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[osuka]

conftown*

[osuka]

boon, entertain me for a second here. Why is it that i'm so scummy in your eyes?

[osuka]

shameless fourth or fifth post

i'm also probably going to sleep, please don't lynch me before i come back
thanks

[Dunkerdoodles]

powerlynch gogogo
VOTE: osuka

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

[osuka]

UNVOTE:
i'm going to sleep now
actually though don't

[Dunkerdoodles]

k no promises

[Nero Cain]

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

Nero Cain, Creature, osuka, Theta Alpine, TwoInAMillion

Candidates For Promotion

MarioManiac4, massive, Flairs, davesaz, Assemblerotws

Watchlist For Meaniness

wavemode, Eddie Cane, Mulch, Dunkerdoodles, Excession, Zoki77, UnaBombaH, Game Replacement

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Mary Soatome, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami

Look I fixed it for you mario

[TwoInAMillion]

Nero knows where it's at.

[Dunkerdoodles]

nero + twoinamillion scumbuddies
ggwp

[Nero Cain]

god damnit Nero, you are so full of fucking fail.

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

Nero Cain, Creature, osuka, Theta Alpine, TwoInAMillion

Candidates For Promotion

MarioManiac4, massive, Flairs, davesaz, Assemblerotws, Game Replacement, Eddie Cane, UnaBombaHm Excession

Watchlist For Meaniness

wavemode, Mulch, Dunkerdoodles, Zoki77

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Mary Soatome, Boonskiies, Yumeko Jabami

Look I fixed it for you mario

there I fixed it for your dumb ass.

[Boonskiies]

boon, entertain me for a second here. Why is it that i'm so scummy in your eyes?

not that your so scummy, just likely scum.

[Boonskiies]

powerlynch gogogo
VOTE: osuka

sure.

VOTE: Osuka

[Boonskiies]

Osuka's likely scum, but don't worry, we can just investigate him tonight.

please do

i look forward to being confscum

lol

[Nero Cain]

not that your so scummy, just likely scum.

ok but reasons?

[Boonskiies]

not that your so scummy, just likely scum.

ok but reasons?

because he essentially just claimed scum. ^.^

[Boonskiies]

me not town reading someone day 1 when I have a decent amount of town reads is a good enough reason for me. What say you?

[Nero Cain]

even ignoring the fact that you are somewhat likely to be scum, I wouldn't follow your reads at all.

[Boonskiies]

even ignoring the fact that you are somewhat likely to be scum, I wouldn't follow your reads at all.

The Boon Babes are all town. No touchy them.

[Nero Cain]

I won't. I just want you dead.

[Boonskiies]

I won't. I just want you dead.

Like I said, I'm cool with that.

[Boonskiies]

I see why likely scum would want me dead too.

[Dunkerdoodles]

I see why likely scum would want me dead too.

lol

[Nero Cain]

I see why likely scum would want me dead too.

lol

can you two just sleep together already?

[Yumeko Jabami]

I actually am okay with the Mary vote.if you think una's town, I'm willing to trust your read on that for the day. Dunker or Mary for me.

I'd rather not vote for Mary at this point. I've given my thoughts on UnaBombaH and they are who I would want to lynch today within that list.

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

I'm not using meta, what have they done to make you believe they are town within the context of this game?
Certain players like you and Mulch have stated that UnaBombaH is obvious town, but they don't really seem to react to it and without anybody to explain the reasoning I can't wrap my head around this.

Does post 200 seem forced to you, creature and Nero?

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is town

Why lol

From this I'm pretty sure Mulch is scum

i am pretty sure flip-flopping is a scum tell
but i am also pretty sure this is a joke

town usually do not change their mind within the same page
also the fact that you said lets say it was 100% serious practically confirms to me that it was a joke at the time of writing

Why in your opinion is flip-flopping a scum tell?
I have to disagree, especially early on in the game when a lot of new information is coming in without anything in the past I think it is normal to not hold a fixed position.
In this particular instance, I think wavemode did jump the gun to call Mulch town and then scum - I wouldn't say flip-flopping is a scum tell though.

you know i never actually said it was my opinion
i was technically just stating that it is recognized as a scum tell
like in https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ding_Mafia
it would fall under wishy-washy voting

the second post it was just that going from a town-read to a scum-read after a single post requires a lot of reasoning that wavemode failed to provide

Hmm, that link seems to be seven years old. I believe the information listed here is outdated, plus it appears to be 1 player's opinion. My opinion is that flip-flopping itself is not scummy behavior.
Were you looking up scum tells to try to aid you in finding non-town players? Why did you reference a wiki tell?

