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Post Post #1878 (isolation #128) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:24 am

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Frankly I'm not even sure Mulch was much of a waffle, it was just a change of opinion.
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Post Post #1880 (isolation #129) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:55 am

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In post 1879, rb wrote:ur actual impact is just so low, ur word to presence ratio is appalling
Impact in this game requires people to sheep my reads.
I'll agree people haven't been sheeping me.
I fail to see how that is scummy, or even really my choice - I've *assuredly* stated my reads (like the one on you that you suddenly recall ;) ) I have *repeatedly* challenged people to tell me what I'm not commenting on (like the times I did it to you and it was dropped like a wet blanket) and I've even been called scummy for trying to get people to do what I want (like the consolidate thing).

Is that all part of my scum meta? Getting people to not do what I want via mind control powers or something?
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #130) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:32 am

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In post 1890, wavemode wrote:Nice strawman. I scumread you as well.
Why do you scumread Mario separate from his alt?
Even following the logic of scumreading him it feels like there are likelier percentage chances on a scum flip than him at this stage.
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Post Post #1927 (isolation #131) » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:25 pm

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In post 1924, rb wrote:whether or not he agrees with a read is pretty much just based on whether or not the read matches his own agenda, without really trying to read the slot in question himself and seeing if he agrees - as most town players will do.
If you see this as his agenda, how do you explain the scum benefit for him changing his reads - an issue you complained about multiple times?
It seems like either one or the other woud be his plan, not both.
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #132) » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:09 am

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In post 1928, rb wrote:His read-changing lines up with basically however he thinks the person casing is received by town, fmPOV. Doesn't really seem to line up at all with a thought process or like, comparing it to how he sees the slot. It's just "well that case looks bad so I think that person is town"
Considering he's gone counter to you on multiple calls and you claim (rightly) that you're the most town read player here, I fail to see the scum strategy exactly.
He appears to have opinions and express them regardless of whether they are popular or easy - that sounds like town to me.
In post 1928, rb wrote:Not sure if I'm getting your point but not gonna lie the fact that you zero in on literally _ONE LINE_ of that entire post and focus on some tiny-teeny aspect of it is SOOOOO triggering.
:neutral:
In post 1928, rb wrote: What's your read on wavemode, do you think he's scum or town? Why for either?
As I have said before - town.
I think probably some of it was his defense of me, and the rest is that he appears to actually read things and then offer thoughts on them - which is what you're claiming he's not doing without actually managing to show that he's not doing it, which is why I dared to question your one line (y'know, your *summation* line, which is a crazy idea to address, natch.)
In post 1931, rb wrote:And I tried, I tried so hard.
:lol:
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Post Post #1952 (isolation #133) » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:06 am

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In post 1936, rb wrote:can you just gimme ur reads on the entire game Thor
Town Pool
rb
Eddie Cane (skinniest hold on this position of any of them)
skitter30
UnaBombaH
wavemode
MarioManiac4

Scum Pool
Dunkerdoodles
Flavor Leaf

Meh Pool
frog
NotTheRealPaul

In post 1937, rb wrote:thor i really feel like you're just that guy who can't read between lines whatsoever and if something isn't really explicitly broken down it's like you'll obsess over some tiny detail for 27 years while everyone around you sighs and has aneurysms

don't take that the wrong way (if that's even possible) i'm just trying to express how exasperating it is to try and talk to you
I feel like you are randomly filled with anger and attack everything I say for half made up reasons and imagined insults that don't exist from a past only you remember and get really bent out of shape when ever anyone questions you.
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Post Post #1956 (isolation #134) » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:38 am

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In post 1953, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor do u have an alt that ive pkayed with?
If you haven't played with this account then yes - because I'm aware of your account.
In post 1955, frog wrote:Enough with the night speculation

Everybody should answer rb's question
Literally everyone who has posted since the ask has answered, who are you railing against? The non-posters?
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #135) » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:55 pm

