Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[Hopkirk]

This game did not need 21 pages when I first saw it. I haven’t played this size in a while, but I don’t remember large games being like this before. I was planning to make one post, but given the game we're in I feel like making three or four of lower quality.

Also: Claim vengenace I odd red luck I I all numbers need don’t got a all the play.

[Hopkirk]

btw zach's flavour for the miller claim is actual dogshit

srsly theres no way _THE KIDNEY_ is a miller

i dunno how relevant bodyparts are to alignment?

Hm?

@Hebichan: Why did you vote Zach at 203 instead of 87?

[Hopkirk]

People I dislike at least somewhat: Arcade, RB, Hebichan, Carcalily.
People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh, Narna, Gerrout.

Given this is called ‘Kidney’ mafia, I can see the mafia being related to Kidney’s, and hence ‘The Kidney’ being a miller. It’s not unexplainable, so there’s too much discussion on that topic.

VOTE: RB

[Hopkirk]

Also what is going on with the neighbour thing.
Claimer person has one or two confirmed innocents or guilties yet?

[Hopkirk]

People I dislike at least somewhat: Arcade, RB, Hebichan, Carcalily.
People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh, Narna, Gerrout.

Given this is called ‘Kidney’ mafia, I can see the mafia being related to Kidney’s, and hence ‘The Kidney’ being a miller. It’s not unexplainable, so there’s too much discussion on that topic.

VOTE: RB

Could you illustrate what you like about Lycan?

VOTE: Arcade Pals

UNVOTE:

Lycan might not be who I thought they were...

Hebi also claimed a guilty on Hopkirk VOTE: Hopkirk

If you're not trolling here then town is going to win this pretty easily.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Narna

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Narna

Note: this has a not cop guilty on it^

I'm very happy with a 1v1 between us then. There's no reason for people to not vote between us now.
You haven't even commented on the person you're getting your result from denying it exists...

[Hopkirk]

People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh,

Narna

, Gerrout.

VOTE: Narna

wutface

You might have missed the post where she's got a fake 'guilty' on me.

@Zach: Am I reading wrong, or do you have 12 scumleans?

[Hopkirk]

I explicitly asked Narna if he was serious.

As far as I'm aware, Lycan was nobody. My word document, formed while reading 21 pages of shitposting, surprisingly became less detailed after a while, to the point of saying things like 'Lycan is ok'. I also have no idea where in the document I wrote that, relative to other stuff.

[Hopkirk]

hopkirk if i told you that narna's guilty was a meme would that change your opinion of your townread on narna?

If it was just shitposting then I'd view him the same as before, alignment at least.

I'd also still want to know why he said it because 'memeing' isn't an explination.

[Hopkirk]

i think it was fair for narna to prod you for that read even if it was in the form of fake guiltying you.

You know I hadn't been online between those two events?

[Hopkirk]

So I'd answer the question anyway (sooner if he hadn't claimed I was mafia in such a weird manner).
Evidence: You asked 'So?' without claiming you tracked me pregame and I killed the guy in the signup thread, and I still answered.

Questionable? Please explain that.

[Hopkirk]

Reading 5-600 mostly contentless posts without stopping will do that.

VOTE: RB

[Hopkirk]

Why are there 32 more pages. How can posting over 100 times in two days be useful.

[Hopkirk]

I'm reading page 28 and I feel it’s important to ask this before reading more: are there actually confirmed town, or was everything just one big ‘meme’?

The only person I can say I'm town reading with a reasonable degree of confidence is Zach

Everyone else needs to step it up

You don't seem to be engaging with enough people for me to like this.

[Hopkirk]

I'm still not totally sure what the train picture means.

@Arcade 734: I imagine I wrote the name expecting they'd say more, noticed they didn't say more, read another three pages, and thought someone else was ok and wrote 'is ok'. I've said I have no idea who it was refering to. Also, I don't see where the scum motivation is. Saying an inactive is town doesn't help me in any way I can think of, and if anyone asks about- which would happen if I actually had some master plan- then I don't see how I could justify it. Why would scum do this (other than because scum-me could also make the same mistake when reading dozens of pages of filler).

I explicitly asked Narna if he was serious.

As far as I'm aware, Lycan was nobody. My word document, formed while reading 21 pages of shitposting, surprisingly became less detailed after a while, to the point of saying things like 'Lycan is ok'. I also have no idea where in the document I wrote that, relative to other stuff.

F A K E R E A D S

Plus, probably using notepad or Google docs.

Same question.

Also rly cool how Hopkirk quotes the first 3 posts I make about bodyparts/relation to role and alignment and goes "!!!!! Inconsistency!!!!" but ignores the next 2-3 where I clarify

good player

I read those posts. I thought and still think Kidney being a miller could make sense in multiple plausible scenarios.

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: Rb

I feel Can It would be easier to understand if he adopted a number of specific images, say 26, and produced different meanings by varying their order and quantity.

@Narna: Why weren’t you voting me seriously if your grapes read is based on his read of me at the point you could have been?

@Hebi: Did you have thoughts on grapes before Narna’s case?