Hi sorry I forgot to tell people I would be inactive most of today because of the eclipse, I'm here now and will do a catchup soon

Why did the eclipse make you inactive?

Also, I think Massive is wildly anti-town as town thus he's prob town here.

I think it's a bit weird to be questioning something like this - were you suspecting that Flair was using the eclipse as a ploy to explain their inactivity?

TBF, my wi-fi is all laggy as shit rn so maybe the eclipse

did

do something hrmmmm....

also, Mulch, were you legit scumreading Mario or not?

I suppose you asked this from what I was talking to you about earlier. However, I'm noting that Mulch doesn't reply to you and you don't bring it back up.
I don't know what to make of this, it's possible that you forgot or didn't feel it was important. Do you think this question still holds relevance?
I'll note that Mulch has ignored some of my questions as well and the fault is not really with you.

I Mary have graced this thread and will now read I know you've been waiting for me but be calm.

VOTE: flavorleaf
Can't argue with that

going to read

but Mulch can you try to make your posts longer? you have 1/3rd of the thread it makes it harder to read.

these just felt kinda stall-y, idk.

Are you saying that the mario wagon isn't "Doing things." Can you tell me the dif between what you're doing with the flavor wagon vs the Mario wagon?

and this is just kinda dumb. Like I was pushing Flavor for ~reasons~ and me knowing what I'm doing has absolutely nothing to do with the Mario wagon and this whole thing feels like she's playing mediator between me and Dave.

What were you reasons for pushing Flavor? Did you have something special in mind beyond the scope of normal reactions?

Well, I woke up at 3 AM, drove to Wyoming with some family friends, watched the first half and then the two minutes something seconds of totality, and then attempted to drive 180 miles back to Colorado, which was 10 hours of bumper to bumper traffic.

Some notes:
- 192. Why why why would you say he was a power role? Is that not something you would want hidden. (oh cool Mary pointed this out later on)
- Not a huge fan of Flavor Leaf. The "staying hidden and then calling out the mafia at the last second" seems way too easy to fake, and I don't really feel comfortable with letting him float along and then trusting some words he says on day 4.
- I don't like the Mulch/Mario interaction. Mulch is just voting Mario because he's like "you suck for scumreading me" and Mario is scumreading Mulch because he doesn't like that Mario is like "you suck for scumreading me" ( I don't remember what the acronym is, but there probably is one). It sucks, and it's going in a circle, and it would be town v town in my eyes except for the fact that Mulch has repeatedly claimed Mason. So unless Nero and Mulch are both mafia, I'm leaning scum on Mario.
- I'm leaning town on Creature, I don't think scum would be that up front about what he said on 329
- Idk why but 378 strikes me scummy. But then again, there's mason thing.
- I feel the same way about Theta and Ignition. Neither of them have really done much or made many posts, which feels a bit scummy, but I want to see more Theta posts and also Ignition's replacement before I set reads in stone on the two of them
- I can't get anything from Yumeko because they're just like a computer, asking questions and answering them in the most monotonous way and by the time I get through the wall posts I don't know what to think anymore so I'm going to try attacking those later

With Mulch's mason claim now retracted, how do you feel about the Mulch/Mario interaction? Do you think it is two townies now? The acronym you are thinking of is OMGUS (oh my god you suck.)
How do you feel about post 378 now? I personally disagree with that post but I'm not sure it's a point of focus when looking at Mulch.

I'm not a computer, you may talk to me if you wish.

I've learned that Mulch spamposting is actually a scum strategy.

Do you think he is utilizing this strategy in this game?
If not, why not? If so, why haven't you pursued this?

FOS: Mary Saomote

For defending lurking.

I'm not defending lurking I'm saying that voting lurkers for the sake of pressure/getting them to vote is pointless and somewhat anti town

No it isn't. Lurking is anti-town but completely NAI

This lurking is NAI unless you have meta on a user that normally lurks as town/scum there's a dif between anti town and scummy (now

this

you can call defending lurking)

Mulch and Nero and Mario are town, mary and wave are scum.

He caught us Mary. Do you want to shoot him or should I?