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In post 1959, UnaBombaH wrote:I somehow feel like he was trusting on SD to live longer so that he could keep on tunneling her, but now that she is dead, he didn't have a good backup plan.
How does that make sense as a scumtell? Wouldn't a town player who just had their top scumread flip town *also* be uncertain afterwards?
In post 1960, Eddie Cane wrote:thors recent posts/still/ are trash
Explanation of scum still equaling zero here.
Par for course.
In post 1969, rb wrote:if both wavemode and thor are town we're actually fkn doomed
Only if people are dumb and lynch the slots on empty cases involving not paying attention to votes and making up meta.
In post 1997, rb wrote:This is basically just an activity list
Considering one of my scum reads is the third most active poster alive and that my town reads include Skitter and Una (3rd and 4th least active alive if you combine frog's predecessor's) I would suggest this is silly and untrue.
Also, even if it was true - I don't see the issue, are you claiming no scum lurk and no town are hyper active? Because even on random guess that would be fine as a theory starting point.
In post 2027, rb wrote:fuck it

too many of my townreads are townreading thor, so i'm just gonna go with it

thor, welcome 2 the townblock
I look forward to this lasting until I post again and trigger your feels.
Pedit: Wow, didn't even last that long :lol:
In post 2033, rb wrote:i'm honestly fine with anyone out of these slots at this point
Why do you not scumread Dunkerdoodles/scumread him less than multiple other people?
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #136) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:32 am

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In post 2082, rb wrote:thor you townread me but all you do when you post is do more and more to point out things you disagree with
I agree that when I post I express my opinion on things going on in the game... :neutral:
In post 2082, rb wrote:And nothing to push your scumreads
My psh on my scumreads would be the question about Dunkerdoodles to you that you are ignoring, and then claiming I'm not doing :roll:
In post 2082, rb wrote:if you do flip town well fuck (I'll ignore how this shows I'm a player who spent the entire game derp tunneled and will claim Thor did the scummy action of...well, there isn't a case, but he's been pure scummy, trust me and my blindness)
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #137) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:33 am

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In post 2076, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2033, rb wrote:i'm honestly fine with anyone out of these slots at this point
Why do you not scumread Dunkerdoodles/scumread him less than multiple other people?
Gosh rb, I wonder why I'm not trying to engage you in a conversation about my scumreads.
It must be because I'm scum - brilliant case, you are a genius.
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #138) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:55 am

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In post 2086, rb wrote:So you're town and think we're lynching town and not your top scumread, and all you do is ask, "oh hey man whats ur thoughts?"
As long as you ignore where I or wave before I got there have poked holes in the case on him, yes, that is all I'm doing.
You LITERALLY just got done whining about how I summarized your wave case and suggested it didn't make sense, and then dropped discussing it with me.
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In post 2086, rb wrote:i think hes sheeping, hes null or just nullscum.
He has happily switched his vote multiple times, and as we discovered yesterday between two town wagons (or from my view three) with no actual connection in reads.
He offers no thoughts of his own (an issue you claim to have with me, though you're applying the tell rather unevenly)
And he doesn't engage over anything (another of your claimed issues with me, even though I've pointed out how it isn't)
And all you do is null/null scum him?

Why so soft on a lurker slot with an apparent desire to offer nothing but opportunity votes?
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #139) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:56 am

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In post 1935, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1928, rb wrote:His read-changing lines up with basically however he thinks the person casing is received by town, fmPOV. Doesn't really seem to line up at all with a thought process or like, comparing it to how he sees the slot. It's just "well that case looks bad so I think that person is town"
Considering he's gone counter to you on multiple calls and you claim (rightly) that you're the most town read player here, I fail to see the scum strategy exactly.
He appears to have opinions and express them regardless of whether they are popular or easy - that sounds like town to me.
"Hey Thor, how come you not defending your town read from a wagon you think is badz!?! You scumz!!!"
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #140) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:57 am

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you know who's doing the opposite of what I describe in 1935?
Dunkerdoodle.
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #141) » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:58 am

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I wish I had a wiki I wrote about 'have your comments make sense, twits!' so I could link it to add to Eddie's case that I'm using wiki tells.
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Post Post #2173 (isolation #142) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:41 am

