Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[TPFKAP]

The first 20 pages indicate to me that gonk manipulated Zach into claiming. It looks like he used Arcade, either intentionally or unwittingly, to help him leverage Zach. Therefore, I'd rather lynch gonk, but I'm ok on Arcade.

I chose to include PV in the story because he played an integral part in the pressure dynamics in that conversation.

Several of the players in this game are treating this like chat-room mafia, and I am unable to process this much text in depth. Likewise, I am not able to chime in on every topic or react to every development in real time. I have notes on everyone whose posts I have read so far, and I am currently reading several people carefully. When I have another confident lead, I will share that.

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I've caught up since last post and also is Iso'd lasagna/transcend, rb/GR, and carcallilly.

Carcallilly posts almost all fluff. She could be scum hanging back and trying to blend in, or town with no strong reads. Not useful town, not immediately threatening scum.

The blowup between ladagna/trans and rb feels manufactured to me. At this point, I think it's a gambit and we could successfully lynch scrum either way.

Game is not a convincing town in rbs slot.

I still believe think is a good lynch.
Arcade is still possibly scrum with gonk.

Thus, i'm happy to lynch rb or trans today.

Trans will help me lynch rb's slot, so...

VOTE: GAME REPLACEMENT

On a strategy level, if town players could stop defending their friends and towareads, and focus on sharing scumreads, that would make it a lot easier to figure out actual mafia teams.

[TPFKAP]

I've caught up since last post and also is Iso'd lasagna/transcend, rb/GR, and carcallilly.

Carcallilly posts almost all fluff. She could be scum hanging back and trying to blend in, or town with no strong reads. Not useful town, not immediately threatening scum.

The blowup between ladagna/trans and rb feels manufactured to me. At this point, I think it's a gambit and we could successfully lynch scrum either way.

Game is not a convincing town in rbs slot.

I still believe

gonk

is a good lynch.
Arcade is still possibly scrum with gonk.

Thus, i'm happy to lynch rb or trans today.

Trans will help me lynch rb's slot, so...

VOTE: GAME REPLACEMENT

On a strategy level, if town players could stop defending their friends and towareads, and focus on sharing scumreads, that would make it a lot easier to figure out actual mafia teams.

Ebwop

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few questions:

- When was the last time you played?

I may have played one game of mafia in the last year, but I don't think I've played here for around two years. I didn't check before making this post.

1. If Carcalilly's posting is all fluff, how then is she "not immediately threatening scum?" You prioritize your scum or are you calling her null after calling her posting all fluff?

Her posts are impotent and superficial. She's probably overwhelmed townie, but she might be timid scum. Either way, she poses no immediate threat to the town.

2. Did you just call that whole thing theatre?

Yes, I did.

3. Does your GR vote factor in the claims? Did you already state your thoughts on the "CC" we have going on?

I think I understand someone claimed some kind of doc and someone else claimed some kind of doc and there has been a lot of debate about if those two kinds of docs could credibly be assumed to be in the game together. I am not factoring it in to my GR vote.

4. Why is gonkbadoop scum on their play?

He manipulated you into claiming your flavor between day 1 and day 20 (a few hours?)
Gonk buddied up to you right away by following your vote on hebi.
Gonk jumped in to defend you against Arcade's meta case.
Gonk continued to defend you and sheeped.
After you had softclaimed twice, suddenly gonk starts praising Arcade.
Then, after you and hebi agreed to a Lycanfire wagon, gonk suggested you flavor claim.
Arcade agreed.
You said no.
Arcade says "dunn here",
and gonk votes for you and shoots smilies at Arcade.
gonk says there is no reason not to claim, and you do.

5. Why is Transcend/Lasagne scum on their play?

Here are my notes on Lasagne:
lasagna: why me?, asks for vig, votes RB, fluff, ready to sheep Zach, vague support of votes, wars against zach tunneling on so 651, fluff, buddying to spiffeh, asks what spiffe things he would be as scum, townreads hebi, defends hebi a lot. asking many questions about meta, sucks PVs cock, tries to confirm gonk.

And, of course, see question 2.

6. I'm sure you have to have analyzed... other stuff, right?

Of course, I have notes on everyone who has posted, and incomplete theories here and there.

Heading out of the house now.

[TPFKAP]

How would everyone else rank that list?

game > carc > arcade

[TPFKAP]

Gorkington replaces Can It.

Votecount 1.14

Carcalilly (7)- grapes, Bins, Zachstralkita, hebichan, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington
Arcade Pals (5)- Lycanfire, Hopkirk, Lil Uzi Vert, gonkbadoop taskmaster, TPFKAP
Game Replacement (4)- torgonitoh, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Narna, Transcend
hebichan (2)- SlySly, gerryoat
grapes (1)- Carcalilly
Lil Uzi Vert (1)- Arcade Pals

Not Voting (1)- PeregrineV

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-20 15:35:35)

viewtopic.php?p=9510217#p9510217 hebi unvotes Carca (L-6)
viewtopic.php?p=9510259#p9510259 hebi votes for Arcade
viewtopic.php?p=9510491#p9510491 Zach votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9510514#p9510514 Zach votes for Carca (L-6)
viewtopic.php?p=9510729#p9510729 Carc votes for Zach
viewtopic.php?p=9510778#p9510778 Uzi votes for Carc (L-5)
viewtopic.php?p=9510780#p9510780 Tran votes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510790#p9510790 Tran votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9510818#p9510818 Tran votes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510871#p9510871 Tran revotes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510877#p9510877 Zach unvotes Carc (L-5)
viewtopic.php?p=9511015#p9511015 Tran revotes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9511032#p9511032 torgon votes for Carc (L-3)
viewtopic.php?p=9511208#p9511208 hebi votes for Carc (L-2)
viewtopic.php?p=9511288#p9511288 Zach votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511381#p9511381 Zach votes for Carc (L-1)
viewtopic.php?p=9511412#p9511412 Arcade revotes Lol Uzi Vert
viewtopic.php?p=9511417#p9511417 Arcade votes for Lycanfire
viewtopic.php?p=9511419#p9511419 Arcade votes for POWERFUL
viewtopic.php?p=9511632#p9511632 TPFKAP votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511653#p9511653 POWERFUL revotes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511743#p9511743 Tran votes for Game (L-10) (Carc at L-2)
viewtopic.php?p=9511941#p9511941 Arcade votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9511943#p9511943 Narna revotes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511944#p9511944 Uzi votes for TPFKAP (Carc at L-3)
viewtopic.php?p=9511954#p9511954 POWERFUL votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9511973#p9511973 grapes votes for TPFKAP (Carc at L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9512001#p9512001 Carc votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9512068#p9512068 Carc unvotes
viewtopic.php?p=9512282#p9512282 SlySly votes for Arcade
viewtopic.php?p=9512329#p9512329 Tran votes for TPFKAP

Carcalilly (7)- Bins, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington, Zachstralkita, hebichan, torgonitoh
TPFKAP (5) - Transcend, grapes, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Lil Uzi Vert, Arcade Pals
Arcade Pals (4)- Lycanfire, Hopkirk, gonkbadoop taskmaster, SlySly
Game Replacement (2)- Narna, TPFKAP
hebichan (1) - gerryoat


Not Voting (1)- PeregrineV, Carcalilly

[TPFKAP]

unofficial, and probably at least one mistake.

[TPFKAP]

Thank you letters.

[TPFKAP]

this doesn't look like town effort rather, scum clustering 4 people and seeing where the wind takes him with it.

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean here. Could you explain "scum clustering 4 people and seeing where the wind takes him with it"?

VOTE: game

Why did you choose this moment to move your vote?

[TPFKAP]

grapes, how do you feel about the wagon on Carc getting to L-1 and then dissolving?

[TPFKAP]

grapes, how do you feel about the wagon on Carc getting to L-1 and then dissolving?

How do you feel about Gerry?

He tunneled on hebi almost exclusively and has posted very little content.

[TPFKAP]

has posted very little content.

I've put forward two theories involving several different players. My votes follow my theories. My reasons for my votes are stated immediately. I've asked and answered questions.

[TPFKAP]

Not Voting (2)- PeregrineV, Carcalilly[/b]

carlily is no pick
carlily is no find badmans
carlily is no find goodmans
carlily is no do a thing?
why keep?
all pick we sleep i find badmans when no post ok

Zach says that she is a potential "PT checker" (I don't know what PT means). Does this make any difference to you?

i have a really easy task for you:
give me an example of one game youve seen
where theres been scum theater to the level that you think rb/kraska interactions went to this game

The task you propose is not "easy."
First, you are asking me to dig through my long term memory and/or old games. I estimate that this would take at least an hour. I don't have that to spare.
Second, you ask me to provide an example of scum theater "to the level" that I think rb/kraska went to in this game. This is problematic for two reasons. One: I don't know rb or kraska, so I have no idea what "level" this is. Second: I don't know what YOUR definition of "level" here is, so you could effortlessly shoot down anything I submit anyway. For these reasons, this task is "difficult."

+++ their initial readthrough and only taking notes on four people doesnt seem real either.

Gorkington, you have misrepresented me;

few questions:

6. I'm sure you have to have analyzed... other stuff, right?

Of course, I have notes on everyone who has posted, and incomplete theories here and there.

Several of the players in this game are treating this like chat-room mafia, and I am unable to process this much text in depth. Likewise, I am not able to chime in on every topic or react to every development in real time.

I have notes on everyone whose posts I have read so far, and I am currently reading several people carefully

. When I have another confident lead, I will share that.

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No, zach said she is a potential pt check, not checker.

Arcade pals have claimed that they are a cop that can check if people have a pt, since carca claimed VT, she shouldn't have one.

If she does, she is likely scum, or will need to have a very good reason to have one. Though, since arcade pals refuses to be leashed,we can't be certain she is being checked.

Yes, thank you. I retract the question.

[TPFKAP]

has posted very little content.

I've put forward two theories involving several different players. My votes follow my theories. My reasons for my votes are stated immediately. I've asked and answered questions.

The task you propose is not "easy."
First, you are asking me to dig through my long term memory and/or old games. I estimate that this would take at least an hour. I don't have that to spare.
Second, you ask me to provide an example of scum theater "to the level" that I think rb/kraska went to in this game. This is problematic for two reasons. One: I don't know rb or kraska, so I have no idea what "level" this is. Second: I don't know what YOUR definition of "level" here is, so you could effortlessly shoot down anything I submit anyway. For these reasons, this task is "difficult."

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

Gorkington, you have misrepresented me;
-snip-

can you share some of your other less confident reads then?

I am choosing not to share my less confident reads at this time.

[TPFKAP]

thats convenient.

For whom?

[TPFKAP]

TPFKAP, do you know that we're trying to share rope with you? Why does it seem like you're ignoring this for some reason?

