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[UnaBombaH]

[UnaBombaH]

So one of the above is opportunistic, and should be the wagon.
I'll give the other three a pass.

Which of you is scum?

[UnaBombaH]

Or you could join the wagon.

Your avatar and the fact that you are from Liverpool both warm my heart.
I might be swayed.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't like sitting on my vote, so VOTE: Srceenplay.

I hope you guys associate me and Mulch with each other, there is a high chance we flip the same alignment.

[UnaBombaH]

Like WTF? Why do ya think that? Why refer to your own align as something ya not sure about??
VOTE: UnaBomb

It is possible to scumread anything if you really want to.

I scumread this reaction.

I don't refer to my own alignment as something I'm not sure about.
I know I am for Town, but I can't be sure Mulch is.
I just feel that he is.
And thus, "highly likely" we flip the same alignment.

[UnaBombaH]

Need to see a lot more from UnaBomba, TChill and Aero.

I haven't been very active this game, I know that, and actually apologize for it.
But I'm still a rather new on this site, and I'm not even "OK" as a tonereader: my better attributes come to light D2 and D3.

All I can say for now, is that this game has been somewhat..calm..in my opinion thus far.

I don't see any "obvious" lynches for D1, and I don't oppose any "obvious" town-lynches (because I don't see any currently).

I'm surprised to find myself without any strong reads at this point of the game, but it will surely change in the near future.

[UnaBombaH]

How about you ISO Dunker and tell me your opinion on him?

So far I think I have only seen town!Dunker in the games I have played/read, and he has been quite lynch-baity in all of them.
His ropejumping with scum!Mulch was not very "clean", but then again, Mulch is always one to divide opinions.
His posts can go from 0 to 100 in a page, and he is good at provoking others, so maybe Dunker caught some of that, and bounced back to voting.

If something, Dunkers case on cd is one of the most in-depth cases I have seen him make - which funnily pops out the most to me..
..but I can't force myself to scumread him for that, it would be silly only based on meta. (scumread a player for putting effort into a post because you don't think they normally do..? )

Null+ / townlean for now.

[UnaBombaH]

Do you think joining the wagon might help you to sort a null read?

Not on Dunker.

And in the case where he ends up flipping, and flips his scum, his buddies are not close by.

I'm still re-reading and trying to find a scum I'm even somewhat confident with.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't understand how applying pressure and forcing someone to contribute more than what they're currently doing doesn't help you develop a read.

You don't need to be looking for all 3 scum either - you only need one for Day One and then you go from there.

In my experience Dunker doesn't react to pressure either way. So as I said, voting him leads to nothing but a lynch, and currently I don't read him as scum.

I don't even need a scum D1..I just need a lynch that gives me as much info on multiple alignments as possible. (this is currently my favorite provocation-thing to say)

[UnaBombaH]

So what you're saying is you don't want to use meta to scum read him but you will use meta to defend your position of not wanting to join the wagon?

Ech..if you want to twist my words to the extreme, then go ahead.

Very simply put: Dunker is not coming off as scum to me (based on meta), with the one exception of him making a longer explanatory post on his case on cd (which is good for town imo, even if it's not typical Dunker).

And also: my meta on him is still limited to something like 3/4 games I have played/read.

[UnaBombaH]

He made one post that helped the gamestate (in my opinion at least), and I should discard everything else he has written just because that one post is an exception from his "meta"-play?

I can't say I agree.

[UnaBombaH]

Either way, you have made your position clear. You would like to steer clear of the Dunker wagon without either a read or solid reasoning for why you want to do so.

If this isn't twisting my words, I don't know what it is..

Let me rephrase it for you: I do not feel a need to wagon Dunker based on his actions in this game, especially when taken into account the limited meta I have of him.

[UnaBombaH]

What I can't find a reason to, is why chill and aero are left alone with the amazing amount of content they have provided?

[UnaBombaH]

We should lynch tchill. He has two shitty posts and is posting elsewhere. Plus in my experience, when people know each other IRL like Vedith and Tchill apparently do, they usually know how to read each other. I trust Vedith's read.

I can get behind this.

I checked his profile too and noticed he has posted multiple times today elsewhere, but not here.

[UnaBombaH]

who do we lynch

Scum, hopefully.

We still have one inactive in Aero.

[UnaBombaH]

UnaBomba also looks bad.

I feel like they could be trying to pocket me but they are tonally sound

I wouldn't dare to try and pocket anyone.
Especially not you: you are so good in this game and way above everyone else!