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In post 2110, Eddie Cane wrote:thor, push a. scum read and stop, in the words of the dude in my pocket, nitpicking
Much like rb, for you to say this requires ignoring how I have been actively pushing a read.
It's like being in an argument with a forgetful goldfish - there's no meat, no debate, and no logic. Huzzah.
Your case on me is based on multiple lies, if you are town you need to rework how you play because it is objectively sad to deal with.
In post 2076, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1959, UnaBombaH wrote:I somehow feel like he was trusting on SD to live longer so that he could keep on tunneling her, but now that she is dead, he didn't have a good backup plan.
How does that make sense as a scumtell? Wouldn't a town player who just had their top scumread flip town *also* be uncertain afterwards?
@Una ^^^
In post 2087, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2086, rb wrote:So you're town and think we're lynching town and not your top scumread, and all you do is ask, "oh hey man whats ur thoughts?"
As long as you ignore where I or wave before I got there have poked holes in the case on him, yes, that is all I'm doing.
You LITERALLY just got done whining about how I summarized your wave case and suggested it didn't make sense, and then dropped discussing it with me.
:neutral:
In post 2086, rb wrote:i think hes sheeping, hes null or just nullscum.
He has happily switched his vote multiple times, and as we discovered yesterday between two town wagons (or from my view three) with no actual connection in reads.
He offers no thoughts of his own (an issue you claim to have with me, though you're applying the tell rather unevenly)
And he doesn't engage over anything (another of your claimed issues with me, even though I've pointed out how it isn't)
And all you do is null/null scum him?

Why so soft on a lurker slot with an apparent desire to offer nothing but opportunity votes?
@rb
also @Eddie just to, y'know, allow you to *squint really hard* and maybe you can spot a push on someone I think is scummy? Derpa-derp, amirite?
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Post Post #2177 (isolation #143) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:45 am

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In post 2175, Eddie Cane wrote:thor, I have a reason to believe wave might be town. who should I vote if I change votes?
:neutral:
Dunkerdoodles.
Brilliant examination of "who does Thor think is scum" it's hard to tell since I'm voting him and over half of my posts this phase are about him and how I think he's scum.
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #144) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:59 am

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In post 2173, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2087, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2086, rb wrote:So you're town and think we're lynching town and not your top scumread, and all you do is ask, "oh hey man whats ur thoughts?"
As long as you ignore where I or wave before I got there have poked holes in the case on him, yes, that is all I'm doing.
You LITERALLY just got done whining about how I summarized your wave case and suggested it didn't make sense, and then dropped discussing it with me.
:neutral:
In post 2086, rb wrote:i think hes sheeping, hes null or just nullscum.
He has happily switched his vote multiple times, and as we discovered yesterday between two town wagons (or from my view three) with no actual connection in reads.
He offers no thoughts of his own (an issue you claim to have with me, though you're applying the tell rather unevenly)
And he doesn't engage over anything (another of your claimed issues with me, even though I've pointed out how it isn't)
And all you do is null/null scum him?

Why so soft on a lurker slot with an apparent desire to offer nothing but opportunity votes?
@rb
also @Eddie just to, y'know, allow you to *squint really hard* and maybe you can spot a push on someone I think is scummy? Derpa-derp, amirite?
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #145) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:47 am

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In post 2182, Eddie Cane wrote:but where do you go when dunker is a mislynch?
Why say when after claiming you can see him as scum?

When he's a mislynch I would probably asses the wagon on him and look for connections between it and the wagon yesterday, and would also consider the counterwagon and any night action resolution to reassess my reads with the updated info and come up with a new prime scum target.

If you can fill in some more of the theoretical in the above I will happily offer you a more defined take on who I would press tomorrow.
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Post Post #2184 (isolation #146) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:48 am

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Or are we just jerking you off here?
It feels like a jerk job going nowhere fast.
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Post Post #2186 (isolation #147) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:12 am

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Okay...

And you got my answer, and as someone with experience you fully understand that's literally as much of an answer as you can receive because there are far too many other variables at this stage of the game to make much of a prediction - and you also did nothing with the answer.
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #148) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:15 am

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At least when I ask "nitpicking" questions I seem excited to comment on the answers.
#caseonmeisderp
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #149) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:20 am

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In post 2188, rb wrote:Thor are you:

1. godlike level frustrated by this game and therefore derping all over the place
2. scum
I'm #3 - godlike frustrated with the game YET STILL TRYING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DERPS REGARDLESS.
Both you and Eddie keep asking me to do/provide things I'm already doing, and when I do them again/link them you just immediately drop the conversation chain like it never existed making me wonder WHY THE HELL YOU EVEN ASKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It's not even like you're calling me scummy for my answers, my perception is you're going 'oh, yeah, that is a reasoned and sensible response, but I *have* to call Thor scum because [derp] so I can't address that, so I'll drop it and then just post a joke and ignore him for another 24 - I'mma town gawd!" and it's really stale by now.
In post 2189, frog wrote:He's asking you for a scumread you both agree on, how do you not see that
I see that I provided info I had already given that he didn't care about to discuss.
I see that instead of discussing my scum read he instead decided to debate theoreticals.
I see that upon receipt of theoreticals he did nothing with them.
I see that it has, thus far, been exactly a jerk for nothing.

