Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch is town for only having two words in his first post.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why are you claiming?

[TwoInAMillion]

Hello, next SK target.

[TwoInAMillion]

Unless it's a joke claim*shrug*

[TwoInAMillion]

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

[TwoInAMillion]

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

It probably wasn't, but I wanted to spend a game for once not scumread

Well you were scum in the mini normal and the large normal so I would consider it astronomical odds for you to get scum again so quickly.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

98% of the time scum will not shoot a claimed mason since a mason is not really a threat until LYLO and they can use the "this guy and this guy are scum" paranoia.

I'm pretty sure you and Mulch are town at this point, but I've been wrong before.

[TwoInAMillion]

going to take a bath, be back later.

[TwoInAMillion]

Phone posting from the bath.

You are night only masons?

[TwoInAMillion]

So if most people don't think you could be scum will mafia shoot you?

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig: TwoInAMillion

I'm actually pretty sure this is scum already.

Brilliant.

[TwoInAMillion]

So if most people don't think you could be scum will mafia shoot you?

What?

Nero said mafia don't shoot claimed masons if town think they could be scum. What if town 5hink the claimed masons are town?

[TwoInAMillion]

Somehow I doubt it.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think he's just reaction testing I don't fault him except for not explaining his reasoning or questioning me.

[TwoInAMillion]

We're both smart.

[TwoInAMillion]

Scum mulch is not this self aware this early on. He tries to play cool as scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nah I disagree.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nah I disagree.

I'm not usually one to go down this road but could you maybe give examples?

Not this late maybe another time. I don't want you to understand your meta anyway or else you'll just adjust.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: wavemode

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[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: wavemode

[TwoInAMillion]

I get more town vibes from Yumeko's walls than from Mulch's. Looks more like finding meaning from posts than finding posts to match meaning.
Effort is not AI and I'm suspicious of people who try to use high effort to claim town.
While effort may be a statistically valid measurement in large numbers it's far from useful in specific cases.
Nero, I've seen that "you're casting shade" thing countless times and it's always wrong. It's not whether my post creates shade, it's whether the target reacts as though they fear the shade.
Out of time, going to work.

I disagree, lurking is often alignment indicative. Scum hope that town focus on the people that are posting.

[TwoInAMillion]

wave is just wanting to give lurkers an excuse to lurk.

[TwoInAMillion]

The first miller claim is still the most likely to be scum at this point.

[TwoInAMillion]

The first miller claim is still the most likely to be scum at this point.

Sorry wrong game.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think mario and mulch are both town

[TwoInAMillion]

FOS: Mary Saomote

For defending lurking.

[TwoInAMillion]

Lurking is scummy, what's so hard to see about that?

[TwoInAMillion]

Those are two mutually exclusive statements. I'm going to look at a random completed game and show you what I mean.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you look at large normal 205, of the 3 scum that made it to end game, you had one(mulch) that was a hyper poster and two others that were behind the rest of the endgamers.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch and Nero and Mario are town, mary and wave are scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I would not say I am confident in my townread on Mulch, but I am somewhat confiedent.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nero knows where it's at.

[TwoInAMillion]

You wish people would try and stop reading you? This is a mafia game, everyone gets read.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Excession

[TwoInAMillion]

You wish people would try and stop reading you? This is a mafia game, everyone gets read.

My town read on you has evaporated, you haven't been playing like your used to. Are you scum?

Nope, not scum. How I played with you our first game got me lynched, did you think about that?

[TwoInAMillion]

Vote: Flairs

He has more scum than town on his read lists, which makes no sense.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's not reasonable to have more scum reads than town reads when you know there is going to be a three to one town scum ratio. Even if people play like shit you don't want to lynch them if they are in fact town.

[TwoInAMillion]

@ 2mil

that's simply not how town thinks. Town goes "hey all this ppl are scummy" If anything, a high # of town reads and a small scumlist is from scum. I think you could easily be scum here.

@osuka

boon is likely scum and if not I would be that much stock in his reads anyway.

That's rediculous, it's one thing to be suspicious of everyone, it's another thing to want to lynch over half the players. If you want to correctly figure the game out, you need to know who is town, and who is scum, not just say everyone is scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you have a read list and you have someone as scum or probably scum that means you are willing to lynch them in my book.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am def not scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Is that a real claim?

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: osuka

[TwoInAMillion]

Osuka is not town if there's someone that she's more sure of being town than himself.

[TwoInAMillion]

pardon the gender mixup.

[TwoInAMillion]

I get that a lot.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mafia is a marathon, not a sprint, Boon looks like scum

VOTE: Boonskiies

[TwoInAMillion]

I know you are but what am I.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yes, because we would win every game if we only listened to Mulch.

