In post 163, PenguinPower wrote:
Since people are complaining that we're making mountains of molehills, let's just speed lynch someone for reactions so we have stuff to analyze.
Any other problems I can solve?
In post 163, PenguinPower wrote:
Why would it not be real?In post 187, UnaBombaH wrote:I have intent to put you at L-1, but its not real if one vote is your own.
So you listed off your top three, had a top one, and just forgot?In post 188, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; Nothing changed. I was going to vote Flavour Leaf in my last post, but I forgot to.
What was so fast about it?In post 190, Sunlit Diamond wrote:That was fast. *squints*
I support this hammer.
8 pages and around 36 hours is unusually quick for you?In post 194, Sunlit Diamond wrote:The squint stems from me being not at all used to hammers happening so quickly and having no idea how to interpret it.
It was not, and Penguin knows it.In post 202, NotTheRealPaul wrote:pedit: thor was that sarcasm? please tell me that was sarcasm
Why is that?In post 210, Eddie Cane wrote:nah flava is probs town
Fast for a hammer, sure, but fast for L-1?In post 216, Sunlit Diamond wrote:And yes, 36 hours is fast to get someone to L-1 (or a hammer) in my experience so far.
I can understand that.In post 224, UnaBombaH wrote:I still support his lynch, I just appreciate fair play with quickhammers, as in I want the hammerer to know he hammers, and everyone to know he knows.
Understand?
Why would you vote if unsure?
Fixed.In post 230, wavemode wrote:If anyone hammers FL without declaring intent and giving him a chance to claim or make final statements they are confirmedscumbad players.
I don't have or need theories, I have reality.In post 233, Eddie Cane wrote:what are your theories as to why i self voted?
Why do you think FL is useful to town?In post 238, wavemode wrote:I mean, if FL flips town it would show everyone that this wagon was stupid and very obviously fueled with scum votes.
That said, unlike most day one lynchbait I think FL is actually useful to town so it's better we just don't kill him.
I already gave my reason - feel free to address it if you want.In post 255, rb wrote:Everyone who joined the wagon on flavor leaf, give reasons pls
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ng_as_TownIn post 269, Eddie Cane wrote:why would it be a good play if I was scum?
The wagon is, at the time of this comment, still the biggest wagon.In post 270, Eddie Cane wrote:I would like to point out I called leaf dude town with no reasoning and his wagon died. wow. I'm good.
That list would be rb and you.In post 272, Eddie Cane wrote:does someome feel like making a list of players who WERE voting leafblower11 at the time I fake hammered and are no longer voting leafjob555
I will then punch those calculations in and produce scum
The Sunlight case for me is - opportunism.In post 281, NotTheRealPaul wrote:Lol who do you sheep when your scum then?
And why should I have expected rb to explain his reads lol. Silly me.
Can someone explain the sunlight case to me?
This is bad, and you should feel bad.In post 286, rb wrote:thought processes are scummy
Make the second comment from me a description of *why I think he's scum* (which is the question I was answering) as opposed to a description of why I don't like the wagon, and then magically my position becomes clear with no odd reversal of opinion.In post 292, wavemode wrote:In post 266, Thor665 wrote:I approve of the Sunlight counter wagon.I don't understand your position.In post 291, Thor665 wrote:The Sunlight case for me is - opportunism.
Why is it going to be bad exactly? Maybe I can change.In post 295, rb wrote:Tbh i was gonna tell the mod i didnt wanna play with thor but i was like meh it cant be that bad, then i ws like maybe ill just /out but was like meh it cant be that bad
its probably gonna be that bad
How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.In post 296, wavemode wrote:Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.
@wavemode - I'm thinking you missed this. Can I has answer?In post 304, Thor665 wrote:How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.In post 296, wavemode wrote:Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?
If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.In post 310, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.
I feel like you're applying different levels of analysis to rb and Skitter.In post 313, Ausuka wrote:I agree that none of the three points you mentioned would make much sense. I think that if Rb is scum the most likely explanation for counterwagoning SD is for towncred. The lynch on FL wasn't going through this early ever, so there wasn't much point to staying onto it if he was scum- the wagon would just crash and lose momentum anyway since nobody would accept a hammer this early. He could gain easy towncred by taking a step back and pretending to be wary of the wagon. It's not really AI in my opinion, since there are valid explanations from both a town + scum point of view.
I put Skitter in the town section because I like her posting so far on a whim; the analysis feels genuine to me and she doesn't feel like she has any particular agenda at this point (i.e, she doesn't look like she's grasping for towncred, setting anything up, or trying to lynch anybody.)
Sorry, when you brought up only the wagon speed I thought that was a big issue for you - I'm happy to agree it's NAI any day and all day and agree it's foolish.In post 314, wavemode wrote:Uh, this doesn't really track logically. Yes, it's unlikely for wagons to form on scum quickly, but that's not my only reason for thinking FL is town. That would be foolish. I think he's town because I don't scumread his actions. Conversely, I wouldn't flip around my scumread on SD simply because people are agreeing with me.In post 304, Thor665 wrote:How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?
I'll agree that's simple.In post 316, wavemode wrote:I don't scumread him. And he is counter-aligned to the people I gut scumread. Simple as that.
That sounds like a double standard though, which is my issue.In post 317, Ausuka wrote:@Thor; I didn't think as much about Skitter because I didn't see anything that made me doubt my townread on her.