Why, what progress do you see him making with my answers?
I'll wait.
I expect this conversation to be dropped like a wet blanket because you're scum empty poking me for no purpose over something that you're not even ascribing a tell to and that I've thus far been proven correct in predicting - please feel free to thrill me and take this comment anywhere thus proving me wrong. I could really use a change of pace.
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #150) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:38 am

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I don't even give a fuck your play is so abysmal at least I don't have to deal with it if I'm dead.
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #151) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:39 am

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Though I'm sure you'll claim the same about my play.

But at least with both of us playing badly, one of us was able to understand the difference between play that drives him batty and scum play.
Guess which one of us it was?
Hint: not you, derp face.
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #152) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 2203, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor who is off the table for you?
My town reads that I've already provided.
In post 2204, rb wrote:Thor I still don't get how you view taking them out of context and then nitpicking on the out of context logic as useful if you're town
At least I don't ask questions and drop them for no reason.
Also, nitpicking is just a way of describing "questing for answers on motive" which is WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE GAME IS ABOUT YOU DOLT.
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #153) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:44 am

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In post 2206, rb wrote:I've stepped away from the game numerous times to give you space to do stuff and literally all you do is return to taking trivial points out of context and floundering pointlessly
You also claim I hard tunneled all of yesterday - which is like the opposite of tunneling.
I also have multiple reads.
I'm pressing them.
Literally the only flounder issue I have is lack of people sheeping me - which is not something in my power to control because if it was I would literally never turn that power off.
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #154) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:46 am

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Opposite of floundering.

aka - you call me scum for whatever you can get away with because you WANT me to be scum and NEED me to be scum but have no REASONING for me to be scum beyond that - hence why your case is so hodge-podge and derp.]And you're too pissy to realize that.
And when this game is over and mod confirms it will change nothing about how you play or think.
And you will say I'm to blame.

If you're scum, bravo.
If you're town...meh.
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Post Post #2211 (isolation #155) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:46 am

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In post 2209, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor restate them for my lazy ass

all i know is that u scumread dunkers. is he the only person u'll lynch?
No.
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I would also lynch you, Flavor, and Paul.
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Post Post #2235 (isolation #156) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:17 am

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In post 2212, rb wrote:See thor, it's like you KNOW i'm town.
Yeah, it's almost like I have a town read on you, go figure.
In post 2212, rb wrote:For the life of me I can't figure out why you still think this is a personal vendetta and not to do with your actual play here
Bullet point the case on me and I'll happily explain it.
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #157) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:19 am

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In post 2214, rb wrote:So Thor let's get this straight - you ask these super nitpicky questions to obtain motive? Yes?

So why do you nitpick with the people who you have townreads on and not the people in your null area? If the first part is true, wouldn't you be 'ascertaining motive' from the people whose motives you're less sure of?
For you, and Wave who are the only two I think you could claim I'm "nitpicking" I pointed it out to disabuse cases THAT YOU WERE MAKING ON OTHER TOWNREADS TO FORCE YOUR CASES TO SINK OR SWIM.

Gosh, I have no idea why i do that though.
It's a mystery.
You got me.
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Post Post #2312 (isolation #158) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:36 pm

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In post 2276, rb wrote:THOR. You want Dunker or FL. Who will you compromise on though?
Probably the list of four names that I gave to Paul about three hours ago when he asked me the same question.
In post 2292, Game Replacement wrote:
In post 2279, PenguinPower wrote:wavemode (3): Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul
Why is this the leading wagon?
The case is really haphazard, and was best described by rb who then skittered from defending it, and frankly Eddie is practically open lying in every case he makes, Dunker is a sheep, and I think Paul was a sheep also.