Unimportant, but weren’t only 4 of the people on Rbs wagon voting based on what RB is saying literally everyone does?

[Hopkirk]

and how are you not wondering what hopkirk is doing with that entrance

"i dont think hopkirk would do that" why? i've caught plenty of 'experienced' players with awkward entrances like that before, but this is somehow different because....who the fuck knows actually

Not really sure what're you're talking about unless you mean my

f a k e r e a d s

, which i've addressed.

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Now, I don't think you're mafia right here, but I've got to take issue with your scumread on me here. Clearly, its totally based on my meta, which I'm sure you're very much aware of. I'm not quite irritated that you don't understand that my meta involves a healthy dose of

f a k e r e a d s

. Your failure to recognise this simple fake makes you, quite frankly, the worst person who has ever lived. This might be controversial, some may say that slaughtering thousands of innocent people is worse, but I disagree. This is a game of mafia after all. There's absolutely no place for whatever it is i'm inexplicably claiming you are doing in a game like mafia. Truthfully, I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but I'm not sure that really matters. What matters is that anyone reading this post, hopefully including RB, has to read a good solid paragraph of shit. I'm sorry I couldn't write pages of this, but that just sounds like absolutely no fun. Even less fun than some other people seem to be having.

[Hopkirk]

Oh, its finally over. I probably should have checked for replace outs beforehand.

My ‘odd entrance’ could also be where I softclaimed my role in a way that’s obvious to anyone who enjoys early 70s British sort of detective shows to an astounding degree.

I wanted to vote Arcade from around the time I unvote RB. Now it just looks like I’m wagoning. Though it is foreshadowed in my third post.

VOTE: Arcade

[Hopkirk]

I have 63 pages to read and will catch up on as much as possible in the next hour.

[Hopkirk]

My word is not working so I'm going to become what I hate and post a lot of posts.

quite town: spiff, bins, lasaga
decently town: peregrine, narna, torgonitoh
sort of town: grapes, zachary, gerryoat, lycan, little uzi vert
no sense: pork, hopkirk, warrior, cheeto ree
ooge: hebichan, slysly, game replacement
a little worse than ooge: carcalily, arcade fire

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Having me as neutral and having made no attempt to interact with me is odd. Bins also makes the same read.

[Hopkirk]

Not that many people have tried to interact with me. Most (I think) of those who have, I townread.
I like LUV.

I am willing to sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR. He knows what he want to do with his life. He wants to ROCK.

I thought you didn't like gimmicky/shitposty stuff.

[Hopkirk]

As of page 70 I am happy with the wagon and formation on AP. The lack of lynch by 120 means he probably claims at some point though.

[Hopkirk]

Get the fuck off my wagon right now you scum fucks we're not scum cause if I was I'd kick all your asses now lynch fucking transcend Game replacement is town and these wagons are getting powerlynched by scum because everyone is okay with the same 2 wagons because SCUM LIKE BOTH OF THEM jesus people mafia 101 and you can't do shit
~Maria

This is not a good defence.

WAIT NO WAS THAT A HAMMER

Carcalilly does not seem genuinely concerned about a hammer.

Get the fuck off my wagon right now you scum fucks we're not scum cause if I was I'd kick all your asses now lynch fucking transcend Game replacement is town and these wagons are getting powerlynched by scum because everyone is okay with the same 2 wagons because SCUM LIKE BOTH OF THEM jesus people mafia 101 and you can't do shit
~Maria

this was kinda ew but if u do flip town then I'm K with lynching trans

I do not like this either.

[Hopkirk]

Grapes does not answer LUV’s question about me. Neither cares. Probably because I wasn’t posting at this point, but eh.
I don’t know why Hebi voted Porky. I’m not saying I like Porky though.
Spiffey seems legitimately annoyed.

[Hopkirk]

Arcade doesn’t seem to be making a defence, and doesn’t seem worried about being lynched either (as of page 80ish). Still dislike.
A full doctor claiming D1 to aid the lynch of a fakeclaiming doctor doesn’t seem like a good trade when it could well be multiball.

[Hopkirk]

wait fock i mixed up the hydras

chamber

there are two different art styles i think and chamber is the one that is talking about porkens

is that suggesting that porkens and pv5 are different balls of scum?

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I don't see why any of this was posted. It feels fake.

[Hopkirk]

I don't see why you would expect town to think of 'If I was scum' scenarios.

[Hopkirk]

fucking hieroglyphs

that reminds me i should clear my history at some point

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This should have come with content if actually checking in.

The first 20 pages indicate to me that gonk manipulated Zach into claiming. It looks like he used Arcade, either intentionally or unwittingly, to help him leverage Zach. Therefore, I'd rather lynch gonk, but I'm ok on Arcade.

I chose to include PV in the story because he played an integral part in the pressure dynamics in that conversation.

Several of the players in this game are treating this like chat-room mafia, and I am unable to process this much text in depth. Likewise, I am not able to chime in on every topic or react to every development in real time. I have notes on everyone whose posts I have read so far, and I am currently reading several people carefully. When I have another confident lead, I will share that.

