Mini 1937 ~ Girls ♥ Girls 2: Mini's Apartment ~ Endgame

[camn]

Hey guys!

CLAIM: HATED

also..
VOTE: Kmd4390

[camn]

We've got our own little hangout, sorry.

orly?

[camn]

Though I have to ask are you even going to get my reference?

Even I can't tell you the odds.

[camn]

for now I'm not part of the circlejerk

~I~ want you to be!

[camn]

Prism- What would you conclude if I told you it was

all

Mastina?

[camn]

/me silently nods head.

~ Very astute, camn. ~

[camn]

Outguess the mod works sometimes?

[camn]

Too busy scheming in your scumtopic.

General bias against posting early as scum.

~ All my mod PTs are scum PTs... and I've been scheming for months! ~

[camn]

theoretically, that is.

[camn]

I'll miss you.

[camn]

Gtfo

[camn]

VOTE: Ginngie

[camn]

Camn, did you vote her for voting herself or was
another reason ?

Yes. Gin knows better.
It's a soft AtoE and its manipulative.
Town might try it in a game with a weaker playerlist, but it's tone deaf in this one.

[camn]

It doesn't matter why.
All reasons in this game at this gamestate are anti-town.

But I'll bite: Why?

[camn]

There's been a lot of random-assed readslists this game.. this one is just special because you are in it?

[camn]

I DONT think you are scared of a wagon. I think you are trying to make it SUPER CLEAR that you aren't scared of a wagon.... though I will give you that that can be a neutral impulse. Even townies want that message to be sent.

But it's a grade-school move with this playerlist, and you know better... so lets see how not scared of votes you really are

[camn]

Also get real.

"I did something scummy to see who would put a vote on me for doing something scummy"?

[camn]

Fine. You get a bropass for now. I'll sheep you for 24 hours.

UNVOTE:

ummmm
VOTE: Ginngie?

[camn]

/yawn.

~ Oh, are you bored? ~

Spoiler: NSFW!

[camn]

shoot you are right. Now I have missed my moment.

[camn]

Its not about 'caring' but about awareness.
I am sure you are AWARE of the playerlist.

[camn]

Stop being silly... your command of English is excellent.

There is a context to actions.
In a different game.. I think a player like you, AS SCUM OR TOWN, consider self-voting because it shows emotion.. it shows lack of concern over votes, or otherwise expresses a towniness to players who will read into things on that level. It is manipulative, but that is not really the worst. You as town manipulating people into overcoming thier suspicions and thinking you are town is fine, and pro-town.

BUT HERE, I think you MUST know that we would see through that shit, because you are certainly aware of the experience level of this playerlist.
So, AS TOWN, I think you would realize that the risk of that kind of attempts at manipulation is more than in a game with a different playerlist.
But AS SCUM, maybe you are a little nervous that we are just gonna catch you.. so you go for it. The possible benefit is a little greater, and outweighs the risk.

That was my calculus.
Is it correct? Maybe. Maybe not.

Would I even be talking about it if you didn't keep bringing it up?
Probably not.
I liked your subsequent responses and I am over it.

Do I love parsing posts word by word?
Not really, it's boring af.

[camn]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[camn]

but she's fooled me before

Orly?
I don't remember ever playing with you.
Is this game all alts?

[camn]

Men, women, or both?

Also.....Should we lynch Spiffeh?

~ The only correct answer is women.

(Also, there are some other options that you left out but still, women.) ~

[camn]

Hey guys! Sorry I've been quiet... I was at the beach all day.

I wont get to wordy...let's just say I agree with NoticeMeSempai.

@Caryatid: SAJ is the name of a player. A scum player in the game 'camn's revenge', replaced by Katsuki while under pressure.
There is certainly gonna be a lot more meta talk in re: that game...so you might need to look it over if you wanna keep up.
Link: viewtopic.php?t=69902

~ The beach! Omg I want to be at the beach. ~

Spoiler: ♥

[camn]

What are the things you are waiting for?

[camn]

Sheeping. Plus OMGUS.

[camn]

You're boring

Your FACE is boring.

~ Misandry.
Misandry.
Misandry. ~

Spoiler: ♥

[camn]

This feels too easy

People always say stuff like this and then go on to lose.

HEY spiffeh!
Is it tomorrow yet? Cuz I think it's time for you to start talking.
Why are you waiting for those people to post?
What happens when they do?
Let's see your hand. You have been making promises. Now I want answers.


@heartless...there was a nancy-game...girls/girls PART 1. This is now part 2- Mina's apartment.

~ Mini's Apartment. Mina is great but she isn't my girlfriend and this game isn't for her. ~

[camn]

Sorry, Nance. Auto-correct!

