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Post 9 feels opportunistic to me because even though it's RVS it's one of those posts that is level one scummy but really isn't; in fact, voting when someone says the next person to post is lynched is actually towny for drawing attention, and even though they did do an OMGUS vote it's not really anything with scum motiviation. Wagoning something that is "typically" scummy but really isn't scummy is bad. Post 11 also makes no sense. 20 is also horrible because that makes literally no sense, it's RVS and it's a TOWN mentality not a scum one -_-
Whymafia is drawing too much attention to himself in 10 to be scum also I can easily meta read him and he is town.
31 makes no sense because the confident statement is TRUE, so even if it dosen't "sit right" with you I don't understand why
32 is just horrible because they are the two towniest so far, although 37 seems too self aware for the situation.
48 is a wtf LAMIST post tha tmakes no sense, you discarded vigilante cause it's swingy? It's one ofthe best towon roles and why the fuck would you be worried about swing? VOTE: Agent Sparkles
60 I've thought about this when I first came in so your probably town.
64 is filler from scum tha twants to ask questions, it's pretty obvious why they would be scum even if it's a flawed process at this point.
Mindmeld with Chic on 66
69... why? That is 100% something a town would say.
I don't really care about 87 except to say good job identifying sparkles scum
Yeah 90 is like obvious correct 101, vonflare is town.
109 nah this is bullshit
I think 116 comes from a town mindset but I disagree. Town and scum are equally likely to put someone at L-1.
WTF is the point out 141
Keychain can be scum. Gut.
131 is wrong in a scummy way, there is nothing wrong with an early meta read, and even if Chic was scum there can be 3 scum factions
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201 is such a shit vote
208 is such a fucking overraction and taking something literally when it wans't, and you were under pressure. I do this as scum. Your probab;y scum.- Mulch
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I posted six times, mate. I've gone over 1700 in a game. Your lucky I'm getting negative feedbackIn post 234, Keychain wrote:Sorry. But your multiposting is nearly as bad.- Mulch
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To CreatureIn post 236, Mulch wrote:Explain why you asked the question in 200. What did you hope to gain from it?- Mulch
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Ok, you better have an easily confirmable amazing town role when you claim. Vigilante would be one of my top town choices in this setup. It's hard for me to imagine that when you were choosing this you were thinking "oh, gee golly, I really hope I dont'In post 240, Agent Sparkles wrote: @Mulch: I'm not worried about it swinging the game in town's favor. I think it was pretty clear from my post that I was talking about the exact opposite, possibly screwing town over more if my reads are bad. It's not a bad role in itself, but there are lots of better ones.shoot wrongif myreads are bad!. More like: This alien looks pretty cool, let's go with that.
In post 240, Agent Sparkles wrote: Also, how do you get "filler from scum wanting to ask questions" out of 64? Srceen had made one half-RVS-looking comment about WhyMafia and nothing about Vaxkiller. I was asking because I wanted to see if there was something I was missing.
You asked why Screenplay thought WhyMafia was scum when 1) It was obvious what his thoughts were 2)you quoted a quote in which he explained explicitly this.You already KNEW the answer to the question, why are you asking?- Mulch
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1) This is just not the mentality you have when choosing your choices.In post 242, Keychain wrote:If you're not confident in your reads you might not want a vig role because you can screw over town so easily with bad choices
2) When I played with Sparkles in my first normal game, he was extremely confident and identified me as scum day 1 and said after the game he wished he had kept pushing on me. He's a confident person. Let alone objecitvely that's not your mentality you have in this sort of game, you choose the most fun role, it's specifically not true for Sparkles- Mulch
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Gut.In post 242, Keychain wrote:Also how did you go from "town mindset" to gut scum on me in no time flat?- Mulch
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The language used here dosen't match up with the actions. He claims to not like any of his posts, which should be a huge scumread, yet he says that because of a perspective slip he is town. That's fine. What's not fine is the fact that his word usage does not indicate the level of confidence needed to switch a read like this.In post 243, Agent Sparkles wrote:Thinking Srceenplay is probably town after going over his ISO. I don't like the majority of his posts, but I think 131/142 could be a perspective slip indicating that he doesn't have a neutral/third party scum role, or he probably wouldn't have slipped back into the more generic "town vs. mafia" mindset. Granted, this doesn't rule out mafia roles, but it gives him much better than the base chance of being town if I'm right.