Incidentally, feel free to mine that wagon, you have four names, odds are at least one is scum - assess.
Why aren't you looking at lynch and end of day wagons yet?
In post 2294, Flavor Leaf wrote:Dunker could go either way for me, but I personally am not interested in pushing him today.
Why ever not?
Even rb, who fething loathes me, agreed he was at best null. And Eddie who makes up cases can make up one to call him scum.
Why do you see him as not even worth consideration?
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Post Post #2318 (isolation #159) » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:45 pm

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In post 2313, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why would I push Dunker today and have the chance of being incorrect when I can wait until I can be more certain of what he is...? If Dunker ends up being a mislynch, we essentially go back to where we are today. I don't feel that's unreasonable to want to wait to sort Dunker out. Besides any directly incriminating evidence, there are a ton of better options for the day.
You have had an entire day phase (almost two) to sort Dunkerdoodles - why don't you already have a read on him if you're capable of getting a good read on him?
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Post Post #2325 (isolation #160) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:01 am

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In post 2324, MarioManiac4 wrote:Not having definitive reasoning =/= reachy
What is reachy?

I would personally have defined it as 'making unsupported leaps in logic' myself. Or maybe 'claiming something was a bigger tell than it is'.
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Post Post #2327 (isolation #161) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:14 am

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About what?
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Post Post #2329 (isolation #162) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:16 am

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I have called neither of them scum, and assuredly have not called them scum together.
Where do you think I've done either?
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Post Post #2331 (isolation #163) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:19 am

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If you don't think I have called either of them scum are you aware that I've called both of them town (as recently as yesterday or the day before methinks)?
And if you're aware of that why are you asking me to repeat that info for you?
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Post Post #2332 (isolation #164) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:22 am

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In post 2211, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2209, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor restate them for my lazy ass

all i know is that u scumread dunkers. is he the only person u'll lynch?
No.
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I would also lynch you, Flavor, and Paul.
Here is a post from yesterday (that I'll admit apparently rb missed also (because Thor playing badly makes rb not read things I post and then pass judgement on my play quality - go figure ;) )
In it I link a post from Friday where I provided an entire reads list.
I feel like my position on the two slots has been made fairly clear quite recently.
Consider this an answer to your original question.
If you could field mine now I would appreciate it.
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Post Post #2334 (isolation #165) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:32 am

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In post 2333, UnaBombaH wrote:Sorry if you feel like you have to repeat everything to everyone, I just honestly didn't realize you had answered that too.
I am getting very use to constant repetition this game.
In post 2333, UnaBombaH wrote:With your reads list this game would be rather easy and pleasant, since you don't want to lynch anyone who is strongly townread by any of the more vocal players. (rb, eddie, mario)
I will agree that the vitriol directed at me isn't connected to much logic.
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Post Post #2336 (isolation #166) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:46 am

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We have 9 days left and no wagon with more than 2 votes.
That's not healthy.
I would move but literally with me having 4 options I would lynch and 6 wagons in play (non of which are currently me!) literally every wagon besides the Dunk wagon (which I'm sitting on alone for reasons that vastly escape me) every other wagon is on one of my town reads.
:neutral:
C'mon people.
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #167) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:17 am

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It would be a nice change of pace.
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #168) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:38 pm

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In post 2342, Flavor Leaf wrote:And @Thor - I do have a read on Dunker. It's just not a strong scum read or town read either way and I have complete faith that dunker will become obv town or obv scum on a later day. What doesn't make sense about this and why waste a fucking lynch on someone who will eventually become obvious with their alignment?
What makes you have complete faith that Dunker will become obv. town or obv. scum if he hasn't done it in the past two day phases - there appears to be no evidence to support this idea, why do you have it?

You're dropping curse words at my denseness for *not* wanting to wait for this moment, so you must have something more than a random gut feel that it will happen, right? Why do you have that thought?
In post 2373, Flavor Leaf wrote:What am I tinfoiling, btw? Not entirely sure what that means, actually.
Tinfoiling is a reference to this
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

Can you show one example of Mario exerting his magic control over rb.
You're claiming he's doing it, surely you must have seen it happen at least once - when?
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Post Post #2379 (isolation #169) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:46 pm

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In post 2377, rb wrote:I also think Game Replacement might be scum unfortunately
Skitter looked very game solvey.
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #170) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:47 pm

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Vedith is too experienced for the 'why derp up this attack as scum?' tell to hold a lot of water, but it also still holds a few drops, which makes the attack more derpy than scummy to my mind. I'd want to hear why he thinks it's legit before I'd call it scummy.
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #171) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:21 pm

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@Mario - still looking for your definition of 'reachy'.

