Micro 735: Greater Idea (Day 2 Begins)

[Keychain]

Ooh, let's see if it comes true!

[Keychain]

*gasp* I never saw

that

coming!

Though...

Why would you pick a random vote like that instead of based on the discard list?

VOTE: Agent Sparkles

You discarded a town role of reasonable power.
(And also OMGUS )

[Keychain]

Does it still count as a naked vote if you multipost?

Don't worry Srceenplay, the wagon remains intact despite derailment attempts. Your name is tough to type on my phone.

[Keychain]

L'appel du vide, maybe?

I think at that moment

I

was the easy target.

Dammit.

[Keychain]

Like, this post is just so bad. Not only is he using setup spec to try to deflect away from actual scumhunting but also is just going straight for the strongest discard when optimal play is obviously to leave the strongest discard until day 2.

she*

And I don't know when optimal play was decided, but I don't think I got CCed in. Why would that be the case?

I was working off the wiki page on the setup, which says it "almost entirely removes the need for random votes". I'm not a wizard, it was just me and Sparkles in the game so far, so I went for the only bit of information I had to do my scumhunting.

I imagine it's much easier when you wait until there's a wagon to jump onto

[Keychain]

Joined this game because I expected the playerlist to not be regrettable.

Um... thanks?

[Keychain]

keychain do you still think sparkles is scum?

Nah. I understand the decision. There's plenty of good reasons to not want that role that don't necessarily include being scum.

Also

the sparkles situation is self-resolving. He discarded a powerful town role so either he has:

A) an even stronger town role

B) a scum role

This assumption is totally false.


Why is Sparkles lynchbait? Like is he generally lynchbaity or something or is it due to the discard?

[Keychain]

From my experience playing with creature, he hates rolling scum and is disinterested. Given the choice, as he very well could have been in this set-up, I believe he'd pick town.

Interesting. But if he likes playing mafia/teamscum (is there a term for this?) more than he likes SK, he might have picked it anyway.


UNVOTE:
VOTE: WhyMafia
Unnecessarily defensive on the hammer comment. Srceenplay and Chickadee are coming across well though.

[Keychain]

Um. Wow. I'm a wee bit stunned after that. That is some serious maths. Do the results lead you to any further opinions on the players?

Also, as this is my first game back following a roughly 5 year absence I fully expect to have little to no meta-knowledge regarding current play trends. My limited perusal of MD basically tells me that I should be expecting a lot of short multi-posting, but that's about it. In that vein, do not expect this from me. I come from a time of text walls and, so when I have the time, that's what I intend to post, and I probably have the time for at least a while.

Welcome back. I also tend towards longer, more infrequent posts, but I've started mobile posting a lot more.

[Keychain]

purpose of the vote was to put keychain at L-1.

I'm sorry you what?

I thought, from your apology, it was a mistake of counting and so let it slide, they happen.

But you knew you were doing it and you thought it was in the interests of town to not announce it, and leave it open for someone to accidentally hammer on page 1? You were

that sure

from my three posts? That is the least townie thing I've ever heard.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vonflare

[Keychain]

With that in mind:

I TR Von

Why?

[Keychain]

It's also a good starting point for town. What were you going to do if no one did? Because I could also argue that your strategy is also a good one for scum - to wait until someone uses the only information available, then to jump on them.

Also sorry for not announcing L1

In fact, the wording is not ambiguous. You are misrepping me more than anything

It is ambiguous - you apologised for not announcing it but you left the reasoning to be inferred. That's the ambiguity.
I saw it as "sorry because I didn't realise".
You say it's "sorry because I thought it was obvious".

[Keychain]

I guess it's 73.

Because it was accurate, or something else?

I switched my vote to the nextest scumread after she posted something.

More on why he was the nextest scumread please.

[Keychain]

waiting for Kairyuu to answer

Kairyuu can only post infrequently, as he stated in his initial post, so he already had time to gauge responses. And "why did you do that" was a pretty standard question after that maths wall, I asked it as well in 89.

Do you think that Kairyuu changed his answer to your question because of Vax's interference? I don't. Seems an odd direction to be looking for scum, when the only reason it would incriminate Vax is by being in the same faction as Kairyuu and also not believing Kairyuu had enough information to suitably respond to your question - both of which are kind of a stretch.

If I wasn't already so happy with my vote being on vonflare, it would be back on you, my friend. Your scumhunting is symbolic at best.


@Vax: Please still answer WM's question!

[Keychain]

@Keychain - why are you jumping to defend them?

It wasn't intended as a defense of Kairyuu so much as an attack on WM. WM asked a question of Kairyuu to flesh out a potential scumread. This is good and useful. Vax asked von a question, also regarding Kairyuu. This is good and useful. Then instead of following up on his own question, WM FOSes Vax for also asking questions to advance the game. This is bad and doesn't make sense.

I mean, you might as well be asking me why I'm leaping to Vax's defense.

It's a stretch yes, but I still wanted to gauge comments and reactions. The game seems to be stalling at the moment after all. It still sidesteps the question of why he felt the need to interfere with something I was pursuing. It's a weak correlation, but something that pinged me and that I took note of. How else should I be looking for scum? If there's not much in the game, one should dig deeper.

Stalling the game by trying to inhibit discussion - which is what you did, by suggesting that the topic should be not spoken about until Kairyuu responded - is a tactic that only benefits scum.
Why would you FOS someone for asking a related question instead of following up on that thing that pinged you about Kairyuu and the answer he gave?

That

would be digging deeper and I'm not sure why you haven't done it.

Well you made no indication that you were actively on to something. Asking why someone did something doesn't have to come from town trying to find scum. It can be the simple question of what's the point from curiosity's standpoint.

This is fair though.


Regarding being jittery - I am kind of a jittery person in general, but I think you might be referring my attempts to get the game out of this slow point? It worked, though. Three unique people responded in under half an hour!

[Keychain]

Wait, missed this the first time I read it.

I didn't like Chicks Town read on Creature.
I'm not saying I don't agree with the reasoning but it felt premature.
It seemed like someone knowing who is Town and trying to explain away why they know that.

There are multiple potential factions in play. Chick being in one of them does not preclude Creature from belonging to another, so she wouldn't necessarily know his alignment. Does this change your interpretation at all?

[Keychain]

PEdit: Whoa hey, sorry for two text walls in a row guys.

IDK, but this is giving me huge scum pings. Why are you looking to get town cred like that? You are blatantly lying. The only person who you got to respond to Creature, and even then, it was something that you didn't follow up on/it didn't make a huge impact. It's just making people look at you at a more positive light

I'm referring to posts 135, 136 and 137 in response to my 134, not sure what you're talking about? I mean I realise I was slightly wrong with my half hour thing, your post was actually two minutes outside, but I wouldn't call that a blatant lie.
And an active game is a good game for everyone. Do you really think people gave me towncred, when you did the opposite?