~ I will forgive you this time. ~

[camn]

ginngie comes off pretty calm and collected so I can only see it as a joke (doesn't come off that way at all) or a calculated attempt to accomplish something.

Agree so much. The question of course being WHAT was Gin trying to accomplish?
Now, I see town-Gin in a lot of eir other posts.. so I am not hanging a total scumread on this.. but it certainly is hanging around in the back of my head.

However... Prism might be right here:

Specifically, where I think camn went wrong in #182 is that I think she got them mixed up.

We will see. I certainly would rather see a D1 lynch on Spiffeh right now than on Gin.

[camn]

I don't like the.. like fake "I have something to do.. but I am waiting for CERTAIN CONDITIONS" thing.
What is that? And then the conditions... it's nothing game-related, but just 'lemme hear from Tammy and TTH'?

Its more like- Im gonna lurk like crazy, and hopefully soft some nonsense so I can get away with it for a while.

[camn]

Why is it reasonable?
It seems like an arbitrary excuse to lurk, and I would bet $1 he doesn't actually have shiz to say after they 'weigh in', which, especially considering they are both HALVES OF A HYDRA. It may or may not ever happen.. or maybe already has happened... and we don't even get to know.

SO, like, wtf.

[camn]

If that's from scum, that's a surprisingly (and pointlessly) ballsy move.

Unless they are partners, that is... right?

[camn]

I obviously don't. But YOU should, no?

[camn]

OK then.

[camn]

Lets see it, hotshot.

[camn]

I actually do think Ginngie is scum now but that happened way after the self which I dont care about

Do tell?

[camn]

HEY spiffeh!
Is it tomorrow yet? Cuz I think it's time for you to start talking.
Why are you waiting for those people to post?
What happens when they do?

[camn]

That's it? You are just trying to get a townread and 'stay grounded'??
Thats what all this buildup is about?

I'm waiting for certain things to occur that haven't yet

Update: the things I'm waiting for still haven't happened.

Anyone wanna guess what they are?

What are the things you are waiting for?

For Tammy and TTH to post

What happens when they do?

I am also able to easily identify when both of them are town and they are usually priority sorts.

THAT IS IT???
What a let-down.
This is like that time I went to Tokyo Disneyland. I thought it would be so next-level alien.. but it was just fucking shitty Disneyland.

[camn]

Fyi, you guys are post exploding right when I'm going to bed
See you in 10 hours?

[camn]

listen people- none of you are doing Hydras right.

A Hydra should like an Alt.... you have to BE THE HYDRA.
You cant just be IN a hydra, but post as yourself.... cuz then camn is constantly opening up the 1st post to check who tf is talking, who tf they are talking about, and what tf is going on.
Add that to the actual alts and I am losing it.

But if you are gonna be like that, can you'all put your Hydra-Partner's names in your Sigs?

On a separate note, I can't see that anything notable has happened since I went to bed.. except kmd is the grown up here.

Also I love the drawings.

[camn]

yup

[camn]

Why are we on about this though when it is completely NAI?

Cuz there is way more to this game than figuring out alignments.
Creating an environment to actually win is arguably more important.
And that environment requires an element of me knowing wtf is going on.

[camn]

But Imp.. that was not a naked display of emotion. It was snark, through and through

[camn]

As town I'm all by my lonesome lost at sea like a ship far from shore with no sail with no oar with no compass for the journey.

You need to work on your towngame, friend

[camn]

My other big take away is the more games I play the more times I'm convinced I should just jump in at about page 10.

Not a bad strategy.

[camn]

@camn I would like the bolded answered please.

Like- anything.
A Dayvig.
a day-inventor? is that real?
A reveal of some deep meta on some player's first post?

ANYTHING. Because it was YOU who was building it up.. not me. YOU who was all like: I NEED TO SEE A CERTAIN THING HAPPEN BEFORE I CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING.
Like you were post-restricted or anything.
And then its just that you wanted to get a read on them?

I didn't set you up to fail- you did.

And Yeah- I have reads.
But I am waiting for a certain thing to happen before I can possibly share them :/

Spoiler: ♥

[camn]

I think I know who you are.
But I will never tell.

[camn]

I'd like you to vote Spiffeh.

[camn]

*day four - night three is my pretty standard death night. It's uncanny really.

At least you make it that far :/

[camn]

Older souls than you have regretted letting me make LYLO...

...Some times when we were on the same team

[camn]

You brought it back up, not me.

[camn]

Spoiler:

That's it? You are just trying to get a townread and 'stay grounded'??
Thats what all this buildup is about?

I'm waiting for certain things to occur that haven't yet

Update: the things I'm waiting for still haven't happened.