I find Eddie's attack on frog really weak, and I find frog's defense probably even weaker a bunch of 'yeah, maybe I'm doing this weak stuff BUT SO ARE YOU!' defenses are...meh at best whether or not they are true (and I would say easily half are true, but still - if someone is scum part of your issue with them SHOULDN'T be stuff you are also doing).

I still find frog clinging to his Eddie/Thor combo to be an odd position. It is either scum with a strategy or town filled with intense paranoia. I tend to lean the former due to the weird interlude where he was trying to browbeat me for not cooperating with Eddie to explain my scumreads to him - I don't think that behavior makes much sense at all for someone who claims Eddie and I are scum independently and also make sense as partners doing scum theatre because who bothers to try to help scum work through their theatre?

Literally the only thing stopping me from leaping onto the frog wagon at this stage is that Eddie's votes and reliability are about as functional as a forgetful goldfish, and also I will admit a slight bit of toe curling on the timing of Eddie's issues with frog.

That said, at this stage, I support seeing more votes on Dunker or frog.

I will note that LITERALLY THE BEST DEFENSE OFFERED FOR DUNKERS THUS FAR IS THAT SOMEONE HAS NO READ ON HIM YET.
Think about that for a moment and ask yourself why I'm having to field accusations of not accomplishing enough yet in this game.
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #172) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:22 pm

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And hot damn, now we have a Paul vote too, it's like Christmas for Thor's scumreads! Someone should vote FL and give me options!
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #173) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:25 pm

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Wouldn't then literally every act of scumhunting on town be reachy by your definition?
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #174) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:33 pm

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In post 2321, wavemode wrote:Only scum make reachy cases? Town always have definitive evidence of everything they push?
Pushing something that lacks any functional evidence sounds pretty close to what you're describing - no?
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #175) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:33 pm

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Above is all @Mario - the wavmode quote is to settle a false dichotomy claim for myself.
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #176) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:42 pm

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In post 2412, MarioManiac4 wrote:Not really. There's no conclusive evidence in most points, but there's always a possible stream of thought, and it's always considered somewhat of a likelihood. Reachy cases are more based on far-flung possibilities while acting like they're actual cases? Idk it's hard to define.
What is your take on frog's Eddie/Thor pairing- do you find that reachy?
You seem to not find him scummy nor to town read me or Eddie currently, but I find his case to require a lot of squinting to go with.
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Post Post #2416 (isolation #177) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:43 pm

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Like, when frog is asked why the pairing he's arguing for makes sense and his response every time is 'why don't they make sense?' it makes *my* toes curl, why doesn't it curl yours?
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Post Post #2420 (isolation #178) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:52 pm

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By the thin logic that anyone making a claim is the one obligated to back it - frog has made the claim that what we did could be scum theatre.
Shouldn't he then be obligated to back that up?
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #179) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:54 pm

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In post 2392, frog wrote:
In post 2274, NotTheRealPaul wrote:u think thor vs eddie was scum theatre?
I think it could well have been. Make town despondent by having two players argue inconsequentially and distract from discussion that might be productive. Certainly there is nothing to say they cannot be scum together.
Like, this is his case.
Thor: "Hey, Eddie, let's you and I argue to make town sad!"
Eddie: "Okay, I'll make up stuff on you and have town believe it, and only *after* town starts believing it should you bother to point out that it's stupid violently enough to actually get everyone to start ignoring my pushes, because that will help our chances by distancing us from each other yet destroying both of our credabilities for town!"
Thor: "Fucking brilliant!"
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #180) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:01 am

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You consider the default state for all players to be scum and anyone making a non-scum argument to be the one obligated to make a case?
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Post Post #2424 (isolation #181) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:02 am

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In post 2422, MarioManiac4 wrote:I don't think it's scum-indicative.
What about my point about his interactions with me and Eddie later in the game?
I consider that scum indicative, do you?
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Post Post #2427 (isolation #182) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:08 am

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In post 2426, MarioManiac4 wrote:I only see one example of him doing that, and I'm pretty sure he's scumreading Eddie for hypocrisy?
I will agree I have only pointed out the one example, but it's a unique enough situation I would not expect it to come up a lot - my question stands on whether or not you find it scum indicative or not.