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This is the type of confidence you have to completely reverse your read on him?- Mulch
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If we lynch someone else it's youIn post 262, Agent Sparkles wrote:I'll be on at deadline if we need to make another lynch happen. For now we wait for a claim.- Mulch
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Bullshit claim, it is a non confirmable claim that you will never be caught on, because the vast majority if not all of us here are not werewolvesIn post 264, Chickadee wrote:I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.- Mulch
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Do you disagree with my posts? What do you see town in Sparkles?In post 273, vonflare wrote:sparkles is not the lynch today- Mulch
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2 people discarded werewolves. Take away your claim. That means there are 6 people left. There are 18/146 chances for there to be werewolves in the card. I'm horrible at math but that's a low probability. That means ther are 128/146 chances for there NOT to be a werewolf. Which means the odds of that happeningn 6 times is 45%.
This means that the probability of there even being ONE werewolf is only 55%.
That means that your claim, if fake, has a 45% chance of NEVER being able to be proven wrong, and even if there are 1 or 2 werewolves, means that you would have to somehow pick someone that is a werewolf and claim they are not werewolf, which is super low anyway.
Your claim has an extremely low risk rate if it's fake.- Mulch
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In post 275, Mulch wrote:
Do you disagree with my posts? What do you see town in Sparkles?In post 273, vonflare wrote:sparkles is not the lynch todayVonflare- Mulch
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In this case I would apply Occam's razor m8In post 285, vonflare wrote:
my read is based on the strong discard.In post 284, Mulch wrote:In post 275, Mulch wrote:
Do you disagree with my posts? What do you see town in Sparkles?In post 273, vonflare wrote:sparkles is not the lynch todayVonflare
scum wouldn't discard a strong town role IMO as they know they would be first-post scumread and I think its more likely that if you were given a scum role and a STRONG town role you pick the strong town, especially in a low-player-count multi-faction greater idea where any scum has a high chance of being essentially an SK without teammates- Mulch
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Do you not know what I mean by "safe"?In post 291, Chickadee wrote:
I disagree.In post 283, Mulch wrote:the claim is super safe
As it was stated, if there are werewolves, they now want me dead. I've made myself a target.- Mulch
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In post 304, Keychain wrote:That was a wicked response time from Nexus, wow.
So do you still want to let Chick live to see what happens?
These are pretty bad, deferring responsiblity on a lynch instead of taking a stance yourself, etcetcIn post 305, Keychain wrote:Especially considering that night actions may be a total mess?- Mulch
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You said this exact line when you were scum with me.In post 310, Chickadee wrote:Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.- Mulch
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I want Sparkles. I think there is a very good chance he is scum. If not, Chicadee is the best wagon, as even with town they will always have suspicion that they are scum because there is no way to prove their role, + they used that trick about being lynchbait literally as scum with me before.
Keychain had a really great piece of analysis in 314 when she grilled Chic about how if Chic did not like town they would be more likely to discard town for scum. It shows they are thinking from a good mindset and actually trying to catch Chic in discreptancies and not just try for level one stuff; it took real brainpower and analyzation to try and connect those things and proves they are actually trying to solve Chic.- Mulch
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In post 338, Chickadee wrote:
We've never had a scum game togetherIn post 336, Mulch wrote:
You said this exact line when you were scum with me.In post 310, Chickadee wrote:Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.
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They were scum, I was town, they are acting the exact same way.- Mulch
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What did you think of his walls, and why do you think I'm tunneled, and more importantly why do you think tunneling is scummy for me? What about my reason do you disagree with?In post 372, Chickadee wrote:
He very well could be.In post 367, Vaxkiller wrote:Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.
I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.- Mulch
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Is your rationale purely gut? Why are you so confident?