The amount of pointless posts is what caused me to go nearly 3 days without posting. I agree losing motivation is a major problem when I can't post without first reading 30 pages (which has happened every night), at which point I'm unable to interact with anyone in real time due to burning out for the day just catching up.

[Hopkirk]

CAN WE GET BACK TO LYNCHING SOMEONE
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT
BECAUSE TALKING WITH LUV IS PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE ME VOMIT 5 PAGES WORTH OF ANGER

Accompanied by no analysis, in the context of having unclear general reads. Not really trying to change the subject. Plus the discussion on Bins lasted too long.

Does Vedith have an alt here? There’s almost a full page that I can’t follow because they aren’t in the player list.

I have not read anything past page 91. I will do that tomorrow, and hopefully catch up if there aren't 30 more pages.

[Hopkirk]

Hebi is complaining a lot while not doing a lot.

Unfortunately i mostly townread my entire wagon except for Hopkirk

Does this come from scum RB with the later explosion as context? Seems less likely than from town.

[Hopkirk]

If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.

[Hopkirk]

Why is there so much talk of compromise? And why does that compromise keep coming in the form of wagoning the same people instead of different ones.
I can’t see how the RB thing was ‘manufactured’ and am interested in seeing how/if TPF justified this/ what he means be manufactured. (if hasn’t after reading his next few and I want to know)
Not many people seem to want to start wagons despite lots of people hopping on. AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.
LUV complaining about pagecount while posting around four times the average is funny.

[Hopkirk]

Not Voting (2)- PeregrineV, Carcalilly[/b]

carlily is no pick
carlily is no find badmans
carlily is no find goodmans
carlily is no do a thing?
why keep?
all pick we sleep i find badmans when no post ok

carlily not always no death pick carlily many up picks
why say badman?

[Hopkirk]

Theatre involving multiple replace outs and a site ban seems like pretty next level theatre. Their partner(s) must be really persuasive if this happened. Option 2 also need analysis with it, hence doesn’t sound like what you initially called scum theatre.
As of page 120 I dislike the guy with the big wagon thing.

[Hopkirk]

Carca is scum btw

I'm leaning that way, too. The "ninja" has my vote though.

I was a full proponent of Arcade Pals scum, but Dunn and Maria aren't stupid enough to claim a modifier that incriminates them when they could have otherwise left it out. Their claim is the only thing giving me pause.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM


I am now up to my first recent post and can sort of interact more. Yay.

[Hopkirk]

I want to know Lily’s read on me. Seems odd to not be stated given I was one of her two nulls earlier.

If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.

Could you explain your townread on GR for me?

Sorry but I don't follow the theory:How would scum "prove" that ap and gr were scum?

Carcalilly, you need to put some effort in at this point or you are just making it harder to lynch scum (if you are town). So really, either way, you need to post content. Pick someone and ISOthem, give a read, etc.

Much more likely his explosion comes from irritated town based on what I know of him/have heard.

Actually what I was saying doesn't fully make sense because there would need to be someone else in the quicktopic made. Would a scum neighbourizer style role be able to put 2 people other than self in a PT?
What I was thinking is that: AP says GR is in the PT. GR gets lynched and flips town, which results in an AP lynch. Doesn't make sense actually, but i've been reading a lot.

[Hopkirk]

Not many people seem to want to start wagons despite lots of people hopping on. AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.

I don't think this is an accurate depiction of our iso considering we wanted to lynch:

Zach
Lil Uzi Vert
lycanfire
Powerful Warrior
Transcend
TPFKAP

All today, and we started or were one of the ones who started the wagons on every single one of those (some never took off)

It seems to me like you are just saying things to try to maintain a scumread/vote on us throughout the day - it doesn't actually match up to what happened

VOTE: Hopkirk

tryign to stirr things back up on narna

What does this mean?

that will take me a while to go back and find, but I recall there was a shift in the conversation and instead of following the shift, you said something to the effect of "but narna you guys".

We never pushed on narna. I'd like a quote if you're going to argue otherwise

So you're trying to refute me saying you're switching too much to avoid a lynch by pointing out you've been switching between 6 people?
That's what I'm saying is scummy. You aren't comitted to the votes, and seem to switch between one and another at a whim, rather than through an understandable method.

[Hopkirk]

@Zach: Please clarify your reasoning for me being scum. You haven't mentioned me in a legitimate context (involving reference to what i'm saying).

[Hopkirk]

seem to switch between one and another at a whim

We're 3000 posts in; I don't think it's unreasonable to have voted 6 different people.

Over 3000 posts, no. I'm talking over a shorter period. Unless all your scumreads are equally scum and you don't care to sort further, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Hopkirk]

That's what I'm saying is scummy.

And no it wasn't, you never said this

You're just pointing to everything we say as scummy

'AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.'

[Hopkirk]

That's refering to you moving between wagons.
You might have started some, but only on highly public people.

[Hopkirk]

Ok, finished.

I think Carcalilly is town. Since her #16 or so, she actually has posted more content than I thought.