Oh me please I want the first go

Go massive or mario imo

Why Massive? And can you answer my question from my other post please

So the reason that I voted flavor is 'cause the other night when this game started I saw him post elsewhere and not here and I just thought that was a little strange. I mean it obviously not great reasoning but I figured it was worth early game pressure. At the same time I felt like

Are you saying that the mario wagon isn't "Doing things." Can you tell me the dif between what you're doing with the flavor wagon vs the Mario wagon?

The difference is that I know what

I'M DOING

. This is a silly comparison I think.

And you have no right to say the people from Mario don't know what there doing your point is null.

I guess I can see where you're coming from when you say Theta would be trying to look like they are doing something, but why do you think scum can't just actually do something? Why do they have to cheaply look like they're doing something?

The way it's worded is one of the biggest pings for me him telling us "I'm going on ____ next" it feels super LAMIST and an excuse to get out of scumhunting

I've noted that Mulch has ignored your post here along with your previous one.

Something else I've taken note of here is that you say Theta looks scummy because of the way he says he is moving to another vote - what do you think of him bringing up flip-flopping as a scum tell earlier? I'd say they are pretty close to flip-flopping themselves by constantly moving their vote - I also think it isn't a good use of their vote. I don't necessarily scumread them for this, though - I've noted your response.

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

Talk to me on this? Can you give a bit more detail without the whole meta

No I can't

You're asking for an explanation of a meta read without the meta. That's textbook stupid, like room temperature iq levels of stupid

I was asking if you could show anything at all that points to them being town I'm not going to blindly trust your word.

I need this as well - seconding this. Good on you for pushing for this.

Yumeko Wars - Episode 2 - Wall Strikes Back (also,

Mulch

Mulch

Mulch

Mulch

Mulch

Mulch

)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you have no routes aside from downplaying - are you saying you're downplaying points made against you only because you have nothing else to be doing?
I don't understand what you mean when you say RVS votes have an implied downplay aspect - could you clarify?

Ech, I'll try to explain my thoughts on RVS-votes. (no idea why I'm asked to do this tbh )

What I mean when I say that "every RVS-vote has an implied downplay aspect"?

No matter what reason a player gives when voting in RVS, it can always be downplayed by "it's only a random vote".

Now some people tend to give reason to their votes as early as page one, and sometimes they are just blatant jokes, sometimes they are erring on the side of actual reasons.
And yet, people can always say, "it's only page 2/3/4..."
Sometimes the voter even backtracks themselves on their RVS votes by downplaying them "I was only joking".
So me saying something along the lines of "it wasn't dangerous", was my "downplay" for that vote, even though I could have just kept repeating "it was random".
Maybe this is where you are splitting hairs? (I'm honestly not sure what I'm missing)

You seem to hold a pretty negative view about rvs - to me it looks like you are arguing in favor of actually skipping rvs. Am I misunderstanding you here?
If your stance is indeed that rvs votes are bad and that scum can hide in them, what compelled you to make an rvs vote yourself - on the fifth page of the game, when we were just getting out of rvs?

Do you think downplaying their own positions is something town should be doing? I think it makes it harder to find the non-town members and makes it overall harder to win. It feels deceptive to me.

Do you think it is worth paying special attention to MarioManiac4 and

Mulch

this game?
What do you hope to gain by analyzing them if you think you won't be able to read them?

Read their latest interactions.
I think it is enough said, I now have a slight townlean on both of them.
Just because they committed to an interaction, where they both have the ability to provoke/analyze each other (better than I could).
So

THEY GET TO ANALYZE THE PLAYER

and

I GET TO ANALYZE THE INTERACTION

.
Clear enough for you?

It is clear, yes. How confident are you feeling on your reads on Mulch and MarioManiac4? Earlier it was said that you were not confident in your ability to accurately read them.

I'm noticing a pattern in your post so far - you've been making a lot of excuses to try to justify yourself (examples: "I hadn't read the thread at that point.", "I don't have the mental fortitude to take either of them on.", "I probably can't ever read either of them well enough to pin them as scum.")
What is the deal with this? To me it looks like you're spending a decent amount of effort to try to explain away presumably a lack of sorting that nobody called you out on.
What is your interpretation here?

It all leads back to my childhood and...no, I'm just unsure about my ability to read tones, I try to stick to logic and interpreting interactions.
I feel like I get better at the game when I see the bigger picture and fewer players trying to force their actions to match their agenda. Thats when there has to be holes in logic or contradictions.