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Why? I don't think it is at all, mostly because I'm not tunneled. What do you disagree with that I've said? What do you think coulden't be coming from a solving PoV?In post 378, Chickadee wrote:I think that your tunneling here its scummy.- Mulch
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There is no point to this question. You are scum.In post 386, Chickadee wrote:
Do you intend to do anything before going? Or are you just announcing it?In post 382, Creature wrote:I'm soon going.- Mulch
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In post 374, Mulch wrote:
What did you think of his walls, and why do you think I'm tunneled, and more importantly why do you think tunneling is scummy for me? What about my reason do you disagree with?In post 372, Chickadee wrote:
He very well could be.In post 367, Vaxkiller wrote:Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.
I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.In post 378, Chickadee wrote:
I think his walls were a way of trying to look busy, and I had him sorted as null. I think you tried to damn me for claiming what I did, and when it didn't work you went back to pushing sparkles.In post 374, Mulch wrote:
What did you think of his walls, and why do you think I'm tunneled, and more importantly why do you think tunneling is scummy for me? What about my reason do you disagree with?In post 372, Chickadee wrote:
He very well could be.In post 367, Vaxkiller wrote:Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.
I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.
I never said tunneling is scummyfor you.I think that your tunneling here its scummy.
However, Keychain is a higher priority for me.In post 380, Mulch wrote:I think theres a decent change your spewing buzzword bullshit without having anything to back it up, but I want to see your response.In post 381, Chickadee wrote:Stop asking me the same question over and over.
You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else. All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.
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You never asked me anything lolIn post 399, Chickadee wrote:Now answer mine- Mulch
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Maybe. But I read it as an attempt to sort if Creature was scum (Ie Chick saying that what Creature was doing was scummy), in which the question gives literally no information of that. Like, what did Chic expect Creature to say?In post 403, Vaxkiller wrote:
Odd post, I think she is speaking from frustration.In post 388, Mulch wrote:
There is no point to this question. You are scum.In post 386, Chickadee wrote:
Do you intend to do anything before going? Or are you just announcing it?In post 382, Creature wrote:I'm soon going.- Mulch
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In post 384, Mulch wrote:I townread Von, Vax, Creature, and WhyMafia.- Mulch
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I doubt it, because I'm not scum.In post 405, Agent Sparkles wrote:I would switch to Mulch if there's enough support for it. His content so far has been really scummy for reasons I'm about to go into.- Mulch
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Dude, I think it's a fine case.
But Chicadee literally has not said why my tunneling has scummy, yet has claimed that they have. That's because they have no reasons. And yet they literally flat out Said they had said why when they literally HAVE not. Look in their ISO. They have NOT talked about it, because it dosen't exist in their brain and it's bullshit, and yet theyflat out lied and said they had.- Mulch
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I'm going to make it simple.
Chicadee scumread me for tunneling. After that post, I asked them why they thought so. She then went on to repeat that she thought my tunneling was scummy. I, again, asked why. I vote her and tell her that you are basically bullshitting a scumread on me and have nothing to back it up. She claims she has talked about it. I refute this.
Here is a link to Chicadee's ISO. Someone show me where they have explained it despite their assertion that they had.- Mulch
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Fair enough, but why would Chicadee lie and say they had done it?In post 441, vonflare wrote:@mulch
I think chickadee just thinks tunneling in general is scummy? That's what I'm getting from chick's iso.
It's a weird reason to scumread someone, definitely.
keychain is still scum though, but chick is definitely not confirmed town or anything. I just don't really like how the wagon formed on chick, it felt scum-driven.- Mulch
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What reasons? lolIn post 446, vonflare wrote:
I mean reading those posts you linked chickadee seemed pretty consistent in her, albiet misguided, reasons for scumreading youIn post 444, Mulch wrote:
Fair enough, but why would Chicadee lie and say they had done it?In post 441, vonflare wrote:@mulch
I think chickadee just thinks tunneling in general is scummy? That's what I'm getting from chick's iso.
It's a weird reason to scumread someone, definitely.
keychain is still scum though, but chick is definitely not confirmed town or anything. I just don't really like how the wagon formed on chick, it felt scum-driven.- Mulch
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Nah, in this post she explicitly said that tunneling was not scummy for me but specifically the way I was tunneling this time. And she has no reasons for why I was scummy in the WAY I was tunneling this time.In post 449, vonflare wrote:she just kinda vaguely stated that tunneling is scummy each time - Mulch
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