She has been consistent in giving reads. Some of her explanations have been, well, unhelpful: "it's just the stuff they say and the way they say it". However, she interacted with a wide swath of the game, in reaction to game events, with opinions, and that is content. I don't find any obvious contradictions in those opinions. In fact, all of them make some kind of legitimate sense to me.

She also has done at least a little scum hunting / investigation. During the neighborizer fiasco, she pressed hebi on her hesitation to be Masoned. She asked for a meta read on PV. She asks if Ninja is a scum roll.

She's consistently shared her reads on other players, and they aren't bad.

Her scetchy interaction with narna is the worst part of her play as far as I can see. But even that has a very simple town explanation.

Town by me.

Carc, you have posted a lot more than I gave you credit for. I apologize. Now go do your homework.

Which parts here are alignment indicative? 2 sounds like busywork questions, and 3 is somewhat mitigated by 1.

[Hopkirk]

Theatre involving multiple replace outs and a site ban seems like pretty next level theatre. Their partner(s) must be really persuasive if this happened. Option 2 also need analysis with it, hence doesn’t sound like what you initially called scum theatre.
As of page 120 I dislike the guy with the big wagon thing.

Was someone actually banned?

RB and all his alts were site banned for over a month. I assume some of the 'multiple reports' came from the 2 most vocal people about it, and reporting a scum partner for an agreed startegy just isn't believable.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12139&start=461

[Hopkirk]

Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.

Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.

[Hopkirk]

Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.

Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.

Sure, and/or in the scum chat. Ok back to moving on.

Which means it wasn't planned, which was your theory. I'm happy to move on now.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Zach

Don't intent to remove this without a response to what I've asked.

[Hopkirk]

I'm not planning to read the last 25 pages except maybe 3 before the lynch, and what I saw in a night phone skim. Did anything important happen in this period, and who claimed Prs?

@Zach: I didn't think you were mafia, but voted you on principle. There's no reason not to answer questions, and it's disrespectful to totally ignore them.

VOTE: Hebi
Scumread anyway.

[Hopkirk]

The reason for not reading is because I lot of what I saw while skimming what more personal fights and/or 'meme' posting.

[Hopkirk]

The reason for not reading is because I lot of what I saw while skimming what more personal fights and/or 'meme' posting.

This seems awfully paranoid. You scum?

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Transcend, you still a miller?

Paranoid? Did

you

read it?

[Hopkirk]

Why are we qling them before a claim lol

Why aren't you?

I am in a PT and not scum.

Not with hebi obviously

[Hopkirk]

You claimed just to give hebi a chance to claim?

What's wrong with this?

Why are you acting like hebi should be quicklynched because she belongs to a private topic when she has no way out as scum besides claiming neighbor with a scumpartner?

Why would you claim then, that makes it more likely she'd give up rather than implicate a scumparter.

[Hopkirk]

Transcend is oddly insistent that things happen right away.

VOTE: Gonkbadoop

[Hopkirk]

V/la until late Monday.

[Hopkirk]

Starting to read. I really hope there's a list somewhere of what everyone is claiming/that someone makes one.

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: Gook
Looking back at the RB stuff and gook is probably town. Rb probably has a partner in Radiant/Narna/PV. I think they've all claimed though?

[Hopkirk]

Oh, claims 2 pages back. Retracting the above since they're all in other groups.

[Hopkirk]

Or I'm getting confused about who replaced who and Narna/Vecna can be mafia.
Lycanfire, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Spiffeh, gerryoat, Torgonitoh, Vecna, and TPFKAP haven't claimed, right?

[Hopkirk]

Warrior/Gerrygoar/Vecna/Torg I want to look at more.

VOTE: powerful warrior

first off holy shit yall spam a lot.

Hello everyone I am town

Enjoy your day!

sure about that?

homestuck

that was me not spiffeh!!!!!

i know we look alike

rb is probably scum???? his reaction to hebi was real bad???
gerryoat too

VOTE: rb

i'm pretty disappointed with lycanfire atm

comes in, naked votes, revotes, unvotes, *POOF* vanishes

YUCK

SCUM SCUM SCUM

VOTE: rb

oh lmfao I know who I wanna rvs vote

VOTE: Powerful Warrior

a fraud, never been to the gym in his LIFE

oh lmfao I know who I wanna rvs vote VOTE: Powerful Warriora fraud, never been to the gym in his LIFE

YOURE JUST MAD CUZ UR NUT #BULKED

I think the problem is that I've played with like ~5 people in this playerlist and all of them have barely posted while the posts of everyone I don't know follow a similar style and run together and my puny brain can't differentiate them

same problem

too many WEAK WILLED people

Arcade pals is town, goobadoot or whatever is likely scum?

How dare you!

Uh, comments so far?

you're town! how are you anyway, hebi?

