Honestly? Pretty badIn post 1112, Mulch wrote:Frog, how does it feel replacing into a scum slot?
I hope you stay in the game so that nobody else gets the experience
Honestly? Pretty badIn post 1112, Mulch wrote:Frog, how does it feel replacing into a scum slot?
rb can have some town points for stating exactly what I am thinking at this stage in my read through the game. Enjoying the early game so far. NotTheRealPaul and Dunkerdoodles have some fun banter. Ausuka is probably too serious, too soon, however. skitter30's content immediately after Ausuka's Dunker vote I like very much. Eddie Cane looks like he is lurking. Flavor Leaf with the Paul vote out of nowhere.In post 61, rb wrote:Sunlit probably town
rb are we the same person or something
Alright maybe notIn post 157, rb wrote: this [ciara24] is scum #3
Someone else after my mindIn post 164, UnaBombaH wrote:We are not deep into the game, but we shouldnt keep playing RVS either.
Beats meIn post 171, Eddie Cane wrote:why is nobody scumreading me
Rolefish much?In post 174, Ausuka wrote:@Perfect Fifth; Why would you claim PR at this point in the game?
Any chance you could provide objective reads of yourself? I played a game with you last year where you were scum and I was town, and I had early suspicions of you. I have early suspicions of you here, too, but I wonder if that is tonal rather than substantial.In post 182, Thor665 wrote:Vote: Flavor Leaf
Since people are complaining that we're making mountains of molehills, let's just speed lynch someone for reactions so we have stuff to analyze.
Any other problems I can solve?
Really getting sick of EddieIn post 273, Eddie Cane wrote:my 7th consecutive post
I have had difficulty sorting wavemode so far, but I like this post individually and within the discussion of which it is part. Thor is also coming out nicely. Seems like some healthy town interaction.In post 314, wavemode wrote:Uh, this doesn't really track logically. Yes, it's unlikely for wagons to form on scum quickly, but that's not my only reason for thinking FL is town. That would be foolish. I think he's town because I don't scumread his actions. Conversely, I wouldn't flip around my scumread on SD simply because people are agreeing with me.
And then Eddie votes Thor at the moment I begin to lean town on him.
Thor can go back down to neutral for this comment. Ages until deadline, and already advocating compromise wagons. Plenty to discuss without losing conviction. Surely wagons with no feeling behind them are less useful than wagons which are more informed by reasoning?In post 405, Thor665 wrote:We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.
In post 411, UnaBombaH wrote:UnaBombaH monologues, part 1.
I like the analysis, though less sure about the conclusions on Sunlit DiamondIn post 418, UnaBombaH wrote:UnaBombaH monologues, part 2.
Can you not think of a single situation in which waiting for somebody else to engage with faulty arguments might be useful?In post 434, Thor665 wrote:Because a lie/misrep doesn't require a valid answer from the person being lied about/misrepped but does require it from the person doing the lie/misrep.
What, I'm supposed to wait for someone else to call it a lie/misrep before I can question it?
That makes no sense - why would that help?
That's half your fault, there's plenty going on. Subsequent interaction with Eddie makes both look worse in my opinion. I will admit that I have skipped some of the lengthier posts. Ausuku and Flavor Leaf return and make me wonder which one of these four players is townIn post 435, Thor665 wrote:This is empty blather.
Like, what?In post 501, Flavor Leaf wrote:And yeah, Unabombh's probably scum with her flip flop.
On board with a lot of skitter's content after the catch-up post, both in terms of thought process, comprehension, and conclusions. I am quite happy to have her as a secure townread, at least for now.In post 498, skitter30 wrote:(Apologies in advance, I have a tendency to wall).
Something about this post pings me. I might return to it later to see why my gut doesn't like it.In post 548, Sunlit Diamond wrote:*drops out of the sky*
Alright, this is novel. Can I confirm whether your read forming process was something you were intending to alter as an alt, or was it only style you wished to experiment with? I would still like this answered having just read post #580In post 557, Ausuka wrote:uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.
