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This game did not need 21 pages when I first saw it. I haven’t played this size in a while, but I don’t remember large games being like this before. I was planning to make one post, but given the game we're in I feel like making three or four of lower quality.
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In post 183, rb wrote:btw zach's flavour for the miller claim is actual dogshitIn post 204, rb wrote:srsly theres no way _THE KIDNEY_ is a miller
Hm?In post 234, rb wrote:i dunno how relevant bodyparts are to alignment?
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People I dislike at least somewhat: Arcade, RB, Hebichan, Carcalily.
People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh, Narna, Gerrout.
Given this is called ‘Kidney’ mafia, I can see the mafia being related to Kidney’s, and hence ‘The Kidney’ being a miller. It’s not unexplainable, so there’s too much discussion on that topic.
VOTE: RB- Hopkirk
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Lycan might not be who I thought they were...In post 530, Narna wrote:
Could you illustrate what you like about Lycan?In post 523, Hopkirk wrote:People I dislike at least somewhat: Arcade, RB, Hebichan, Carcalily.
People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh, Narna, Gerrout.
Given this is called ‘Kidney’ mafia, I can see the mafia being related to Kidney’s, and hence ‘The Kidney’ being a miller. It’s not unexplainable, so there’s too much discussion on that topic.
VOTE: RB
If you're not trolling here then town is going to win this pretty easily.
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I'm very happy with a 1v1 between us then. There's no reason for people to not vote between us now.
You haven't even commented on the person you're getting your result from denying it exists...- Hopkirk
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You might have missed the post where she's got a fake 'guilty' on me.In post 569, LasagneBot wrote:kirk wrote:People I like at least somewhat: Zack, LYcan, Spiffeh,Narna, Gerrout.
wutfacekirk wrote:VOTE: Narna
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I explicitly asked Narna if he was serious.
As far as I'm aware, Lycan was nobody. My word document, formed while reading 21 pages of shitposting, surprisingly became less detailed after a while, to the point of saying things like 'Lycan is ok'. I also have no idea where in the document I wrote that, relative to other stuff.- Hopkirk
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If it was just shitposting then I'd view him the same as before, alignment at least.In post 580, LasagneBot wrote:hopkirk if i told you that narna's guilty was a meme would that change your opinion of your townread on narna?
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You know I hadn't been online between those two events?In post 588, LasagneBot wrote:i think it was fair for narna to prod you for that read even if it was in the form of fake guiltying you.- Hopkirk
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I'm reading page 28 and I feel it’s important to ask this before reading more: are there actually confirmed town, or was everything just one big ‘meme’?
You don't seem to be engaging with enough people for me to like this.In post 658, Spiffeh wrote:The only person I can say I'm town reading with a reasonable degree of confidence is Zach
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I'm still not totally sure what the train picture means.
@Arcade 734: I imagine I wrote the name expecting they'd say more, noticed they didn't say more, read another three pages, and thought someone else was ok and wrote 'is ok'. I've said I have no idea who it was refering to. Also, I don't see where the scum motivation is. Saying an inactive is town doesn't help me in any way I can think of, and if anyone asks about- which would happen if I actually had some master plan- then I don't see how I could justify it. Why would scum do this (other than because scum-me could also make the same mistake when reading dozens of pages of filler).
Same question.In post 785, PeregrineV wrote:In post 585, Narna wrote:In post 579, Hopkirk wrote:I explicitly asked Narna if he was serious.
As far as I'm aware, Lycan was nobody. My word document, formed while reading 21 pages of shitposting, surprisingly became less detailed after a while, to the point of saying things like 'Lycan is ok'. I also have no idea where in the document I wrote that, relative to other stuff.F A K E R E A D S
Plus, probably using notepad or Google docs.
I read those posts. I thought and still think Kidney being a miller could make sense in multiple plausible scenarios.In post 848, rb wrote:Also rly cool how Hopkirk quotes the first 3 posts I make about bodyparts/relation to role and alignment and goes "!!!!! Inconsistency!!!!" but ignores the next 2-3 where I clarify
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UNVOTE: Rb
I feel Can It would be easier to understand if he adopted a number of specific images, say 26, and produced different meanings by varying their order and quantity.
@Narna: Why weren’t you voting me seriously if your grapes read is based on his read of me at the point you could have been?