Anyone wanna guess what they are?

What are the things you are waiting for?

For Tammy and TTH to post

What happens when they do?

I am also able to easily identify when both of them are town and they are usually priority sorts.

THAT IS IT???
What a let-down.
This is like that time I went to Tokyo Disneyland. I thought it would be so next-level alien.. but it was just fucking shitty Disneyland.

This is an awful post.

The reason I said "I'm waiting for stuff to happen" was because Anti said that I seemed bored. The "build-up" that you're speaking of is nonexistent.

What exactly would have been a sufficient answer to your question?

Because this post REALLY makes it seem like you were setting me up to fail. And the fact that the foundation of your scum read (beyond sheeping) seems to have been hung up in this point makes me think you were hiding behind it to justify being on my wagon.

VOTE: camn

@camn I would like the bolded answered please.

YOU brought it back up.. not me.

[camn]

You still horribly exaggerated the "build up" that barely exists

No, I quoted you directly. No exaggerations.

And you play your game, I'll play mine.
My reasons are my own, and I don't explain myself to scum.

[camn]

ur cute when you are agro.

[camn]

camn dismisses me instead of acknowledging what I'm trying to say

Spiff- you haven't come at me from an honest place all game. Since before I even posted it was all camnisscumcamnisscum. Why should I bother engaging with YOU?

The idea that

I

am somehow tunnel-persecuting

you

is laughable.

[camn]

I predict the scum will be camn, NoticeMeSenpai, and Prism

VOTE: camn

i have a secret scumread. you wanna guess who it is?

camn?

This is an awful post....
VOTE: camn

camn's post was still bad tho

Everyone else is pretty much null except for camn and Gin who are scum leans.

I don't think camn is town here.

Once again, this is garbage.

I'm sure camn will jump in here and use this to further justify her awful vote on me.

My Gin and camn reads should be pretty clear

camn has been scumclaiming with every subsequent post

[camn]

Heartless- this^^^ is Spiffeh's approach to me this game.
Him characterizing it as anything approaching productive is disingenuous.

[camn]

Here, she acts like she owes me nothing and makes no attempt to parse my other content

Additionally-
a) I

don't

own you anything at this phase of the game. You are not an asset. Yet. If you are town, you may end up being one.. but now? Nope.

b) You have no idea what my spreadsheet is parsing The fact that I am keeping things close to my vest here, day 1, is representative of two things.
1st- this game is FULL of people that can make 100-page days. I am not trying to be a part of that early on.
2nd- It's classic camn. I admit I am not much of a day-1 player.. I like to take it all in. Your example from gumball is 143 pages in. That is a wildly different gamestate than this, and me approaching Day 1 that way would just be noise.

[camn]

But seriously- dont get upset. You wanna know why I am voting you?

[camn]

PS-
ADDITIONALLY additionally, My approach to Spiff in Gumball, IIRC, was in the context of Katsuki dead-convinced he was scum, and me actually townreading Spiffeh. That was me engaging with him late-game while I was

townreading

him.. THIS is me scumreading him early game.

As an argument for me being scum- it doesn't add up. But he has pretty much said that EVERYTHING I do is because I am scum. . . so meh.

[camn]

Hey, Gin! How's things?

[camn]

Me too!
I'm on the night shift tho.

~ Oh my god really that's the worst... ~

[camn]

I want a bigger, more angry wagon.

[camn]

I forgot what they were.

Here is my lynch-pool though. For today.

VNB National Plan
Polar Vortex
MaxwellPuckett
Spiffeh, obv.

[camn]

I mean.. essentially yes. Skulls for the skull throne.

But Who?
I like Spiff as scum. But do I?
Does he deserve another chance? Am I conf-biased?

[camn]

But maybe he is right.
Maybe I am not being open-minded enough?

[camn]

Like, his frustration is palpable. I almost feel bad for him.
Is it because he is caught scum?

[camn]

And I know, nancy.. I ~DO~ consider myself pretty open-minded. ifyouknowhatimean.

[camn]

im not scrrd

[camn]

Forced how?

[camn]

Christ that's like Katsuki-scum 101.

[camn]

BUT, to be fair...plenty of Townies ad-hom thier wagons to death, too.

[camn]

nancy's house, nancy's rules.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MaxwellPuckett

[camn]

I count 4! Jump on board!

[camn]

^townposting

[camn]

hey camn, quick question

for what reason is ashoka excluded from this?

I figured out his main, and I should be able to hard-read him by day 2.

[camn]

you guys... I know that

a) you are all hard-working americans and are asleep and
b) its fucking Tuesday night ffs...