Sunlit Diamond wagon looking a little bit more explicable now, but still no explanation
Ciara really does not deserve some of the earlier suspicionIn post 598, Ciara24 wrote:wavemode why are you voting for sunlit
Also is it cool if I just completely ignore Eddie and Thor because all the anger is giving me a headache
What? Would have been nice to know your reasoning at the timeIn post 608, Thor665 wrote:Because [Ciara24 is] scum.
GET OUT OF MY HEADIn post 615, rb wrote:Holy fuck thor is so scum LMAO
GET OUT OF MY HEADIn post 627, skitter30 wrote:Eddie has become ???? cuz I can't figure out what he's doing.
Unfortunately this will not happen, but I promise I will be fully caught up by the end of tomorrow.In post 1310, frog wrote:Polite request that Mulch is not hammered before I have fully caught up, please. I should have the whole game up to this point read by the end of the day.
um...?In post 1581, MarioManiac4 wrote:frog
u m . . . ?
I don't have a 'rest of' my catch-up post, but you can have my readsIn post 1592, Eddie Cane wrote:mind posting the rest of your catchup with reads? I was not overly impressed with the first part though it wasn't irredeemableIn post 1585, frog wrote:Caught up during the night, if anyone wants opinions on anything, just ask.
VOTE: thor
Well, sorry, but if you think like that, you really should be voting me. I will not be revealing anything in a situation like this. This is some pretty bad rolefishingIn post 1601, MarioManiac4 wrote:because you not dying is weird and indicative of frog!scum.
I read the thread and formed opinions, I did not compose posts like my earlier twoIn post 1613, rb wrote:Why do you not have a rest of catchup when you were apparently catching up further?
Sure, although briefly and with generalisationsIn post 1624, Eddie Cane wrote:justify your reads if you didn't do a. catch up at least. you haven't posted anything recently and we need to see why these are your reads
Why are you so anxious about the setup?In post 1690, UnaBombaH wrote:Yes, I have been studying this extensively, and for example, I'm very disturbed by the fact that now anyone could be bulletproof, and yet not town.
If I understood correctly my research on wiki, it might even be more common on not-town-players in Normal games..?
OK, then let me ask a slightly different question: how strong is your townread of rb?In post 1718, Eddie Cane wrote:no.In post 1689, frog wrote:Eddie Cane, can you explain your read of rb in detail please
Of course bad and anti-town does not mean scum, but since so much of what is commonly called scummy does not indicate scum, I cannot agree that this criticism undermines my read. You may as well apply it to everyone and everything and deflate every read that way. I think your words are deliberately misdirective, and I will never believe that you are just discussing theory, because I do not think that there is a universal way to play mafia. Theory is contingent on alignment, role, gamestate, and player. What about DunkerDoodles makes him scum, as opposed to anti-town or bad?In post 1740, Thor665 wrote:Even if I did exactly those things (woooosh!) how does that suggest scum intent?
At best you're describing bad play there, not scum play, what am I missing?
Also, why no VCA consideration? You have me and Eddie as top scum candidates and...nothing else in that analysis about how that seems unlikely (or, I suppose, explanation for why it is)?
I don't think anyone, including scum, doesn't feel the same. No reason why it prevents us from being confident in our interactions thoughIn post 1714, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm only anxious about the setup, because I feel like a small blind fish swimming with bigger..things..in the water.
And the worst thing is, I don't know whether they are sharks/whales/frogs...so I'm just an anxious n00b.
Why are we talking so much about vigilantes? I understand that some of us have some ideas about what did and should have happened last night, but why is any of this speculation useful?In post 1744, Flavor Leaf wrote:Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.
Whoa, do not know what happened with that sentence. Apologies.In post 1864, frog wrote:Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you
OK, thanks, that's helpful.In post 1869, Eddie Cane wrote:strongish. not lock town but unless certain things happen I won't be voting him
*Interesting theory stuff that might be a better conversation outside of the gameIn post 1871, Thor665 wrote:
I actually do - it's why I say most reads are inherently bad.