Unvote. Vote: PV5

should've painted that

cant take this anymore. and this game used to be fun.
two words rb: fuck you.

replace our hydra with transcend pls. im out

ugh
double ugh at rb

APOLOGIES ENDED UP HAVING SOCIAL LIFE

I'm here I'm here!!!

lynch: RB slot, gerryoat, carcarilly

This is PW's effective entrance. On an ISO, I don't like it. I don't see how these were the things (and the only things) he'd want to weigh in on. What he's saying is pretty all over the place, resulting in reads that don't make a lot of sense. There's no serious attempt to follow on any reads, pretty much throughout.

spiffeh/gonkadoop very likely scum[/quote

spiffeh has done nothing at all

Powerful has also done pretty much nothing, as had other people like me or canit. Nobody else is mentioned for doing nothing. Spiffeh is mentioned briefly here (in the same manner as a few other posts), then Powerful seems to tunnel on them all game without real reasoning.

spiff is so scum its HILARIOUS
PUNY MOUS3

I don't think you 2 realize how fast this game is going.

I imagine it has just been easier for him to play elsewhere but yeah if he doesn't replace out soon I'll worry.

spiffeh is one of my best friends on this site.
Spiffeh and I have hydrad a bunch and completely dominated games

I've seen spiffeh scumclaim in games and then I had to dig him out of that hole. We've talked for hours on how to make sure he doesn't blow up his spot as scum.

He knows I can read him so when hes in a game with me hes going to try and make noise and look town. That's his cheet content...guess what? That's kinda all he said. Spiffeh rightfully earned paragon...this game he isn't anything like town spiffeh.

There's been no follow up on the stuff he said about Spiffeh which is weird given Spiffeh doesn't respond to it.
Also seems very sure on Spiff, yet isn't following up on it in a more serious manner than unsubstantiated comments/weak (no offense intended to your powerfulness) votes. The RB read is also never pushed seriously.

[Hopkirk]

saying no scum bused is especially silly

hopkirks reads are weird that might actually be scum

bins might be scum but not with gerry

Thank GOD pere didn't get replaced...



I'm not sure it's the GAME that's getting apathetic but this DAY.

So let's just hammer luv I guess; I'm busy as fuck the next few days anyway and my favorite vote has got people looking at me like I'm that crazy dude who sits in the corner at the bar whispering to the walls.

But since luv is my scumbuddy I guess I'm obligated to ask if the few people I saw sring gonk would mind getting something going there?
Because In all seriousness I think that's the most likely scumflip out of stuff that has the support.

What is weird about my suspicions?

[Hopkirk]

Warrior/Gerrygoat/Vecna/Papa: My suspicions. Coincidentally, all were on the awful wagon yesterday.

VOTE: Vecna

[Hopkirk]

excuse me hopkirk this game is about the SURVIVOR FACTION. please glorify us. THANK

Hey, I agreed you were both not scum a while back. Isn't that enough?
Voting Arcade before we get a result from him feels silly.

[Hopkirk]

excuse me hopkirk this game is about the SURVIVOR FACTION. please glorify us. THANK

Hey, I agreed you were both not scum a while back. Isn't that enough?
Voting Arcade before we get a result from him feels silly.

You mean 2, right?

I'm not sure what you're commenting on.

[Hopkirk]

re: arcade pals

it's a role designed to find us. that's why i was less suspicious of slysly, because it seems like it could find scum or survivor. arcade pals has a role that hints opposing faction.

Why is this more likely than a town PT checker who is weakened by possible false positives?

[Hopkirk]

What exactly have you claimed so far RC?

[Hopkirk]

1 or 2 partners? Daytalk or not?

[Hopkirk]

Oh lol I see it all now.

Everyone I called scum in my first post is actually town, and I know who the scum are.

Hold on, I'll show you what I mean.

The lack of followup here reminds me of the kind of detective shows where someone's about to reveal the killer then gets killed.
Dayvig incoming.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: POWERFUL WARRIOR

[Hopkirk]

i guess i dont mind gonk lynch. hopkirk lych sounds appealing though

I don't see reads progression since You've barely mentioned me, and am curious why you've never considered trying to sort me before by responding to any of my posts in any way-as far as I'm aware of.

Would be happy with vecna or Gerry right now, but not voting because I haven't been able to read what's happened so far this day.

@mod- limited access for 5 days given internet issues

[Hopkirk]

My internet works and I am reading stuff.

[Hopkirk]

don't see reads progression since You've barely mentioned me, and am curious why you've never considered trying to sort me before by responding to any of my posts in any way-as far as I'm aware of.

Would be happy with vecna or Gerry right now, but not voting because I haven't been able to read what's happened so far this day

maybe if you read today you'd see

I've read up to this point now. You literally just put me in a list of unsorted people, then coloured it later without mentioning me or anything about me. I don't see someone legitimately making the response I've quoted here based on that.

[Hopkirk]

don't see reads progression since You've barely mentioned me, and am curious why you've never considered trying to sort me before by responding to any of my posts in any way-as far as I'm aware of.

Would be happy with vecna or Gerry right now, but not voting because I haven't been able to read what's happened so far this day

maybe if you read today you'd see

I've read up to this point now. You literally just put me in a list of unsorted people, then coloured it later without mentioning me or anything about me. I don't see someone legitimately making the response I've quoted here based on that.

ive been on every maf/SK lynch so far lol. i've only been wrong about LUV and he was just scummy af. hopkirk why should I TR you?

