Micro 735: Greater Idea (Day 2 Begins)

[Agent Sparkles]

The next person to post gets lynched

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: KeyChain

[Agent Sparkles]

I discarded vigilante because it's a swingy and potentially negative utility role if my reads are off. More than anything, I don't want to risk hitting an unclaimed PR.

*gasp* I never saw

that

coming!

Though...

Why would you pick a random vote like that instead of based on the discard list?

About this, I still think RVS is the best method for starting games off. I don't think we have a whole lot to gain out of discards besides some weak initial reads.

[Agent Sparkles]

Srceenplay, why are vonflare and WhyMafia scum?

VOTE: Whymafia

Why so tempted? That doesn't sound like Town mentality.

Memes
I've never seen a page 1 quick hammer and it would've been funny. Why else xd

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[Agent Sparkles]

I'm going to add that I'm a gut player. That's how I get my reads.

Whymafia saying he's tempted to hammer doesn't sit well with me as something a town would say.
His explanation for the funnies sounded fake.

I'm not reading a random game. Is there something I need to look at specific?

Oh, that was directed at WhyMafia. I was showing him a game where scum quickhammered on page 1 and was actually better off for it because of mechanics.

I'm going to add that I'm a gut player. That's how I get my reads.

Whymafia saying he's tempted to hammer doesn't sit well with me as something a town would say.
His explanation for the funnies sounded fake.

So if his actual reason for wanting to hammer was scum motivation, do you think that would somehow make him more likely to announce it to the whole thread?

[Agent Sparkles]

Chickadee, could you explain your Creature townread?

[Agent Sparkles]

Busy day for me. Will catch up in a few.

[Agent Sparkles]

So I've only really been able to check the site briefly for the last couple of days, but I'm here now. I'll read up on the last few pages

[Agent Sparkles]

UNVOTE:

[Agent Sparkles]

Hi

This has been a really shitty week overall so I'm on the fence about replacing out

[Agent Sparkles]

Post 9 feels opportunistic to me because even though it's RVS it's one of those posts that is level one scummy but really isn't; in fact, voting when someone says the next person to post is lynched is actually towny for drawing attention, and even though they did do an OMGUS vote it's not really anything with scum motiviation. Wagoning something that is "typically" scummy but really isn't scummy is bad. Post 11 also makes no sense. 20 is also horrible because that makes literally no sense, it's RVS and it's a TOWN mentality not a scum one -_-

Whymafia is drawing too much attention to himself in 10 to be scum also I can easily meta read him and he is town.

31 makes no sense because the confident statement is TRUE, so even if it dosen't "sit right" with you I don't understand why

32 is just horrible because they are the two towniest so far, although 37 seems too self aware for the situation.

48 is a wtf LAMIST post tha tmakes no sense, you discarded vigilante cause it's swingy? It's one ofthe best towon roles and why the fuck would you be worried about swing? VOTE: Agent Sparkles

60 I've thought about this when I first came in so your probably town.

64 is filler from scum tha twants to ask questions, it's pretty obvious why they would be scum even if it's a flawed process at this point.

Mindmeld with Chic on 66

69... why? That is 100% something a town would say.

I don't really care about 87 except to say good job identifying sparkles scum

Yeah 90 is like obvious correct 101, vonflare is town.

109 nah this is bullshit

I think 116 comes from a town mindset but I disagree. Town and scum are equally likely to put someone at L-1.


WTF is the point out 141

Keychain can be scum. Gut.

131 is wrong in a scummy way, there is nothing wrong with an early meta read, and even if Chic was scum there can be 3 scum factions

Not reading wall posts

201 is such a shit vote

208 is such a fucking overraction and taking something literally when it wans't, and you were under pressure. I do this as scum. Your probab;y scum.

@Mulch: I'm not worried about it swinging the game in town's favor. I think it was pretty clear from my post that I was talking about the exact opposite, possibly screwing town over more if my reads are bad. It's not a bad role in itself, but there are lots of better ones.

Also, how do you get "filler from scum wanting to ask questions" out of 64? Srceen had made one half-RVS-looking comment about WhyMafia and nothing about Vaxkiller. I was asking because I wanted to see if there was something I was missing.