Zach, when you ask me "why does it seem like you're ignoring this for some reason," you are asking me to tell you why other people feel a certain way about my actions.

As a result, my answer is "I don't know why I seem like I'm ignoring the fact that you are trying to share a rope with me."

[TPFKAP]

are you just ignoring the first half of the post you quoted or are you getting to responding to it?

also youre being convenient in not sharing your other reads when youre being run up.

1. You didn't ask any questions.

2. For whom am I being convenient?

[TPFKAP]

you are asking me to tell you why other people feel a certain way about my actions.

hes actually asking you to acknowledge the fact that youre being wagoned.

I posted an unofficial vote count that illustrated, in full detail, the wagon on me. I am checking he thread frequently, asking and answering questions, and conversing with the other players both on and off my wagon. What further acknowledgement do you think Zach desires?

[TPFKAP]

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

so you have nothing to say to this

.

Ebwop

[TPFKAP]

youre being convenient because if youre scum its easier for you to focus on a few slots and not have to justify any other reads.

Why would I do that?

[TPFKAP]

Zach, can you point out an engagement that I have been running around?

I realize gork wants a response to his advice, orders, and statements of requirement. I will answer any questions that I'm asked.

[TPFKAP]

usually people are like "oh god a wagon on me!"
or
"fuck you guys stop voting me"
or
"these votes on me suck"
or
"i am having a genuine human reaction to things that are happening in this game"

p-edit: what

What would that kind of reaction provide town to work with?

[TPFKAP]

I'm sorry but did you never think about "don't lynch me, I'm town"? that's what we're wondering.

Don't lynch me, I'm town.

[TPFKAP]

Why would I do that?

why are you doing anything that youre doing
is the real question

Everything I'm doing has a reason, I've explained every action that has been questioned. I will be happy to answer further questions as well.

[TPFKAP]

tell me what you see in this graph

Do you want description or critical analysis?

[TPFKAP]

Zach, can you point out an engagement that I have been running around?

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

so you have nothing to say to this

.

Ebwop

What would that kind of reaction provide town to work with?

Zach, Gork wrote "so you have nothing to say to this?" I edited the post to read "so you have nothing to say to this."

To be clear, that was a smartass way for me to say "right, I have nothing to say to that." I refuse to respond to that post. Ask me direct questions.

[TPFKAP]

why do you think people do things

In what context?

[TPFKAP]

I. can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater

Sure. I think there are two explanations for in-game drama on that magnitude

1. Both people involved are immature, overly sensitive, and self-absorbed, and selfish.
2. One is scum and intentionally tilting the other in order to distract the town from scumhunting.
3. It's a bi-lateral scum gambit.

I think 2 or 3 is more likely. Either way, scum theater.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them

If one or both are scum, playing to their history would apparently be a great idea, solid scum strategy.

iii) can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics

Not offhand. I will deliver on this later if I have the opportunity.

[TPFKAP]

I apprently have two votes now.

VOTE: TPF

VOTE: TPF

I am unsure what to think of this, or perhaps just mod error.

I don't believe you.

[TPFKAP]

WHAT THE FUCK? If this greens I'm going to start whiteknighting everything in existence if I don't think it comes from scum from now on. Otherwise I wasted my time.



TPFKAP, hebichan just hammered. This is the part where you tell us if you're town or scum.

that's not a hammer, even if she does have doublevote. I'd be at 9.

[TPFKAP]

I apprently have two votes now.

VOTE: TPF

VOTE: TPF

I am unsure what to think of this, or perhaps just mod error.

I don't believe you.

Sorry, I get it now. Mod error.

[TPFKAP]

I apprently have two votes now.

VOTE: TPF

VOTE: TPF

I am unsure what to think of this, or perhaps just mod error.

Transcend apparently has 2 votes as well. Are y'all buddies?

Why are you satisfied with lurking through the entire first day?

[TPFKAP]

Zach says that she is a potential "PT checker" (I don't know what PT means). Does this make any difference to you?

I thought you were taking notes on us?

Arcade: tryign to stirr things back up on narna, too bulldoggy on zach, claims that
Arcade: Rolefishing, role speculation, distractions, "I'm keeping my vote here" post, claims,

Here are my notes on youse.

[TPFKAP]

These are your posts. Theory and play analysis is highlighted in green. Meta, promises to read, repetition, jokes, role/setup speculation, self-defense, and complaining are not highlighted. Scumtells are highlighted in RED.

Spoiler:

Content-less post.

VOTE: zach

Narna, I want in your masonry.

A land down under.
1. You're Zach.
2. You're always scum.
3. Millers are worthless.

I'd compromise on PerV. He's never this active as town until D4 or D5.

Almost every game I play, PerV lurks for the first 3 or 4 days and is always town.

I have not received any link to said Registry, but I am catching up now, just starting page 21, perhaps I'm behind a little.

Where does your confidence in saying this originate?
Just because Narna's masonry is bs doesn't mean there isn't a real one.

Please point out exactly how I've been scummy. I think you're full of shit.

I hate hydras and all the alts and everyone except me knowing who all the alts are and using names that aren't in play. Every game, one or two get a knot tied in their panties and blow the thread up, just like happened here, and make it shit for everyone else to read.
Pick a name, use it and don't join hydras. FFS!

Amen.

It's the same people causing the same shit in every game. It's always just a different name or someone in a hydra.

quote: I wanted SlySly but it was taken.
It can be purchased!

I am willing to sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR. He knows what he want to do with his life. He wants to ROCK.

gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour) - vague memories of giga from another games, seems like she/he replaced out at some point, i could be forgetting. no memory of schadd. i've read the entire game and i can't recall one thing said by this slot/hydra. NULL
SlySly - OBVTOWN
hebichan -

pushing shade on me, likely scum

Lycanfire - vague memory from previous game. No memory from this game immediately entering my mind. Null
Bins - this slot is striking me as town for some reason
POWERFUL WARRIOR (hydra of hiplop and The Bulge) - OBVTOWN
Spiffeh - probTown
Lil Uzi Vert - almost certainly scum because of the Luc -i -fer spin by whoever that was
gerryoat - leaning town
PeregrineV - too active for D1 for townPerV, yet his frequency is resonating at OBVTOWN
Arcade Pals (hydra of Dunnstral and MariaR) - gotta be town or Dunn would have already scum slipped.
Hopkirk - Null
torgonitoh - Null
Transcend Lasagne Bot (hydra of kraska77 and Transcend) -

trying to forget the meltdown and fallout from the replacements

, throwing shade on me, likely scum
Carcalilly - Null
Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6) - a picture is worth a thousand words, but a picture with words is better. Wanting to lean town just because art is cool. Null
Game Replacement rb -

I believe the claim

. TR
Narna - feeling like townNarna to me
TPFKAP - ??? - Null
grapes - Null
Zachstralkita - miller claim makes worthless slot imo

UNVOTE: Zachstralkita
VOTE:

hebichan because you were the first one in the list that i found scummy according to my reads list

. i will gladly sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR if he votes one of your buddies.

ugh, that game forced me into lurkmode in many games. lmao

You were shading me before I gave my list. My list doesn't suck.

The list you have now is irrelevant. You were shading me for nothing and you admitted it.

I've stated I don't like hydras many times before. It's even worse when it's a hydra with one of the heads being an alt. Then 50%+ of the players refer to that alt head as another name that's not in the game being played. It's enough to drive you nuts if you're not a part of the clique.
I have a full life, I keep up as I can. Rarely do I get time to dig through and iso players like I used to when life wasn't so full and the games didn't explode like they do now. I'm doing my best to keep up with the 20+ pages this game is producing each day. I comment on what I notice.

The whole original rb wagon was a low effort meta wagon.

Only now has Narna given it some glue.

I can only see this as an imitation of ralph smart.

I'm on top of page 99 catching up.
I have thoughts to share from what I've read so far. Coming soon...

I believe Rb's claim more than Narna's.

Narna's claim could be true. Narna's already proven to be a liar with her gambit (LAL)

I see a scenario where Arcade's claim could be true, but the ninja part really bugs me. This claim kinda feels like a mod provided fake claim to me.

I believe Zach's claim.

Carca claimed VT. (LAVTC)

UNVOTE: hebichan while I dig through some ISO's and do some more thinking.

It's more than you think it is.

VOTE: Arcade Pals

I had to catch up 30+ pages from last night. I just caught up. I'm digging.
I believe Rb's claim way more.

Can you show me where? I'm missing it.

It all comes down to the "ninja" part of the claim for me.

Idk, at this point, technically, Carca could probably be considered a counter as well.

I'm just basing things on where they are now. I think Carca is currently bigger wagon than AP or GR.

Transcend apparently has 2 votes as well. Are y'all buddies?

I haven't lurked at all

.

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tryign to stirr things back up on narna

What does this mean?

that will take me a while to go back and find, but I recall there was a shift in the conversation and instead of following the shift, you said something to the effect of "but narna you guys".

[TPFKAP]

WHAT THE FUCK? If this greens I'm going to start whiteknighting everything in existence if I don't think it comes from scum from now on. Otherwise I wasted my time.



TPFKAP, hebichan just hammered. This is the part where you tell us if you're town or scum.

that's not a hammer, even if she does have doublevote. I'd be at 9.

But.. the dayvig..

I don't know what you are talking about.

Notes on everyone TP.

Yeah I guess we could use the full document before flip.

No, not a chance. I'm not giving my townreads to scum.

Sure. I think there are two explanations for in-game drama on that magnitude

1. Both people involved are immature, overly sensitive, and self-absorbed, and selfish.
2. One is scum and intentionally tilting the other in order to distract the town from scumhunting.
3. It's a bi-lateral scum gambit.


I think 2 or 3 is more likely. Either way, scum theater.

I'm lynching this cause I just don't believe it, but for the record

How is calling it theatre different from calling it NAI? Both are disrespectful.

I'm not sure what NAI stands for, but any disrespect here comes from the two people who chose to air their dirty laundry and explode in a public game of mafia. 2 is scum theatre because at least one scum is pretending to freak out and quit.

i don't want to think of a world where this slot flips green

if i does flip green it's unconventionally some of the worst mafia play i've seen in my life

i have not met a single user on this site that every single post they make triggers me to the point of wanting to lynch them

like i've had some scumreads that have towntold in some of their posts

but no

every single post from this fucker is a mafia claim

kill it

This is scum trying to justify a mislynch.

usually people are like "oh god a wagon on me!"
or
"fuck you guys stop voting me"
or
"these votes on me suck"
or
"i am having a genuine human reaction to things that are happening in this game"

p-edit: what

What would that kind of reaction provide town to work with?

This confuses me so much. I've never seen someone respond like this.

I am happy that I got to pop your cherry on this one

What you missed in your post was timing. You have like 1 or 2 more posts than me. I find it hilarious that you are calling me out for lurking. I have posted every RL day this game has been going.