I think what you're saying here about forcing actions to match an agenda clashes with what you said earlier about downplaying rvs votes.
Fair point on not being able to read tone.

I'm concerned that while you explain that this is unusual for Flavor Leaf, when he presents evidence otherwise you don't seem to react to it in any way - all the while you are still voting him. You responded to

Mulch

at the same time. To me this series of events doesn't add u - I'd expect you to comment and either admit Flavor Leaf is correct and your vote is misplaced or go against Flavor Leaf and double down and show why he is wrong, but you don't do anything. It looks to me like you have been trying to give me the runaround and that you do not care for your vote much at all.

Or just that I was going to watch GoT and then go to sleep?
You are trying way too hard to read more in to my actions than there actually is.
I'm intending to tackle my voting-position today, and I'll actually make a post on FL after I have chewed this "oh so lovely" wall of yours.

I feel that you are being a bit defensive here, I'm looking at things with logic and interpreting intentions as well. I noted that your actions didn't match your motives and voiced my concerns. What would you have done in my position? Do you think I did something here that makes it more likely for me to be anti-town?

I don't think this is a fair point to make, I've done more than ask questions, I've given opinions and took a stance. I believe there is a lot to work with if you wanted to sort me.
I don't think saying I haven't committed to a read is fair either, I believe I've outlined my thoughts on

Mulch

quite clearly and I have trouble believing you would have forgotten about it - you commented that pages 5-6 were taken up my

Mulch

and I, did you not read what I wrote? If not, why are you assuming I haven't given any reads? If you have read what I wrote, do you not think I had a read on

Mulch

?

I never said you don't have a read on Mulch.
What I was trying to get through, was that you are posting these huge walls that consist mostly of questions to everyone in the game.
So you have a read on one player? Good for you.
I have so far given my stance on two, and I intend to give more after this post, hoping you do the same.

Again - I don't feel like saying I had a read on one player was a fair assessment to make at the time. I noted that I was townreading davesaz, and that I was liking flavorleaf's recent posting. I also voiced disapproval towards lynching Mary Saotome, and I shared suspicions about you. This was all in the post that you responded to.

OK, so my thoughts on FL so far:

i'll join in eventually. If you want to quick lynch me, go for it, then analyze my wagon. don't feel like putting the effort in right now to defend. Like, I just got four votes and I hadn't even posted yet. I've only read this page. I'll get to it in a bit.

First the silence, then this is what he entered with.
Not getting Town!FL from this, and actually sniffing potential scum!FL. His content (no matter if he is invested or not) is always informative/analytical, even if the post itself would be short.

On the opinion of massive, from what I see/know about him, he should never be an early game lynch. He posts not too often, but he does post and gives thoughts when he has them. I generally like to hold off from lynching mislynch bait players/less active by meta players until more info and more of their agenda comes through.

This should come from town!FL.
He isn't afraid to take an opposite stance towards a player that hasn't yet committed much to the game, even if it would be easier to join a wagon or not to comment at all.

Fair enough. Mulch, we need to figure out how to town read each other so we can have a town bloc strong of 4.

This isn't typical town!FL from what I have seen.
I see FL as a strong individual who don't need no blocs.
Although this could be him being "lazy" for now, so he is looking for a secure ride to later days where he can gamesolve (isn't that what he claimed to do?)

Mulch is probably town, but he's probably worth an investigation, though, because I think his town and scum game are basically indistinguishable.

I'm lean town on you, because I don't see the wagon on me as scummy since I hadn't really posted, and now your early game pressure comment along with realizing you were doing it for that reason, is pretty solid. I will admit; I'm generally pretty good at getting town reads. I just finished a few games where that was the case and I successfully poe'd two of the games out. Then I died the next night. Mulch, I believe you saw these? I won one of them, lost the other. I was VT equivalent in both.

..and NOW we are in Townsville.
But this...

How about we all pick up town reads on people or give reason not to vote.

@Mulch - look at massive's other games; I don't think he ever looks town day 1. He's someone who excels late mid game/late game.

...and....

I actually am okay with the Mary vote.if you think una's town, I'm willing to trust your read on that for the day. Dunker or Mary for me.

...this are not so much.
I mean, they are pretty null as far as I can read tone (and I honestly can't very far), but they also lack his usual drive.

Maybe I'll just have to trust FL's early game being slow, because I have seen what he can do in the later parts of the game.
IF he is town, we could definitely use him there.