[Agent Sparkles]

Sorry for mass-quoting, thought I'd edited that

[Agent Sparkles]

Thinking Srceenplay is probably town after going over his ISO. I don't like the majority of his posts, but I think 131/142 could be a perspective slip indicating that he doesn't have a neutral/third party scum role, or he probably wouldn't have slipped back into the more generic "town vs. mafia" mindset. Granted, this doesn't rule out mafia roles, but it gives him much better than the base chance of being town if I'm right.

@Sparkles: Sorry about your week, I hope things improve.
You're not voting right now. Who is your strongest scumread?

Working on that atm

[Agent Sparkles]

I don't think I like vonflare being one of the top lynch options through the day. Although I think his early KeyChain push is misguided, it most likely comes from town. I can understand the mindset that voting people based on discards and questioning/almost discouraging RVS in favor of it = opportunism and lack of desire to scumhunt, and his later explanation of wanting to hard-apply pressure to the first person who did this seems unlikely to be made up. The other argument against him seems to be about the early L-1, which I think wasn't great but doesn't imply scum motivation. I don't think scum who was fully aware of the L-1 would do something that risky and expect it to actually work and cause a hammer in the first couple of pages.

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: Chickadee

We have less than a day left and we can't no-lynch on day 1. Chick is probably the most viable deadline lynch and I kind of prefer a flip from her compared to the rest of our options anyway.

And since I'm super tired I'll leave you all on that note

[Agent Sparkles]

I think I'm staying in, by the way. It does look like things are improving (although the timing isn't great)

[Agent Sparkles]

Srceen, the only thing you have on WhyMafia is a completely NAI RVS post that you took too seriously. Having an impulse to hammer for the lols has nothing to do with being scum (which should be painfully apparent on this site), and there's no way he would just let scum motivation slip that easily. Come join us on Chick if you want a lynch.

Pedit: wow, I got ninja'd four times

[Agent Sparkles]

I'll be on at deadline if we need to make another lynch happen. For now we wait for a claim.

[Agent Sparkles]

Mulch your push on me is fucking ridiculous. When I said "swingy" I clearly (as I've already explained) meant that it could easily help OR hurt us. And you claim to have an understanding of my confidence as town even though the game you've mentioned was one where I changed my reads multiple times, INCLUDING my scumread on you. I even changed my entire damn scumpool on day 2 because I saw compelling reasons for them to be town. The same thing goes for Srceenplay, who I was never confident on in the first place beyond a vague dislike of his content.

[Agent Sparkles]

If nobody changes, I'll stick with AS.

Why?

[Agent Sparkles]

Mulch your push on me is fucking ridiculous. When I said "swingy" I clearly (as I've already explained) meant that it could easily help OR hurt us. And you claim to have an understanding of my confidence as town even though the game you've mentioned was one where I changed my reads multiple times, INCLUDING my scumread on you. I even changed my entire damn scumpool on day 2 because I saw compelling reasons for them to be town. The same thing goes for Srceenplay, who I was never confident on in the first place beyond a vague dislike of his content.

Day 2?

In the game I was referencing.

[Agent Sparkles]

I would switch to Mulch if there's enough support for it. His content so far has been really scummy for reasons I'm about to go into.

[Agent Sparkles]

Holy crap dude, give people time to think/respond. I'm typing something out right now.

[Agent Sparkles]

Man, I wish this wasn't one week

I'll take another look at Mulch/Chickadee after I've responded to von

[Agent Sparkles]

I'm not willing to settle on a sparkles lynch.

keychain is SCUM

Is your rationale purely gut? Why are you so confident?

MY CASE ON KEYCHAIN

I gut read keychain as scum for a long time and I've been paying close attention to his posts, and there's a few things that feel off to me but the biggest one was his post 318

Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead. Thank you. Everyone is leaning gut scum on me, sigh.

If you could go further into your Creature and Vax reads in particular, I'd be interested, but I've only got five minutes before I'm occupied for the next four hours.