That's not what lurking really is though. Lurking is keeping yourself in the shadows and unnoticed. You appear to be maintaining a very small footprint intentionally. Can you say the same of me?

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i dont remember any of gerry's stances in spite of him having 100+ posts

You must not have agreed like I did.

I'll paraphrase what gerry's been cooking, "HEY FUCKERS, SOMEONE TELL ME WHY HEBICHAN IS TOWN BECAUSE I THINK HEBICHAN IS SCUM"

How would the game change if someone laid out a case for town-hebichan?

[TPFKAP]

I'll check back in a few hours.

[TPFKAP]

When I tried, all I saw was scumHebi.

Could you present your case?

[TPFKAP]

Why did you leave it?

[TPFKAP]

Why did you leave it?

Your flashwagon looked fun/whimsy; I like to be a team player on occasion.

How do you feel about carca softing/crumbing vt?

Anyone can crumb anything.

[TPFKAP]

UNVOTE:

why did you even vote narna at first and what led you to unvote?

He was acting weird but then
I realized that it's just Narna

lmao I got my timeline messed up anyway, carry on VOTE: rb Carca still needs to explain the, "Narna's just being Narna" bit.

Carca should not be familiar with me or my towngame.

I'm just embarassed to say that i thought that cop claim was legit ok??
please stop :C

I'm actually just kinda ready to lynch this.

VOTE: carcalilly

Hebi, can you explain the reasoning behind this vote in more detail? If possible, could you explain in your own words what Carc had done to make you ready to lynch her?

[TPFKAP]

UNVOTE:

why did you even vote narna at first and what led you to unvote?

He was acting weird but then
I realized that it's just Narna

lmao I got my timeline messed up anyway, carry on VOTE: rb Carca still needs to explain the, "Narna's just being Narna" bit.

Carca should not be familiar with me or my towngame.

I'm just embarassed to say that i thought that cop claim was legit ok??
please stop :C

I'm actually just kinda ready to lynch this.

VOTE: carcalilly

Hebi, can you explain the reasoning behind this vote in more detail? If possible, could you explain in your own words what Carc had done to make you ready to lynch her?

I have, multiple times, ISO me if you want to see it, I practically started that wagon, I just rejoined it later on.

Well, hebi, I am on my phone right now, so it's a bit hard for me to analyze your I SO, take notes, and post. Could you please simply write one complete sentence that summarizes why you believe carca was scrum at that moment?

[TPFKAP]

I am asking about your vote in post 820.

[TPFKAP]

What's confusing me is that you are apparently trying to justify a vote with an interaction that happened 500 posts later.

[TPFKAP]

I'll see you guys tomorrow.

[TPFKAP]

I think Hebi is far scummier than Carc. I also have issues with Carc's wagon. I would rather lynch Hebi than Carc. I don't want to weaken the Game wagon so I'm not going to switch my vote.

[TPFKAP]

I think there are at least 2 scum on the Carcalily wagon, maybe 3.
Hebi is unable to answer for her motivations even the most basic of questions, and hops around wagons whenever it seems like they are going to run up to lynch.

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: Carcalilly

I guess?

I haven't explored hebi in awhile because her posts responding to my criticism of her seemed pretty town and requesting to be part of the masonry, while somewhat unbelievable, would have risked her being outed really early on for no reason if she were scum.

I'm probably still willing to lynch Game Replacement even if the CC isn't real.

And there are a ton of slots I've either been overlooking or that have done jack shit that are probably lynch worthy too.

VOTE: Carca

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

is so much post!

sorry i have the bisy time.

i read the mans, but the mans tell power. think is ok, no pick. think badmans pick.

i not read all, is so much. many mans pick carlily, this good! so i pick. replacemans is can pick to.

VOTE: carlily

lolme
looked at her ISO and she literally hasnt had reads in ages.
or at least she isnt pushing anything on her own.

vote: carcalilly

we should narrow the lynch choices to lilly/tkpletters and force people to choose under pain of shouting at them

lolme
looked at her ISO and she literally hasnt had reads in ages.
or at least she isnt pushing anything on her own.

vote: carcalilly

we should narrow the lynch choices to lilly/tkpletters and force people to choose under pain of shouting at them

ihu you're the reason I leftttttt


VOTE: CarcaLMAO


definitely agree with gladiate of TPFKPP/Carca

VOTE: carc

But like

~ThEvIbEs~

Say green

But i am obligated to sheep you

VOTE: carca

its my wagon dont take credit for it

(jk its grapes)

[TPFKAP]

I mean, wanting a lynch and going with wagons could come from Town.

Of course there are town players on your wagon that "just want a lynch", but no one on your wagon really thinks you are scum, apparently.

[TPFKAP]

Spiffeh is guessing?
Game is just (counter)wagoning.
Torg is just jumping on the bandwagon.
Gork is trying to establish a false binary.
Zach is supporting the false binary.
Transcend flat out thinks Carc is town.
Bins is voting for a wagon that she says is grapes'

This is a shit wagon.

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: carcalily

Are we good to go this time?

and then this.

VOTE: HEBI

Die scum.

[TPFKAP]

Spiffeh is guessing?
Game is just (counter)wagoning.
Torg is just jumping on the bandwagon.
Gork is trying to establish a false binary.
Zach is supporting the false binary.
Transcend flat out thinks Carc is town.
Bins is voting for a wagon that she says is grapes'

This is a shit wagon.

But if you had read you'd know that's not the start of this wagon.. it's simply the revival

Then the revival of this wagon is shit.

[TPFKAP]

false binary is a pretty garbage way to describe what i was trying to do,
but
yeah i kind of dont really love carc or pigletters for scum right now.
zzzzzzzzz

Glad you knew what I meant.

[TPFKAP]

I'm ok with spiffeh being around tomorrow.

[TPFKAP]

If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.

Could you explain your townread on GR for me?

Sorry but I don't follow the theory:How would scum "prove" that ap and gr were scum?

Carcalilly, you need to put some effort in at this point or you are just making it harder to lynch scum (if you are town). So really, either way, you need to post content. Pick someone and ISOthem, give a read, etc.

[TPFKAP]

Then the revival of this wagon is shit.

I mean what are your thoughts on Carcalilly herself's ISO being very red

what do you mean?

So, you have time to make memes at exactly 4:20, but you haven't solved... any thing?...? and don't have reads?


I'm not sure if I should instantly lynch you or let you endgame.

I'll start that now.

[TPFKAP]

Ok, finished.

I think Carcalilly is town. Since her #16 or so, she actually has posted more content than I thought.

She has been consistent in giving reads. Some of her explanations have been, well, unhelpful: "it's just the stuff they say and the way they say it". However, she interacted with a wide swath of the game, in reaction to game events, with opinions, and that is content. I don't find any obvious contradictions in those opinions. In fact, all of them make some kind of legitimate sense to me.

She also has done at least a little scum hunting / investigation. During the neighborizer fiasco, she pressed hebi on her hesitation to be Masoned. She asked for a meta read on PV. She asks if Ninja is a scum roll.

She's consistently shared her reads on other players, and they aren't bad.

Her scetchy interaction with narna is the worst part of her play as far as I can see. But even that has a very simple town explanation.

Town by me.

Carc, you have posted a lot more than I gave you credit for. I apologize. Now go do your homework.

[TPFKAP]

Bins is voting for a wagon that she says is grapes'

thats.. thats not what i meant? or like how is this bad? my original vote was sheeping grapes but i still agree with the scumread

Bins, what is the scumread, in your own words?

[TPFKAP]

Theatre involving multiple replace outs and a site ban seems like pretty next level theatre. Their partner(s) must be really persuasive if this happened. Option 2 also need analysis with it, hence doesn’t sound like what you initially called scum theatre.
As of page 120 I dislike the guy with the big wagon thing.

Was someone actually banned?

[TPFKAP]

I don't see scum motivation for anything she's done.

[TPFKAP]

Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.

[TPFKAP]

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

[TPFKAP]

Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.

Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.

Sure, and/or in the scum chat. Ok back to moving on.

[TPFKAP]

Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.

Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.

Sure, and/or in the scum chat. Ok back to moving on.

Which means it wasn't planned, which was your theory. I'm happy to move on now.

i WANT to ask "3hat means it wasn't planned?" But I won't cause of moving on.

[TPFKAP]

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

[TPFKAP]

the implication would be tactical anyway. suggesting it as a theory is disingenuous.

Could you say this another way? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[TPFKAP]

the implication would be tactical anyway. suggesting it as a theory is disingenuous.

Could you say this another way? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Tactical play as scum. Replacing tactically is illegal, but two scum coordinating replaces wouldn't be missed at all. Unless there's a preference for that that I don't know about.

I did not know it was illegal.

[TPFKAP]

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

The overall consensus is that's self explanatory. Just because one or two people might answer 5 for 2+2, does not mean the answer isn't 4.

I don't like her read on me. We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you.

I am bandwagoning because I scum read the play and the slots I want to get lynched aren't preferred right now.

From which posts are you drawing this "overall consensus"? If there is one, why are you going along with it?

You wrote : "

I don't like her read on me.

We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and

as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you."

So, you are calling yourself scummy.

[TPFKAP]

Spiffeh is guessing?
Game is just (counter)wagoning.
Torg is just jumping on the bandwagon.
Gork is trying to establish a false binary.
Zach is supporting the false binary.
Transcend flat out thinks Carc is town.
Bins is voting for a wagon that she says is grapes'

This is a shit wagon.

[TPFKAP]

Did you soft claim?

[TPFKAP]

How would you feel about Audi wagon?

[TPFKAP]

Lol. Uzi

[TPFKAP]

Fine with thay

[TPFKAP]

Them? Or what?

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: tpf

you know why i scumread carca, same reason everyone does - weird votes, bad tone, and no current reads

hebi is still town because of the mason reaction and i honestly feel the fact that she's just casting her vote everywhere is town. doesn't scum try to fake justification more? she's way too obviously opportunistic. i don't like the "too scummy to be scummy" argument but maybe its just
too basic to be where i want a flip

No, I don't because you won't explain it. You, like Uzi, are hiding behind "the consensus". I doubt you could even type up a coherent case with relevant quoted evidence.

[TPFKAP]

I'm out.

[TPFKAP]

[TPFKAP]

[TPFKAP]

kidney mafia

Comodded by MarioManiac4 and Zaphkael
Reviewed by Ser Arthur Dayne, Ircher and randomidget

DOCTOR WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
Oh.

FIIIIIINE. Keep stabbing your patient, I don't care anymore. I'm tired of this shit. Just, please don't damage those kidneys, we need those.
And don't forget to register the death cause as "dead on arrival" mister psycho. I'm not gonna be held accountable for your crap, yeah?