[TwoInAMillion]

Boon are you claiming bulletproof?

[TwoInAMillion]

That seems a very unlikely role. I think it's worth a lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

I know what it does. I just think it's a convenient scum claim.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why not try and convince us who scum are rather than threaten anyone who thinks you are scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

You do seem more interested in your meta than actually catching scum, I'll give you that.

[TwoInAMillion]

Right now I'm not listening to Mulch or Boon they are just trying to intimidate people more than anything.

[TwoInAMillion]

Right now I'm not listening to Mulch or Boon they are just trying to intimidate people more than anything.

And this is incredibly scummy right here. This is NAI at best, as we've stated how frustrated we both are with this town. If anything this makes us even townier.

I think the town is way more frustrated with you and Mulch than you are with them.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nope "the town" is inclusive of me.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mulch maybe if you didn't constantly threaten to replace out of games and vote five times per page I would believe your claims.

[TwoInAMillion]

You know fake claims hurt town, right?

[TwoInAMillion]

Saying you're transparently town is like saying you're an awesome lover over and over again and acting like that makes it true.

[TwoInAMillion]

I had a hard town read on Mulch last game and he ended up being scum. Now I know better.

[TwoInAMillion]

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[TwoInAMillion]

I had a hard town read on Mulch last game and he ended up being scum. Now I know better.

So you can hard scum read him and he'll end up being town this game?

I am not hard scum reading him. I am nuetral on him.

[TwoInAMillion]

I had a hard town read on Mulch last game and he ended up being scum. Now I know better.

So you can hard scum read him and he'll end up being town this game?

I am not hard scum reading him. I am nuetral on him.

Fair enough.

Keep in mind, I was also in that game, and my final push I had 100% accuracy in my 4 town reads and 2 remaining scum reads. They weren't even being pushed at the time, either.

Given that you were in that game, and Mulch's shenanigans caused at least one town lynch, I would think you would try and persuede him to be more reasonable rather than to push his lunacy if you were town though.

[TwoInAMillion]

Sorry that is my brother's old account. He was logged in on my computer somehow.

[TwoInAMillion]

Wait, MonkeyMan is your brother?!

Yes, but he hasn't been on the site for some time.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am going to treat any Creature votes as scumclaims.

Why?

[TwoInAMillion]

How's that?

[TwoInAMillion]

Because Scum!Creature is incredibly apathetic and never posts content. This is 100% not his scum game. If you disagree, prove me wrong.

I'm not sure one way or the other. I think it's a little early to be calling anyone 100% town.

[TwoInAMillion]

And people never change their meta?

[TwoInAMillion]

If it was so easy to lynch scum on meta then there would be a lot more success on day 1 lynches.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not above lynching a lurker in the absence of a better option.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not really, we seem to have a pretty active player base which is good in general, and there is no clear cut scum imho.

[TwoInAMillion]

did assemble just claim lol

This seems like a wierd reaction.

[TwoInAMillion]

What's the case on gerry?

[TwoInAMillion]

It it just me or is it doubtful that gerry v. osaka is tvt?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure on either of you but it's pretty clear we need to lynch one of you.

[TwoInAMillion]

The amount of pressure on each player

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: gerryoat

[TwoInAMillion]

Let's take predictions on if gerry flips town or scum. I vote scum. He doesn't seem to be putting up much resistance which sounds like scum not wanting to scumpaint their buddies.

[TwoInAMillion]

Wow I get omgus ed by Gerry. Shocker.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't misrep him. If anything he is the suspect one for not inquiring about my intentions and assuming. Taking a second rather than a minute or no time for responding to a claim is not scummy.

[TwoInAMillion]

Gerry is scum and Nero is town.

[TwoInAMillion]

To be fair it is day 1. I try not to judge too much too quickly. Usually I get like 3 to 5 reads day 1.

[TwoInAMillion]

Can we lynch Gerry already?

[TwoInAMillion]

Trust me, you don't want to lynch players that are wanting to lynch scum if you are in fact town. You don't need 20 million reads to make yourself valuable town, all you need is one good scum lynch every now and then. That being said, I am definately the type of player who is more valuable as the game goes on.

[TwoInAMillion]

Spelling is nut my strong suite.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah, the fact that gerry can't focus on anything other than saving his skin means he's obviously scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

All of which are true statements.

[TwoInAMillion]

Osuna and gerry are plain scum omgus ing. Mario may just be misguided im not sure. But the t I a m wagon is so scummy it's not funny.

[TwoInAMillion]

so you're townreading mulch on the basis of statistics

I'm saying he gets mislynched a lot and townread as scum so if rather give it some more time to develop an accurate read.

[TwoInAMillion]

So u think osuka and I are scum together? That's your big defense?