But I am tired of Asia, cuz I am always drunkposting alone

[camn]

Why are you awake?
I am crying forever right now its insane

[camn]

why, you ask?
I just watched the last episode of 'Weeds"!

OMGIMDYINGOFSADNESS

[camn]

[camn]

its OK. Its a good crying.
Poor Nancy. Nancy Botwin, that is.
And, as she reflects all of us... poor our selves.

[camn]

I'VE BEEN DRINKING!

[camn]

Right now... rums and coke
Libres' de Cuba.

[camn]

I like whiskey too. I like my fashioneds with Rye though.
But its summer and I was feeling blue, so Rum it is!

Rum always makes me happy/weepy, whereas whiskey is a tossup... maybe GREAT IM AWESOME, maybe ohgodmylife... but never in between. Usually the first one though!

[camn]

ur cute when you are agro.

I've been thinking about this post since yesterday.

camn, what were you trying to accomplish here?

This is a good question.
I just thought about it for a while... and though I am not sure I was totally consciously aware of it at the time.. I think the answer is as follows:

(side note.. this is gonna be a nuanced and personal post. please take it the right way)

So, Caryatid.. I know who you are and I know you have read some of my games.
I don't know if you have read them ALL though (I wouldn't put it past you).. so I will give you a little back story.

Here, on MS, there is a certain subset of players, I call them RAGEPLAYERS in my mind. Cowbells. Fate. Katsuki. Many Others.. They have/had a culture of sometimes insane ego-battles.. and for good or ill, they often dominate games with these battles.
Historically, I hope I have stood apart from them, but I have played a NUMBER of games with them, and in that culture/timeframe..and in fact I am closely associated with Katsuki in particular. The game Spiffeh quoted for meta was a camntsuki game. And I may, in my heart, have added to some of that anger-play in the past. Part of my partnership with Kats was to learn to play that way, and to deal with people who play that way without getting smashed to dust.

That said- I don't love that kind of play. (I never have.. which part of why camntsuki was born.) I feel like it is representative of something very male-manipulative, and reflective of the real world in many ways, especially when it comes to gender relations. In real life, men wouldnt speak to each other like this.. because fist-fights and murder would ensue. But they would talk to US this way.. and many times we would simply capitulate. OR we DO talk back... and fist-fights and murder ensue, only we never win.
This is also true, historically, here on ms.net. Often the men involved can handle the purifying flame of CAPSRAGE and hate.. and some of us (not all!) but some, we don't handle it well. We stop playing. we replace out. whatever. And almost always the game sucks.

ANyway- enter post 837

I like Spiffeh. But when I see signs of escalation into nonsense-land:

Spoiler: like these

this is garbage.

....use this to further justify her awful vote on me.

YES BECAUSE THE BULLSHIT REASON YOU HAVE FOR REMAINING ON MY WAGON WAS AWFUL AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET AWAY WITH IT?

playerlist really shouldn't be amateur hour

I have a couple options.
1) I can, of course, egg him on. I could turn that into a total meltdown- but I don't think it is a good time for that, in this game. As above.. I don't know if, personally, I am in a place where I EVER think it is a good time anymore... but I admit there have been times when I did.
2) I can Ignore. This has an undesirable side-effect though. It sends the message that I can be bullied.. which I can't. There are no fists here, and no murder. Just the Lynch, and Spiffeh doesn't have the juice for that atm. OR...
3) I can Defuse.

My post 837 was a defusing post. I don't want to ego-battle Spiffeh right now. Maybe I don't ever. If it comes down to a 1v1, OF COURSE I will dance on his fucking grave.... but this game is young, Spiff is back in it and not lurking anymore... (the wagon accomplished that much, although I would have liked it to get to L-1)... and I think calming that shit down was the right thing to do.

So, my dear Caryatid, that is why.
And maybe, Spiff, this can give you some insight into where I am at too. Before you just go calling everything 'BAD" some more, and wondering why I am not camntsuki.

[camn]

Also..
VOTE: AHSOKA TANO

I can't disagree that this slot is fitting right into their main's scum-meta.
And regardless.. a lurkerlynch is a lurkerlynch and I am onboard with THAT

[camn]

go with the dance.

[camn]

Agree.

[camn]

Coffee then I'm witcha

[camn]

where something happened between you+

spiffeh

that carried over here or what?