If we had more time I think chick would live but deadline lynches suck

Pretty sure chick is L2 rn

I like this lynch but yeah, not great to be trapped at deadline. I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh

the first part is her trying to garner sympathy when its obviously incorrect. if everyone gut scumread her it would be her on the chopping block instead of chickadee. she misreps most people's opinion and appeals to emotion while still directing a lynch at chick by speaking as if chick is already dead

"Always useful to have, since I can't exactly ask after you're dead."

speaking as if chick is already decided as the lynch, like this is already twilight, making it so that suggesting any other lynch seems futile.

The last part of this post, "I'm more worried about a no lynch tbh" is just a justification for pushing the lynch he has set up as unavoidable.

I don't think some of the things you're pointing out are really AI. Anyone would want a lynch over a no-lynch, that's not anything abnorma. Chick was in a position where she seemed to be 90% the day's lynch, so I don't get why it's strange for her to treat the situation that way.

You might be on to something with the misrepping people's reads on her/emotional appeal, but could you explain why you feel like this is to "garner sympathy?" I agree with the point as a whole but that part seems based off a pretty big assumption

[Agent Sparkles]

Hey Sparkles where's the Mulch case you were about to get into?

Patience, padawan. I'm mobile posting and this game blew up with content to analyze

[Agent Sparkles]

Stop asking me the same question over and over.

You're tunneled because you refuse to work with anyone else.

All you've talked about is how you don't like my claim, and how we should be lynching Sparkles. I've told you why the Sparkles lynch is bad.

Who are you TRing?

@Mulch: I'm pretty sure the bolded is the scummy behavior that Chick was pointing out. It's not an explicit "this is scummy because" but it explains pretty well why she suspects you for it

[Agent Sparkles]

Mulch, You're misrepping again. She was scumreading you for the specific way that you were tunneling, not because you're scumreading and trying to lynch people. Also I'm now creating the case against you

Vax, this is down to KeyChain and Chickadee. Right now I'm leaning Chick town between the two.

[Agent Sparkles]

That reminds me

UNVOTE:

[Agent Sparkles]

She was scumreading you for the specific way that you were tunneling,

LIES

POINT OUT WHERE SHE SAID THIS

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT IM MAKING

I never said tunneling is scummy

for you.

I think that your tunneling here its scummy.

Like what the hell do you take this as

[Agent Sparkles]

She was scumreading you for the specific way that you were tunneling,

LIES

POINT OUT WHERE SHE SAID THIS

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT IM MAKING

I never said tunneling is scummy

for you.

I think that your tunneling here its scummy.

Like what the hell do you take this as

WHY

FUCK THIS

VOTE: SParkles



Die scum, you know as well as I do this has ZERO reasons for why the fuck she thinks my tunneling is scummy. You can die.

You asked me to quote WHERE SHE SAID THAT YOUR SPECIFIC TUNNELING WAS SCUMMY. THAT POST WASN'T EVEN ABOUT THE REASONS WTF

[Agent Sparkles]

What was the vote on me for if you were going to jump off immediately?

[Agent Sparkles]

I'm done. Fuck this, we lynch Sparkles

This is literally advocating for me to be the lynch over Chick. Of course there's anger, but anger doesn't suddenly make me the top scumfuck that needs to die first.

[Agent Sparkles]

We have an hour, not 10 minutes

[Agent Sparkles]

I am probably going to ote Key, but I need to get my case out before I end the day

[Agent Sparkles]

He's been pushing it since the beginning of the game...

[Agent Sparkles]

If Srceen seriously just naked vigged von without a claim or any kind of discussion, take a harder look at him tomorrow.

I'm not really convinced it was real though.

[Agent Sparkles]

Srceen you better not be fucking serious here.

Also I'm pretty sure dayvigs aren't supposed to end the day

[Agent Sparkles]

I'm struggling to get this down quickly lol

[Agent Sparkles]

I know a Mulch lynch is impossible today, but I want everyone to see this in the unlikely event that I die tonight.

Mulch isn't playing like an uninformed player, considering new information as it pops up and making honest evaluations of who scum is. He's playing like someone with an agenda, whose goal is to get his targets lynched at all costs even if it means twisting and exaggerating the details or just flat-out bullshitting arguments.

If you're not confident in your reads you might not want a vig role because you can screw over town so easily with bad choices

1) This is just not the mentality you have when choosing your choices.