I'd like to hear from the other people currently voting for FL, how they see his current situation.
For now, I'll UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf and make a readslist.

What do you think of Boonskiies with respect to calling Flavor Leaf informative and analytical - do you think he has kept the same style of posting? How does this effect your read?
In the same vein of thought, what do you think of Boonskies with respect to saying that he doesn't like to bloc?

What do you think of him supposedly getting up to speed in the current game?

{osuka, Mulch, MarioManiac4}

This group is almost bound to shake, depending on future interactions between Mario and Mulch. So far I'm cool with both. I have the best feeling on osuka that I have ever had in a game so far, so I'm a little paranoid (surprise surprise!), but strongly townread him for now.

{TwoInAMillion, wavemode, Mary Soatome, Nero Cain}

My townleans, these have provided at least something solid I have agreed upon, and have not pinged my scumradar. TiaM is here because I have seen him derping around like this before, I don't think he is scum here.

{Flairs, davesaz, Dunkerdoodles, Zoki77, PeregrineV, Excession}

NULL. Not much/any content, or at least not any tone that I have been able to read.

{Creature, Eddie Cane, massive}

NULL-1. Basicly same as above, but the way they have provided little content is the part that rubs me the wrong way. For example Creature basicly announcing he is gonna lurk isn't cool in my books. Eddie Cane, WHERE ART THOU?

{Theta Alpine}

Lost in time and space.....Not exactly valid to place as null because has provided answers and questions alike, but super hard for me to place right now.

{Flavor Leaf, IgnitionUSMC}

Scumleans. Flavor might be elevating higher quite easily if his future content feels like his normal self. Ignition replacing out is probably NAI, but the timing makes it look bad, especially when I had just started to pay more attention to him.

{Yumeko Jabami}

Phoney-town. (or a very heavy player to deal with if actually town) Poses a lot of questions (which is normally great in creating content), but places them in huge walls and nitpicks everything. I do NOT get a towney vibe from this sort of.."interrogating style". I like to pose a lot of questions myself, but I don't think they hold value, if people find it hard to A) find them b) answer to them with simple formatting C) feel like they need to explain every single word they use.

Can you explain your read on osuka for me? You don't really interact with them but seem confident that they are town pretty early on.
I'm confused as to why you put people you say will likely fall in your reads later at the top? It does not make me confident in your set of reads you have presented.

Nobody else called you out on this - I noticed that you have PeregrineV and Eddie Cane at different tiers in your read list. Can you explain why this is? At this point of the game, neither of them had posted yet, and they were never directly a topic of conversation either. How can they be in different places?

There's also something else nobody called you out on here. You very clearly say - for your null tier - that they have provided no tone for you to work with. However, earlier when talking to me you told me that you weren't sure on your use of tone and try to stick to logic and intentions. To me, this feels like you are not able to keep your story straight.

You have Theta below null-1 but say they are hard to place - but you did place them. You put them below null-1, which leads me to believe that you are actually scumreading them? I'd expect them to be in your null tier otherwise.

I only have 3 completed games on site, haha. Fair enough, though. I'll take the compliment.

Your posting style is very distinct, and you are good in making compelling cases.
It doesn't matter whether you are always right or not (although I get why you like to "brag" about being correct), but you are good at drawing conclusions and leading your own investigation (at least when you are town).

So my earlier suspicions of you were because I was wondering whether you are scared to show your posting extensively as scum..

This as well - do you think Boonskiies holds true to your meta on Flavor Leaf?

Slow down guys, give a body time to read at least!

This must surely rank amongst the worst posts I've ever seen.

Woo, I am here!

...and now I must go to sleep.

I'll read the thread in ~6hours.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.

No wait...!

I don't like that you voted MarioManiac4 here - pressure was starting to build up between him and Mulch. I'd also lean more towards Mulch being scum at this point where you posted than Mario.
Lastly, it looks like you are trying to coat your vote as completely random but it falls onto a forming wagon. It feels like you are trying to shirk responsibility for your vote by playing it off as random.

vote: UnaBombaH

Despite the post explicitly stating that he has not read the thread you criticise it for not being based on things that could only be gleaned by

reading the thread

? (And also beause it does not share your opinion?)

Then you suggest that the vote it contains is trying to be random!? That writing there, next to the vote, looks like a reason to me, and a typically RVS reason too.