No carryover-- just this game. He was somehow blaming me for not having a high level of 'engagement' with him, when he has been calling for my lynch, be it RVS or real, the entire game. Why do I wanna engage with that? But I am way past it, so meh.

this lynch pool

So a point of clarity, since I see you have slightly misinterpreted.
That is a lynch-pool... not a scum-list.
They are different to me.
Part of the reason some people have a hard time reading me is this: I suck early in the game. I KNOW I suck. so I take a pretty straightforward strategy regardless of alignment.. I try and create a gamestate where I can win. Alsmost always this means a gamestate of poeple who I know, who I can read, and whose reactions I can rely on. I want predictability in mid- and late-game.... and that is the shining northstar of my early game. (side note- That gamestate ADDITIONALLY is a state where I am ALIVE and not nightkilled. Read into that what you will!)
It is rare when I have a HARD scumread early. Mostly I have a quantum-entagled scumread on EVERYONE, along with a townread on EVERYONE. So I do that ^^.

Ahsoka

was not initially in the pool because of what I said- I am confident I will be able to read him.

That said, if he isn't going to post, it isn't worth waiting.

kmd

and why you're townreading him/his posts.

It's nothing hard.. I used to play with him a lot and he rings town. He also certainly fits into the category of people who I will be able to read, given enough material. So I am not anxious for a lynch there.

[camn]

Wanting to lynch people because you don't know them is such a garbage reason holy fuck. Like wtf is that style of play

Ha ha. I knew somebody would hate that.
Its not JUST if I know them.. if someone's Day1 play seems really responsive and logical.. they can stay.

But I CERTAINLY believe strongly that the way to win this game is to create an endgame with people I can trust.
And knowing them informs that decision.

[camn]

And settle down- its not like I am raging for your lynch.
I just.. would go along with it

[camn]

But now I who was in the game am not in it.

Also....I want this not to be true anymore. Badly.

[camn]

why, Gin?

I vacillate between thinking that's awful and thinking it's brilliant.

I do too, friend. I do too.

[camn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MaxwellPuckett

CAMN.
NO.
STAHP.

Hey!
I'm with you.
But when you aren't around I gotta play it my way.

[camn]

Not happy with this.

UNVOTE:

[camn]

Plus, if Ahsoka doesn't start acting town I'm back on that wagon for reals

[camn]

...game like this where the mod and camn are an entire page

... and to think I have intentionally tried to be not-spammy this game

VOTE: Ahsoka Tano
L-1

I love me a lurkerlynch.
And if this is the player I think it is.. I love me a scumlynch.

[camn]

@Senpai- when we can, I'll tell you who it is in our masontopic, then you can look at the flip and the votes and calculate.

[camn]

replace in as your main then.

[camn]

Yo Ahsoka, you have 3 posts to convince me not to lynch you. Go go go

I'll be relevant tomorrow after a good sleep and I intend to make this a priority thread!

Okay, so what if I don't read the whole game?

I merely forget to check alts as often as I should and this game is expectedly large...

This don't track.

[camn]

the only thing you CAN do is read the thread and come up with some brilliant scumreads.

[camn]

If you mean Asoka Tano, that's the hammer.

[camn]

Oh snap pagetop

~ That's not a pagetop! ~

[camn]

Oh shit you are already hammered, outed yourself, AND are caught on your own classic scumtell!

[camn]

Unless she's a double voter, no.

Look, someone tries it every third game, you gotta play along.

[camn]

Well, well. Aristo.
This flexy deadline business needs a bit of adjusting to, I think.

[camn]

Is lurker-Aristo really your top guess for scum-Aristo?

[camn]

I mean ISNT?

[camn]

I don't even remember how I figured it out. I think it was the "dears" and the "loves". Thats so Ari

Alts are silly.
Real alts charge through the newbie queue like everyone else.....or they always get althunted.

[camn]

It's gonna require some adjustment. People should get lynched ON PURPOSE.

[camn]

I also like where Spiffeh has gotten to.
But me and Senpai will hash it out in private, if we aren't brutally murdered tonight.

[camn]

Its usually me ...so . I've been trying to scum it up a little so I can live longer?

[camn]

nancy's probably asleep

[camn]

[camn]

[camn]

Lets watch NOT work safe ones!

[camn]

[camn]

I have never, in all these years on MS.net... ever wanted to change my avatar pic until I saw this one.

[camn]

also- nancy
Who would do that?

[camn]

Omg so much happened just now.
I'm busy tonight, but I'll catch up tomorrow!

[camn]

ok. I gotta get organized here.
this is more for me than you people.. but here it is.

camn

- obv town

NoticeMeSenpai

- also town

Caryatid

- 99% town

Imperium

- I am reading town.. as always. Nacho is certainly good enough to fool us. But I think town.

At least one scum in these 3:

VNB National Plan

- this whole trifecta is bothering me

Polar Vortex

- for real..

Ginngie

- why so argumentative?

the other 1 or 2 here....

Kmd4390

- I like him as town..but I might vig him for sport if he doesn't get more into it.