Now you're twisting my words. I never said for people to not discuss Kairyuu, I never even said not to discuss anything. I just found it slightly scummy that Kairyuu was subtly being given a way out. In fact, it gave me more things to judge for reads, and look where we are now

Indeed, here we are, with this great discussion going on
My goodness I'm a serial word twister / misrepper, my apologies. What I mean regarding not discussing Kairyuu is that I found Vax's question to be so unrelated to your question - like the only thing it had in common was that it also mentioned Kairyuu's super long post, it wasn't even addressed to you or Kairyuu - that it seemed that you were trying to shut down that topic.

I'm not sure if you're trying to waste our time by going back on previous content. You're subtly telling me to re-read his post, but a lack of a subsequent reply to his reply showcases that I wasn't bothered, does it not? In case it didn't, I found his response to be towny.

I'm not subtly telling you to reread anything, I'm asking why you dropped it when he answered.

No, it does not, the conclusion I came to was that you'd abandoned that line of investigation for no reason. Thanks for clearing it up. You're right in that I did a similar thing with Creature, though I just wanted him to elaborate a bit more and you were following up on a scum ping so I was expecting an update on that.

It's not really "previous content" at this point - Kairyuu's most recent post was the one in which he answered your question, and you in fact reached further back for your FOS.

Do you think that you found Kairyuu's response towny

because

of Vax's interference? Like Vax actually did give Kairyuu an out? If so, your reaction makes a lot more sense.

keychain what's your opinion of chick's townread on creature

I don't know Creature (I don't know

any

of you) but while he had posted a bit as of her read, none of it had really been tremendously game-relevant. Just some setup spec and talk about discards, some pressure on us to not be regrettable/boring, and a naked vote on Chick herself. It doesn't really sound like activity. And while knowing his preference for town is useful, it would have been much stronger if his discard had been town. So I think the read itself is weak. But the way she said it sounded genuine, like she was really trying to start somewhere. I'd like to see how her read on him evolves from that starting point.

[Keychain]

@Kairyuu, while you're writing:

Being accurate isn't the factor to be town, it's more the time of use (of the read).

Could you elaborate on this? What about the timing struck you as odd, and what made you think it was scummy?

Is this backwards? Creature moved his vote off Chick after her townread of him, suggesting he thought it was towny. Though in saying that, that's really odd, because in that case it's like she pulled out a townread of him because he voted her and he thought that was fine.

Specifically, as town, discarding a town power role indicates that the other role offered must be stronger or of a different alignment. Otherwise you weaken your own faction.

Disagree. There are differences in types of roles as well. Players might have preferences between investigative, protective, killing and so on, in a way that can't be simplified down to just picking the strongest.


You seem to think along similar lines to me, which makes me paranoid. I'm going to go and see whether the posts you've made

before

me have been just as similar to what I've been thinking.

[Keychain]

creature plz

this

@Creature

: Everything game relevant you have said recently has been in direct answer to a question. That's too easy. So this is a direct invitation to be more proactive. I'm trying not to ask a question, since that's what you've been coasting off.
So in your next post. Say something

useful

that wasn't explicitly asked for.
(please)


Though yeah, lurkers need to get back here. Sparkles and Vax appear to have dropped off the face of the earth. WM's not so bad though, and Srceen's prodge was so early it was more of a V/LA announcement.

@Kairyuu

: I've gone back and read through your posts (this is indeed a thing I try and do). There is at least one instance of you saying something I was thinking before I did (regarding Creature's activity, that Chick was townreading him off, being mostly empty), which suggests it's probably that I respond faster than you. You're right in that we don't agree on everything.

But you don't seem to be engaging with me as much as I'd expect. You townread me early on for having similar reasoning, but to be honest there's been very little evaluation of what I've said beyond that. Like at all. I can see a tiny little bit in 146, maybe, but I'd expect more, considering the questions you've been posing to others. Can you explain?

@Chickadee

:

You've entirely avoided my actual question to focus on an opinion I expressed alongside it. Once again, how would adding to Keychain's wagon at the time make a player appear to be scumhunting? This is the crux of my issue with your post.

This line of inquiry just doesn't interest me. I'm having trouble staying focused on it, because it bores me so much.

???
I mean, yeah it's not a great question, but what is this response??

What am I being defended from precisely? WhyMafia wasn't even addressing me. He asked me a question yesterday, which I also answered yesterday, and was then addressing Vax today.

My point was really more that Keychain hadn't been addressed at all.

If we only speak when spoken to, this game will never happen. Sounds like it could be fun though as a mechanic - everyone starts off with a statement and then must address a question to one other player. From then on, people can only post in answer to a question, before posing a question of their own.

Basically I thought WM's behaviour was scummy so I went after it. I didn't think I needed to be addressed to be allowed to do that.

But in case that's why you've been standing off to one side, I'll address you:
You are not voting anyone currently, and you've also never voted anyone, and you also haven't really taken too much of a stance at all and we're more than halfway through the day. We need a lynch. Who is your top pick for scum, Chick? What about town?

[Keychain]

Nah. Nice try.

I can think of a number of posts as short as three words that I'd be happy with. No walls necessary.

Go on. Offer a game-relevant opinion.

[Keychain]

@Creature: Everything game relevant you have said recently has been in direct answer to a question. That's too easy. So this is a direct invitation to be more proactive.

I'm trying not to ask a question, since that's what you've been coasting off.

So in your next post. Say something

useful

that wasn't explicitly asked for.

(important bit bolded)

Say something useful that wasn't explicitly asked for.

If you mean making giant walls, forget it.

(Creature dodges)

Nah. Nice try.

I can think of a number of posts as short as three words that I'd be happy with. No walls necessary.

Go on. Offer a game-relevant opinion.

(Keychain follows up)

Does this mean your read on him was null, or scum? If null, why does that deserve a vote? If scum, what made you think that?

Null-scum. Even if he was null, sometimes I would treat nullreads as scumreads if I had multiple townreads.

So why do you town read others? You're complaining about so called "lurkers" yet you've just skated by

(WM asks question of Creature, thereby giving him an out)

@Vax why did you ask Von this when I stated in the previous post that I was waiting for Kairyuu to answer? It gave him time to see what others thought about the wall and post something that would look good. FoS

(remember that time when WM accused someone of interfering with something)



Friend
Do you realise what you haff done


Also

I mean you said that in response to my comment. Why would you care about being scum read by your own scum read? Seems fishy, as if you know I'm town. You'd have had to forget that there are other anti-town factions though .. which might've happened considering you skipped mafia goon.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here - like what do you mean, scumread by my own scumread? - but do you think I'd point the multiball setup out to Srceen if I'd forgotten it myself?
Though I suppose I could have remembered it, since it did happen in 139 whereas you're talking about something earlier.
Basically I don't quite understand this post, do you mind rephrasing it?