Status

Day 1

Playerlist

1. gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour)
   
2. SlySly
   
3. hebichan
   
4. Lycanfire
   
5. Bins
   
6. POWERFUL WARRIOR (hydra of hiplop and The Bulge)
   
7. Spiffeh
   
8. Lil Uzi Vert
   Wings
   
   
9. gerryoat
   
10. PeregrineV
    
11. Arcade Pals (hydra of Dunnstral and MariaR)
    
12. Hopkirk
    
13. torgonitoh
    
14. Transcend
    Lasagne Bot (hydra of kraska77 and Transcend)
    
    
15. Carcalilly
    
16. Gorkington
    Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6)
    
    
17. Game Replacement
    rb
    
    
18. Narna
    
19. TPFKAP
    
20. grapes
    
21. Zachstralkita

Spoiler: Still owning at least one kidney (alive)

1. gonkbadoop taskmaster
   
2. SlySly
   
3. hebichan
   
4. Lycanfire
   
5. Bins
   
6. POWERFUL WARRIOR
   
7. Spiffeh
   
8. Wings
   
9. gerryoat
   
10. PeregrineV
    
11. Arcade Pals
    
12. Hopkirk
    
13. torgonitoh
    
14. Transcend
    
15. Carcalilly
    
16. Can It
    
17. rb
    
18. Narna
    
19. TPFKAP
    
20. grapes
    
21. Zachstralkita

Spoiler: Bled out (ded tbh)

nobody! (yet.)

Spoiler: Shit that happened yo

• uhhh nothing really?

OK ok you SOFT BRAINED maggots let me spell this out for you. I'm am a town POWERROLE. I'm not going to tell you which one so just GO FUCK YOURSELF on that score. So everyone except scrum just get the cunting fuck off my wagon right now. Every one of you is playing like a

[redacted]

troll. The fact that you let each other get away with it means the war is already lost. You know what's really terrible? Epic mafia. See it used toto be that people discovered mafia there, got sick of the bI'll shot, and came here to play like human beings. But you new immigrants have brought your shit culture with you. Fuck you for ruining the fun this game was supposed to bring us. It's not your personal chat room tofor jerk off in. Go stick your fingers up eachothers asses somewhere else. You call disrespectful? it's disrespectful to put in zero effort hile simultaneously creating hundreds of pages to read with your total blathering forth. Go howl at the moon somewhere else. Respect is earned, children. You don't deserve a moment of my time, let alone my respect.

I'm deciding who to sheep for the rest of th e game if you Fucking idiots can ever lynch someone whowho is actually a scummy.

Oh by the way, doctor is a scum roll in this game. Read the Fucking thread.

[TPFKAP]

kidney mafia

Comodded by MarioManiac4 and Zaphkael
Reviewed by Ser Arthur Dayne, Ircher and randomidget

DOCTOR WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
Oh.

FIIIIIINE. Keep stabbing your patient, I don't care anymore. I'm tired of this shit. Just, please don't damage those kidneys, we need those.
And don't forget to register the death cause as "dead on arrival" mister psycho. I'm not gonna be held accountable for your crap, yeah?

Status

Day 1

Playerlist

1. gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour)
   
2. SlySly
   
3. hebichan
   
4. Lycanfire
   
5. Bins
   
6. POWERFUL WARRIOR (hydra of hiplop and The Bulge)
   
7. Spiffeh
   
8. Lil Uzi Vert
   Wings
   
   
9. gerryoat
   
10. PeregrineV
    
11. Arcade Pals (hydra of Dunnstral and MariaR)
    
12. Hopkirk
    
13. torgonitoh
    
14. Transcend
    Lasagne Bot (hydra of kraska77 and Transcend)
    
    
15. Carcalilly
    
16. Gorkington
    Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6)
    
    
17. Game Replacement
    rb
    
    
18. Narna
    
19. TPFKAP
    
20. grapes
    
21. Zachstralkita

Spoiler: Still owning at least one kidney (alive)

1. gonkbadoop taskmaster
   
2. SlySly
   
3. hebichan
   
4. Lycanfire
   
5. Bins
   
6. POWERFUL WARRIOR
   
7. Spiffeh
   
8. Wings
   
9. gerryoat
   
10. PeregrineV
    
11. Arcade Pals
    
12. Hopkirk
    
13. torgonitoh
    
14. Transcend
    
15. Carcalilly
    
16. Can It
    
17. rb
    
18. Narna
    
19. TPFKAP
    
20. grapes
    
21. Zachstralkita

Spoiler: Bled out (ded tbh)

nobody! (yet.)

Spoiler: Shit that happened yo

• uhhh nothing really?

OK ok you SOFT BRAINED maggots let me spell this out for you. I'm am a town POWERROLE. I'm not going to tell you which one so just GO FUCK YOURSELF on that score. So everyone except scrum just get the cunting fuck off my wagon right now. Every one of you is playing like a

[redacted]

troll. The fact that you let each other get away with it means the war is already lost. You know what's really terrible? Epic mafia. See it used toto be that people discovered mafia there, got sick of the bI'll shot, and came here to play like human beings. But you new immigrants have brought your shit culture with you. Fuck you for ruining the fun this game was supposed to bring us. It's not your personal chat room tofor jerk off in. Go stick your fingers up eachothers asses somewhere else. You call disrespectful? it's disrespectful to put in zero effort hile simultaneously creating hundreds of pages to read with your total blathering forth. Go howl at the moon somewhere else. Respect is earned, children. You don't deserve a moment of my time, let alone my respect.

I'm deciding who to sheep for the rest of th e game if you Fucking idiots can ever lynch someone whowho is actually a scummy.

Oh by the way, doctor is a scum roll in this game. Read the Fucking thread.

[TPFKAP]

Then vote one of the doctors numbnuts.

Nah, that's not how to playafia

[TPFKAP]

also the flavour doc = doc is scum is absolutely bs lol

Yeah you are right lol I take it all back, you guys are great

[TPFKAP]

Lmfao

[TPFKAP]

Then vote one of the doctors numbnuts.

Nah, that's not how to playafia

"Doctor is a scum roll this game." "lynching scum roles is not how you play mafia." Am I missing some sarcasm here or what?

LOL NARNA SCUM AMIRITE??????

[TPFKAP]

I've never seen someone take being the worst player in the lobby so poorly.

I know, right? It's lollipop scummy.

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: hebichan


One of the two people who didn't make a vote are probably scum.

How did you pick hebi over gonk?

[TPFKAP]

Nice copy pasta lmao

Thanks bro! You are so Fucking cool and good

[TPFKAP]

Whoops sorry everyone, I was off my meds for 20 minutes, I take it all back and I'll do better now.

[TPFKAP]

well, he's getting replaced and probably banned for the "retarded" part sooooooooo

Good call, I regret using the term restarted in a disparaging manner. I apologize for the offensive and derogatory language.

[TPFKAP]

Vote: Game Replacement

I'll lynch

anyone[/I] to save myself!

[TPFKAP]

This is not okay. Don't do this.

acknowledged.

[TPFKAP]

Could you all add tags or signatures to your profiles that indicate which meta team or clique you are all on? I think that's causing a lot of the confusion.

[TPFKAP]

I knew I liked you Zach.

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: hebichan


One of the two people who didn't make a vote are probably scum.

How did you pick hebi over gonk?

Are you seriously asking about rvs votes?

Yes, but I'm not asking you.

[TPFKAP]

No meta here at all.

Even with your med excuse the theater is real.

1. HUH?

2. You think????!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!1

[TPFKAP]

No meta, uh huh.

Spoiler:

VOTE: hebichan


One of the two people who didn't make a vote are probably scum.

Oh I claim Miller by the way, haha.

Zach is scum

a. He isn't the type of person to believe people who don't vote in rvs are scum.
b. He isn't the type of person to claim miller as town. He believes in not getting investigated.

Confident vote on

VOTE: Zachstralkita

Probably a better early tunnel than gokybadoopy.

I don't know zach all that well though, so I couldn't say I know enough to agree completely.

VOTE: Zach

What makes you think that was Dunn talking?

I can differentiate between you and Dunn by Dunn's odd ass typing structure where he uses some capitals but uses punctuation very sparingly.


If it was you that voted me then I am very, very sorrowful. I may have to just collapse and start crying.

What a post, my guy. You think I limit my options like that in an 800 player game if I roll scum?

I think it's a decent scum setup that you can always circle back to should other attempts fall through.

Pere what's going on man? You're not lurking.

He's not scum and it isn't late enough for him to feel pressure on him.

God, I remember when we were scum together in mass effect mafia he lurked the hardest.

VOTE: hebichan

Every game is like this, then I end up confirmed town, and you feel bad, and I feel bad.

It's whatever dude.

UNVOTE: the lycan

VOTE: Zach

I have to sacrifice the kidney to the mafia.

Its ok ur buddy zach is first

He's not my buddy, I'm not even sure he's scum.

But, I don't have many better votes. Why would he vote me, I vote him, I sheep him, then go back to voting him if I were his buddy?

That's absolute shit distancing.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and say what I would do as scum, because I criticize people for that as it is, but it wouldn't be that.

p-edit: spiffeh didn't pressure me, I'm making fun of the fact that I ended up confirmed town in two games where he voted me early.

p-edit: spiffeh didn't pressure me, I'm making fun of the fact that I ended up confirmed town in two games where he voted me early.

I literally don't remember this ever happening

PYP, homestuck?

I mean, it'd be the same pt that they are added to. They'd also be town, so...

It has to do with who you add, it's okay if they see it after the fact, It's just something I would post to the qt but not to the entire game.

You can confess your feelings for me here Hebi. I think you're swell too!

Look, I can get a huge town block going, lets just put it that way.

VOTE: Gerry

I'm not scared of you, I'm not scared of anyone!

I'm the eternal IC. Fite me.

Okay, I am confused as all hell.

This is the weirdest fakeclaim ever from narna.

Which, I mean....I had already sort of expected.

I could probably ISO hebichan and say something wrong with like every post of hers?

@hebi I've played like one game with you so I take this with a grain of salt but you actually seemed level-headed and productive in PYP

I pushed you hard as scum in that game and you weren't nearly as flatly and self-involved as you are now

After my vote on you I haven't seen you make one post that didn't mention yourself or your wagon

Worst of all you are encouraging people to vote for you while simultaneously threatening to claim at 8 votes? Town never wants to claim prematurely, scum do it to get people off their backs

I don't think you're this bad

You wanted a reaction to this, even though you also complained I was talking about myself too much in this same post.

I lost PYP, I'm trying new things. They may not work, but claiming I was "better" when I was carried by LLD to end game so she could snow me is pretty silly.

Is Hebi a Mario alt?

No? I'm LLD and GI's roommate they got to join the site a few years back, I took a hiatus for life reasons. I also think mario's a dude?

[TPFKAP]

No meta here at all.

Even with your med excuse the theater is real.

1. HUH?

2. You think????!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!1

Are you just claiming scum then?

