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[TwoInAMillion]

Have to agree with Eddie. Although I am new to the game so if someone can point out the important information I'd appreciate it.

Vote: una

[TwoInAMillion]

ah didn't see the unvote.

unvote

[TwoInAMillion]

Sunlit probably town

man im bad at this game

Also full disclosure I have no idea how to inject myself into banter when I don't know anyone, so until I have something game-centric to discuss Imma be awkward af.

This is scum
VOTE: sunlit

I don't appreciate the way you marked SD as scum, because I don't know anyone yet either, so I feel awkward too..

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond because oh my gush, Dunker already found one?!?

yeah i'm really good at this game aren't i?

Sunlit probably town

man im bad at this game

agreed

xD

im just joking dont get mad lol

pedit: and by meta. I think dunkers gets scumread by page 3 every game. he has an unusual skill

i'm actually really good at getting scumread believe it or not

Is the consensus that the Mulch lynch was scum driven or town driven?

[TwoInAMillion]

Usually when there is a scum lynch scum try and jump on at the last minute to appear town right?

[TwoInAMillion]

I am against a massclaim, don't want to out power roles.

[TwoInAMillion]

Usually when there is a scum lynch scum try and jump on at the last minute to appear town right?

What are you referring to?

Scum lynches like my post says

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch, the only scum lynch of the game.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am thinking of voting Eddie. The massclaim request is scummy. Is there any reason I shouldn't vote him?

[TwoInAMillion]

I am thinking of voting Eddie. The massclaim request is scummy. Is there any reason I shouldn't vote him?

well dunkers was hammered so day is gonna end

I guess my vote doesn't matter much. But I suspect dunkers is town cause this is a bad wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

Vote: Eddie Cane

For being on both town wagons.

[TwoInAMillion]

There's no way a kill and an investigation were both blocked unless they both targeted Eddie.

[TwoInAMillion]

Eddie's claim seems very circumstancial.

[TwoInAMillion]

frog/Eddie/rb slot confirmed town

Flavor Leaf confirmed scum

Now we are looking in Una, Paul, thor, wave, GR

How is flavor confirmed scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't see mod meta as a valid defense at this point, Eddie. The fact is you voted town twice. I would need something pretty concrete to vote FL over you.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't see mod meta as a valid defense at this point, Eddie. The fact is you voted town twice. I would need something pretty concrete to vote FL over you.

when the fuck did i mention mod meta

When you were speculating on the setup.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch Lynch: MarioManiac4, rb, Eddie Cane, skitter30, NotTheRealPaul, Dunkerdoodles, Mulch
Dunker Lynch: Thor665, wavemode, Eddie Cane, NotTheRealPaul, Game Replacement, Flavor Leaf

Only Eddie and NtRP were on both town lynches.

[TwoInAMillion]

Is it possible there are only 2 Scum since there was a SK? 3 Scum+SK seems overpowered.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch Lynch: MarioManiac4, rb, Eddie Cane, skitter30, NotTheRealPaul, Dunkerdoodles, Mulch
Dunker Lynch: Thor665, wavemode, Eddie Cane, NotTheRealPaul, Game Replacement, Flavor Leaf

Only Eddie and NtRP were on both town lynches.

Wagons are not always the answer, be aware

The Dunker wagon seems more suspect than the Mulch wagon to me. But you have to be held accountable for your votes.

[TwoInAMillion]

But you have to be held accountable for your votes.

I agree, but mistaken town is not scum

I don't like Eddie's logic following his wagon. Very weak compared to the vote evidence.

[TwoInAMillion]

Can someone put all the NA claims and role claims onto one page?

[TwoInAMillion]

So Frog got a result on N1 even though it should have been blocked by FL. That means there's a lie in one of those two results.

[TwoInAMillion]

I guess the question is would scumEddie protect a townie to try and frame them later or would he definately protect scum. Has Eddie been a scum doctor in any other games?

[TwoInAMillion]

I guess the question is would scumEddie protect a townie to try and frame them later or would he definately protect scum. Has Eddie been a scum doctor in any other games?

Is this a slip?

I feel like this is a slip

How so?

[TwoInAMillion]

I did a search for "Eddie Cane" and "doctor" and no role results.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hey, NTRP, since you were on two town wagons, I think you should claim.

[TwoInAMillion]

Vote: wavemode

He has been laying low for the most part not not really contributing to scumhunting. Also worried about NTRP.