[Keychain]

^I got these by ISO screenplay and ctrl+F "whymafia"

he mentions him 8 times. 3 are quotes, 1 is a vote, and these quoted posts are the other 4 times.

If you go to vonflare's ISO and ctrl+F "keychain", you get a similar result!

I didn't say anything about having a case.

What.

Would you two (and everyone, really) mind reiterating their favourite lynch for today, and providing the main reason why?

Mine is vonflare, because he thought that deliberately bringing someone to L-1 without announcing it, leaving the wagon open to accidental hammer, was a good idea. Then he doesn't seem to have done a lot since then outside of saying I am scum, repeatedly, with no further reasoning beyond not liking my second post in the game. There's been a couple questions, two mild reads on Creature (74) and Kairyuu (115) - though on reread 77 is kind of a puzzle, am I misreading it and is it actually a townread on Chick not Creature and also how does it make any sense? - but otherwise not a whole lot of contribution.

Also Vax you've got a bunch of questions waiting for you to answer when you have the time - if you want I can go and quote them all, that way you won't have an excuse to miss a single one!

[Keychain]

You were already voting her. Chick and WhyM are the only two not voting. What did you not like about that post?


Actually, given this post:

IDK, but this is giving me huge scum pings. Why are you looking to get town cred like that? You are blatantly lying. The only person who you got to respond to Creature, and even then, it was something that you didn't follow up on/it didn't make a huge impact. It's just making people look at you at a more positive light

WhyMafia, why aren't you voting me if I'm giving you "huge scum pings"?

I tend to be a cautious voter. I vote when I'm ready, so don't rush me.
I'm TRing Creature and Vonflare and have a town lean on Screenplay.
For scum, I would be fine with you Keychain, you've been kind of off to me so far. Not seeing anything real solid yet.

I'll accept that you don't vote needlessly, but I've been trying to generate some activity so I can get reads. I find it suspect that you haven't gotten anything solid out of the content it's produced, and even more so that you haven't done a lot to

get

something solid. Town is trying to find the answer. Scum already knows. It's scummy that you aren't trying to sort.
Can you elaborate on "kind of off"? What is your townread of Creature based on?

[Keychain]

Actually, hmm. Thinking. I might have to revise that read of vonflare. If he was scum, once his L-1 had failed to get a quicklynch, it would have made more sense to pretend he hadn't realised to deflect attention. The honesty is towny, though could also be bold scum. For now, though:
UNVOTE:

I'm also liking WhyMafia more, his attempts at investigation are promising, but still keeping an eye on him because they don't quite make sense to me and seem to be a bit like grasping at straws.

It concerns me that Chickadee is not really doing anything. Creature as well, and Vax to a certain extent, but Chick's responses have been really subpar and it seems like she's content to let things go as they will. It feels uncomfortably like scum who like the direction town is heading in and don't want to get involved. Especially getting closer to the deadline.
VOTE: Chickadee
Chick! Help find the scum! You can hold off on voting until the final hour if you really really want, but can you do what you have to to get some solid reads?


(I continue to hope and pray that one day, Agent Sparkles will return to us...)

[Keychain]

@Chick: Sorry to hear your life has been crazy recently! I hope things even out for you.
By "scum already knows", I mean they already know their partners, if any. Doesn't matter if it's multiball - as long as no partner is getting lynched they're totally cool with whatever lynch goes down whether it's town or other scum. That's the feel I'm getting from you. Town doesn't know who the other townies are and is trying to work it out. I'm not getting the impression of "trying to work it out" from you at all.

I feel like the only questions being asked of me are things I've already answered.

I mean, apart from the one you just flat out dropped because it was "boring", sure. I haven't fact checked this yet though. Do you want to ask any questions of your own?


@Creature: I was happy with what you said (well, not happy, but it was a proactive statement) until I realised it was in response to WM's question do you have anything else, maybe?

[Keychain]

in an alternate reality this game is currently sparkles vs kairyuu and then we could make jokes about Kira VS L

Let's pretend they're both lynchers with each other as target. It still could be true. Never give up hope!

For Vax:

I'm not as confident as chick with her creature read. I've played alot with creature too, but a few posts ring off to me this game.

Can you elaborate on this a bit? Which posts and what do you mean by ringing off?

...

Finally, could you do me a favor and comment on post 33 please? Why would you be calling for Srceenplay to claim in order to lynch him, especially that early?

no, this happens in every game of great idea and its variants. someone makes a giant wall of text explaining the probability of each role corresponding to each person, ultimately resulting in no important information due to WIFOM.

Do you find it AI?

@Vax why did you ask Von this when I stated in the previous post that I was waiting for Kairyuu to answer? It gave him time to see what others thought about the wall and post something that would look good. FoS

These are the ones I could find.
Also offering your thoughts on the game so far would be lovely, because that response gave you major townpoints from me but I need to see more from you.

Sorry, won't be able to do anything today.

Noted. But when you can:

idk, I can't really explain my reads rn.

Is this you deliberately playing your cards close to the chest or is this you just not really having any? Or something else?

[Keychain]

Leaving that for Vax to respond to before I say anything.

My vote stays on Chickadee though. That was not convincing.

[Keychain]

Hi Mulch!

Hi, Chicadee is scum

VOTE: Chicadee

You started out so promising. Chick is a better vote than Sparkles right now.

@Creature:

How can I help?

This is the best question ever though it doesn't do wonders for you looking more proactive. Thoughts on Chick please. We have less than a day left and she is my favouritest lynch. Also

idk, I can't really explain my reads rn.

Is this you deliberately playing your cards close to the chest or is this you just not really having any? Or something else?

@WhyMafia:

I TR you rn though after I just re-read some stuff

That back-and-forth ended more amicably than I expected. What did you reread and why did it change your mind so much? Seems suspicious that you'd just drop it after I switched my read on you.

@vonflare

hmmmm maybe the reason I 'shaded' it was the fact that I found his post scummy

her*
And your case on me is rubbish and you need to explain it but I'd much rather lynch Chick than you right now, so it's up to you whether you do that.

@Srceenplay

: I see you hiding under the radar.

[Keychain]

I also wall

[Keychain]

Sorry. But your multiposting is nearly as bad.

[Keychain]

I posted six times, mate. I've gone over 1700 in a game. Your lucky I'm getting negative feedback

I'm not referring to here, I know what you're capable of and I'm actually scared.
I replaced out of mini normal 1923 because I couldn't keep up.

[Keychain]

Gone through your post now Mulch. Your link to post 20 is broken but I managed.

Whymafia is drawing too much attention to himself in 10 to be scum also I can easily meta read him and he is town.

That wasn't drawing much attention at all, that early on. Also I don't trust your meta read unless you explain it.

31 makes no sense because the confident statement is TRUE, so even if it dosen't "sit right" with you I don't understand why

If you're not confident in your reads you might not want a vig role because you can screw over town so easily with bad choices, making vonflare's confident statement false. I've already said this in 63.