Why not?In post 331, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Er. Why am I being voted for?
So, because he's done more, you scumread him more than people who aren't doing spit, even though you don't find his actions scummy.In post 345, Sunlit Diamond wrote:rb has far more content to go through and balance my read than Ciara does.
You're right, I was mixing it up with the Skitter conversation she and I were having.In post 350, wavemode wrote:@Thor Actually you misunderstood that. She was saying that she townreads rb because he has more content.
I couldn't describe why people are scumreading me if you offered me a million dollars to do so right now, so I can't really offer a valid assessment of it.In post 353, Eddie Cane wrote:hey Thor, do u think it's reasonable to scumread you atm?
You said you read her off of 'whim' correct?In post 354, Ausuka wrote:Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.
Why is wavemode scum exactly?In post 368, Sunlit Diamond wrote:meh. Fuck it. VOTE: wavemode
Still open to being converted to the Thor wagon. then Paul can ride it by default.
Red = Non alignment indicative.In post 373, Sunlit Diamond wrote:His reads ARE terrible. He also spends an awful lot of time telling other people how they should be reading things.He's also basing his read of me on the idea that I'm keeping rb at arm's length (and maybe that I said I liked what Ausuka had to say...once....?), but when I stated that I believe rb is town, he then has a problem with that.I also just plain don't like the tone of his response to my scumread of him; it resonates with prior experiences I've had.
So. Keeping my vote where it is.
If I flip town though, I get to choose, deal?In post 376, Eddie Cane wrote:rb I'll vig a person of your choice if u get thor lynched
Would you kindly examine the yellow one more closely - because that appears factually to just be straight up a lie on your part, or really bad reading of what he said.In post 383, Sunlit Diamond wrote:That's fine in your opinion. In my opinion, I'm keeping my vote where it is.
I will agree that you showed that he talked about you.In post 392, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I'm not purposely misrepresenting, that is legitimately the only thing he's referenced me in.
I will agree with your definition but not your application.In post 388, wavemode wrote:I think we all have different definitions of pro-town.
Like, I define pro-town as things that help town.
For example, FL's self-vote? That helped town. If you don't see why then you're not paying attention to what's been happening in the game.
I like your case okay and don't trust the Ausuka slot - but this is a misrep or misunderstanding of her stated position since her issue involved not his vote, but his unvote.In post 414, wavemode wrote:Why did Ausuka sheep rb, then turn around and insist (not suggest, but actively insist) that Dunkerdoodles was scummy for doing the same thing?
Sorry for presuming you have a brain and use it?In post 417, rb wrote:Thor do i rly seem like the kind of person who is capable of being reasonable
Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.In post 420, rb wrote:Why are you answering for other slots
How many games of experience do you have with me exactly?In post 432, rb wrote:Thor why are you so unfathomably out-of-character and disengaged in this game?
I have offered multiple reads, and I disagree with you that my questions are meaningless.In post 432, rb wrote:Making lots of non-posts, clarifying small or overall irrelevant things about other's posts or just asking questions or just gaslighting others by stipulating what does or doesn't make sense - while offering no real purposeful reads or insights of your own creation?
Can you link to where she indicated this, the part you quoted in your case did not have her saying that at all.In post 436, wavemode wrote:Ausuka's problem was that Dunker wasnt generating reads or asking questions
This part of your case still doesn't seem to quite apply - it's less of a hypocrisy attack than a 'that's ridiculous to expect so early' attack.In post 414, wavemode wrote:Why did Ausuka sheep rb, then turn around and insist (not suggest, but actively insist) that Dunkerdoodles was scummy for doing the same thing?
By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.In post 445, Eddie Cane wrote:hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?
Quote where you think I said that.In post 453, Eddie Cane wrote:so to be clear, you just told me I should only use the tells you have wrote on the wiki to scum hunt?In post 447, Thor665 wrote:By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.In post 445, Eddie Cane wrote:hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?
Yeah, that's how we all have to play this game.In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:you're literally just writing words.
I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:you're not saying anything relevant. you spent what, 5 posts to express the great point of "only wiki tells matter stop scumreading me and vote on the wagon I want you to"... tossing in some omgus at rb though I'm unsure if you're omgusing me or not (probably?).
Sure, it could be - so what?In post 458, Eddie Cane wrote:hey
wait a second
isn't using a ton of words to explain something simple/unimportant, or overexplaining, awiki approved scum tell !!!!!!
You might be, but I don't think so, and that's why I'm pissed off at how idiotic your reading is.In post 459, Eddie Cane wrote:am I scum?In post 456, Thor665 wrote:Hi, I'm Eddie - I'm making straw men and putting words in Thor's mouth and claiming he's doing something that he's actually not doing as, if I had ever managed to figure out how to click a link I would have realized THAT EVERY WIKI LINK THOR POSTED WAS TO THOR'S OWN PROFILE AND NOT AN ARTICLE AT ALL.
Derpa-dee! I'mma pretend like this is a scumtell people should listen to and claim i caught a scumteam off this deeply reasoned case!
*barf*
I think your rb case has never been presented.In post 461, Eddie Cane wrote:and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.
I spent 6 posts to repeatedly point out how you're not reading what I'm saying or are too dense to understand it.In post 463, Eddie Cane wrote:you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?In post 449, Thor665 wrote:The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...
In post 462, Thor665 wrote:I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.
In post 467, Thor665 wrote:In post 462, Thor665 wrote:I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.