Prism

- could be scum for reals

Leonshade

- coming off the lurker maxwellslot. please post lots

Spiffeh

- Improved I think. I'll hash this slot with mastina today. gameday.

[camn]

Also- open question..
was Heartless the nightkill?

[camn]

ah.. I guess so. They weren't a BODYguard.. but a Doc, yes?

[camn]

no it isn't.

[camn]

Also, you should know.. your FACE is terrible.

[camn]

That's a terrible reason to say one of us is scum, camn.

And seriously.. is "this argument seems forced and scummy" a worse reason than "They remind me of Aristophanes"?

[camn]

Ha ha, Senpai, I just figured it out.

[camn]

Oh, also- ima get in on that.

VOTE: Polar Vortex

[camn]

I'm at the bottom of the pile?

You are third from the bottom, silly.

[camn]

What has happened to this game? Usually I wake up and there is mad drama.

Where is everyone?

~ We're playing hide and seek and you're not invited. ~

[camn]

Boo. Who should we definitely Lynch?
Let's pretend that I, camn, was the only needed vote? Who should it me?

[camn]

Be, not me. Gawd.

[camn]

That's just str8 lurkerhunting tho

[camn]

What about Prism? How do I feel about Prism?

[camn]

Orly? What about KMD?

[camn]

I could dig murdering that list..from the bottom up.

[camn]

Deadline Meter: 85%

ALL REAL TOWNIES.

Nancy is not happy about the activity level.

Given that activity is key on keeping our dealines healthy.. and we have a whole game ahead of us..I propose lurker-extermination. Well, SCUMMY lurker extermination.

Post or Perish, people.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KMD4390

[camn]

fine.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Leonshade

[camn]

I go crazy if people say I'm lurking.
But not on principle or anything....lurking as scum it's a real strategy.

It's cuz wtf I am spammy as hell how am I ever lurking? I just get busy!

Kmd stop being so busy. Or we will dance on your grave.

[camn]

Ug. I like this LeonShade.

UNVOTE:

And...it hurts me but...

VOTE: Ginngie
I just...I still have a bad feeling. It's like Gin is a caricature of Gin. It's Gin playing Gin. The Gin show..starring Gin.

Senpai!
I need your advice on this.

[camn]

Gods your reads are garbage.
But I'm glad you are here!

[camn]

Fine.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KMD4693

[camn]

Spiff, KMD, VNB, Polar Vortex.

I could see us churning through that group.

[camn]

THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT! ITS FROM YOUR LIST!!

Gods you are a parody of yourself!
Are you sheeping me? Is that what this is?
Cuz >I< was trying to sheep >YOU<.. and you can't just sheep back!

[camn]

Camn and cary, you were voting him. Were you planning on switching or what?

Planning? No. Possible? Sure.
I like to see how people behave when they are looking at rope.
I like to see what happens when people are forced to choose. Both on or off the wagon.

[camn]

SEMPAI

! I'm not feeling a KMD lynch!
and I wanna be with caryatad and ginngie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: leonshade

Come argue with me about it, since our PT is locked up.

[camn]

Naw I need to be scummy.
If I'm too obv I get nightkilled.
I need to keep the scum thinking I am lynchable.
Then they leave me alive and I dance on thier fucking graves and bathe in their blood.

But my thoughts? Everyone is so vapor it's hard to remember them. The people that is. Not my thoughts.

Not much had changed since my list, really. I like KMD more the more he speaks. Is that a cognitive flaw? I like you more today too.

[camn]

And I can save you the trouble.
CARYATID IS TOWN.

[camn]

I'd expect more from players who seem more in control of their reads and the game.

I'm so in control I don't need to even BE in control.

[camn]

Is it too crazy to think someone should be able to confirm LeonShade right now?
I'm willing to wait till tomorrow for him...cuz once night 2 is over, whoever he targeted can conf without fear, right?

Right.

And if Leon is like "oh I targeted the guy that just got killed..." Auto-lynch.

UNVOTE:

[camn]

And Gin, I do t like the makeup of the KMD wagon right now.

VOTE: Polar Vortex

[camn]

It's crossed my mind you might be scared to play scum against ME

/me bats eyelashes innocently

[camn]

I don't know who you are, but I am pretty sure I am good enough catch you as scum.
At least some of the time.

And if you are town, it's a shame you don't have very good towngame. That is more impressive. Winning as scum is easy. Its winning as town that's hard.

[camn]

Well, I don't disagree. But he had a chance to claim, and filled the space with insults instead.
If he was a next-level player, that would be a reasonable scum strategy. A last-minute AtoE to try and flip the script.
If he's a townie, it's a bush-leauge scrub-move.
But Gin certainly gave him a chance to claim, so maybe you are from the same place.