@Hebi: Did you have thoughts on grapes before Narna’s case?
Unimportant, but weren’t only 4 of the people on Rbs wagon voting based on what RB is saying literally everyone does?- Hopkirk
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Not really sure what're you're talking about unless you mean myIn post 1166, rb wrote:and how are you not wondering what hopkirk is doing with that entrance
"i dont think hopkirk would do that" why? i've caught plenty of 'experienced' players with awkward entrances like that before, but this is somehow different because....who the fuck knows actuallyf a k e r e a d s, which i've addressed.
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Now, I don't think you're mafia right here, but I've got to take issue with your scumread on me here. Clearly, its totally based on my meta, which I'm sure you're very much aware of. I'm not quite irritated that you don't understand that my meta involves a healthy dose off a k e r e a d s. Your failure to recognise this simple fake makes you, quite frankly, the worst person who has ever lived. This might be controversial, some may say that slaughtering thousands of innocent people is worse, but I disagree. This is a game of mafia after all. There's absolutely no place for whatever it is i'm inexplicably claiming you are doing in a game like mafia. Truthfully, I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but I'm not sure that really matters. What matters is that anyone reading this post, hopefully including RB, has to read a good solid paragraph of shit. I'm sorry I couldn't write pages of this, but that just sounds like absolutely no fun. Even less fun than some other people seem to be having.- Hopkirk
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Oh, its finally over. I probably should have checked for replace outs beforehand.
My ‘odd entrance’ could also be where I softclaimed my role in a way that’s obvious to anyone who enjoys early 70s British sort of detective shows to an astounding degree.
I wanted to vote Arcade from around the time I unvote RB. Now it just looks like I’m wagoning. Though it is foreshadowed in my third post.
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My word is not working so I'm going to become what I hate and post a lot of posts.
Having me as neutral and having made no attempt to interact with me is odd. Bins also makes the same read.In post 1520, gonkbadoop taskmaster wrote:quite town: spiff, bins, lasaga
decently town: peregrine, narna, torgonitoh
sort of town: grapes, zachary, gerryoat, lycan, little uzi vert
no sense: pork, hopkirk, warrior, cheeto ree
ooge: hebichan, slysly, game replacement
a little worse than ooge: carcalily, arcade fire
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Not that many people have tried to interact with me. Most (I think) of those who have, I townread.
I like LUV.
I thought you didn't like gimmicky/shitposty stuff.In post 1590, SlySly wrote:I am willing to sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR. He knows what he want to do with his life. He wants to ROCK.- Hopkirk
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This is not a good defence.In post 1750, Arcade Pals wrote:Get the fuck off my wagon right now you scum fucks we're not scum cause if I was I'd kick all your asses now lynch fucking transcend Game replacement is town and these wagons are getting powerlynched by scum because everyone is okay with the same 2 wagons because SCUM LIKE BOTH OF THEM jesus people mafia 101 and you can't do shit
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Carcalilly does not seem genuinely concerned about a hammer.In post 1777, Carcalilly wrote:WAIT NO WAS THAT A HAMMER
I do not like this either.In post 1783, Carcalilly wrote:
this was kinda ew but if u do flip town then I'm K with lynching transIn post 1750, Arcade Pals wrote:Get the fuck off my wagon right now you scum fucks we're not scum cause if I was I'd kick all your asses now lynch fucking transcend Game replacement is town and these wagons are getting powerlynched by scum because everyone is okay with the same 2 wagons because SCUM LIKE BOTH OF THEM jesus people mafia 101 and you can't do shit
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I don't see why any of this was posted. It feels fake.In post 1992, gonkbadoop taskmaster wrote:wait fock i mixed up the hydras
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there are two different art styles i think and chamber is the one that is talking about porkens
is that suggesting that porkens and pv5 are different balls of scum?
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I don't see why you would expect town to think of 'If I was scum' scenarios.In post 2090, Can It wrote:- Hopkirk
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This should have come with content if actually checking in.In post 2108, gonkbadoop taskmaster wrote:
that reminds me i should clear my history at some pointIn post 2105, Zachstralkita wrote:fucking hieroglyphs
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The amount of pointless posts is what caused me to go nearly 3 days without posting. I agree losing motivation is a major problem when I can't post without first reading 30 pages (which has happened every night), at which point I'm unable to interact with anyone in real time due to burning out for the day just catching up.In post 2124, TPFKAP wrote:The first 20 pages indicate to me that gonk manipulated Zach into claiming. It looks like he used Arcade, either intentionally or unwittingly, to help him leverage Zach. Therefore, I'd rather lynch gonk, but I'm ok on Arcade.