I think 116 comes from a town mindset but I disagree. Town and scum are equally likely to put someone at L-1.

...

Keychain can be scum. Gut.

It's not the fact that he put me at L-1, it's that he knew it was L-1 and didn't say it, leaving the wagon open to a real/faked quickhammer. I've mostly changed my mind since then - the act was scummy, but the honesty afterwards was not.
Also how did you go from "town mindset" to gut scum on me in no time flat?

@Sparkles

: Sorry about your week, I hope things improve.
You're not voting right now. Who is your strongest scumread?

[Keychain]

Given the randomised setup, I'm not going to be enormously convinced by any claim that can't be proven since it's trivial for someone to pick a possible role that matches their discard. I think she's still our best bet for hitting scum based on how she's been acting.

I say we keep her alive and see what kind of NK's we got. Do NK's have flavor attached to them? If wolves are out there they will want her dead, if shes alive and there is wolf NK flavor then kill her.

I want to wait on chickadee and lynch someone who is not actively participating in the conversation here.

Plus Vax's sudden attempt to save her is fascinating and I want to see her flip because of it.
I'm not going to be able to participate too much, deadline is an awkward time for me.

@Vax: why aren't you along the mod about flavour?

[Keychain]

That was a wicked response time from Nexus, wow.

So do you still want to let Chick live to see what happens?

[Keychain]

Especially considering that night actions may be a total mess?

[Keychain]

Please become surer in the next 7 hours if you can

Could be seer and no wolves yeah. Means there's no way to check if her claim is legit though, like Mulch (I think) said - she can just claim anyone is not a wolf and she's pretty likely to be correct.

If I do live, I can at least find out if someone is a wolf or not. It will either be a guilty or a semi-clear on someone.

It's barely a clear at all. Like a tracker no visit - just because they didn't carry out the kill doesn't mean they're not scum. It's only really useful if it gets a guilty.

I think the chance of her being scum is high, and the potential loss of a seer is not dealbreaking enough to prefer a different lynch.

[Keychain]

I know you said semi clear, but that's not exactly useful.

You're lynchbait? I'm sorry but you make me want to lynch you so that's what I'm doing do you tend to last longer as scum?

[Keychain]

I just have a hard time getting into the swing of things as town.

So... if you hypothetically had the choice... you would discard a town role in preference of a scum role?

I can relate to not being able to get into the swing of things, as a general rule. I'm pretty fecking awkward. But it's not a good reason not to lynch you. Sorry.

We've less than five hours left. If you're around, do you mind giving your thoughts on each of the eight players that aren't you? Can be as long or short as you like. What has stood out about their play? Which way are you leaning on them?


Also
people

Deadline is rapidly approaching and a no lynch would be really bad

[Keychain]

Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead. Thank you. Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

If you could go further into your Creature and Vax reads in particular, I'd be interested, but I've only got five minutes before I'm occupied for the next four hours.

If we had more time I think chick would live but deadline lynches suck

Pretty sure chick is L2 rn

I like this lynch but yeah, not great to be trapped at deadline. I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh

[Keychain]

Creature doesn't seem hugely invested to me but okay.

What do you think about Vax suddenly trying to stop your lynch?

PEdit: case in point...

[Keychain]

barely skimmed right now
Just letting you know I'll be free one hour before deadline to claim
Just bold @Key or something so I catch it

But Chick is scum

[Keychain]

Vonflare I'm a she and I despise being defaulted to male, please stop.
Also stop with your AtE mate, what are you going to do when I flip town?

If Chick was town why would she suddenly be able to magic up content under pressure?


I'm a nurse. Only useful if there's a doc in game but I really really didn't want to play scum this game.

[Keychain]

Bad claim.

I'm at L-1 and I'm probably going to be deadline lynched - needed to get it out first.

[Keychain]

Kill:Vonflare

Wat

[Keychain]

???
Srceen are you trying to prevent a lynch?

[Keychain]

Really?

[Keychain]

@mulch, I mean

[Keychain]

I'm shooting Chicadee in the night, if I die and there is no kill lynch her 10000%

Fuck!
Do this

[Keychain]

I tried so hard this game, didn't expect to get mislynched for it.

That was hammer yes?

[Keychain]

First mislynch for me then!

Please don't ignore the content I tried to dig up.

[Keychain]

WOAT game

What does this mean though

[Keychain]

Von

Are you still assuming I'm scum

Why

[Keychain]

If I was scum I would have shut up at hammer.

Outta battery shortly, will probably be locked by the time I get home, so lynch Chick for me

[Keychain]

Srceenplay, my hero, I'm sorry I didn't believe you at all and fully thought that dayvig was a bluff.


Mulch are you a tree stump or something?

@Mod: Are we still able to vote for Mulch?

[Keychain]

How did you lose your vote??

[Keychain]

You are so hard to keep up with! Been ninja'd like five times now.

VOTE: Chickadee

[Keychain]

Did you shoot him?

[Keychain]

Whyyyy didn't you shoot Chick

[Keychain]

What.
Maybe Sparkles got it?

[Keychain]

Maybe he was worried about compulsive childkiller? His case on you was all right.

I'll go back and reread day 1 later. I mean, you could be replicant - use your NK on the person you said you'd vig, and give your own vote away to the dead player to look even more hard done by.

[Keychain]

Do replicants have a night kill?

Yes. I think they get one every night?

PEdit: no result, I assume

[Keychain]

I was going to say why me, but I guess that makes sense.

[Keychain]

Chick: You are still my very favourite lynch, yes. But the day has just started!

Let's not get jammed up against deadline again though.

[Keychain]

Lol no. I've already claimed.

Do you really believe you'll get any response?


Another possibility is alien silencer, though I think that one stops the target from posting altogether.


PEdit: hahaha

[Keychain]

Yes.

I think you're most likely town.

I want your opinion.

[Keychain]

So Chick

I have some issues with your behaviour at the end of the day.

Agent Sparkles - null

Mulch, stop. Sparkles is not the lynch. Game after game you prove unwilling to work with anyone. You get tunneled. Your reasoning for Sparkles is awful. Just because they discarded a role you would have liked does not mean they picked a scum role.

Stop asking me the same question over and over.

You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else. All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.

Who are you TRing?

Mulch, I told you Sparkles was town. Your logic was extremely flawed.

I ctrl+F'd "sparkles".

Did you get the IC announcement without telling anyone or something? You were null when I asked!

Also why did you become certain I was scum, and why are you not certain today?

I'll go through later to check the timing wrt vonflare's last minute push.

[Keychain]

Nah. Someone took away your vote, for one, and replicant is the only real possibility we've found. Alien only get one NK all game, so they could be around.

I think it's possible Srceen got hit by multiple factions to make sure he was very dead.