Do you think scum would do this?

[TPFKAP]

Maybe no meta was pushing it, but not nearly as much as most people in this game have.

Fair statement.

[TPFKAP]

No meta here at all.

Even with your med excuse the theater is real.

1. HUH?

2. You think????!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!1

Are you just claiming scum then?

Do you think scum would do this?

Pick apart small statements in a a frenzy to find anything wrong with it, no matter how stupid and then make a giant, insincere rage post in order to appeal to emotion everyone?

In a word... yes?

So how is my theatre different from the other two in this thread so far?

[TPFKAP]

What I meant to say is that if you are implying I am working with people due to meta that's pretty laughable.

That's not what I meant to imply.

[TPFKAP]

gork and spiffy

[TPFKAP]

gork and spiffy

Be that as it may, my vote stays where it is.

[TPFKAP]

Your weird theatre has no real grounding though, TPF. What basis did you have to call the town terrible? We should have turbolynched you upon entrance for your reads and associatives. They're robotic and nearly awful.. even if you had flipped green we wouldn't have had to read your posts at least... the gork and spiffeh panel is the best one. Also, no one cares if you don't like shitposting.



I said already, lynch either TPF or Game Replacement. I might even want to move onto that wagon, but I probably won't. Even I feel like GR would be defending himself more as town... but I don't know that that means anything.


Wait, are there really only 3 votes here, 4 with hebi, because this feels like a useless wagon.

Ok, lets do this, Zach, WHY are my posts awful?

[TPFKAP]

Her weird theater was a ploy to make a point about gork and spiffeh.... or so she says?

Misrepresentation, I never said that.

[TPFKAP]

Fair you never "said" that, but it seems pretty evident with the way you asked why your theater was worse than gork's or spiffeh's.

If you weren't making a point, then it's completely out of nowhere.

I was making a point, but word choice matters.


What I asked you was: "how is my theater different from the others?"

What I'm trying to get you to explain is, in your own opinion, why does my "AtE" make me scummy but their "AtE"s do not??

[TPFKAP]

Ok, lets do this, Zach, WHY are my posts awful?

I'd have to tell you later. I wish Gorkington hadn't replaced out, cause he probably could have done it.

I doubt it, he didn't seem capable of explaining himself, either. Wrong "headspace" I guess.

[TPFKAP]

0. Well, first of all, you are welcome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM
1. Would you please, kindly, with sugar on top, stop referring to what most people think and just engage me like a person? What is your case on Spiffeh, and what is your case on me? If it's just "gut", just say "it's gut."

2. Can It was amazing. Best part of the game 100%. All theater must require understandable reasons.

3. I have reads on almost every slot. Whom are you asking about?

[TPFKAP]

0. Well, first of all, you are welcome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM
1. Would you please, kindly, with sugar on top, stop referring to what most people think and just engage me like a person? What is your case on Spiffeh, and what is your case on me? If it's just "gut", just say "it's gut."

2. Can It was amazing. Best part of the game 100%. All theater must require understandable reasons.

3. I have reads on almost every slot. Whom are you asking about?

1. I don't feel like engaging you like a person, it's more than you deserve.

2. It's not theater if it has understandable reasons

3. You know damn well who I am talking about unless you have extremely short memory.

lol, avoided every question. nice.

[TPFKAP]

As for my case on you, You have been picking at extremely minute details that are completely pointless in order to look like you're "solving" , which is a very, very scum thing to do.

You are failing to give actual reads, just continued ATE, posturing, and overanalyzing.

You are posting quite a lot and committed to very, very little.


As for my case on spiffeh, It's not gut, but as it's not what I feel like pushing right now, I retain the right to hold it close to my chest.

oh ok, here we go, THANK YOU.

I have given a SHIT LOAD of reads. you dont' have to agree or like them, you can even call them bullshit or scummy, but I've given reads.

"The devil is in the details." If I'm not supposed to look at the details, then what the hell am I supposed to look at?

I see patterns, I see relationships, I see motivations, I see distancing, I see OMGUS, I see a lot of stuff that I have shared with you all. I don't know what you expect if it isn't what I've been doing. As far as I can tell, you people just insult eachother and talk about meta until someone says the magic word and then you lynch someone and pretend like its the best you could have done.

[TPFKAP]

Hell you only started posting so much because we complained you were so inactive, and now your posts are about as empty of real, compelling content as can be.

All you've been doing is acting like a 5 year old.

"Why is the sky blue"

"Because of the ocean"

"Butttt whyyy?"

Bullshit! Who complained I was inactive? Quote it.

[TPFKAP]

Why is the sky blue? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I've been told "quoting is useless." I've been told speculating about possible associations is useless. I think it was even implied that analyzing votes doesn't matter.

I have at least 2 people telling me that they are voting because of some kind of perceived consensus.

I don't know you folks. I am not "in" on the meta. I can't judge people based on how they have acted before, and I'm not going to go read past games to figure it out. I see things, I note them, I present my opinions and theories. That's all I can do.

[TPFKAP]

3. You know damn well who I am talking about unless you have extremely short memory.

I GUESS you mean Gork and Spiffeh? I asked because, like I said, I'm not sure.

I suspect that Spiffeh and Gork just had a huge blowup, on purpose, to distance their slots. Of course that's not a certainty. It is a theory. It could be wrong, but that's what I think.

Spiffeh was promising rereads. Why not just skim/chime in on the current page? Why postpone the ability of other players to read what you think? Scum do that.

Gork has been pushing hard on Carc, who I think is an easy scum mislynch. I suspect Gork may be scum.

[TPFKAP]

Why is the sky blue? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I've been told "quoting is useless." I've been told speculating about possible associations is useless. I think it was even implied that analyzing votes doesn't matter.

I have at least 2 people telling me that they are voting because of some kind of perceived consensus.

I don't know you folks. I am not "in" on the meta. I can't judge people based on how they have acted before, and I'm not going to go read past games to figure it out. I see things, I note them, I present my opinions and theories. That's all I can do.

I'm not asking you to meta, I'm asking you not to go poke at the RVS, because it's pointless and won't lead anywhere, it's a classic scum move to make them look like they're actively playing the game.

I am not metaing on most of this game either. I haven't played with you, I haven't played with carca, I haven't played with Gerry.

I am scum reading you all based on your play. So stop acting like this is all meta, stop misrepresenting me, stop trying to deflect the arguments on yourself.

"I don't know you folks" is weaksauce.

Why are you worried about a question that I asked someone ELSE about their vote?

ISO me and point out where I'm not playing the game.

What parts of my play are you scum reading other than what we have already addressed?

[TPFKAP]

Like, is there any lynch you want to see?

Is there any wagon you would like to support?

It's page 143, put your money where your mouth is and case someone.

Oh for Christ's sake Hebi.

Spoiler:

few questions:

- When was the last time you played?

I may have played one game of mafia in the last year, but I don't think I've played here for around two years. I didn't check before making this post.

1. If Carcalilly's posting is all fluff, how then is she "not immediately threatening scum?" You prioritize your scum or are you calling her null after calling her posting all fluff?

Her posts are impotent and superficial. She's probably overwhelmed townie, but she might be timid scum. Either way, she poses no immediate threat to the town.

2. Did you just call that whole thing theatre?

Yes, I did.

3. Does your GR vote factor in the claims? Did you already state your thoughts on the "CC" we have going on?

I think I understand someone claimed some kind of doc and someone else claimed some kind of doc and there has been a lot of debate about if those two kinds of docs could credibly be assumed to be in the game together. I am not factoring it in to my GR vote.

4. Why is gonkbadoop scum on their play?

He manipulated you into claiming your flavor between day 1 and day 20 (a few hours?)
Gonk buddied up to you right away by following your vote on hebi.
Gonk jumped in to defend you against Arcade's meta case.
Gonk continued to defend you and sheeped.
After you had softclaimed twice, suddenly gonk starts praising Arcade.
Then, after you and hebi agreed to a Lycanfire wagon, gonk suggested you flavor claim.
Arcade agreed.
You said no.
Arcade says "dunn here",
and gonk votes for you and shoots smilies at Arcade.
gonk says there is no reason not to claim, and you do.

5. Why is Transcend/Lasagne scum on their play?

Here are my notes on Lasagne:
lasagna: why me?, asks for vig, votes RB, fluff, ready to sheep Zach, vague support of votes, wars against zach tunneling on so 651, fluff, buddying to spiffeh, asks what spiffe things he would be as scum, townreads hebi, defends hebi a lot. asking many questions about meta, sucks PVs cock, tries to confirm gonk.

And, of course, see question 2.

6. I'm sure you have to have analyzed... other stuff, right?

Of course, I have notes on everyone who has posted, and incomplete theories here and there.

Heading out of the house now.

I've caught up since last post and also is Iso'd lasagna/transcend, rb/GR, and carcallilly.

Carcallilly posts almost all fluff. She could be scum hanging back and trying to blend in, or town with no strong reads. Not useful town, not immediately threatening scum.

The blowup between ladagna/trans and rb feels manufactured to me. At this point, I think it's a gambit and we could successfully lynch scrum either way.

Game is not a convincing town in rbs slot.

I still believe think is a good lynch.
Arcade is still possibly scrum with gonk.

Thus, i'm happy to lynch rb or trans today.

Trans will help me lynch rb's slot, so...

VOTE: GAME REPLACEMENT

On a strategy level, if town players could stop defending their friends and towareads, and focus on sharing scumreads, that would make it a lot easier to figure out actual mafia teams.

How would everyone else rank that list?

game > carc > arcade

I. can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater

Sure. I think there are two explanations for in-game drama on that magnitude

1. Both people involved are immature, overly sensitive, and self-absorbed, and selfish.
2. One is scum and intentionally tilting the other in order to distract the town from scumhunting.
3. It's a bi-lateral scum gambit.

I think 2 or 3 is more likely. Either way, scum theater.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them

If one or both are scum, playing to their history would apparently be a great idea, solid scum strategy.

iii) can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics

Not offhand. I will deliver on this later if I have the opportunity.

These are your posts. Theory and play analysis is highlighted in green. Meta, promises to read, repetition, jokes, role/setup speculation, self-defense, and complaining are not highlighted. Scumtells are highlighted in RED.

Spoiler:

Content-less post.

VOTE: zach

Narna, I want in your masonry.

A land down under.
1. You're Zach.
2. You're always scum.
3. Millers are worthless.

I'd compromise on PerV. He's never this active as town until D4 or D5.

Almost every game I play, PerV lurks for the first 3 or 4 days and is always town.

I have not received any link to said Registry, but I am catching up now, just starting page 21, perhaps I'm behind a little.

Where does your confidence in saying this originate?
Just because Narna's masonry is bs doesn't mean there isn't a real one.

Please point out exactly how I've been scummy. I think you're full of shit.