Being on the SK doesn't mean a lot since mafia know they're lynching either town/sk- not mafia. The SK lynch is the equivilent of a town mislynch for finding mafia.
The GR lynch clearly involved bussing.
The AP lynch has made me move you from my top mafia read to like 3rd instead, but could still just be you reading that AP was dying.

[Hopkirk]

Gonk is likely town given the tipping point of RB getting annoyed in response to him.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Vecna
or bins maybe

[Hopkirk]

Actually 6/8 when most of the obv town are voting there doesn't give any town point to gerry really.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Bins
Eh, why not.

[Hopkirk]

Actually 6/8 when most of the obv town are voting there doesn't give any town point to gerry really.

ok then vote me then. i bet you get lynched before i do. or you can vote bins. vecna isnt being lynched today

People are primarily scumreading me for inactivity as far as I can tell. Why would that get me lynched?

[Hopkirk]

don't see reads progression since You've barely mentioned me, and am curious why you've never considered trying to sort me before by responding to any of my posts in any way-as far as I'm aware of.

Would be happy with vecna or Gerry right now, but not voting because I haven't been able to read what's happened so far this day

maybe if you read today you'd see

I've read up to this point now. You literally just put me in a list of unsorted people, then coloured it later without mentioning me or anything about me. I don't see someone legitimately making the response I've quoted here based on that.

ive been on every maf/SK lynch so far lol. i've only been wrong about LUV and he was just scummy af. hopkirk why should I TR you?

Also I want a response to this.

[Hopkirk]

Not Voting (5)- gonkbadoop taskmaster, Bins,

Spiffeh

,

Arcade Pals

,

Hopkirk

^I feel like voting here leads to town victory.

2/2 so far

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The POWERFUL WARRIOR lynch brought 3 new faces to the lynching game. I knew it was way too easy of a lynch.

Votecount 1.22

Game Replacement

(11)- Carcalilly, gerryoat, gonkbadoop taskmaster, hebichan, Lycanfire, RadiantCowbells, Transcend, torgonitoh, Zachstralkita, Game Replacement, Vecna (LYNCH!)

Arcade Pals

(3)- SlySly, Lil Uzi Vert, TPFKAP

Carcalilly

(2)- PeregrineV, Bins

TPFKAP

(2)- grapes,

Arcade Pals

Spiffeh

(1)- POWERFUL WARRIOR

Zachstralkita

(1)-

Hopkirk

Not Voting

(1)-

Spiffeh

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-20 15:35:35)[/area]

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Votecount 2.7

Lil Uzi Vert

(11)- POWERFUL WARRIOR, RadiantCowbells, Carcalilly, gerryoat, Vecna, Transcend, Bins, SlySly, TPFKAP, grapes, hebichan

RadiantCowbells

(2) -

Spiffeh

, Lil Uzi Vert

TPFKAP

(2)- gonkbadoop taskmaster, Lycanfire

POWERFUL WARRIOR

(1)-

Hopkirk

Not Voting

(4)- SlySly, PeregrineV,

Arcade Pals

, Papa Zito[/b]

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-31 11:39:50)[/area]

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Votecount 3.2

POWERFUL WARRIOR

(9)-

Spiffeh

,

Hopkirk

, Transcend, Bins, Vecna, Carcalilly,

Arcade Pals

, TPFKAP, RadiantCowbells

Arcade Pals

(2)- Lycanfire, PeregrineV

TPFKAP

(1)- RadiantCowbells

Bins

(1)- gerryoat

Not Voting

(7)- gonkbadoop taskmaster, SlySly, POWERFUL WARRIOR, Arcade Pals, Papa Zito, TPFKAP, grapes[/b]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-09-10 06:09:03)[/area]

Let's complete the avenging of PW's honorable, but wrongful death!!!

VOTE: Hopkirk

So are you doing these analysis things without context purely to make it look bad, or is that just coincidence?

I was voting RB and Arcade all of d1, and wanted Arcade lynched. I only voted Zack on principle right at the end to try and get him to answer a question. I'd
vote semi-confirmed town in lylo if they were shit enough/ego heavy enough to think they didn't need to bother answering questions. However, you're counting what was me pushing mafia- Arcade, as being opposed to lynching mafia because I'd switched to try and get someone who didn't feel like responding to questions to answer one- and you're trying to say from that that I wasn't trying to lynch mafia (which I was on Arcade).

Then you imply it's negative that I wasn't on the SK lynch when 1.) mafia are more likely to be on it than town since they want non mafia lynched, 2.) without adressing what I said in regards to one, and 3.) I was V/LA and without capacity to even view the site for the entire period.

The only 'bad' vote there is being on PW. You imply this is worse than the LUV lynch, while not explaining the point. On this point, please explain why being 'new' to the 'lynching game' is a bad thing.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Vecna
or bins maybe

Oh look

Someone looking for an easy mislynch

Do not taunt the bear, little man. It just might wake up

Wow, have you found vague threats to be at all effective at finding mafia in the past, or are you just actively trying to attack people who want to sort with you while avoiding interacting with them?