I don't need a "big defense" there is no big attack and the wagon sucks and will fizzle by tommorow.

[TwoInAMillion]

I haven't flipped mafia in a long time. Check my recent games. Is that why you sr me, million? D:

Day one my reads tend to be on the sucky side. There isn't much solid to go on. If you want to force me to claim based on that it's the town's loss. But I won't claim until l1.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nope not at all and it will. You are misrepping me. Scummy again.

[TwoInAMillion]

Being an annoying brat won't get me lynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

I've never been scum. I'm a town only player.

[TwoInAMillion]

Bit then again it's only my third game.

[TwoInAMillion]

Games vote was really bad. There is for sure scum in gerry pains and game. I guarantee it.

[TwoInAMillion]

Stupid auto correct. O s u n a not gains

[TwoInAMillion]

It was a joke statement

[TwoInAMillion]

You can only vote once usually.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's not a slip at all.

[TwoInAMillion]

What content have you provided kid

[TwoInAMillion]

It's day one. If a lot of people don't look bad you aren't town.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: game replacement

[TwoInAMillion]

This feels like multiball

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm smart.

[TwoInAMillion]

What's the votecount?

[TwoInAMillion]

I am town vigilante with a kill every night. Don't lynch me. I need sic protection now.

[TwoInAMillion]

Doctor protection

[TwoInAMillion]

Didn't want to claim bit with probable multiball there are more scum probably and I don't want to be quicklynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

And this is a provable power.

[TwoInAMillion]

Everyone needs to invite or I will be quocklynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yes I will do a pool if I get to choose 3 of 6 players that are in the pool of players choosing.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're reading way to much into things. I don't fabricate every post in regard to my role. It sounds like you are just trying to paint me to get me lynched rather than trying to sort anything.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's way to early in the game to talk about anyone being conftown or confscum without night results.

[TwoInAMillion]

My 3 players to give me a vigpool are Nero Cain, KidAmn, and Mulch(or whoever his replacement is).

Then I would request each other player to vote on a player and the 3 top votegetters will be in my vigpool as well.

[TwoInAMillion]

Heh, not fan of that vigpool.

That's not the vigpool, that's the people giving me the vigpool.

[TwoInAMillion]

It shouldn't just be up to you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Any enabler claim is an easy fake claim because there is no way to prove the person you are enabling exists until the end of the game at the latest.

[TwoInAMillion]

it wasn't the bulletproof part I wasn't buying, it was the enabler.

I was an actual enabler in a previous game(with Boon I might add) and my claim was constantly questioned on the basis of the role. So it makes sense that Boon could have picked it up as a good fake claim if he heard it in our previous game.

[TwoInAMillion]

Slightly less, you seem to be acting a little less "save my own buttish"

[TwoInAMillion]

That's not true.

[TwoInAMillion]

Stop misrepping me.

[TwoInAMillion]

depends on who "we" is.

[TwoInAMillion]

The three players on my list. I can probably extend it if I really need to but there's lots of scumminess going around today.

[TwoInAMillion]

ISO me.

[TwoInAMillion]

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[TwoInAMillion]

[TwoInAMillion]

Guess my pics don't want to upload:(

[TwoInAMillion]

At least 5 so scum can't protect

[TwoInAMillion]

That's a 33% chance to protect assuming one scum doctor.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hopefully people can admit I know what I'm doing now.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Kid AmnUNVOTE:

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: kidamn

[TwoInAMillion]

Other than using voting syntax of course.

[TwoInAMillion]

Kid Amn today Osuka tomorrow.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am townreading MM4 for the moment.

[TwoInAMillion]

GR might not have known Una was scum, Una was a traitor.

Boon is looking fairly scummy.

But not everyone is scum so Gerry and Mulch may be town.

[TwoInAMillion]

It was a guess. Two doctors seems like too much and one doctor not enough.

[TwoInAMillion]

no doctors not enough that is. Obviously I don't know the game setup.

[TwoInAMillion]

I ignored the vig pools and shot Una.

[TwoInAMillion]

You don't sound convinced. Maybe scum upset they lost a scum member?

[TwoInAMillion]

It's called vote count analysis. I saw that Una was not on any wagon but was strongly against the GR lynch, and GR flipped scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I just said why I thought I was shooting scum and you're just trying to create w I f o m now.

[TwoInAMillion]

What does the Una quote have to do with boon?

[TwoInAMillion]

osuka is one of those players that has trouble letting go of their reads. The only thing suggesting me as scum is that I have killing powers.

[TwoInAMillion]

Isn't he claimed mason though?

[TwoInAMillion]

You weren't on the gr wagon. What's wrong with wagoning you?

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: osuna

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: osuka

[TwoInAMillion]

Not a good reaction I must say

[TwoInAMillion]

Any of us could be scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I never claimed to be conftown.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm just tired of people saying I could be a s k like that gets us anywhere.