I hate hydras and all the alts and everyone except me knowing who all the alts are and using names that aren't in play. Every game, one or two get a knot tied in their panties and blow the thread up, just like happened here, and make it shit for everyone else to read.
Pick a name, use it and don't join hydras. FFS!

Amen.

It's the same people causing the same shit in every game. It's always just a different name or someone in a hydra.

quote: I wanted SlySly but it was taken.
It can be purchased!

I am willing to sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR. He knows what he want to do with his life. He wants to ROCK.

gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour) - vague memories of giga from another games, seems like she/he replaced out at some point, i could be forgetting. no memory of schadd. i've read the entire game and i can't recall one thing said by this slot/hydra. NULL
SlySly - OBVTOWN
hebichan -

pushing shade on me, likely scum

Lycanfire - vague memory from previous game. No memory from this game immediately entering my mind. Null
Bins - this slot is striking me as town for some reason
POWERFUL WARRIOR (hydra of hiplop and The Bulge) - OBVTOWN
Spiffeh - probTown
Lil Uzi Vert - almost certainly scum because of the Luc -i -fer spin by whoever that was
gerryoat - leaning town
PeregrineV - too active for D1 for townPerV, yet his frequency is resonating at OBVTOWN
Arcade Pals (hydra of Dunnstral and MariaR) - gotta be town or Dunn would have already scum slipped.
Hopkirk - Null
torgonitoh - Null
Transcend Lasagne Bot (hydra of kraska77 and Transcend) -

trying to forget the meltdown and fallout from the replacements

, throwing shade on me, likely scum
Carcalilly - Null
Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6) - a picture is worth a thousand words, but a picture with words is better. Wanting to lean town just because art is cool. Null
Game Replacement rb -

I believe the claim

. TR
Narna - feeling like townNarna to me
TPFKAP - ??? - Null
grapes - Null
Zachstralkita - miller claim makes worthless slot imo

UNVOTE: Zachstralkita
VOTE:

hebichan because you were the first one in the list that i found scummy according to my reads list

. i will gladly sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR if he votes one of your buddies.

ugh, that game forced me into lurkmode in many games. lmao

You were shading me before I gave my list. My list doesn't suck.

The list you have now is irrelevant. You were shading me for nothing and you admitted it.

I've stated I don't like hydras many times before. It's even worse when it's a hydra with one of the heads being an alt. Then 50%+ of the players refer to that alt head as another name that's not in the game being played. It's enough to drive you nuts if you're not a part of the clique.
I have a full life, I keep up as I can. Rarely do I get time to dig through and iso players like I used to when life wasn't so full and the games didn't explode like they do now. I'm doing my best to keep up with the 20+ pages this game is producing each day. I comment on what I notice.

The whole original rb wagon was a low effort meta wagon.

Only now has Narna given it some glue.

I can only see this as an imitation of ralph smart.

I'm on top of page 99 catching up.
I have thoughts to share from what I've read so far. Coming soon...

I believe Rb's claim more than Narna's.

Narna's claim could be true. Narna's already proven to be a liar with her gambit (LAL)

I see a scenario where Arcade's claim could be true, but the ninja part really bugs me. This claim kinda feels like a mod provided fake claim to me.

I believe Zach's claim.

Carca claimed VT. (LAVTC)

UNVOTE: hebichan while I dig through some ISO's and do some more thinking.

It's more than you think it is.

VOTE: Arcade Pals

I had to catch up 30+ pages from last night. I just caught up. I'm digging.
I believe Rb's claim way more.

Can you show me where? I'm missing it.

It all comes down to the "ninja" part of the claim for me.

Idk, at this point, technically, Carca could probably be considered a counter as well.

I'm just basing things on where they are now. I think Carca is currently bigger wagon than AP or GR.

Transcend apparently has 2 votes as well. Are y'all buddies?

I haven't lurked at all

.

I think Hebi is far scummier than Carc. I also have issues with Carc's wagon. I would rather lynch Hebi than Carc. I don't want to weaken the Game wagon so I'm not going to switch my vote.

I think there are at least 2 scum on the Carcalily wagon, maybe 3.
Hebi is unable to answer for her motivations even the most basic of questions, and hops around wagons whenever it seems like they are going to run up to lynch.

VOTE: carcalily

Are we good to go this time?

and then this.

VOTE: HEBI

Die scum.

I'm ok with spiffeh being around tomorrow.

Ok, finished.

I think Carcalilly is town. Since her #16 or so, she actually has posted more content than I thought.

She has been consistent in giving reads. Some of her explanations have been, well, unhelpful: "it's just the stuff they say and the way they say it". However, she interacted with a wide swath of the game, in reaction to game events, with opinions, and that is content. I don't find any obvious contradictions in those opinions. In fact, all of them make some kind of legitimate sense to me.

She also has done at least a little scum hunting / investigation. During the neighborizer fiasco, she pressed hebi on her hesitation to be Masoned. She asked for a meta read on PV. She asks if Ninja is a scum roll.

She's consistently shared her reads on other players, and they aren't bad.

Her scetchy interaction with narna is the worst part of her play as far as I can see. But even that has a very simple town explanation.

Town by me.

Carc, you have posted a lot more than I gave you credit for. I apologize. Now go do your homework.

I don't see scum motivation for anything she's done.

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

The overall consensus is that's self explanatory. Just because one or two people might answer 5 for 2+2, does not mean the answer isn't 4.

I don't like her read on me. We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you.

I am bandwagoning because I scum read the play and the slots I want to get lynched aren't preferred right now.

From which posts are you drawing this "overall consensus"? If there is one, why are you going along with it?

You wrote : "

I don't like her read on me.

We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and

as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you."

So, you are calling yourself scummy.

[TPFKAP]

Well, shit, sorry. Bad spoiler tag on that one

[TPFKAP]

I know you have "reads"

I know you have "explained them"

but it doesn't feel like you're trying to get any of them lynched.

Please tell me what more I can do to get my scumreads lynched. I have posted my cases, answered questions about them, quoted relevant posts etc. I believe I have kept my vote on the wagons I have supported in my theories.

[TPFKAP]

Hey now that's just hurtful.

[TPFKAP]

few questions:

- When was the last time you played?

I may have played one game of mafia in the last year, but I don't think I've played here for around two years. I didn't check before making this post.

1. If Carcalilly's posting is all fluff, how then is she "not immediately threatening scum?" You prioritize your scum or are you calling her null after calling her posting all fluff?

Her posts are impotent and superficial. She's probably overwhelmed townie, but she might be timid scum. Either way, she poses no immediate threat to the town.

2. Did you just call that whole thing theatre?

Yes, I did.

3. Does your GR vote factor in the claims? Did you already state your thoughts on the "CC" we have going on?

I think I understand someone claimed some kind of doc and someone else claimed some kind of doc and there has been a lot of debate about if those two kinds of docs could credibly be assumed to be in the game together. I am not factoring it in to my GR vote.

4. Why is gonkbadoop scum on their play?

He manipulated you into claiming your flavor between day 1 and day 20 (a few hours?)
Gonk buddied up to you right away by following your vote on hebi.
Gonk jumped in to defend you against Arcade's meta case.
Gonk continued to defend you and sheeped.
After you had softclaimed twice, suddenly gonk starts praising Arcade.
Then, after you and hebi agreed to a Lycanfire wagon, gonk suggested you flavor claim.
Arcade agreed.
You said no.
Arcade says "dunn here",
and gonk votes for you and shoots smilies at Arcade.
gonk says there is no reason not to claim, and you do.

5. Why is Transcend/Lasagne scum on their play?

Here are my notes on Lasagne:
lasagna: why me?, asks for vig, votes RB, fluff, ready to sheep Zach, vague support of votes, wars against zach tunneling on so 651, fluff, buddying to spiffeh, asks what spiffe things he would be as scum, townreads hebi, defends hebi a lot. asking many questions about meta, sucks PVs cock, tries to confirm gonk.

And, of course, see question 2.

6. I'm sure you have to have analyzed... other stuff, right?

Of course, I have notes on everyone who has posted, and incomplete theories here and there.

Heading out of the house now.

Scumposting or you don't read tone. The latter would explain why you scumread things like "emotion". Also, you're straight up just creating associations here.

The task you propose is not "easy."
First, you are asking me to dig through my long term memory and/or old games. I estimate that this would take at least an hour. I don't have that to spare.
Second, you ask me to provide an example of scum theater "to the level" that I think rb/kraska went to in this game. This is problematic for two reasons. One: I don't know rb or kraska, so I have no idea what "level" this is. Second: I don't know what YOUR definition of "level" here is, so you could effortlessly shoot down anything I submit anyway. For these reasons, this task is "difficult."

Here's you doing an 800 meter dash around Gork asking you a simple question.

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

so you have nothing to say to this?

Here's Gorkington explaining what he means. But wait, there's more. You just actually flat out don't respond to it.

Zach, can you point out an engagement that I have been running around?

I realize gork wants a response to his advice, orders, and statements of requirement. I will answer any questions that I'm asked.

Here's you acting like you don't have an engagement to respond to ^...

Okay TPFKAP, I'm going to ask you some questions that I would please like answered. Don't mind any oddities, I'm typing with my left hand.

i) Can u pls ? seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater,

because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.

can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater?

ii) If you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them?

ii

i) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.

Hi friend

What do you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences,?

and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail

what made you think that it was fake ?

can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics? please?

I. can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater

Sure. I think there are two explanations for in-game drama on that magnitude

1. Both people involved are immature, overly sensitive, and self-absorbed, and selfish.
2. One is scum and intentionally tilting the other in order to distract the town from scumhunting.
3. It's a bi-lateral scum gambit.

I think 2 or 3 is more likely. Either way, scum theater.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them

If one or both are scum, playing to their history would apparently be a great idea, solid scum strategy.

iii) can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics

Not offhand. I will deliver on this later if I have the opportunity.

^ And here is you finally responding to these questions after I... rewrite his exact words to where he doesn't shade you and put question marks on them. So you knew what he was talking about and you still, decided to not engage directly with him.

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

The overall consensus is that's self explanatory. Just because one or two people might answer 5 for 2+2, does not mean the answer isn't 4.

I don't like her read on me. We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you.

I am bandwagoning because I scum read the play and the slots I want to get lynched aren't preferred right now.

From which posts are you drawing this "overall consensus"? If there is one, why are you going along with it?

You wrote : "

I don't like her read on me.

We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and

as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you."

So, you are calling yourself scummy.

This scumread on Uzi is terrible.

OK ok you SOFT BRAINED maggots let me spell this out for you. I'm am a town POWERROLE.

Is this true? Even this part reads like some bullshit that you made up cause I don't think you have any cause to be upset about this game.[/spoiler][/quote]

I take back that what I said earlier about you expressing yourself. Thank you for taking the time.