[camn]

I like blood more than I like you, Leon.

[camn]

Nope, senpai.

When you get back to our PT you will see why.

[camn]

D3? that seems soon.

And you are supposed to ask me a question before you go there.

[camn]

Because I get nightkilled, maybe.
You keep your grubby little vote off of me, otherwise. I have plans.

[camn]

me too masina

[camn]

Cary is town.
I think Leon's claim is WAY risky as scum.... he should be confirmable tomorrow.

I don't know about Imperium, though.

{KMD, VNB, Imerium, Spiff}

And do you want an explanation for our masonry, Gin?
We are modified... which is prob why you are confused.

[camn]

And it is scientifically proven that any time camn is lynched , the game goes straight to shit

[camn]

good morning everyone!
Im gonna eat cucumbers for breakfast. Its weird but I want it.

Also, I can say I seem to remember KMD being absentee a lot. I dont know why he just cant jump in without reading like everyone else

[camn]

grr.

TOWN

:
camn
Caryatid
NoticeMeSenpai

probably town:

Ginngie
Prism

probably scum then

Imperium
VNB National Plan
Kmd4390

PS,

MYLO

.

[camn]

Fuck.
this.
game.

Talk to me. we can still pull this out.

[camn]

no replacing, Senpai!

WE have a HARD townblock, given that Israel is town.

We just have to townhunt a tiny bit, and POE does the rest.

Kuwait is town on setup spec. This has to be true.
Agree/disagree?

[camn]

note to self: plurality lynches. huh.

[camn]

I don't know what to do.
The closest I have to a scumread is KMD.

Gin has it right
Townhunt for me. Figure out if Nacho/Tammy is town... and I will work on the rest.
I am starting to get a plan together.

[camn]

camn:

Did Kuwait go to pick blackberries recently?

Just night 1.
And I am ok with you full claiming for us.
I'd be interested in VNBs details, and how they match

[camn]

Holy shit.
I have 2 PTs. Both limited in one way or another though.
This is bonkers.

[camn]

I targetted camn night 1 and we shot spiffeh.

This happened.

[camn]

and to PARAPHRASE.. Caryatid told me she was Lingerie on the first post in our PT, start of day 2.

[camn]

Am I crazy for thinking claiming you missed a shot is a towntell?

[camn]

EXACTLY.

[camn]

Am I crazy for thinking claiming you missed a shot is a towntell?

AM I?

[camn]

Ginngie is way outside her scum range ftr.

are you SURE?

[camn]

Why have you been so nonexistent this game?

[camn]

Omg so much has happened...and it's night time and I'm drinking.
I will say this:

CARYATID is a good player, and I was sold on her being conf.
But she was doing one thing that bothered me in the PT- she said, "who are WE gonna kill"?
Always the WE. Keeping a little bit of control of my target.
It bothered my at the time, and in retrospect, it bothers me now.

In her defense, I picked the targets. I debated between Spiff and KMD, and I didn't feel like she was steering me at all.

But mastin said it already....her main is really DonCorleone level good.

I am behind a Cary Lynch.

But I want 16 hours to sleep, wake up, have coffee, and reread the last 6 pages.

[camn]

Oh sweetie.
You won't fool me with your maths.
You betrayed my trust.
And now you are caught scum.
I won't forget this.

(Yes, it's the middle of the night. I couldn't sleep. )

[camn]

But for the sake of the good times we had...I will listen.

I think if you convince ME, maybe I can convince everyone.
I have yet to really pick over the last 5 pages...I read them in passing on my phone. But I will be reading them in detail

So prepare your arguments!
Not so much math tho :/

[camn]

ok people.. I got my spreadsheet updated here...
Lemme get my thoughts together.

[camn]

Spoiler: raw data

name	flavor	role	targets:	N1	N2	notes:
camn	menstruation	Hated even-phase		xx	Spiffeh vig
NoticeMeSenpai	menstrual cup	odd-phase mason		xx	xx
Imperium	bedroom bookshelf	Flavor Tracker		Leonshade	VNB (blocked)	plus soft?
VNB National Plan	NEW RELATIONSHIP ENERGY!	Loyal Neighbourizer		Prism	Caryatid
Kmd4390	Flavorless Lubricant	conditional roleblocking protecting visitor		FORGOT	Ginngie
Caryatid	Lingerie	neighbourising vig-maker.		camn	Prism
Ginngie	big ass mirror	Vanilla		xx	xx
Prism	Strap-on dildo	neighborizing non-consecutive-target jailkeeper		FORGOT	Imperium
Aristophanes	Chocolate	Vanilla		xx	xx
Heartless	Medication	Guard		??	xx
Polar Vortex	Incense	Vanilla		xx	xx
Leonshade	Ketamine	Limited Role Enhancer		Imperium	xx
Spiffeh	Portable Speakers	Vanilla		xx	xx

Ok.
First-

IMPERIUM

- what were you softing in 2040? Lets have it. I made you a compilation.. give us the rest.