2) When I played with Sparkles in my first normal game, he was extremely confident and identified me as scum day 1 and said after the game he wished he had kept pushing on me. He's a confident person. Let alone objecitvely that's not your mentality you have in this sort of game, you choose the most fun role, it's specifically not true for Sparkles

First he groups everyone into a giant umbrella by saying "this is just not the mindset you have when choosing your choices," even though it's pretty damn obvious that not everyone is going to take the high-risk high-reward path when they have two choices in front of them. He's trying to turn his own SUBJECTIVE mindset into a universally accurate one when he should know that it isn't. Also, the "you choose the most fun role" claim is nonsense, people are going to choose wincon the majority of the time if they get two town cards.

Then he tries using a bad interpretation of my meta as an argument for why I wouldn't have this mindset. I mostly covered this in 383, but it's also ignoring the fact that I've never claimed to be amazing at reading people, nor was I ever "extremely confident" about him. He was there and, again, should know this.

Thinking Srceenplay is probably town after going over his ISO. I don't like the majority of his posts, but I think 131/142 could be a perspective slip indicating that he doesn't have a neutral/third party scum role, or he probably wouldn't have slipped back into the more generic "town vs. mafia" mindset. Granted, this doesn't rule out mafia roles, but it gives him much better than the base chance of being town if I'm right.

The language used here dosen't match up with the actions. He claims to not like any of his posts, which should be a huge scumread, yet he says that because of a perspective slip he is town. That's fine. What's not fine is the fact that his word usage does not indicate the level of confidence needed to switch a read like this.

Could

be a perspective slip

probably

woulden't have

Dosen't rule out

mafia roles

_________________________

This is the type of confidence you have to completely reverse your read on him?

I say "I don't like most of his posts" and he immediately claims I'm supposed to have a "huge scumread" based off of that even though I'd given zero context and had never implied I was getting OMG HUGE SCUMTELLS from him. He's grossly exaggerating my words and trying to use them against me. Also, the "doesn't rule out mafia roles?" No shit I'm going to include that, because the

basic premise of my argument

is that it doesn't make him town right off the bat, but severely limits the other possible alignments if I'm right.

There's more, but I don't want to get locked on

[Agent Sparkles]

Mulch, you can't be completely fucking sure that Chick is the right lynch and then shoot me instead. You'll be scumclaiming if you do.

[Agent Sparkles]

LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF MULCH TOMORROW IF HE SHOOTS ME. YOU DO NOT JUST SWITCH YOUR KILL ON A DIME AFTER HOW COMPLETELY TUNNELED HE WAS ON CHICKADEE.

[Agent Sparkles]

Mulch, you can't be completely fucking sure that Chick is the right lynch and then shoot me instead. You'll be scumclaiming if you do.

Yeah but it would make me feel much more satisfied to shoot you. You best be hoping I feel mercy in the night

That's playing against wincon if you're town.

[Agent Sparkles]

Lol okay

VOTE: KeyChain

[Agent Sparkles]

I'm dead serious here. If Mulch actually shoots me tonight, lynch him. No exceptions.

[Agent Sparkles]

I don't mean to be all "I told you so," but

[Agent Sparkles]

Yeah, this roll was really anti-town. Even after the lucky vonflare kill the odds were stacked way against us.

Oh well. I'm currently 0-3 as town and 2-0 as scum

[Agent Sparkles]

Should've revealed myself when I had the chance.

Pedit: yeah, but it's still an MS game and I'm probably going to count it anyway

[Agent Sparkles]

I wasn't "obvious scum" lol

I don't know, man...

Spoiler:

I'm done. Fuck this, we lynch Sparkles

I'm shooting Chicadee in the night, if I die and there is no kill lynch her 10000%

Mulch, you can't be completely fucking sure that Chick is the right lynch and then shoot me instead. You'll be scumclaiming if you do.

Yeah but it would make me feel much more satisfied to shoot you. You best be hoping I feel mercy in the night

That's why I shot him lol

Now can u hammer the scum lol

Nobody is unvoting, id be hammering if I could. Do it.

Did you actually think I was scum?

[Agent Sparkles]

And I didn't vote you because you replaced in close to the deadline and it was impossible to shift the wagon over to you by the time I wanted you lynched. You would've been my #1 priority today