I chose to include PV in the story because he played an integral part in the pressure dynamics in that conversation.
Several of the players in this game are treating this like chat-room mafia, and I am unable to process this much text in depth. Likewise, I am not able to chime in on every topic or react to every development in real time. I have notes on everyone whose posts I have read so far, and I am currently reading several people carefully. When I have another confident lead, I will share that.- Hopkirk
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Accompanied by no analysis, in the context of having unclear general reads. Not really trying to change the subject. Plus the discussion on Bins lasted too long.In post 2149, Gorkington wrote:CAN WE GET BACK TO LYNCHING SOMEONE
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT
BECAUSE TALKING WITH LUV IS PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE ME VOMIT 5 PAGES WORTH OF ANGER
Does Vedith have an alt here? There’s almost a full page that I can’t follow because they aren’t in the player list.
I have not read anything past page 91. I will do that tomorrow, and hopefully catch up if there aren't 30 more pages.- Hopkirk
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Hebi is complaining a lot while not doing a lot.
Does this come from scum RB with the later explosion as context? Seems less likely than from town.In post 840, rb wrote:Unfortunately i mostly townread my entire wagon except for Hopkirk- Hopkirk
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If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.- Hopkirk
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Why is there so much talk of compromise? And why does that compromise keep coming in the form of wagoning the same people instead of different ones.
I can’t see how the RB thing was ‘manufactured’ and am interested in seeing how/if TPF justified this/ what he means be manufactured. (if hasn’t after reading his next few and I want to know)
Not many people seem to want to start wagons despite lots of people hopping on. AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.
LUV complaining about pagecount while posting around four times the average is funny.- Hopkirk
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carlily not always no death pick carlily many up picksIn post 2852, torgonitoh wrote:
carlily is no pickIn post 2847, lettuce salad wrote:Not Voting (2)- PeregrineV, Carcalilly[/b]
carlily is no find badmans
carlily is no find goodmans
carlily is no do a thing?
why keep?
all pick we sleep i find badmans when no post ok
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Theatre involving multiple replace outs and a site ban seems like pretty next level theatre. Their partner(s) must be really persuasive if this happened. Option 2 also need analysis with it, hence doesn’t sound like what you initially called scum theatre.
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOMIn post 3006, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 3002, SlySly wrote:
I'm leaning that way, too. The "ninja" has my vote though.In post 2999, Zachstralkita wrote:Carca is scum btw
I was a full proponent of Arcade Pals scum, but Dunn and Maria aren't stupid enough to claim a modifier that incriminates them when they could have otherwise left it out. Their claim is the only thing giving me pause.
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I want to know Lily’s read on me. Seems odd to not be stated given I was one of her two nulls earlier.
Much more likely his explosion comes from irritated town based on what I know of him/have heard.In post 3269, TPFKAP wrote:
Could you explain your townread on GR for me?In post 3262, Hopkirk wrote:If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.
Sorry but I don't follow the theory:How would scum "prove" that ap and gr were scum?
Carcalilly, you need to put some effort in at this point or you are just making it harder to lynch scum (if you are town). So really, either way, you need to post content. Pick someone and ISOthem, give a read, etc.
Actually what I was saying doesn't fully make sense because there would need to be someone else in the quicktopic made. Would a scum neighbourizer style role be able to put 2 people other than self in a PT?
What I was thinking is that: AP says GR is in the PT. GR gets lynched and flips town, which results in an AP lynch. Doesn't make sense actually, but i've been reading a lot.- Hopkirk
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So you're trying to refute me saying you're switching too much to avoid a lynch by pointing out you've been switching between 6 people?In post 3280, Arcade Pals wrote:
I don't think this is an accurate depiction of our iso considering we wanted to lynch:In post 3274, Hopkirk wrote:Not many people seem to want to start wagons despite lots of people hopping on. AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.