Does it make sense to call them bad if such a great proportion of reads satisfy the word? Wrong is not necessarily bad*
I agree there is no universal way AND HAVE NEVER SAID THERE IS.
So how am I being misdirective exactly?
Misdirective in the sense that your back-and-forths with, say, rb and Eddie Cane did not go anywhere productive. The theory point was separate
My town reads and the timing of his vote.
On the Mulch wagon?
No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
Are you calling Eddie really terrible, or are you saying that was good play for scumbuddies?
Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.
TownIn post 1938, rb wrote:everyone states their read on wavemode in their next post - scum or town.
In post 1630, Eddie Cane wrote:rb is town for other reasons
In post 1718, Eddie Cane wrote:no.In post 1689, frog wrote:Eddie Cane, can you explain your read of rb in detail please
In post 1869, Eddie Cane wrote:strongish. not lock town but unless certain things happen I won't be voting him
In post 1908, Eddie Cane wrote:cause it probably means either
a) we have a vig who killed SD, rb was shot and healed
b) scum has rb townreading them and is therefore not concerned enough to push or kill him
c) rb is just scum
b is probably most likely.
Alright, Eddie, I would like to talk.In post 1960, Eddie Cane wrote:nah, I got the nka I needed. scum!rb would've killed me last night almost for sure I think, and any further nights are not gonna help. now rb isn't dying if we have a doc because he's universally townread and there is no other doc worthy player right now and if we don't have a doc we don't have a vig and sd was a scum kill. wifom city bitch. this nka is for you frog :*
Or I am town and I think you are scum?In post 2099, Eddie Cane wrote:"you know more than you're letting on" is a leading question. the only outside sources of info are scum and pr. you're attempting to push me into a corner and force my pr claim because as scum you know I'm town. 2096 evem says it, you think im a pr and you want me to claim. jokes on you because there's no outside info there and I'm not someone some random scumfuck is going to poorly pressure into claiming.
wavemode is my shakiest townread, and the lean comes from a small number of posts I like and the fact that I think four other players are scummier than they are (although Flavor Leaf might be promoted soon). You aren't exactly asking their best advocate to defend them, and I haven't even yet managed to read all of rb's case post.In post 2111, Eddie Cane wrote:frog, I asked you to justify town wave because your reads are backwards and you manage to have him as town. show me that. you have the power prevent a mislych. use it.
I mean, it isn't RVS and we don't want to go back thereIn post 2128, MarioManiac4 wrote:Wait what I was memeing do I have to take this game seriously
Alright, I'm glad I didn't expend the effortIn post 2175, Eddie Cane wrote:thor, I have a reason to believe wave might be town. who should I vote if I change votes?
He's asking you for a scumread you both agree on, how do you not see thatIn post 2184, Thor665 wrote:Or are we just jerking you off here?
It feels like a jerk job going nowhere fast.
Clearly my tone did not come across as I intended. My comment was not intended as shade, or 'poking', or whatever; I just perceived that this was a chance for some co-operation with a slot you read as town (am I correct here?) which I thought you dismissed prematurely. Where you saw 'theoreticals', I thought that was his way of asking for another scumread that you might have been able to discuss. Nothing more. I cannot predict what might have or might yet come of it, but surely discussing information and reads is good? It at least had theIn post 2191, Thor665 wrote:I see that I provided info I had already given that he didn't care about to discuss.
I see that instead of discussing my scum read he instead decided to debate theoreticals.
I see that upon receipt of theoreticals he did nothing with them.
I see that it has, thus far, been exactly a jerk for nothing.
Why, what progress do you see him making with my answers?
I'll wait.
I expect this conversation to be dropped like a wet blanket because you're scum empty poking me for no purpose over something that you're not even ascribing a tell to and that I've thus far been proven correct in predicting - please feel free to thrill me and take this comment anywhere thus proving me wrong. I could really use a change of pace.