Next: balance check? This is my breakdown, obv.

Spoiler: one possible setup

TOWN:

Vanilla x 4
Guard (modifed roleblocker- works on Vigs and Scum only)
Limited Role Enhancer
Disjointed masons, nerfed with HATED mod.
neighborizing non-consecutive-target jailkeeper
Loyal Neighbourizer

VS:

SCUM:

Compulsive Disloyal Neighbourising vig-maker X-shot
Flavor Tracker
conditional roleblocking protecting visitor (ALSO a modified roleblocker? But plus Doc?)

Does it make sense?

I am not sure KMDs role is great as scum.. and I will say it was about 50/50 for me killing KMD last night, but Cary didn't seem to protest.
If she flips scum, I would think maybe readdress this assumption.

[camn]

or else it must be all of VNB/camn/NMS.

She knows it cant be me.
If I were scum I would have straight vigged her last night. No question.

[camn]

I can buy that Cary was playing hands-off.
But I'm putting it out there for fairness.

I want Imperium's additional juice.

There's also one more aspect to our role that I'm keeping under wraps; I'm fairly skeptical it will come into play and will claim it under immediate threat of death, but it's optimal to keep hush hush about it now.

I want it.

[camn]

You haven't tried to convince me you are town all day.
You can't look me in the eye in the face of your betrayal of my trust, can you?

[camn]

Hm.

[camn]

Good morning!

I understand you guys have some questions?

[camn]

You can't look me in the eye in the face of your betrayal of my trust, can you?

I am not actually capable of faking emotion as scum so I have to get the job done with my real emotions.

Is this why you are avoiding me?
I believed you! And it turns out you are a murderer?
How could you manipulate me like this?

Also, Nacho! Welcome to the game!

I think a Caryatid / Nacho scumteam makes a lot of sense. It explains the trouble this town has been having with.. everything.
A Caryatid/ NMS scumteam would also make sense.. except I know NMS would have been more active in our PT, AT LEAST. I know this. That is not an opportunity mastinal would miss. Caryatid didn't miss it.

KMD Scum? I am not so sure.

[camn]

That was mastins gambit

[camn]

Why is kmd not scum??

neighborizing non-consecutive-target jailkeeper
conditional roleblocking protecting visitor
neighbourising vig-maker.

These three roles.
Cary, KMD, Prism.

I think we have one and ONLY one scum here. So if Cary-scumm, town-kmd.

So given a Cary Imperium team.. I would certainly put the last scum in

KMD

- inlikely due to the above.

NMS

- possible, but unlikely due to 2 posts up.

Ginngie

.

[camn]

Sorry I had to finish that thought.

[camn]

Im sorry for my deception of omission.. although I thought I was being quite obvious.

My reason? I am still trying to draw the nightkill.
It would have made endgame a LOT easier, and the truth would come out with my death.

[camn]

I think 3 town roleblockers is pretty unlikely. Even nancy has limits, surely.

But 2 scum neighborizors?

[camn]

Prism- if we lynch Cary and she flips town, who do you kill?

[camn]

HEy!
I hate lying..which makes this game awkward for me.
And I think I was pretty careful not to lie about THIS.

Also, on second thought..., 2 scum neighborizors vs. one town neighborizor and a town neighborhood? maybe works.

SIDE NOTE> Cary's PT was generically named, as well... wheras NMS and mine had a name.

NANCY'S VAGINA.

VNBs had a name:

MINI'S BATHTUB.

From a flavor perspective.. I can totally buy that these are not places that scum are.

[camn]

Kobe's a scrub. MJ for life, LJ as the GOAT.

And OK.
If Cary-town.. VNB scum, for sure.

Can ANY claimed role prevent you from killing VNB?
I guess KMD can. Using the doc role.

Will you jailkeep KMD and kill VNB given a Cary townflip?
Alternatively, given a Cary scumflip... jailkeep KMD and kill Imperium OR KMD?

Is that the plan?

[camn]

Actually it doesn't matter.
We have night talk, so we can plan night actions POST flip.

I am ready for Cary to die.
She said it herself... she can't fake emotions as scum.
And she totally had me hoodwinked in the PT. I believed in HER.

And since the guilty came out, she has been avoiding me. She cant speak to me with the sweetness we had....... because of the guilt.

I'm ready. Are you?