Zach
Lil Uzi Vert
lycanfire
Powerful Warrior
Transcend
TPFKAP
All today, and we started or were one of the ones who started the wagons on every single one of those (some never took off)
It seems to me like you are just saying things to try to maintain a scumread/vote on us throughout the day - it doesn't actually match up to what happened
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We never pushed on narna. I'd like a quote if you're going to argue otherwiseIn post 2975, TPFKAP wrote:
that will take me a while to go back and find, but I recall there was a shift in the conversation and instead of following the shift, you said something to the effect of "but narna you guys".In post 2947, Arcade Pals wrote:
What does this mean?In post 2944, TPFKAP wrote:tryign to stirr things back up on narna
That's what I'm saying is scummy. You aren't comitted to the votes, and seem to switch between one and another at a whim, rather than through an understandable method.- Hopkirk
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Over 3000 posts, no. I'm talking over a shorter period. Unless all your scumreads are equally scum and you don't care to sort further, which doesn't make a lot of sense.In post 3293, Arcade Pals wrote:
We're 3000 posts in; I don't think it's unreasonable to have voted 6 different people.In post 3291, Hopkirk wrote:seem to switch between one and another at a whim- Hopkirk
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'AP for one just seems to be trying to avoid getting lynched.'In post 3294, Arcade Pals wrote:
And no it wasn't, you never said thisIn post 3291, Hopkirk wrote:That's what I'm saying is scummy.
You're just pointing to everything we say as scummy- Hopkirk
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Which parts here are alignment indicative? 2 sounds like busywork questions, and 3 is somewhat mitigated by 1.In post 3300, TPFKAP wrote:Ok, finished.
I think Carcalilly is town. Since her #16 or so, she actually has posted more content than I thought.
She has been consistent in giving reads. Some of her explanations have been, well, unhelpful: "it's just the stuff they say and the way they say it". However, she interacted with a wide swath of the game, in reaction to game events, with opinions, and that is content. I don't find any obvious contradictions in those opinions. In fact, all of them make some kind of legitimate sense to me.
She also has done at least a little scum hunting / investigation. During the neighborizer fiasco, she pressed hebi on her hesitation to be Masoned. She asked for a meta read on PV. She asks if Ninja is a scum roll.
She's consistently shared her reads on other players, and they aren't bad.
Her scetchy interaction with narna is the worst part of her play as far as I can see. But even that has a very simple town explanation.
Town by me.
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RB and all his alts were site banned for over a month. I assume some of the 'multiple reports' came from the 2 most vocal people about it, and reporting a scum partner for an agreed startegy just isn't believable.In post 3303, TPFKAP wrote:
Was someone actually banned?In post 3278, Hopkirk wrote:Theatre involving multiple replace outs and a site ban seems like pretty next level theatre. Their partner(s) must be really persuasive if this happened. Option 2 also need analysis with it, hence doesn’t sound like what you initially called scum theatre.
As of page 120 I dislike the guy with the big wagon thing.
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Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.In post 3307, TPFKAP wrote:Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.- Hopkirk
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Which means it wasn't planned, which was your theory. I'm happy to move on now.In post 3312, TPFKAP wrote:
Sure, and/or in the scum chat. Ok back to moving on.In post 3309, Hopkirk wrote:
Given it mentions abusive PMs too, and RB wasn't in any other games, it seems logical to conclude this continued out of thread.In post 3307, TPFKAP wrote:Just over a month? Doesn't change my mind. However, I don't know any of the people involved, and everyone who talks about it says I'm wrong about this, so ok, I'll move on for now.- Hopkirk
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I'm not planning to read the last 25 pages except maybe 3 before the lynch, and what I saw in a night phone skim. Did anything important happen in this period, and who claimed Prs?
@Zach: I didn't think you were mafia, but voted you on principle. There's no reason not to answer questions, and it's disrespectful to totally ignore them.
VOTE: Hebi
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Paranoid? DidIn post 4008, SlySly wrote:
This seems awfully paranoid. You scum?In post 4005, Hopkirk wrote:The reason for not reading is because I lot of what I saw while skimming what more personal fights and/or 'meme' posting.
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Transcend, you still a miller?youread it?- Hopkirk
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Why would you claim then, that makes it more likely she'd give up rather than implicate a scumparter.In post 4017, RadiantCowbells wrote:
What's wrong with this?In post 4014, TPFKAP wrote:You claimed just to give hebi a chance to claim?