[Hopkirk]

gonk/hopkirk/the other ppl i have no reason to tr


hiw many mafia do u think there r left

2.
Right now a large part of my vote on you is your decision to scumread me without explination when I started to look easy.

[Hopkirk]

Why are you off Gonk right now, having second thoughts or just not got around to it?

[Hopkirk]

Other than Radiant and Carcalilly, who has claimed so far?

[Hopkirk]

Then you imply it's negative that I wasn't on the SK lynch when

I did no such thing.

-------------------

Other than Radiant and Carcalilly, who has claimed so far?

SlySly - Town 2 shot Parity Cop - Lymphocyte (4137)

gerryoat
Carcalilly - VT appendix claim (1885)
TPFKAP - Town PR (5656)
Bins - soft lung claim (587), lung soft claim followup (922), lungs full(6092), SK claim (6240)
Vecna(Narna) - cc'd SOFTIE rb's DOC claim (1614), musculoskeletal system, full doctor claim (1920), VT Claim (4379)
PapaZito

Hopkirk
gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour) - Liver claim (217)

RadiantCowbells(Gorkington (Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6))) - 2-person 3P survivor faction with one other person(Lycanfire). Our faction is Kidney. (4435) 2 shot bp, 1 shot jailkeep (5530), claims knowledge of SK since D1(6105)

Oh, right, I misread something there.
I still want to hear your response to the other points I raised.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Bins
Eh, why not.

This bugs me so much considering he didn't like my read on him being "empty"

What bugs you?

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Hopkirk

This feels quite alright to me actually

In your entire iso you quote me once, and don't mention me at all (searching hopkirk). Except for 3 short sentences, you don't try and interact with me or give your thoughts on me, or seem to have any form of read on me whatsoever- let alone having a developed one. You only seem to think me scum as an omgus now, after ignoring me completely. Now you vote me without giving any of those reasons that you must seem to have suddenly discovered, I assume without looking at any of my past posts.

Bins/Vecna.

[Hopkirk]

Why haven't we lynched gonk yet again?

Can you respond to my point on why I think Gonk is town?

I'm still good with Hopkirk.

If you're too arrogant to read and/or respond to my questions then there's nothing I can really do to convince you otherwise is there.

VOTE: hopkirk

So is anyone actually voting me with any reference to anything I've posted, because I haven't seen any of that stuff. Everyone voting me is either scum, or just lazy/bad.

[Hopkirk]

Also, my flavour is cardiovascular system, as stated in my first post.

[Hopkirk]

@Sly: Not responding to 6294, or substantiating whatsoever on the read was it entirely. In 6383 I didn't see any desire/attempt from you to engage with me whatsoever. I still think you're town though.

/scumtheatre

unvote, vote: hopkirk

Another (strong town lean) person voting me without any words along with it. Sad.

gonkbadoop taskmaster
SlySly

Bins

gerryoat

Hopkirk

Papa Zito
Carcalilly

RadiantCowbells

Vecna
TPFKAP

Care to actually explain your read on me yet? You're treating putting my name in red on a list like you're saying something, while you're clearly not engaging with any of my iso.

so yeah, we lynch hopkirk, then gonk

if we havent won by then, we lynch slysly or gerry, but at that point were probably stabbed in the back by RC already

This is still scum.

VOTE: hopkirk

If zito is town this is probs scum

Zito is probably town. You are behaving anti-town by voting me given nobody has provided any reasoning.

Not got much faith in town now tbh given nobody voting me seems to actually have looked at my iso whatsoever.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Narna

Note: this has a not cop guilty on it^

I'm very happy with a 1v1 between us then. There's no reason for people to not vote between us now.
You haven't even commented on the person you're getting your result from denying it exists...

and how are you not wondering what hopkirk is doing with that entrance

"i dont think hopkirk would do that" why? i've caught plenty of 'experienced' players with awkward entrances like that before, but this is somehow different because....who the fuck knows actually

Not really sure what're you're talking about unless you mean my

f a k e r e a d s

, which i've addressed.

---

Now, I don't think you're mafia right here, but I've got to take issue with your scumread on me here. Clearly, its totally based on my meta, which I'm sure you're very much aware of. I'm not quite irritated that you don't understand that my meta involves a healthy dose of

f a k e r e a d s

. Your failure to recognise this simple fake makes you, quite frankly, the worst person who has ever lived. This might be controversial, some may say that slaughtering thousands of innocent people is worse, but I disagree. This is a game of mafia after all. There's absolutely no place for whatever it is i'm inexplicably claiming you are doing in a game like mafia. Truthfully, I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but I'm not sure that really matters. What matters is that anyone reading this post, hopefully including RB, has to read a good solid paragraph of shit. I'm sorry I couldn't write pages of this, but that just sounds like absolutely no fun. Even less fun than some other people seem to be having.

Not many people seem to want to start wagons despite lots of people hopping on. AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.