[TwoInAMillion]

He's overreactive.

[TwoInAMillion]

I need doctor protection still.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cause I don't wanna be night killed

[TwoInAMillion]

Isn't anti-town and scummy the same thing?

[TwoInAMillion]

@Boon: I thought you were a BP Enabler, not BP yourself

[TwoInAMillion]

I also lose interest more as town, give up easier as town until I have something to jump on. I don't give up as scum ever.

That doesn't make sense as you are town a lot more than scum. Why would you "lose interest" on what should be 2/3 of your games?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not buying your self meta.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah, Boon is just scum. But I'd rather lynch than waste a shot.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[TwoInAMillion]

At least I'm not lying as supposed town(twice)

[TwoInAMillion]

Osuka and Boon are equally high scum in my book.

[TwoInAMillion]

If your gambits don't work they're no good

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Osuka

[TwoInAMillion]

Town shouldn't be telling people their meta either.

[TwoInAMillion]

People aren't town reading you, they just don't have a clue

[TwoInAMillion]

That's one player, and I don't necessarily have him as a high town read.

[TwoInAMillion]

Overly worrying about other players pereception of you is not a town trait

[TwoInAMillion]

And I've already commented on how terrible your play is, how stubborn and pointless Nero's now personal reads are, and Eddie could just be scum, or we're fitting our both town meta.

To be fair, I scum read Una when he was not in anyones vigpool, and you are just appealing to authority at this point.

[TwoInAMillion]

Can someone investigate Boon please

[TwoInAMillion]

@Boon: So you thought proving your BP was more important than my shot?

[TwoInAMillion]

Another lie.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure what angle Boon is trying to play now but it's not going to work.

[TwoInAMillion]

Who knows. To save Osuka for some reason(Mafia Godfather?)

[TwoInAMillion]

Town don't lie so much and don't care about their meta so much.

[TwoInAMillion]

He didn't shoot Una. So there's no reason to believe he's a SK.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Two - who are you thinking of shooting tonight? Give a list of a few people, and I'll shoot elsewhere.

No, I am not working with a claimed SK.

[TwoInAMillion]

I find the odds of a BP SK very unlikely.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll be protected so it won't matter.

[TwoInAMillion]

SK is not a town role.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm done talking with you. There's nothing to be gained.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're 3P, we have different win conditions. Until you can prove you'll do what I want you to when I want you to, there's no reason for me to think you won't do what's in your own self interest.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't want it to be personal. I'm willing to bargain. If you're willing to shoot who I want tonight, and I let you choose who I want to shoot tomorrow, and we agree not to shoot each other, I might be willing to do that.

[TwoInAMillion]

Ok so do you want a pool of 3 to shoot then, and I shoot who I want tonight? Then tomorrow you give me a shoot pool of 3, and you shoot who you want?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not entirely convinced you are a SK, us both shooting Una would be very high odds.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why are you so concerned with proving you are BP?

[TwoInAMillion]

kill group is Kid, Massive, and Mary

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not overly worried, town is in a good position, but more kills is good in general so that's why I'm doing it. But I'll be quick to pull your leash if I need to.

[TwoInAMillion]

Ok, looks like our deal is off, Boon. Either you killed the wrong person or didn't submit the kill or it was redirected/blocked.

[TwoInAMillion]

probably because she was a safe kill/not likely to be blocked/doctored, etc, but that is WIFOM.

[TwoInAMillion]

He made about 10 claims, so who knows.

[TwoInAMillion]

nero
mulch
theta
boon

can we agree these are all town?

yeah, sure. Add yourself there if you want, birdy.

i would add unabombah as well
since i trust mulch so far and mulch thinks una is town

p-edit
what happened to your una read mulch

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the paranoid part of me thinks that probably because scum might be on it
but then i think that that would have to mean dunker is scum and dunker is on the list now so that would be fairly silly for scum to do

This is Theta's main read list. I think this gives Mulch and Nero towncred, but again that is WIFOM.

[TwoInAMillion]

on the other hand she is talking to Boon.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[TwoInAMillion]

Why are you voting someone that's town?

[TwoInAMillion]

Definately Town
TwoInAMillion

Likely Town
Nero Cain
Gerryoat
MarioManiac4

Not Sure
Eddie Cane
Dunkerdoodles
Yumeko Jabami
WhyMafia
Flairs

Might be scum

massive
davesaz
wavemode
Mary Soatome

For Sure Scum
Kid Amn
Boonskiies

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't think we care if scum are "a little tired" of being read as scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well my real name is steve johannson so there's that, and replacing out(or threatening to replace out) for being scumread is ate. It's your job to convince us, not the other way around.