Why are you acting like hebi should be quicklynched because she belongs to a private topic when she has no way out as scum besides claiming neighbor with a scumpartner?- Hopkirk
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Warrior/Gerrygoar/Vecna/Torg I want to look at more.
VOTE: powerful warrior
This is PW's effective entrance. On an ISO, I don't like it. I don't see how these were the things (and the only things) he'd want to weigh in on. What he's saying is pretty all over the place, resulting in reads that don't make a lot of sense. There's no serious attempt to follow on any reads, pretty much throughout.In post 1486, POWERFUL WARRIOR wrote:first off holy shit yall spam a lot.
sure about that?
that was me not spiffeh!!!!!In post 219, hebichan wrote:homestuck
i know we look alike
rb is probably scum???? his reaction to hebi was real bad???
gerryoat too
YUCKIn post 507, rb wrote:i'm pretty disappointed with lycanfire atm
comes in, naked votes, revotes, unvotes, *POOF* vanishes
SCUM SCUM SCUM
VOTE: rb
YOURE JUST MAD CUZ UR NUT #BULKEDIn post 581, Bins wrote:oh lmfao I know who I wanna rvs vote
VOTE: Powerful Warrior
a fraud, never been to the gym in his LIFE
oh lmfao I know who I wanna rvs vote VOTE: Powerful Warriora fraud, never been to the gym in his LIFE
same problemIn post 646, Spiffeh wrote:I think the problem is that I've played with like ~5 people in this playerlist and all of them have barely posted while the posts of everyone I don't know follow a similar style and run together and my puny brain can't differentiate them
too many WEAK WILLED people
Arcade pals is town, goobadoot or whatever is likely scum?you're town! how are you anyway, hebi?
should've painted that
ughIn post 1238, kraska77 wrote:cant take this anymore. and this game used to be fun.
two words rb: fuck you.
replace our hydra with transcend pls. im out
double ugh at rb
I'm here I'm here!!!In post 1328, Can It wrote:In post 810, POWERFUL WARRIOR wrote:APOLOGIES ENDED UP HAVING SOCIAL LIFE
lynch: RB slot, gerryoat, carcarilly
There's been no follow up on the stuff he said about Spiffeh which is weird given Spiffeh doesn't respond to it.In post 1524, POWERFUL WARRIOR wrote:spiffeh/gonkadoop very likely scum[/quote
Powerful has also done pretty much nothing, as had other people like me or canit. Nobody else is mentioned for doing nothing. Spiffeh is mentioned briefly here (in the same manner as a few other posts), then Powerful seems to tunnel on them all game without real reasoning.In post 1576, POWERFUL WARRIOR wrote:spiffeh has done nothing at all
In post 2704, POWERFUL WARRIOR wrote:
spiffeh is one of my best friends on this site.In post 2697, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't think you 2 realize how fast this game is going.
I imagine it has just been easier for him to play elsewhere but yeah if he doesn't replace out soon I'll worry.
Spiffeh and I have hydrad a bunch and completely dominated games
I've seen spiffeh scumclaim in games and then I had to dig him out of that hole. We've talked for hours on how to make sure he doesn't blow up his spot as scum.
He knows I can read him so when hes in a game with me hes going to try and make noise and look town. That's his cheet content...guess what? That's kinda all he said. Spiffeh rightfully earned paragon...this game he isn't anything like town spiffeh.
Also seems very sure on Spiff, yet isn't following up on it in a more serious manner than unsubstantiated comments/weak (no offense intended to your powerfulness) votes. The RB read is also never pushed seriously.- Hopkirk
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What is weird about my suspicions?In post 5307, grapes wrote:saying no scum bused is especially silly
hopkirks reads are weird that might actually be scum
bins might be scum but not with gerry
Thank GOD pere didn't get replaced...
I'm not sure it's the GAME that's getting apathetic but this DAY.
So let's just hammer luv I guess; I'm busy as fuck the next few days anyway and my favorite vote has got people looking at me like I'm that crazy dude who sits in the corner at the bar whispering to the walls.
But since luv is my scumbuddy I guess I'm obligated to ask if the few people I saw sring gonk would mind getting something going there?
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