I do believe he is calling Eddie hypocritical for finding frog scummy for things it is reasonably provable to suggest that Eddie is also doing, yes.
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Post Post #2429 (isolation #183) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:11 am

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Also, I do think when you claim 'scum theatre' you need to make some sort of proof of it.
By *definition* claiming scum theatre you're saying 'I am aware that this is a thing scum buddies wouldn't do - therefore I'm calling it fake in order to still be able to call them scumbuddies'
So frog is *definitely* pairing us up by even using the theatre call, and literally the extent of his case for calling it fake is...?

Do you think it was theatre for any reason at all?
DO you think it looked like a good scum plan in any way at all?
Do you think we look like a team in any way at all?

If you say 'no' to the above - why do you think frog does?
I literally only have a list of two options;
1. He is scum and has an agenda.
2. He is hyper paranoid town.

If #2 is true - why the hell is he trying to negotiate between us?
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #184) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:12 am

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Hell, if #2 is true, why is his scum list only 2 players long, couldn't all of his other town reads be fake also?
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Post Post #2431 (isolation #185) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:13 am

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It's like he only has a very specific paranoia about one thing...and wants us to talk it out friendly like on top of that.
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #186) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:13 am

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That doesn't add up to me.
It adds up to you?
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Post Post #2463 (isolation #187) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:08 am

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In post 2433, MarioManiac4 wrote:I don't think Frog is claiming scum-theatre, I think he's claiming scum theatre is POSSIBLE between two individual scumreads.
If you read his posts you would find he is claiming the opposite of that. Like he did here the very first time I asked him about it;
In post 1864, frog wrote:In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you
He is saying we are having scum/scum arguments. He is claiming scum theatre. You are handwaving his need to justify it even though you agree with me that it really doesn't look like scum theatre at all, yet you are okay with him doing so/aren't reading him enough to understand that's what he's saying even though he is one of your few town reads.
Why?
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Post Post #2465 (isolation #188) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:12 am

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In post 1873, frog wrote:
Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.
@Mario - I will note another time of frog AGREEING with my understanding of what he is saying.

I will note that I don't think he has justified how we make sense as partners in any way at all, but that's another matter.

So you're arguing a stance that both I *AND* frog disagree with.


Are you not reading frog?
Whassup here?
Why the dance?
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #189) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:14 am

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In post 2464, MarioManiac4 wrote:I think he's referring to one bit there. I can't comment on the exact thing unless he elaborates.
What 'one bit' do you think he's referring to?
I don't care what he thinks he's referring to for the purpose of this conversation.
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Post Post #2469 (isolation #190) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:19 am

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In post 2467, Game Replacement wrote:Vote him, Thor! \o/
Your case is made of air and heat, and my case would currently require frog to be scum, so...I'd never vote Mario first unless I started playing as bad as rb thinks I do.
What is your town read on Dunkerdoodles about?
And if you don't have one, why aren't you voting him yet?
In post 2468, MarioManiac4 wrote:Eh, I think that's referring to scumreading you both individually. I'll just wait for frog to clarify then.
If you click on my links you can read them in full context and it would require a LOT of brain and word twisting to make them about us being scum separately.
Is that how you read them?
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Post Post #2471 (isolation #191) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:27 am

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Even though
In post 1873, frog wrote:
In post 1871, Thor665 wrote:No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
Are you calling Eddie really terrible, or are you saying that was good play for scumbuddies?

Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.
Here is the full quote in context.
The exact question I'm asking him is how do you avoid backing up Thor/Eddie as a team.
To which his answer is - that is my job, and I have done it, but it's your job to back up suggesting you aren't (and I see that you did, and find the answers interesting but won't change my reads blah blah blah).
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #192) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:29 am

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He is blatantly responding to us as a team question, not us as individuals who might have had a TvS interaction.
In the other quote he *specifically* cites a SvS argument.

He is not doing what you claim he is doing.
You are making it up to support your current stance.
Does this revelation affect any of your current stances?
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #193) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:40 am

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Things went very quiet, so I'll even show my hand and admit all I really want is an admission that frog is peddling a scum team that h is ducking explaining how they work, while being aware there are issues with them being a team, which is kind of a big deal considering he's peddling a team.

It's actually the core of my frog issue, frankly.