In post 2215, NotTheRealPaul wrote:Eddie- Thor, Wave
Me, Wave, Skitterslot
Rb- Anyone but una and mm4
Wave- mm4, paul, rb
skitterslot -sheeping rb currently
mm4 - wave, maybe more?
una- ?
fl- ?
alright so who can we agree on?
Wow, guess I am that forgettableIn post 2226, MarioManiac4 wrote:would agree to lynch these ppl
Eddie Cane
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles
Game Replacement
wavemode
Thor665
actively want to lynch these ppl
wavemode
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles
vedith is probably capable of obvtowning if town so he needs to go do that
am finding it progressively harder to have fun in this game
Curious to know this as wellIn post 2268, Game Replacement wrote:In post 2267, frog wrote:tfw Vedith has a greater presence in this game than I do and he is not even playing in it@MOD - Should this player be posting here?
I think it could well have been. Make town despondent by having two players argue inconsequentially and distract from discussion that might be productive. Certainly there is nothing to say they cannot be scum together.In post 2274, NotTheRealPaul wrote:u think thor vs eddie was scum theatre?
Strong residual townread from Day One and early Day Two. I will concur that their recent posting hasn't been as good, but I don't think that equates to scummy. It may well be complacency as a result of a town leader of sorts emerging.In post 2275, rb wrote:frog, why is MM4 off table for you?
If you're going to be contrarian to this extent, there should probably be more than a naked vote
I'm not so sure you are the qualified to make that accusation, Eddie. My postcount may be a small fraction of yours, but how many of them are irreverent one-liners? If you scumread me based on my posts not saying anything, then you're justifying my vote on you.In post 2386, Eddie Cane wrote:they don't actually say anything. and, after mulchs horrible self hammer, he gives up on them.
In post 2386, Eddie Cane wrote:hints at a scumread on mr then gives me town points...?
Come on now, you resolved that criticism at the time you read my post. I was beginning to townlean on Thor at the time in the game you voted for him. It seems you understood that earlier; why not now, when you have a need to misrep? Oh, sorry, seems that I answered my own questionIn post 1398, Eddie Cane wrote:never mind that at the end of that post you implied a strong scumread
... So now you don't want the catch-up. Scum if I do write the catch-up, scum if I don't. You're making premises for a chosen conclusion. I agree that the read post is cursory, I stated as much at the beginning. That does not, however, mean it is fluff. You had the opportunity to use it as a vehicle for elaboration. Besides, why do you think I should be providing massively detailed reads lists as a matter of course when you can't even be bothered to properly ISO one player? Let's call it 'fluff'. It's far more complete and informative than any of your posts.In post 2386, Eddie Cane wrote:then he gives up on posting relevant stuff and posts thst we can ask about his catchuo. it wss bad to begin with, not a big loss.y the issue is his reads. that whole explanation post is fluff. idk. i don't have the energy to do a pbpa.
Welcome to misrep city, population: ThorIn post 2430, Thor665 wrote:Hell, if #2 is true, why is his scum list only 2 players long, couldn't all of his other town reads be fake also?
In post 2465, Thor665 wrote:@Mario - I will note another time of frog AGREEING with my understanding of what he is saying.In post 1873, frog wrote:Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.
I will note that I don't think he has justified how we make sense as partners in any way at all, but that's another matter.
So you're arguing a stance that both I *AND* frog disagree with.
Are you not reading frog?
Whassup here?
Why the dance?
There were a fair few posts about this, so please bring up anything I do not respond to, but to clarify, here is my position:In post 2473, Thor665 wrote:Things went very quiet, so I'll even show my hand and admit all I really want is an admission that frog is peddling a scum team that h is ducking explaining how they work, while being aware there are issues with them being a team, which is kind of a big deal considering he's peddling a team.
It's actually the core of my frog issue, frankly.