Eddie seems obvscum, other than that his night actions don't make sense for scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Or we could lynch NTRP and get one more round of night actions in to sort out the Eddie/FL mess.

[TwoInAMillion]

We can ask him not to block you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Or we could lynch NTRP and get one more round of night actions in to sort out the Eddie/FL mess.

In what world does this make sense or come from a town mindset

Because I still don't see that Eddie is confscum, and I would hate to lose a town doctor.

[TwoInAMillion]

And why are you voting me

Because you have not done anything to help catch scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't quicklynch yesterday, which is what you are about to do today. Wave and NTRP's votes on this wagon make me very nervous.

[TwoInAMillion]

Okay fine, I am not totally convinced, but convinced enough.

Vote: Eddie

[TwoInAMillion]

The whole voted on both town wagons thing.

[TwoInAMillion]

Doesn't do much to inspire confidence though.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't believe me claiming is necessary for a succesfull lynch today.

[TwoInAMillion]

I will say that my role has no effect on the current discussion.

[TwoInAMillion]

I just said my role has no effect on the discussion. I have no night action information either.

[TwoInAMillion]

Since you said please.

Unvote

But Eddie needs to be the lynch today.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well, if he is scum that basically makes FL conftown, which is a big step forward.

[TwoInAMillion]

I already did. My role has nothing to do with Eddie/FL. Other than that there is no reason for me to claim. Una is being an idiot(or scum trying to rolefish).

[TwoInAMillion]

There's no knowledge to be gained from me claiming.

Claiming only benefits scum because it gives them more role knowledge.

[TwoInAMillion]

THERE...IS...NO...KNOWLEDGE...TO...BE...GAINED...FROM...ME...CLAIMING.

[TwoInAMillion]

Correct.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nothing that benefits town.

[TwoInAMillion]

I have no intentions of claiming as it will help only scum. And I will not be bullied into doing so.

[TwoInAMillion]

There are no votes on me, and I am almost universally read as town so that is rather false pressure. You need to take me for my word that claiming would not help town and move past it.

[TwoInAMillion]

It will take more than that. And it is still wrong.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yes

[TwoInAMillion]

A full claim is not coming, and I'm not voting for twoina

Anyone else want to claim before I vote Eddie?

Voting Eddie is a bigger mistake than voting TiaM until he claims a strong PR, OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.
Because after that we don't have to wonder whether we take a risk or not.

Why are you more eager to lynch Eddie than Flavor Leaf by the way?
I was put at totally 50/50 between them after their claims, I had no reason to doubt either above the other.

Flavor has a better voting history.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am vanilla townie, I was hoping to deflect a night kill but that won't happen now I guess.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think the consensus is that Eddie and FL are 1v1, and Eddie is the preferred lynch due to voting history. There is no 100% rock hard evidence against either one. I am prepared to hammer soon, I don't see any need to drag this out longer.

[TwoInAMillion]

I claimed already

[TwoInAMillion]

Scum is Eddie NTRP and either Una or Frog, I'm thinking Una.

[TwoInAMillion]

Okay, I could go with Eddie NTRP and Frog then.

[TwoInAMillion]

vote eddie

[TwoInAMillion]

Really hate the ete from Eddie here. 95% chance he is scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's a free internet.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well, I guess now we should lynch Flavor?

Vote: FlavorLeaf

NTRP is almost confirmed scum at this point as well, not sure about Game Replacement and Frog. I think Thor and Una are town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Also, night actions.

[TwoInAMillion]

With only 4 to lynch and only 3 scum I guess I should:

unvote

[TwoInAMillion]

Thankfully I don't need Thor's permission to play the game. Nor is his opinion of me the end all be all.

Vote: Flavor Leaf

[TwoInAMillion]

Stop looking for scapegoats. You've been playing the whole game. I'm a replacement. Who is scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

If flavor was town scum could have quick lynched so obv he is scum

[TwoInAMillion]

Also I don't like flavors backpedaling on the eddie lynch. He doesn't seem very doubtful about his reasoning which heshould be if he was town and caused a mislynch. Hes foorcing his own opinions and not looking to build consensus.

[TwoInAMillion]

Http has been on every town lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

Ntrp that is.

[TwoInAMillion]

What were last night's night action results?

[TwoInAMillion]

Because either you are pushing town lynches or you have bad reasoning, and either way town shouldn't follow you.