If Chick is town, then mafia have no reason to roleblock her.

Are you trying to find a reason to townread me or something?

[Keychain]

I'm dead serious here. If Mulch actually shoots me tonight, lynch him. No exceptions.

Wait hang on

[Keychain]

You do a similar thing regarding gut reads, iirc.

I thought your push on me yesterday seemed like the easy place to be pushing.
And it wasn't so much that I was TRing Sparkles. I wasn't SRing him, and Mulch's logic for SRing him was poor. So there were better lynches to be had yesterday.

You said today you told Mulch that Sparkles was town. Not that his logic was poor.

And it was practically deadline and I had made it clear I thought you were scum. What I am referring to is you suddenly throwing your weight behind vonflare's push on me, after being so wishy-washy. It seemed like some seriously literal OMGUS.
I haven't fact checked this. I'm going off memory, so I might be off regarding order of events.
But my push on you made sense. To argue that it was "the easy place" is disingenuous. Of course it was easy. I had spent time sorting you, you had behaved in a scummy way and I was sure you were scum. I wasn't going to suddenly push a wagon on a townread ffs, or on someone that had no chance of getting lynched.

[Keychain]

Why on earth would I not back a lynch that wasn't me? I was scum reading you, i said it earlier in the day. So yes, of course I'd push that where I thought I could.

I'll accept that - Vax and Mulch were your other scumreads and they weren't likely lynches.

Keychain - scum lean. gut
vonflare - Town feels. I like where he's pushing and questioning things.
Vaxkiller - Possible scum? interactions seem forced and awkward.
Creature - Town - seems invested in the game. This read is mostly gut.
WhyMafia - null
Agent Sparkles - null
Mulch - Might be scum....he used a paragraph...
Srceenplay - town lean? Gut


Like I said, not a lot of help to y'all. My gut does you no good.

Let's quote the whole thing, because you've done an about turn in a couple of places and I think it's interesting. This is why I got you to list your reads.

What do you think about Vax today?

[Keychain]

My goodness you're loosening up today, you're bringing out the GIFs!

He hasn't posted yet today. irrelevant.


And of course reads change. We've had 3 flips. I'm more concerned that yours seemingly haven't.

Your pushing me is bad.

It's not irrelevant.
You have a different opinion on WhyMafia without a single post.

Vax tried to put the brakes on your lynch so hard and now you're evading being pinned down to an opinion on him.

You also haven't changed your opinion on me - why is me having the same one on you so bad?

[Keychain]

Sassy is good!

I said Vax was getting town points in my book for stopping my lynch. It's irrelevant because I've already talked about were I stand with him. He's in my town leans.

If I had better meme game I'm sure I could make this funnier, but what??
You scumread me for trying to get you lynched and you switch from a scumlean to a townlean on Vax because he tried to stop it?
That's... I don't want to say shallow, but not very thoughtful? Scum can try and stop mislynches just as often as town. Maybe less likely in multiball, but it's still a pretty shoddy reason for a change in read.

[Keychain]

I disagree. I think most people looked at it with logic. Believing it doesn't make it more logical. Claims in this game are kind of meh for preventing a lynch.

That's me for now. There's already too much material for the other three to catch up on, and I need to reread day 1. Particularly that last stretch, which could not have happened at a worse time for me.

[Keychain]

Srceenplay -

Werewolf Roleblocker

Hahaha. I know I said I'm done for tonight but I just found this and it's beautiful.

Werewolf roleblocker was discarded by Srceenplay.
There's only one in the deck.
No one else has cause to roleblock a seer, and I can't find any other roles that might have caused a similar result.

Vote Chickadee.

[Keychain]

oh wait - jailkeeper.

Never mind.

[Keychain]

@Chick:

I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.

So you either a seer or a wolf. If you were any other scummy alignment this claim puts you out there too much to get killed by a wolf (if they exist).

I say we keep her alive and see what kind of NK's we got. Do NK's have flavor attached to them? If wolves are out there they will want her dead, if shes alive and there is wolf NK flavor then kill her.

Holy cow, you thought this was logical?
He wanted to keep you alive based on the very odd assumption that there would be NK flavour, which turned out to be untrue and therefore useless.
Again - seemed like he was trying to keep you alive, rather than thinking about it.

It is logical to still want to lynch you after your claim, not sure why you think it's not.
Look at both possibilities.
If you are a seer and you get lynched, we lose a seer, which is bad but isn't crippling to town. If you are scum, we lynch scum. The second possibility was likely enough and the benefits were good enough to outweigh the risk of the first one. I said this after your claim, I'm not just making it up now. Do you not consider risk/benefit analysis to be logical?

Or are you just going with the assumption that anyone who disbelieved your claim is scum and anyone who believed it is town? Because I'm sorry, but that's what it looks like.


@Creature:

Check EoD1. Who seemed desperate because of deadline?

*genuinely desperate

Top of my head - vonflare, Mulch and Chickadee. Sparkles seemed pretty calm iirc, trying to get out his case on Mulch. Where are you going with this?


@WM:

Keychain is town

Creature and Mulch I am currently iffy about

I like you for town as well right now, though that's without analysing end of day in great detail, and it seems like we're mostly on the same page with reads. Why Mulch though?

And why do you want to lynch Chick or Vax? I'd much prefer Chick. I can come up with a formal case on her if you like.


We only have five working votes and it still takes four to lynch, so we're pretty much going to have to come to consensus on any lynch that isn't Mulch (one person can not vote him and we can still get a majority, so consensus not required). Any scum with partners are going to easily be able to prevent each other's lynch by simply not voting.

[Keychain]

I've said a couple of times (you make me repeat myself a lot, I notice, are you even reading my posts?) - most claims are worth nothing

in this game

, since the setup is randomised. It's still important to ask - for Sparkles it would have given him the opportunity to reveal, for example - but I considered your claim, as I said, and came to the same conclusion I had before via the reasoning that you are ignoring. Did you consider my claim? Why did you decide it didn't matter? D'ya think there might be some kind of, I don't know,

parallel

there?


I townread WhyMafia because I spent time poking at him and asking him questions and he reacted in a way that seemed like he was investigating and trying to find answers. It's not ironclad, but it's the strongest I've got right now and I absolutely don't think he should be the lynch for today.

His absence near deadline means nothing - being unavailable for the hours before deadline is not a scumtell.


I

am

going to write up a case on you. You are actively ignoring things and your reads are flimsy as all hell until there's a wagon being pushed by scum for you to jump onto. I asked you for reads near the end of day and it was a whole lot of nulls and leans, which suddenly magically became dead solid after you got pressured. Not to mention all the reasons I wanted you lynched D1.

It's going to be a wall, but hopefully it will be worth it. Might take me a bit though.

[Keychain]

And voila, a case on Chickadee! For people who hate reading (Creature, Mulch...), there's a tl;dr at the bottom. But please do read it. I've spoilered quotes to make it easier. It's long but that's because there's so many reasons to scumread her.