So maybe "all" I'm hoping for is a total reverse from anyone town reading frog, but...hey.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? In order:In post 2480, Eddie Cane wrote:irrelevant bullshit level: 10
saying I'm doing the same things as you and I can't scumread you for themis admitting you're being a scumfuck because I'm intentionally being scummy. good point! and being a hypocrite means jack shit in mafia, I don't care if I shitpost, shitposting and posting one liners isn't the same as attempting to make a constructive catch up and flat our failing because you aren't experienced enough to fake a real catch up. i have lots of posts, you having less doesn't make you scum, but you're attempting to look contributing while doing nothing. your catchup offered nothing productive to the thread as does the test of your content.
that's not what a misrep is, nice buzzwording though.you already acknowledged it was a valid point by saying you answered it earlierso don't try and play the misrep card. i didn't "understand" it, I stopped commenting on it because there were bigger fish to fry. never mind how hard you're peddling me and thor as your strongest scum reads when anyone who isn't a squawking cactus can tell we almost certainly aren't partners. lolz. and advice for the future: next time just fake a 4th scumread so it isn't blatantly obvious you're scum faking a team read and confbiasing it to fit.
I never said I don't want the catchup.show me where I said that. you wanna talk about misrepping? you just openly did it. your catchup was awful, that doesn't even close to equate to the bullshit you're trying to pedal. i never said "scum if you do, scum if you don't" in any world. losing another 30 pages of horrible catchup isn't a big loss, which is true. random snips at random comments followed by disconnected reads is not a good catchup.I've isod lots of players btw, so idk where that line comes from, but sure, keep trying to discredit me. it's not "complete and informative"... scratch that. it's informative. reporting on information instead of analyzing. hey Thor, found a wiki tell for us to use! you said it yourself, it's informative, it's not analytical and stating things about a bunch of people IS fluff.
P-edit: you're getting lynched today.
I do not believe it to be likely thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative.In post 2497, MarioManiac4 wrote:@Frog; Do you believe it to be likely Thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative or not?
This might surprise you, but I am not! After yesterday and last night, there are a few things I have to reconsider. More forthcomingIn post 2692, Eddie Cane wrote:seriously, still tunnelling me? if so any new opinions?
During Night 2 I reassessed where I was in relation to the gamestate and the game, and came to the conclusion that there is a substantial chance that I have very badly misinterpreted your play. I now think the two of us should form a townbloc, as strange as that sounds given yesterday's vitriol.In post 2699, frog wrote:This might surprise you, but I am not! After yesterday and last night, there are a few things I have to reconsider. More forthcomingIn post 2692, Eddie Cane wrote:seriously, still tunnelling me? if so any new opinions?
Will your claim help us understand what has been happening the previous few nights? If yes, your claim would be valued, as far too many players have been engaging in night analysis for them all to be scum.In post 2732, Dunkerdoodles wrote:ok, i see a wagon forming on me so i'm going to claim PR. i can fullclaim if i need to, it doesn't impact my role that much being on outed PR so yeah.
does game replacement/rb make sense? game replacement's push on rb seem a bit like bussing to me.
i still think skitter was scum, rb could've been scum too but i think rb was town, but you guys are scumreading him so idk
ummmmmmmmmIn post 2736, TwoInAMillion wrote:Is the consensus that the Mulch lynch was scum driven or town driven?
Sure. Ask me anything!In post 2709, UnaBombaH wrote:I want to hear frog/GameReplacement the most for now, and see where they are going with their thoughts.
You were on the wagon?In post 2814, Eddie Cane wrote:In post 2801, frog wrote:That was a terrible wagon and everyone on it should be ashamed, even if Dunkerdoodles flips scum
So basically, every player is in your scum poolIn post 2817, Eddie Cane wrote:i voted third and mainly so dunker would actually claim. him getting 3 more votes immediately is disgusting. one of gr/flavor is probably scum with wave/thor, and third is you/una/one of the others. I'm waffling on you after rereading so idk. leaning scum but I'll try rereading later.
VOTE: Eddie CaneIn post 2816, frog wrote:I am having a very difficult time piecing anything together this game
I think it would be best to proceed as if your result was genuineIn post 2827, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm going to share, but I want people to chime in and see people potentially freak out. Also, if I was blocked by town of some sort, then my action means nothing.