[TwoInAMillion]

I still say Flavor and NTRP are scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think Flavor knew that Eddie was town and got him lynched on purpose and now is trying to save his skin.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think Flavor knew that Eddie was town and got him lynched on purpose and now is trying to save his skin.

He's town otherwise i would have died.
Una is shitting Scum every where. And I'm counting on your hammer yesterday being town.

How's that?

[TwoInAMillion]

Why don't we lynch NTRP then we have nothing to go on besides vote count.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why don't we lynch NTRP then we have nothing to go on besides vote count.

Because we have two players where we know for a fact one is scum so should probably lynch there for 50% accuracy even on a coin flip.
And if there's only two Mafia then NTRP is almost assuredly town.

That's what people said about Eddie and Flavor yesterday.

[TwoInAMillion]

NTRP is now omgusing me.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't see where Flavor is reaching his conclusions.

[TwoInAMillion]

What it comes down to for me is Una and Frog are providing a much worse argument than Flavor is. Even though I distrust Flavor because of day 4, I am inclined to vote with him.

[TwoInAMillion]

Can someone reitirate the night action claims on players that aren't dead? Do any of them contradict each other?

[TwoInAMillion]

What are GR's and Frog's claims again?

[TwoInAMillion]

What are GR's and Frog's claims again?

GR is a claimed odd night weak role cop, who targeted me Night 3, and got JOAT as a result. Weak means if they target scum, they die. If GR is town, that auto confirms me as town.

Frog is an Odd-Night Watcher who claimed to watch me Night 3 and nobody targeted me. I have the loyal modifier which means my actions only work if I target town. If I target scum, the action fails, thus my No Result when investigating Eddie. Frog claimed nobody targeted me after Eddie and I claimed our actions. GR countered Frog after that in his first post back. Eddie flipped town, proving from my perspective at least, that somehow I was blocked, proving that scum have some sort of role blocker and blocked me, proving that Frog lied about nobody targeting me.

Sure, this is from my bias, but that's why I'm so angry at this game. Scum have to be Frog, Una, Paul. I post my heart out. And people push everything I say away.

Two, you are conf town in my book due to you being able to win the game if you were scum already by just voting which ever side you knew wouldn't be your partners. Also, if you were scum, I feel you would definitely know the claims and whatnot.

It's quite odd to have all the roles with modifiers in them. I'm just trying to sort them out. So, GR and you(Flavor) could be scum together, fabricating your claims, or Frog could be scum with an unknown buddy.

[TwoInAMillion]

Shouldn't we be trying to figure out who is the highest probability of being scum rather than the entire scum team?

[TwoInAMillion]

And Frog was the first to vote me, so yes, they could have quick hammered. GR and Una had been posting throughout the day, and I've stated my thoughts on Paul likely actively lurking and not doing anything.

There was never a point of apparent NTRP activity until after frog had moved off to vote GR.
So...how do you rule that one out exactly? By just presuming NTRP was there and available and they all would have coordinated and it would have happened even though he wasn't in the thread for the small amount of time frog was on you?

Shouldn't we be trying to figure out who is the highest probability of being scum rather than the entire scum team?

Yes.
I have been discussing for some time that the only logical lynch options are frog or GR and currently am favoring GR.
What are your thoughts?

It seems to me there is a 50-50 chance of frog or GR being scum. Can you explain in laymans terms why you are favoring GR?

[TwoInAMillion]

Because i don't trust you that much. You pretty much led the discussion day 4.

[TwoInAMillion]

To me lynching NTRP on 3/3 town lynching almost has more of a chance to be a scum lynch than going for a 50-50 chance on Frog or GR.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think Game Replacement is the correct lynch here. Flavor Leaf is acting increasingly not town.

VOTE: Game Replacement

[TwoInAMillion]

Could the scumteam be GR/NTRP/Flavor?

[TwoInAMillion]

Yay town. Big props to Thor and u n a for figuring it out. Glad to have my first win under my belt.

[TwoInAMillion]

I may not be a pro but I don't believe I am a newbie. I'm less likely to listen to advice from players that are insulting me for being newish. I did predict the scumteam correctly and got Night killed for it, however. I think I am improving nut still have work to improve on.

[TwoInAMillion]

Lol @ 757 in the mt

[TwoInAMillion]

Flavor did a good job looking town. I am going to be very skeptical of him in future games no matter what, I think.