One of Chickadee's early reads was Creature, based on his activity. Note that she said it was an initial read - I said that I'd like to see how it evolved. Spoiler alert: it hasn't. Not. One. Bit. She also says not to hold her to it. Like... why? It was obviously strong enough to carry her this far.

Spoiler:

Chickadee, could you explain your Creature townread?

Sure

It admittedly is not a strong town read, and is mostly based on play style, so don't hold me to this.

From my experience playing with creature, he hates rolling scum and is disinterested. Given the choice, as he very well could have been in this set-up, I believe he'd pick town. He's active in the game so far which is indicative of town!Creature. Just my initial observation.

She ignored Kairyuu's post, despite saying earlier that there wasn't much going on. That is not how you find scum.

Spoiler:

no, this happens in every game of great idea and its variants. someone makes a giant wall of text explaining the probability of each role corresponding to each person, ultimately resulting in no important information due to WIFOM.

Why I was just content to ignore it.

@Chickadee: At the time of post 21, how was Keychain an easy target to vote to make it appear as if one was scumhunting? From my perspective the wagon was baseless and random.

At the time there wasn't much of significance going on, and I thought both were easy targets since they were mainly the only ones in the game at that point.

She continues saying that while random is not always random (I strongly agree), she wouldn't speculate on it because it wouldn't go anywhere. Another instance of her actively not using the content available to her.

Spoiler:

I understand that Keychain was an easy wagon to hop on at the time, but how would that make it appear as if the voter was scumhunting? To me, a vote on a random wagon is just a vote on a random wagon.

Is anything really random though? A choice was still made. It could mean nothing, or it could mean something. I don't really care to speculate not this further because I don't think it's going to get us anywhere at this moment. Maybe later for associations.

Finally she sees something worth commenting on, over a hundred posts into the game, and it's my push on WhyMafia. She sees it as a defense of Kairyuu, but it's still the only thing she's actually said apart from that initial meta townread of Creature that has done anything to advance the game.

Spoiler:

I'm not liking Keychain's defense of Kairyuu.

@Keychain - why are you jumping to defend them?

Then she goes back to avoiding doing anything - not only failing to answer a reasonably simple question because it was boring to her, but then apparently she was bothered by me scumhunting without someone prodding me into doing it.

Spoiler:

You've entirely avoided my actual question to focus on an opinion I expressed alongside it. Once again, how would adding to Keychain's wagon at the time make a player appear to be scumhunting? This is the crux of my issue with your post.

This line of inquiry just doesn't interest me. I'm having trouble staying focused on it, because it bores me so much.

What am I being defended from precisely? WhyMafia wasn't even addressing me. He asked me a question yesterday, which I also answered yesterday, and was then addressing Vax today.

My point was really more that Keychain hadn't been addressed at all.

So I tried to get something out of her and she spits out a couple of reads that have no basis, except that her "initial observation" on Creature hasn't gone anywhere. She thinks I'm scum, presumably for defending Kairyuu, because that's the only reason she ever suggested for me being "off". And she doesn't want to be rushed. So she could maybe... sit back and continue not scumhunting?

Spoiler:

But in case that's why you've been standing off to one side, I'll address you:
You are not voting anyone currently, and you've also never voted anyone, and you also haven't really taken too much of a stance at all and we're more than halfway through the day. We need a lynch. Who is your top pick for scum, Chick? What about town?

I tend to be a cautious voter. I vote when I'm ready, so don't rush me.
I'm TRing Creature and Vonflare and have a town lean on Screenplay.
For scum, I would be fine with you Keychain, you've been kind of off to me so far. Not seeing anything real solid yet.

After that response, I started scumreading her because of the way she just didn't do anything and was happy to sit back and produce meaningless gut reads on request. I explained this in 186.

Then instead of doing anything, she nitpicks at a technical issue that I didn't mean - that could have been fine except that it had

already been addressed in game

. It didn't help anyone, it didn't clear anything up, it was just a way to say something. She says it's IRL issues that have kept her away. That's fine. But she didn't change anything after this.
She also says she's already talked about her townread on Creature - meaning that it was still riding on that weak "initial observation", based on activity. And again the idea that you can only scumhunt if you're being asked questions. Why isn't she asking any questions? Why isn't she trying to get reads?

Spoiler:

I'll accept that you don't vote needlessly, but I've been trying to generate some activity so I can get reads. I find it suspect that you haven't gotten anything solid out of the content it's produced, and even more so that you haven't done a lot to get something solid. Town is trying to find the answer.

Scum already knows

. It's scummy that you aren't trying to sort.
Can you elaborate on "kind of off"? What is your townread of Creature based on?

It's been a kind of crazy week for me. I was swamped at work, then quit my job. Then Saturdays are always bad for me because I have standing plans that happen every single week. And I've had some person IRL stuff going on that has been more pressing than this game. Later today I have to work my other job (now my only job). So yea, I haven't been here much. That will change starting tomorrow (real life day).

To the bolded. No, they my not. And they don't know if they know. Because this set up might very well be multi ball, and no one knows wether it is or not until we start seeing flips. So you're wrong there.

I've talked about my town read on creature. I feel like the only questions being asked of me are things I've already answered.

Chickadee reads through the game! And the only thing she finds starts from a joke in post 19! Vax later disputes this in post 213. It's a huge reach, completely nonsensical, and it's bizarre that the strongest basis she has for a scumread were these early interactions.

Spoiler:

Naw, Vonfalre is town, look at his discard.

Reading back through this is pinging me.

Von is not lock town. No one is lock town. Giving up Alien Vanillaizer does not make someone lock town in this set up because you don't know what else they were dealt. It entirely possible his other role was werewolf, or mafia and chose one of those for a better chance at having partners.

Then on page two you ask screenplay for a claim because you want to lynch them.

Then your very next post, you vote Von.

None of this is making sense.

VOTE: vax

When pushed to explain further, she completely backs off, saying her interpretation is just "one possibility".

Spoiler:

One possibility. The whole thing just seems off to me.

The claim

In post 264, Chick claims Seer. She and Vax devise a plan that makes no sense due to WIFOM but has the convenient side-effect of leaving her alive one more day. This plan makes no sense because if there are wolves, they will probably kill her so she will get no result. And like I said, her result is only useful in the case of a guilty, so leaving her alive is not worth it just for that when she can easily fabricate a result.
Also NKs do not have flavour so we would have no idea if the wolves deliberately left her alive. However this is what she keeps referring to when she says Vax was the only one who responded to her claim logically.
She finishes with more nitpicky misunderstandings of what people mean, this time to Mulch's 224. It was clear he wasn't saying there were definitely no wolves, he was saying it wasn't certain they were, yet she nitpicks anyway.