Then the completely pointless vote. Followed by an immediate switch to Mulch, parts of of your critiscism include (and this is the main thrust of your 107) reaching early conclusions based on a limited number of posts. Yet you are confident enough to drop a vote on UnaBomber after his first post? In the same post you even say...

Why do you feel like you can read their alignment off of one post? It seems like you are posturing around this read.

This reads like it could be an early distancing post to me, especially with Mulch's comment on Cloud dropping out of that slot.

Theta alpine and

Ignition

you

both

commented on flip-flops being scummy but failed to comment on this post, why?

[sigh]Then follows the inevitable "lets lynch a lurker because they're scum" discussion...[/sigh]

Holy shit, can someone tell me if there was anything relevent in post 405, it was making me lose the will to live so I gave up reading it. True Story.

I've actually like UnaBomba's last few posts so put a hold on my earlier theory, Yojimbo is still scum though.

Apart from that I'm getting scum vibes from Dunker (look like dodge posts) and Mary.
Osuka can be town for now.

There are probably more interesting things in there but time is a finite resource.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

My thoughts in regards to UnaBombaH's 112 were that their vote wasn't random - that they were voting a building wagon and it would look random. I'm not sure if I believe this anymore after hearing their response but I do believe they've said some other questionable things.

I didn't mean for my vote to be pointless; I actually forgot I had voted for UnaBombaH earlier when I later voted for Mulch in my post - I didn't mind it at the time because I thought it showed my thought process, as well.

You make a good point when you bring up that I voted for somebody with one post - but I do believe what I actually said was more along the lines of limited

contribution

rather than post count - I didn't believe that Ignition had posted content to really get a read of, whereas I saw something notable in UnaBombaH's posting (including a vote which seemed to be after rvs.) I like your line of thinking here though.

I can confirm that there was a lot of things of relevance in post 405 - I wish more people had responded to the content rather than the length of the post itself, it takes a lot more time to write it out than it does to read it.

I can see where you're getting your other reads even if I don't agree with them, I don't see what you're seeing in Osuka though - why are they town to you at this point?

VOTE: yumeko Jabami

Before this point I thought you admitted that you would only be voting me out of revenge - is this still a revenge vote or has your read changed?

Idk why but 378 strikes me scummy. But then again, there's mason thing.

409 is really bad.

Link to 378
Link to 409

Guys is there some easier way to auto-visit a thread post number?

If not can we please always use the link thing, or quote the post we're referring to? (I know Flairs tried to, but it was mal-formatted.) This game has 21 people and I'm going to die if people keep going "I didn't really like the tone of 31893 or 418232 and 890445 is just insane" and I'm supposed to go digging through the thread for wherever the fuck that is

Well, I've tried including links when I can, a neat trick is that you can change the end of the url when clicking on a specific post to have it redirect you directly to that post.
Example:

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73076&start=405

Replace 405 with the post number you want to go to.

VOTE: Excession

Don't tell me what I can and can't be!

pedit: Why would they tell you who their main is if they wanted to keep it secret? If I were to ever vote them it would be because they're pushing/shading on almost everyone, but that's also likely to be a result of the alt. As it is Yumeko is town and Excession is scum.

What makes you think Excession is scum? It looks like it's because of their read on me at this point.
Later on you post this reads list:

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

MarioManiac4, Creature, UnaBombaH

Candidates For Promotion

Theta Alpine, Dunkerdoodles, Boonskiies, Nero Cain, wavemode, Game Replacement, Mary Soatome

Watchlist For Meaniness

Mulch, osuka, Yumeko Jabami, davesaz, Assemblerotws, Eddie Cane, Zoki77, TwoInAMillion, Flairs

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

massive, Excession

Since neither I or Excession posted since your post 507, why is it that I seem to have taken a drop in your reads? What is the actual basis for your read on Excession as well? I don't want to make any assumptions.

Mulch bounces all over the fucking place on my reads list. Would not at all be surprised if he turns out to be a third party.

Why do you think third party is more likely than Mafia is this context?

Reviewing ISO, I agree with the conclusion Excession reached. Yumeko looks like a scum hypocrite. I mean, compare this:

Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?

98% of the time scum will not shoot a claimed mason since a mason is not really a threat until LYLO and they can use the "this guy and this guy are scum" paranoia.

I'm pretty sure you and Mulch are town at this point, but I've been wrong before.