I don't think this is an accurate depiction of our iso considering we wanted to lynch:

Zach
Lil Uzi Vert
lycanfire
Powerful Warrior
Transcend
TPFKAP

All today, and we started or were one of the ones who started the wagons on every single one of those (some never took off)

It seems to me like you are just saying things to try to maintain a scumread/vote on us throughout the day - it doesn't actually match up to what happened

VOTE: Hopkirk

tryign to stirr things back up on narna

What does this mean?

that will take me a while to go back and find, but I recall there was a shift in the conversation and instead of following the shift, you said something to the effect of "but narna you guys".

We never pushed on narna. I'd like a quote if you're going to argue otherwise

So you're trying to refute me saying you're switching too much to avoid a lynch by pointing out you've been switching between 6 people?
That's what I'm saying is scummy. You aren't comitted to the votes, and seem to switch between one and another at a whim, rather than through an understandable method.

seem to switch between one and another at a whim

We're 3000 posts in; I don't think it's unreasonable to have voted 6 different people.

Over 3000 posts, no. I'm talking over a shorter period. Unless all your scumreads are equally scum and you don't care to sort further, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's what I'm saying is scummy.

And no it wasn't, you never said this

You're just pointing to everything we say as scummy

'AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.'

VOTE: Zach

Don't intent to remove this without a response to what I've asked.

excuse me hopkirk this game is about the SURVIVOR FACTION. please glorify us. THANK

Hey, I agreed you were both not scum a while back. Isn't that enough?
Voting Arcade before we get a result from him feels silly.

Some posts I'd like to hear thoughts on from the 4ish people with naked votes on me.

The entire game nobody has really commented in response to 90% of what I've said. Scum are just naked voting for easy kill.

Happy with Vecna/Bins right now.

[Hopkirk]

Vecna/Bins avoided attacking GR/AP a lot more than we overall d1.

Carcailly's thought process seems transparant, has had good reads/positions on scum, and I thought she flipped VT at one point and that fit with what I was expecting.

I have no idea how many people are voting me, but I'm pretty sure i've been on L-1 at some point without anyone asking for a claim. I think RC might have been L1, and I'm not really sure why RC is voting at all if they claim to be trying to act pro-town and vote with the majority.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk suddenly trying when his wagon grows is suspicious to me.

You know I had no internet access for two weeks right? Literally couldn't post anything, so couldn't try then.
Day one there was barely a single point I was caught up.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk suddenly trying when his wagon grows is suspicious to me.

Also what behaviour do you expect from me? Should I find about 5 naked votes to be highly legitimate?

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk suddenly trying when his wagon grows is suspicious to me.

Also what behaviour do you expect from me? Should I find about 5 naked votes to be highly legitimate?

Also I haven't played a large here in about 3+ years, and this is the size I normally play at, so more activity makes sense here. Especially when a fifth of my posting D1 was complaining about post counts. I'd have been happy rather than annoyed at that as mafia.

[Hopkirk]

We have enough AtE in this game already, hop.

Pointing out logical flaws is not ATE. I want your responses rather than a dismisal.

[Hopkirk]

Where the ate? All I see is facts and a little bit of self meta

[Hopkirk]

Do cults ever replace people's roles with asthetic trackers?
Mafia already had a way to find the third party with AP. I still think Bins is scum, but that's not her role.

@lettuce- why does Lucan's flip say he is mariomaniac?

[Hopkirk]

Lycanfire died on Night 3!
It was:

Spoiler: Lycanfire

Welcome to Kidney Mafia, Lycanfire!

You are MarioManiac4, a KIDNEY Ascetic Tracker, aligned with the

KIDNEY.

You have the ability to use your vote and voice during the Day.
During the Night phase, you may track a player. You will learn who, if anyone, that player visited that Night.
You are also Ascetic; any non-killing actions that target you will fail.

You are aligned with the KIDNEY, and know [redacted] to also be aligned with the KIDNEY. The [redacted] of you may communicate here at any time; [redacted]

You win when another faction has reached its win condition and at least one member of the KIDNEY is alive.

Is this role name right?

[Hopkirk]

@Mod

Lycanfire died on Night 3!
It was:

Spoiler: Lycanfire

Welcome to Kidney Mafia, Lycanfire!

You are MarioManiac4, a KIDNEY Ascetic Tracker, aligned with the

KIDNEY.

You have the ability to use your vote and voice during the Day.
During the Night phase, you may track a player. You will learn who, if anyone, that player visited that Night.
You are also Ascetic; any non-killing actions that target you will fail.

You are aligned with the KIDNEY, and know [redacted] to also be aligned with the KIDNEY. The [redacted] of you may communicate here at any time; [redacted]

You win when another faction has reached its win condition and at least one member of the KIDNEY is alive.

Is this role name right?

[Hopkirk]

hop not knowing AP actually didnt flip pt checker is points to him

Oh. Do we know how AP knew about PTs?

[Hopkirk]

That seems like a small amount of mafia.

[Hopkirk]

I forgot how much I liked that Picture.

[Hopkirk]

BTW bins u still owe me food for how much I defended you

no


:v



pedit - DID I JUST GET A WARNING FOR NO MULTIPOSTS WHAT IS THIS

How is this possible when TKthdgn posted about twenty times in a row.