Spoiler:

I'm a Town Seer, I can see if people are werewolves or not.

So you either a seer or a wolf. If you were any other scummy alignment this claim puts you out there too much to get killed by a wolf (if they exist).

I say we keep her alive and see what kind of NK's we got. Do NK's have flavor attached to them? If wolves are out there they will want her dead, if shes alive and there is wolf NK flavor then kill her.

While I agree with this plan, it also sets me up to be a given mislynch. All wolves have to do is keep me alive one night. But it's still a good plan. If I do live, I can at least find out if someone is a wolf or not. It will either be a guilty or a semi-clear on someone.

@mulch, you realize pretty much anything can be in god game due to the set up, right? How are you so confident that here are no wolves?

The level of misunderstanding here is just too staggering to be real. Like what on earth would lead her to believe he was referring to the likelihood of a seer being killed in the game? It's practically a non-sequitur, and far less likely than the assumption that he is talking about how likely it is to be believed.

Spoiler:

the claim is super safe

I disagree.

As it was stated, if there are werewolves, they now want me dead. I've made myself a target.

Oh hey! She quotes my post where I point out why I think we should lynch her despite her claim! So she definitely read it. She then also complains that she's always mislynched D1 and references her wiki page. I check sources. She was mislynched D1 as town in Mini 1904 and... NOWHERE ELSE. This is a total lie.

Spoiler:

Please become surer in the next 7 hours if you can

Could be seer and no wolves yeah. Means there's no way to check if her claim is legit though, like Mulch (I think) said - she can just claim anyone is not a wolf and she's pretty likely to be correct.

If I do live, I can at least find out if someone is a wolf or not. It will either be a guilty or a semi-clear on someone.

It's barely a clear at all. Like a tracker no visit - just because they didn't carry out the kill doesn't mean they're not scum. It's only really useful if it gets a guilty.

I think the chance of her being scum is high, and the potential loss of a seer is not dealbreaking enough to prefer a different lynch.

I did say SEMI-CLEAR. As in, we would know that person isn't a wolf.


Also, after my lynch, I invite you to check out my wiki and look at my town games. It's a grand display of D1 mislynches.

The final hours

I fully expected her to be lynched because we were so close to deadline, and I didn't think I'd be around before then. So I asked for a reads list - if she flipped town, it could help us out. If she flipped scum, it might point to her partners, especially since she'd been so cagey. She does do it.

Spoiler:

I would have much preferred to be any of the scum factions. But I was dealt two town roles.

And doing the work of listing out what I think of all the slots seems really pointless when y'all are going to lynch me anyway. But I'll do it. It's not going to help you, since I don't have much to say.

Please no one hammer me while I fulfill this one request.

I've quoted it before and here it is again - Chickadee's reads, after a week of opportunity to find scum, four hours before deadline. There's barely anything at all. And she is still townreading Creature, still for no reason, still hasn't put any effort into sorting him after her "initial observation". Everything is gut, except where it's null, except for Vax and Mulch. The reasoning for Mulch is ludicrous. The read on Vax is the only one with any substance, though she hadn't thought it worth mentioning up until this point.

Spoiler:

Keychain - scum lean. gut
vonflare - Town feels. I like where he's pushing and questioning things.
Vaxkiller - Possible scum? interactions seem forced and awkward.
Creature - Town - seems invested in the game. This read is mostly gut.
WhyMafia - null
Agent Sparkles - null
Mulch - Might be scum....he used a paragraph...
Srceenplay - town lean? Gut


Like I said, not a lot of help to y'all. My gut does you no good.

I ask more about it and she says he's also got townpoints for trying to stop her lynch. Like I've said before, this is an extremely questionable reason to townread someone. She says he's been looking at her claim rationally, though like I said it isn't at all. She also confirms that Creature is still in her townreads because of that "initial observation".
I keep taking the mickey with the quote marks, and I'm sorry for that, but it's just ridiculous that she would start off saying it was an initial observation and would do literally nothing to either confirm or deny it.

Spoiler:

Creature doesn't seem hugely invested to me but okay.

What do you think about Vax suddenly trying to stop your lynch?

PEdit: case in point...

It does give him some town points in my book.

He's one of the few that have been looking at my claim rationally I think. But there's still a lot of other odd interactions there.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Keychain

@Keychain I get that you don't want a no lynch, and I wouldn't either. I don't think my lynch particularly helps town though. Why are you pushing for my lynch so hard?

She also votes me and asks the incredibly odd question "Why are you pushing for my lynch so hard?" Like I don't know, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SCUM? After all of the pushing and poking and investigating and sorting I had been doing, she was somehow

surprised

that I would be trying to get her lynch through when we had four hours left?
I had also said that I was about to leave, so making her assault on me at that very second was incredibly opportunistic for someone who had been making almost no pushes throughout the whole Day. Vonflare did the same thing, and being in the boat with confirmed scum is not a good place to be. This vote was pure OMGUS - she voted me because I was pushing her, not for any real reason.

While I was gone

Creature appears. Chickadee makes some AtE for him to not vote her.

Spoiler:

But please don't lynch me?

She again refers to her lynchbait history, which as I've said is grossly exaggerated and total AtE.

Spoiler:

Check out my lynchbait history though for real. You will not be disappointed.

She also says the Sparkles stuff - today she claimed she told Mulch Sparkles was town, this is not what happened, but I'm not going to repeat it.

And whoa hey, suddenly a scumread on Mulch that isn't based on his posting style! She thinks that Mulch pushing Sparkles is a tunnel. Chickadee appears to believe that trying to get your scumreads lynched is a scummy thing to do.

Spoiler:

Do you thnk mulch is scum? I mean he has given way more rason that thier roles in previous posts.

He very well could be.

I didn't find anything redeeming about his predecessors play, and here he's been tunneled. And I don't think he has very good reason to be.

Mulch asks good questions. Chickadee makes the bizarre assumption that he tried to get her lynched because of her claim.

Spoiler:

What did you think of his walls, and why do you think I'm tunneled, and more importantly why do you think tunneling is scummy for me? What about my reason do you disagree with?

I think his walls were a way of trying to look busy, and I had him sorted as null. I think you tried to damn me for claiming what I did, and when it didn't work you went back to pushing sparkles.

I never said tunneling is scummy

for you.

I think that your tunneling here its scummy.

However, Keychain is a higher priority for me.

This is reason to become one of her top two scumreads?

Spoiler:

If I die, please pay special attention to Key and Mulch. They're my biggest scum reads right now. They both need to die.

Then Chick steps away from the game and is gone until after deadline.

Day 2

She claims to have investigated me last night. A clear from a seer would have been very cool, since after vonflare's flip I'm pretty much definitely not mafia, but apparently she got roleblocked. I've done more investigation. There's actually two potential roles that had the motive and the ability to cause that result, even though there is no werewolf roleblocker. So it's still technically possible that she could be a seer.