So maybe "all" I'm hoping for is a total reverse from anyone town reading frog, but...hey. ;)
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #194) » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:45 am

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In post 2474, Game Replacement wrote:
In post 2469, Thor665 wrote:What is your town read on Dunkerdoodles about?
And if you don't have one, why aren't you voting him yet?
Dunker is not an important player to me when I have Scum Mario and rb.
You can play as bad as your heart desires, as long as we Lynch Scum Mario.
I have to say both of your cases look very thin, especially by the stage you're admitting to me you haven't even looked at everyone yet.
The rb case is a non-starter today blatantly.
The Mario case I'll spare on the vague willingness to buy that you have a point at this stage, but the path is starting to feel threadbare from you for me at this stage.
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Post Post #2667 (isolation #195) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:01 am

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Got to cut out a lot of minutae as a lynch and claims rolled in, huzzah for me.
In post 2489, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2479, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i honestly think FL could be scum defending me for towncred
I'm not defending you at all. I'm pushing my scum reads, and I said if you are scum you will become obvious scum/reverse for town.

If you're scum, that is borderline an insult. (no disrespect, though).
You still haven't managed to mumble out *why* you think he'll do this despite being asked multiple times.
In post 2509, frog wrote:
In post 2497, MarioManiac4 wrote:@Frog; Do you believe it to be likely Thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative or not?
I do not believe it to be likely thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative.

There are a lot of ways to deconstruct that statement, however, so I am bracing for some major splitting of hairs
Here is my hair wad.

1. Holy cow that's amazing to hear considering the last time I asked you that direct question I got the opposite answer!
2. So, what changed? I think we look more like buddies since your first answer, as everything I would use to suggest we're not buddies comes from before you said it.
In post 2596, rb wrote:whatever i dont give a fucking shit

VOTE: mariomaniac4

im so sick of trying to carry fucking shit idiot towns
Sort bad play by playing badly - brilliant ;)
In post 2611, MarioManiac4 wrote:this is literally the dumbest fucking lynch i have ever seen on the site
Not even in my top ten :lol:
But I'll take this one after your claim.
Kinda sad we didn't get a Dunk kill out of you. Did you shoot SD?
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Post Post #2670 (isolation #196) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:04 am

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Interesting, Novice SK?
Thanks for the info though!
I am starting to think it might be possible we just have a very derp scum team.
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Post Post #2671 (isolation #197) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:05 am

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There's no question 1-2 scum are on your wagon either, which (as usual) pares with my current reads.
Una is vibing very honest to me right now though, I'll say. He really seems to want you to admit that he had a good read, that sounds like town pride and he's new enough I don't think he'd try to fake that as scum.
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Post Post #2729 (isolation #198) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:03 am

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In post 2690, TwoInAMillion wrote:Have to agree with Eddie. Although I am new to the game so if someone can point out the important information I'd appreciate it.

Vote: una
Why did you agree with Eddie?
In post 2692, Eddie Cane wrote:Thor, wheres your head at now? do you believe rb is possibly scum after that ate? I know I personally would be disgusted if he was scum and posted like that.
:neutral:
You're saying his strategy was to cry like a woman child and replace out to help his replacement's scum wincon?
In post 2727, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 1545, wavemode wrote:Guys

I think I might have been wrong about mulch
I dived into the ISO-world, and reread this.
At the time I thought it could have been clumsy scum trying to soften their "scumread" on Mulch just before the flip (this was after mulch had self-hammered).
I thought that it was too clumsy for scum.
But I now realized Wave wasn't on the wagon,
WHICH MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE.


So Wave just wanted to drop in a comment about "ok, I think he might actually be scum after all, I read him badly" just before the flip? Why?
To make it look like he couldn't possibly know Mulch alignment?

The original reason why I went jungle-swinging in the ISOs, is because I was trying to find anything in SD to make her a worthy NK.
Found nothing reasonable, and yet there has to be a reason.
How does your analysis work here considering that MULCH HAD CLAIMED SCUM AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME?
Like, that's kind of a big thing to ignore.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I know I sound like a broken record, but seriously now people, this is such a good wagon, and has been a good wagon for a long time.
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #199) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:44 am

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Semi v/la till Monday 14th

I will probably have internet access, but intend to be spending a lot of the time partying with my fiancee or drinking so...y'know, won't be posting much.
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