1. My effort is to be analytical, so I can see why I would come off as mechanical. Tone is very hard to catch.

2. I think appeals to emotion should almost always be viewed as more pro-scum. Doing otherwise rewards the behavior.

3. I'm not trying to "create" associations. I am pointing out what I think I see.

4. I really don't feel like digging through old games, especially since this game is going to be like a thousand pages long. I know I've been in scum groups that planned staged social fallouts to distance. I don't know the people involved in these, but that's what it looked like to me. I'd expect players to be able to deal with their personal shit better and leave outside the game outside.

5. I don't like indirect questioning because it leaves too much wiggle room. If you ask me straight questions, I'll give you straight answers. If you don't ask me straight questions, I'll demand Socratic debate until we achieve it. Which you did.

6. why is the scumread on Uzi terrible? I mean this contradiction alone, in one sentence is a scumslip:

I don't like her read on me.

We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and

as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you.

So he defines scum behavior immediately after exemplifying it.

[TPFKAP]

Hi. This is the player formerly known as Transcend. I spent quite a while typing this up on Monday evening, but then found that I couldn't post. I've asked for permissions to be turned on, but they still haven't been turned on yet. I wanted to start from scratch without the baggage of my last runs here on MS, but I can't wait anymore so screw it.

So here is what I have through page 20.

Page 1

hebichan broke the silence.
gonkbadoop taskmaster smiled at her.

Zachstralkita stood up, shouted "ONE OF THEM IS SCUM!", and pointed his finger at hebichan.
gonk smiled ironically at him.

hebichan asked for a new liver and pointed her finger at gonk.
Zach, still pointing at Hebichan, laughed and said "I am a Miller".
gonk smiled at Zach and pointed their fingers at hebi.

PeregrineV woke up, and hebichan was still talking about livers.
Annoyed, he took a step towards Zach, intending to question him.
Arcade Pals burst onto the scene, immediately pointing their fingers at Zach saying "I KNOW HIM, HE IS NOT THIS WAY AS TOWN, HE IS SCUM" confident vote!
gonk jumped in between Arcade and Zach, demanding a source of information for Arcade's claims.

hebichan saw Arcade pointing at Zach. Then, shrugging her shoulders, she pointed at Zach too. Zach immediately offered a truce, which hebichan was eager to negotiate.

What are the relationships between gonk, Arcade, Zach, and Hebi?

Page 2-5ish

Zach is rambling.
gonk is defensive.
Arcade is bulldogging Zach.

LasagneBot makes smalltalk.
hebi cavorts with Zach.
Arcade Pals calls the pot black.

gonk defends Zach.
Zach playfights with "Dunn".
Zach softclaims for fun.

Hebi offers Zach a truce:
"Don't vote PV or Arcade Pals
and I might sheep for youse!"

Arcade fishes for PV's flavor.
gonk defends Zach.
gonk said he was sheeping Zach.

Zach softclaims again.
gonk praises Arcade.

Banter Banter,
Getting Tired,
Zach votes for Lycanfire.

Hebi votes for Lycanfire.
gonk suggests that Zach flavor claim.
Arcade agrees that Zach should flavor claim.
Zach refuses!
"Premature!" he scoffs!

Arcade tells the room "Dunn here"
gonk votes for Zach
gonk smiles and rolls their eyes at Arcade three times.

gonk convinces Zach to claim The Kidney.
gonk says there is no reason not to claim.
Zach claims.

gonk and Arcade appear to be working as a team.
Zach seems very defensive.
I guess hebi is happy the spotlight is off her for the moment.

Through page 20

Arcade

: Rolefishing, role speculation, distractions, "I'm keeping my vote here" post, claims, tells others to stop claiming.

gonk

: distractions, fluff, starts arguments but won't debate, votes hebichan but claims liver

Zach

: fluff, another claim, questions gonk on logic, but gets brushed off without an answer, comes back saying gonk is a townread, overreacts to rb, rambles on about his meta, posts image "the saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies". Calls out Hebi for her flip-flop, keeps arguing with the people voting for him. spends a lot of time defending himself.

Hebi

: claims with no prodding: flavor is part of the kidney, (page 1 suggests she needs a liver), under pressure from Spiffeh's vote, hebi gives up her lycanfire votes for Zach, hebi claims they were never on the same side and claims she doesn't have any better votes. hebi softclaims, challenges Spiffey to get a wagon going, but then asks Zach to stop voting for her.

In conclusion, I suggest we lynch Arcade and gonk. The others need keeping an eye on.

Sincerely,
Transcend
/tran * send/

what the fuck

[TPFKAP]

Dae feel like lettervomit is trying too hard to appear on their own? Just my take about meta/clique ate

Lol, I am definitely trying too hard for this crowd holy shit.

[TPFKAP]

meme

gig is somewhat out of commission but will be back later

i have sorta been reading, from what i can tell it seems like we have walked in circles a lot and little uzi vert has climbed to almost the top of the post count ometer

this has summarily stopped being interesting

cordially,

s

Would you mind please popping your vote on one of the leading wagons so we can end this abortion of a day 1?

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i personally think that referring to things that aren't abortions as abortions is something one ought strive not to do

s

I'll try not to use it, sorry if I upset you.

[TPFKAP]

you are also telling me to vote either you or the dude with the most votes

s

I realize that. I am as done with this day as anyone.

[TPFKAP]

Another obvious example of scum theatre.

[TPFKAP]

oh come on THAT was funny.

[TPFKAP]

meeeehh VOTE: game replacement

You have chosen wisely.
3 more and Uzi will hammer

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@tipfkipf personality changes over the course of a game have always been from scum in my experience so

s

Understood.

[TPFKAP]

I'd lynch it

[TPFKAP]

carcallilly. 630 this morning

[TPFKAP]

oh god maybe it's an age gap

[TPFKAP]

vote: arcade pals

[TPFKAP]

Let's y'all about for an0ther 150 pages.

Hebi, genuine apologies if I offended you today. But I still think you are scum

[TPFKAP]

No insult taken

[TPFKAP]

Oh missed grapes, grapes gets to live too.

Would you explain why, I don't read grapes town at all

[TPFKAP]

It's so low hanging though

[TPFKAP]

i didn't like that he lounged on carcas wagon for so long and then had no read to offer when it suddenly fell apart at l-1.

I also recall he asked people how they read him.

That's...about it though

After 149 pages you are fuckin right I'm desperate, I almost rage quit today. Also I feel bad for making people uncomfortable with my rant.

vote: game replacement

[TPFKAP]

day can now end. i allow it to happen. also note how shitty the lettervomit comp is. DESPERATION!

What does lettervomit comp even mean?

TPFKAP

(5)- grapes, Zachstralkita, Bins, hebichan, Arcade Pals

whole lot of scumfucks

Oh, lol. Should stop internalizing everything.

[TPFKAP]

[img][img]http://i.imgur.com/53xNNHN.png[/img][/img]

VOTE: HEBICHAN

[TPFKAP]

fack

[TPFKAP]

i miss cheetory his paints weren't shit

me too.

[TPFKAP]

Wow you all are dicks sorry I can't meet the Ms paint standards my predecessor set

???

[TPFKAP]

I'm sorry, I'm lost, why do you feel bullied?

[TPFKAP]

erk.

[TPFKAP]

why is transcend bowing to spiffeh

pet good doggo yes, but even town want pet good doggo. not only badman

He's getting scratchies and utsa butsa puppy wuppy duppy love for being a good boy, such a good boy

[TPFKAP]

Why are you worried about it?

[TPFKAP]

town

Those are all the worst townreads I can imagine.

[TPFKAP]

You claimed just to give hebi a chance to claim?

[TPFKAP]

Huh.

[TPFKAP]

Why are you planning to fullclaim today?

[TPFKAP]

You claimed just to give hebi a chance to claim?

What's wrong with this?

Why are you acting like hebi should be quicklynched because she belongs to a private topic when she has no way out as scum besides claiming neighbor with a scumpartner?

Why would you claim then, that makes it more likely she'd give up rather than implicate a scumparter.

I guess it's because he's more interested in defending himself than his partner.

[TPFKAP]

I am in a PT and not scum.

Not with hebi obviously

How many PTs do you think there are?

[TPFKAP]

When are you going to fullclaim?

[TPFKAP]

sshhhhh, he has to wait for hebi to claim so that they don't pick the same person

[TPFKAP]

How do you read me?

[TPFKAP]

[TPFKAP]

Who are you more concerned about possibly being lynched; Hebi or yourself?

[TPFKAP]

Are you neighbors with PV?

[TPFKAP]

If someone gets lynched before I claim that is very bad for all relevant parties.

I see, so you are holding us hostage.

[TPFKAP]

(this is the second time RC/Narna slot has tried to deflect a wagon on Hebi)

[TPFKAP]

so what do we do now?

[TPFKAP]

You know if hebichan does end up flipping scum I'm going to assume that you were trying to tie me to her

uhhhhh, your slot tied you to her.

[TPFKAP]

RC, do you townread hebi?

[TPFKAP]

Lies make baby Jesus cry.

UNVOTE

[/b]VOTE: VECNA[/b]

[TPFKAP]

VOTE: VECNA

[TPFKAP]

UNVOTE

Sorry votecounters.
god damn it you guys.

[TPFKAP]

Like I said, my role makes perfect sense for my organ.

Hebi, could you explain this for me please? I promise it's not a gotcha question.

[TPFKAP]

I can be long, or I can be short.
I can be grown, and I can be bought.
I can be flashy, or left bare.
I can be round, or I can be square.

What am I?

fingernails

[TPFKAP]

So I am pretty sure that the attack on Zach did not come from Mafia and that they shot me

So you're a BP and have a PT with someone?

[TPFKAP]

Like I said, my role makes perfect sense for my organ.

Hebi, could you explain this for me please? I promise it's not a gotcha question.

Mitochandria have a sort of double nucleus thing going on, almost making it look like two attached to eachother. It makes sense in a loose sort of way.

Mitochondria don't have nuclei, do they?

https://www.thoughtco.com/mitochondria-defined-373367

[TPFKAP]

I'm going to walk the dog and think about you

people

[TPFKAP]

Nah.

Vote: Hebichan

[TPFKAP]

I'd happily consider another option.

[TPFKAP]

Carca. That is a f****** garbage vote and if you are town you should do better

You embarrass yourself.

[TPFKAP]

Nah.

Lynches:
Hebi
RC
Bins
Trans

Gerry, lets come together.

Vote: Bins

[TPFKAP]

Me too

[TPFKAP]

It would help me a whole lot if the other half of the players in this game would get involved and help me by either:

A. Reassuring me that this explosion of claims and

actual lies

that all conveniently come together as a mass town claim is even remotely believable (because I don't think it is, at all, and it makes my skin crawl to keep all these independent, fake claiming, scumtelling metaerect players alive today).