Saying she's an easy mislynch is an odd statement. What in particular tied her to von?

Spoiler:

And after the Von flip, I know I'm an easy push for mislynch.

Then this super odd vote, especially after telling me in post 182 that she tends to be a cautious voter. WhyMafia hadn't even been around at the end of the Day - she had thought that both Mulch and I needed to die! She thinks that WM saying that his read was gut, even though she does the exact same thing, is a better reason to place a vote than either of her top two scumreads at the end of the day?

Spoiler:

VOTE: WhyMafia


Gut

Chick responds to my questioning on contradictions with what she said at the end of the day and comes out with this gem: "I thought your push on me yesterday seemed like the easy place to be pushing."

Mmhmm.
Yes. Yup.
This comment. Just... it makes me want to tear my hair out and write in capital letters.
I voted Chickadee after her behaviour made me think she was scummy. I prodded for reactions. They were scummy. I continued to push. As it got closer to deadline and we still didn't have a lynch, I upped pressure. I literally

made

her the easy place to push.
When I think someone is scum I push them. WhyMafia is an example of what happens when my pushing leads to what I think are townie reactions. If I get scummy reactions, I do this funny thing - I try and get them lynched.
Four hours from deadline, I am not going to switch to trying to lynch someone else when I think I've found scum.

Spoiler:

So Chick

I have some issues with your behaviour at the end of the day.

Agent Sparkles - null

Mulch, stop. Sparkles is not the lynch. Game after game you prove unwilling to work with anyone. You get tunneled. Your reasoning for Sparkles is awful. Just because they discarded a role you would have liked does not mean they picked a scum role.

Stop asking me the same question over and over.

You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else. All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.

Who are you TRing?

Mulch, I told you Sparkles was town. Your logic was extremely flawed.

I ctrl+F'd "sparkles".

Did you get the IC announcement without telling anyone or something? You were null when I asked!

Also why did you become certain I was scum, and why are you not certain today?

I'll go through later to check the timing wrt vonflare's last minute push.

I thought your push on me yesterday seemed like the easy place to be pushing.
And it wasn't so much that I was TRing Sparkles. I wasn't SRing him, and Mulch's logic for SRing him was poor. So there were better lynches to be had yesterday.


I haven't crossed you off my scum list. As far as I'm concerned anyone could still be scum. No one is cleared for me.


_____

So I just went through and looked at Why, to follow up on my gut read. At the beginning of the day he voted for Von. It seemed like an RVS vote. Then the rest of the day he said he's TRing Von based on gut, and when asked about it basically keeps saying "No reason, can't explain, it's just gut" Like it feel like he goes out of his way to assure us it's a gut read.

So. That is enough for now, I think - the most recent stuff I've already pointed out.

tl;dr:
Chick has done no scumhunting all game. She makes no effort to get reads - she still holds the townread on Creature from a weak meta assessment very early on. The reads she does have make no sense and are totally inconsistent. She is not voting Mulch or I, instead going after WhyMafia despite being so set on us being scum end of D1. She blatantly lied about being frequently lynched D1 as an AtE to avoid being lynched - I checked her wiki page and she has been mislynched D1 as town

once.

She joined my wagon at the end of D1, less than four hours before deadline, based on the fact that I was trying to get my top scumread lynched, when, like I said, she did literally no scumhunting all game.

She should 100% be the lynch today.

Chick, one question in particular for you: why do you think you're an easy mislynch after the von flip?

[Keychain]

That was one of the most awesomest things I've ever read

<3

[Keychain]

If I'm wrong I'm going to feel so bad, but if I'm wrong Chickadee shares some of the blame for being so frickin' scummy so

[Keychain]

Chick, one question in particular for you: why do you think you're an easy mislynch after the von flip?

Are you kidding?


It was a last minute push and Von ended up flipping mafia. And towns on this site are bad. So so bad.

You mean the fact that you were on the same wagon? That's pretty meh. It's your reasoning that is faulty.
If you're town, I'm going to have to agree with you unfortunately - the reason I think you're scum is that you've not done anything remotely towny.

btw I won't be around tomorrow. Letting you know, before Keychain accuses me of not being around for a chunk of time (which is NAI btw).


A lot of your case rests on me being extremely uninvested for a large part of D1. And a townread on Creature.

Those things are NAI.

Acitivity is NAI? Yeah, I know? WhyMafia was away for the entire end of day?
You said you'd become more invested after IRL issues ended, you said they had settled down, and then... you didn't?
And the townread is absolutely AI. Like the way it hasn't done anything. wtf are you on about

shes prob the alien that gave my vote to sparky lol

I checked with the mod - it would have been announced even if a dead player had it, apparently. I have no idea anymore.

[Keychain]

@Keychain, are you new? I see your join date but like....you don't have many posts.

Yeah, I played a single newbie game in 2015 then left for two years - I'm still new. I probably should have made an alt when I came back, people keep overestimating me.

Bye!

[Keychain]

That excludes the possibility of me being scum who was given the opportunity to win the game if Chick was town.

Well, good to know. That's a relief, I guess, though I'm not sure you would even know in most cases.

But please don't be Chickadee's scum partner vetoing her lynch right now. Please. Just hammer her.

Does anyone have anything to report????

Okay, um - if someone got a successful protect on a target or a roleblock on scum carrying out the kill - basically, a great thing for town - why are you trying to get them to out themselves?

[Keychain]

Won't oppose her lynch, just give me time.

Mmm. You've got time, it's not like we have any ability to rush you at all. Can I ask what you're using it for?

[Keychain]

Hahaha! We couldn't have a single mislynch?

I continue to be wrong! Sorry Chick. I have bad scumhunting accuracy. You did say you were uninvested, but you also did say "grand display of D1 mislynches" which looked like it was a complete lie when I checked your wiki, and your reads didn't make any sense to me even after the point that you said you'd be able to get into the game more, so it seemed like a good push. Sorry sorry! <3

If anyone's disappointed by their stats, I've got three completed games now and lost all three of them


Sorry for not paying more attention to you Sparkles, especially after going back and realising you said to lynch Mulch

[Keychain]

This is what happens when you play a single newbie game, go away for a couple years, and then don't make an alt when you come back to reflect the date you actually started playing.

[Keychain]

Well done werewolves!

I actually relate a lot. My join date says 2011. I played a single newbie game, site flaked because I didn't like the vibe here (preferred playing somewhere else), and came back fairly recently.


But keep playing.

I know I looked into your background when you said you were lynchbait. You've got plenty of mafia experience though right? I've got like... none.

One day I'll stop tunnelling townies and getting them lynched.

On looking back I should have caught Vax's jump onto your wagon day 2, but I was confbiased to all heck. We would have been endgamed anyway though.

[Keychain]

I'm nominating it for Kodak moment. It was brilliant and at least deserves a nom.

[Keychain]

It would have!