What makes you comfortable saying this so early?
And how did you reach this conclusion? Why are they town?
I do not feel like your reads hold much if any weight behind them at this point.

Dayvig: TwoInAMillion

I'm actually pretty sure this is scum already.

Nero and I both think he's towny...

Why? I don't think he has done anything to earn a townread so soon. Do you think that this player is painfully obvious as mafia to the point where you could catch them within the first page of posting?

Dayvig: TwoInAMillion

I'm actually pretty sure this is scum already.

Why?

Like I'm pretty heavily scum reading Mario right now on meta but since Nero I think is a better town player and I think mason co unity right now is important I'm not going to switch to Mario.

Can you explain what meta you used to heavily scumread a player within the first 2 pages? Why do you think this meta is reliable Why do you think you are able to 'catch' MarioManiac4 within the first few pages if scum?

Scum mulch is not this self aware this early on. He tries to play cool as scum.

Do you trust your meta enough to confidently townread him?

It's only been 2 pages at this point. Why are you trying to apply meta?

Mario is confscum

Yeah I'm not getting why they think ignition is town when my first gut reaction to them is scum. Makes it more likely Mario is just fabricating reads

What do you mean by fabricating reads? What would you expect him to have for reads as town at this point?

Why are people pushing Mario?

Why not?

MM4 games in a nutshell.

Ignition and Creature are my early townreads.

How did you form these reads? Do you think the 2 posts each they have made are not fakeable as scum? Do you think it makes them more likely to be town - if so why?

To this, ten posts and 1.5 hours later:

Woo, I am here!

...and now I must go to sleep.

I'll read the thread in ~6hours.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.

No wait...!

I don't like that you voted MarioManiac4 here - pressure was starting to build up between him and Mulch. I'd also lean more towards Mulch being scum at this point where you posted than Mario.
Lastly, it looks like you are trying to coat your vote as completely random but it falls onto a forming wagon. It feels like you are trying to shirk responsibility for your vote by playing it off as random.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

I think you should be taking a look at the context and what I was talking about with Ignition and how that differs from my vote on UnaBombaH. It kind of looks like you saw Excession's post and copied his point, or were you just pointing it out? I don't feel good about you like I did with Excession, am I wrong to assume you hadn't read the whole game at this point?

I feel like one but not two of Excession and yumeko are wolf

Based on what? I hadn't reacted to Excession yet. Interested in hearing how you drew this conclusion.
I'm noting that you repeat something to this effect two more times shortly after.

Nah dunkerdoodles is town and so is una

Can you explain these reads as well?

Trying to solve a few of the people I have question marks are is hard given a lot of people seem to know each other and have meta reads.

Not lynching Creature Mulch Nero or Yumeko today

Could sell me on Boon but his reaction makes a lot of sense for him

Still want Theta or ig at this point

I'm trusting your read here. I think Mulch is fairly scummy and would want to lynch him otherwise. You're coming off as townie to me so far here but I'm always wary of reading you wrong.

VOTE: Excession

What makes you believe Excession is scum in your scenario where there is scum between us? Neither of us posted at this point and a wagon was forming on myself at the time.

intent to join mary wagon

Why intent? Just do it

I like this.

I assure you that post is something she can easily post as either town or scum.

As long nobody claims prematurely, we should be fine.

For now the setup is balanced. Everytime a town PR claims, it slightly becomes more scumsided.

I'm noting this because I'm seeing Boonskiies posting at the same time as this, so I know he saw it, and I know he claims a pr later in the game.
I know he claims Bulletproof Enabler - I'm not sure I agree that we all needed to know this at this time, especially when the setup is still unclear. It feels to me like their claim came for no reason. I don't necessarily scum read them for it, though.
What do you think of the claim, Creature?

Can we compromise on game replacement?

Why are you all over the place right now? You've gone from me to Excession to Flair to Game Replacement without leaving any time for things to develop.

What do you mean it activates on death

when I die, everyone with bulletproof modifier will lose their bulletproof.

It's not even a variant role. It's white.

I think your post 174 makes more sense in light of your role.

i believe his claim

Do you believe he is town because of his claim? Do you think Bulletproof Enabler is inherintly townie or a role that mafia would not have?

boon, entertain me for a second here. Why is it that i'm so scummy in your eyes?

You haven't really done anything of note you've been in the thread a lot, you've mainly been following other players opinions and changing with them. I'm not sure that you're scum for it but I wouldn't oppose your lynch.