B. Reassuring me that this explosion of claims and lies is crap, garbage, bad play and helping me pick the actual scum out from the mess of terrible play.

ok?

[TPFKAP]

Actually yeah I will.

I am the member of a 2-person 3P survivor faction with one other person.

What does "2-person 3P" mean?

[TPFKAP]

I mean how the fuck can i not trust you to joint with mafia if town fails horribly the next couple of days

I mean how the fuck can i not trust you to joint with mafia if town fails horribly the next couple of days

even in the worst case scenario where I was hard scum siding lynching me never helps your win condition.

Yeah i mean ok

Well who is the buddy? That way i can mark him or her off as "not mafia"

I'm keeping that quiet until I'm sure that no killing role decides to be assholes and attempt to kill us. They did not support me claiming for the record.

if we're both alive day 4 - day 5 I'll claim them.

Fine

Spoiler:

[TPFKAP]

Lynch me if you can.

I wish I were a vig this game.

[TPFKAP]

i know when I'm being lied to.

[TPFKAP]

Lycan, here's what I'm going to do. I am going to keep giving my "shotty" reads and play the way I feel I should.

However, I acknowledge that I may be unable to read this game because of all the lying. The only thing I can see right now is narna slot is trying really Fucking hard to protect hebi, while RC and Trans are striking a scum/ind deal.

Ignoring all that, the scummiest player to me would be grapes.


Now that I've got the shit reads out, here's what I'm gonna do, campfire. I'm gonna sheep you until you decide it's time for me to swing or you turn out scum. I think you are town, though, and I need someone to lean on.

I'll full claim if you want me to, but my opinion is it would be better to not.

Vote: arcade pals

[TPFKAP]

Bins is also mega scum imo.

[TPFKAP]

also i see zero reason to doubt a survivor claim from the canit slot lmao?

i'm certain it's not scum (or scum with rb rather) so idrc if he's town fakeclaiming or telling the truth.

okay fine i just wanted it on record that you super duper believe RC so i can lynch you if your slot ever utters the word multiball

why would it be multiball if gr's flip just said he was mafia

usually theres some indication (like X mafia or something unrelated to traditional mafia) that theres another team but the only possibility of like a werewolf team or something makes any sense but i have zero clue what that would have to do with flavor. singleball with survivors makes more sense to me atm

pedit: same gerry

also raybells if thats the case why are you still voting for me lmao

Lycan, here's what I'm going to do. I am going to keep giving my "shotty" reads and play the way I feel I should.

However, I acknowledge that I may be unable to read this game because of all the lying. The only thing I can see right now is narna slot is trying really Fucking hard to protect hebi, while RC and Trans are striking a scum/ind deal.

Ignoring all that, the scummiest player to me would be grapes.


Now that I've got the shit reads out, here's what I'm gonna do, campfire. I'm gonna sheep you until you decide it's time for me to swing or you turn out scum. I think you are town, though, and I need someone to lean on.

I'll full claim if you want me to, but my opinion is it would be better to not.

Vote: arcade pals

how about instead of lazily sheeping people you supposedly scumread you actually substantiate your controversial reads

That's what I've been trying to do, and it's not working.
So im doing this now.

[TPFKAP]

Luv is a bad man.
This is known.
Another shit read of mine.

[TPFKAP]

PS GONK so far I'm batting 1000 on the doctor is mafia foolproof shush?

[TPFKAP]

Don't forget Radient and Spiffeh are scum together.

/shitreads

[TPFKAP]

I did a quick iso on bins to try and find a reason not to lynch her and it only made me wanna lynch her more. sorry

Happens every time I do it too

[TPFKAP]

Don't forget Radient and Spiffeh are scum together.

/shitreads

never forget the time spiffeh demanded narna to trueclaim and later "assumed" it was fact after pushing against game replacement wagon

you know

the exact scenario that should have a dead doctor n1

yes, it's strange that transcend is still alive. i'm assuming scum thought zach was a higher priority for ~~reasons~~

I'm not following this. Spiffeh and Narnia are in separate scrum groups.

[TPFKAP]

No I'm not calling everyone in the game dummy. No, I'm not calling only the people who call me crummy crummy.

I am finding it hard to believe that you have understood what I have written, either willfully or as a deficit in reading comprehension.

[TPFKAP]

yes i get it you think there's two scum doctors and two scum groups. that's why i think you aren't reading the game properly

Teach me senpai.

[TPFKAP]

Why should I believe the other doc claim?

[TPFKAP]

people who think it's multiball: show your work

Just look at all the obvious clusters of scum players, they can't all be in the same group.

[TPFKAP]

K here's my gut on everyone.

gonkbadoop taskmaster: probably town.
SlySly: role parity cop. Probably town.
hebichan: scummy. Will wagon anything.
Lycanfire: town or mastermind. Don't care which today..
Bins: scum. Basically posts only fluff and deflects sus onto others.
POWERFUL WARRIOR: scummy just for no content.
Spiffeh: scummy for not getting past the drawing gimmick. No reason to do that. Seemed preplanned.
Lil Uzi Vert: adorable. Town? Too cute to tell.
gerryoat: I like him. Protown style.
PeregrineV: should be replaced.
Arcade Pals: I don't know what a ninja is. They seemed a scmmy to me in rvs and a good while since. Less so today. Happy to lynch.
Hopkirk: I wanna say town but not enough content to tell.
torgonitoh: I get super strong townies. Good man.
Transcend: I think rc was his partner.
Carcalilly: town, I know the type.
RadiantCowbells: the only thing I believe from this guy is that he is not town aligned.
Vecna: partners with hebi. Maybe not scum partners.
TPFKAP: barely hanging on. I would get better if you guys helped me. I've been playing on and off, but mostly off, for 10 years. I'm not a noob but Jesus im not up on the meta, scumtells, slang, or even the rules! I'm sorry for jumping in to a big theme game like this. I wanted to do a newbie game first, but I couldn't figure out how to do it with an experienced account. I've always thought meta gaming was total shit, but go read my wiki at porkens. I'm just trying to figure out how to play again, that's why I'm being so shitty. Also, I'm not good at being mean, so I'm just going toto stop and be nice. Just know that if you call me names or say I'm bad, or won't explain something to me, it hurts my feelings. And then I lash out. And I get in trouble, but I feel like you guys all call each other horrible names and you let each other do that. I don't know you guys, but I'm just trying to do as you do. But I'm bad at it, so I'm gonna stop.
grapes: scrum, I think. Started the Hebi wagon, held on to l-1, then jumped off without a claim.

Also, there was someone who jumped off the hebi wagon yesterday at l-1 for no reason I think. Don't remember who.

[TPFKAP]

Why should I believe the other doc claim?

more pertinent question is why does an alt!scum!doc cc or out when game replacement claims

Why would any doc?

[TPFKAP]

Because you guys wouldn't fucking lynch him

Oh. Well, yeah that makes sense.

[TPFKAP]

full extent of the carcalilly wagon

The rules indicate that Spiffeh will be prodded after 72 hours of inactivity, so we cannot prod him. If there is an instance of one player repeatedly prod-dodging, they may be replaced.

Votecount 1.18

Carcalilly (7)- Spiffeh, Game Replacement, torgonitoh, Gorkington, Zachstralkita, Transcend, Bins
Arcade Pals (5)- Lycanfire, Hopkirk, gonkbadoop taskmaster, SlySly, Lil Uzi Vert
TPFKAP (4)- Arcade Pals, POWERFUL WARRIOR, grapes, hebichan
Game Replacement (3)- Narna, TPFKAP, Carcalilly
hebichan (1)- gerryoat

Not Voting (1)- PeregrineV

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-20 15:35:35)

No that vote count was super late

[TPFKAP]

Gorkington replaces Can It.

Votecount 1.14

Carcalilly (7)- grapes, Bins, Zachstralkita, hebichan, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington
Arcade Pals (5)- Lycanfire, Hopkirk, Lil Uzi Vert, gonkbadoop taskmaster, TPFKAP
Game Replacement (4)- torgonitoh, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Narna, Transcend
hebichan (2)- SlySly, gerryoat
grapes (1)- Carcalilly
Lil Uzi Vert (1)- Arcade Pals

Not Voting (1)- PeregrineV

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-20 15:35:35)

viewtopic.php?p=9510217#p9510217 hebi unvotes Carca (L-6)
viewtopic.php?p=9510259#p9510259 hebi votes for Arcade
viewtopic.php?p=9510491#p9510491 Zach votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9510514#p9510514 Zach votes for Carca (L-6)
viewtopic.php?p=9510729#p9510729 Carc votes for Zach
viewtopic.php?p=9510778#p9510778 Uzi votes for Carc (L-5)
viewtopic.php?p=9510780#p9510780 Tran votes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510790#p9510790 Tran votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9510818#p9510818 Tran votes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510871#p9510871 Tran revotes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9510877#p9510877 Zach unvotes Carc (L-5)
viewtopic.php?p=9511015#p9511015 Tran revotes for Carc (L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9511032#p9511032 torgon votes for Carc (L-3)
viewtopic.php?p=9511208#p9511208 hebi votes for Carc (L-2)
viewtopic.php?p=9511288#p9511288 Zach votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511381#p9511381 Zach votes for Carc (L-1)
viewtopic.php?p=9511412#p9511412 Arcade revotes Lol Uzi Vert
viewtopic.php?p=9511417#p9511417 Arcade votes for Lycanfire
viewtopic.php?p=9511419#p9511419 Arcade votes for POWERFUL
viewtopic.php?p=9511632#p9511632 TPFKAP votes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511653#p9511653 POWERFUL revotes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511743#p9511743 Tran votes for Game (L-10) (Carc at L-2)
viewtopic.php?p=9511941#p9511941 Arcade votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9511943#p9511943 Narna revotes for Game
viewtopic.php?p=9511944#p9511944 Uzi votes for TPFKAP (Carc at L-3)
viewtopic.php?p=9511954#p9511954 POWERFUL votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9511973#p9511973 grapes votes for TPFKAP (Carc at L-4)
viewtopic.php?p=9512001#p9512001 Carc votes for TPFKAP
viewtopic.php?p=9512068#p9512068 Carc unvotes
viewtopic.php?p=9512282#p9512282 SlySly votes for Arcade
viewtopic.php?p=9512329#p9512329 Tran votes for TPFKAP

Carcalilly (7)- Bins, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington, Zachstralkita, hebichan, torgonitoh
TPFKAP (5) - Transcend, grapes, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Lil Uzi Vert, Arcade Pals
Arcade Pals (4)- Lycanfire, Hopkirk, gonkbadoop taskmaster, SlySly
Game Replacement (2)- Narna, TPFKAP
hebichan (1) - gerryoat


Not Voting (1)- PeregrineV, Carcalilly

[TPFKAP]

OH wait, I counted wrong. Uh oh...