(in all honesty, I have been a bit too lazy with this game, but early game has never been my strong suit)

[UnaBombaH]

Im gonna put creature on the town side of the fence for now.

Creature seems like the kind of player who doesn't waste their words (based solely on this game).
His observations also seem very accurate and just.

[UnaBombaH]

So one of the above is opportunistic, and should be the wagon.
I'll give the other three a pass.

Which of you is scum?

This is cheeky



unabombah could be lynch material. A lot of their posts are slick, and they want a lurker lynch.

Believe it or not, I left that post there to lighten the mood, but also as a bookmark for future days.
I don't find it at all unreasonable that tictac / chill / dunker / BBT has one scum in them.
I'll give it double value if Vedith flips before any of them, and flips scum!

[UnaBombaH]

can you remind me about your scumreads and a brief why?

I haven't been very loud about my reads so far.

BBT could be posing town, and chill has been rather invisible this game. Nothing much to share yet.
And behold, they are both on my "pool" mentioned earlier..

[UnaBombaH]

The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/

And I'm in the wrong sector too...

[UnaBombaH]

The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/

And I'm in the wrong sector too...

And I quoted the wrong post too

[UnaBombaH]

Vote Count

Dunkerdoodles (3) - BlueBloodedToffee, Creature, Vedith
pisskop (3) - Mulch, Tchill13, Elyse
Srceenplay (1) - UnaBombaH
Tchill13 (1) - Srceenplay
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Dunkerdoodles
UnaBombaH (1) - tictac
Vedith (1) - pisskop

Not Voting (1) - Aeronaut

..so pisskop vs Dunker, and pisskop could be the derailing wagon if Dunker is a scumstor.

I see much potential in terms on intel if we go through with either one of these wagons.
For now, I'll go with VOTE: Dunker

[UnaBombaH]

I'm think chill or una. Both are probably a team.

Huh? Me scum?

We should lynch this fool.

[UnaBombaH]

I won't even bother to ISO Una, it's scum.

This would mean one of two things:
1. You SHOULD ISO me anyway.
2. My ISO is bad for a townie.

I'll try to pick it up.

[UnaBombaH]

This is probably town.
UNVOTE: Dunkerdoodles

Gonna read on tictactoc and creature today, they are both softly trying to push my yet non-existent wagon into downhill.. (/paranoia)

[UnaBombaH]

Why is he town?

Why is anyone town?

I'm not going down this same path with you again Toffee..

Accept that I read his content as town AS A TOWNIE, or vote me.
Simple as that.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Too LAMIST for you liking?
Or felt like posing otherwise?

[UnaBombaH]

Dunker still hasn't done well with their defense.

He isn't good in defending himself, but him trying to sort others in his own way honestly reads town to me.

I think he is the "easy mislynch" for scum to drive today.
They went with Mulch initially (cd at start), but then gave up and tried to find another one.

Dunker-wagon was formed to compete with the root of the Srceenplay-wagon (me and Mulch), so that raised some susp. to me.
Srceenplay jumped to wagon Dunker with BBT, Creature joined as third, followed by Vedith.
I think there is at least one scum there, possibly even two.
That is why I joined the wagon myself: to see if the push would continue, but no one was very quick to join. That is why I think there's already scum there, and the rest are unwilling to group.
If I am wrong about this and Dunker is indeed scum, then my whole readslist is upside down.

..so pisskop vs Dunker, and pisskop could be the derailing wagon if Dunker is a scumstor.

I see much potential in terms on intel if we go through with either one of these wagons.
For now, I'll go with VOTE: Dunker

This was supposed to start a stronger push on the wagon, but as said, it didn't work.
I had pisskop as soft scumlean from 528 onwards, and that lead to

Mulch, Tchill13, Elyse

becoming townlean to me.
So either from Dunker/pisskop could flip scum, but I'm most interested in

BlueBloodedToffee, Creature, Vedith, Srceenplay

for now.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: una

So two out of the four I marked red already?
Love it.

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry for the miss spelling Elyse lol. As far as I'm concerned there's more reason to believe Elyse is town when it comes to either lynching Elyse or pisskop.

Oh definitely, out of the two pisskop is the way more likely scum.
VOTE: pisskop

Your opinions on Creature/Srceenplay?

[UnaBombaH]

I had pisskop as soft scumlean from 528 onwards, and that lead to Mulch, Tchill13, Elyse becoming townlean to me.
So either from Dunker/pisskop could flip scum, but I'm most interested in BlueBloodedToffee, Creature, Vedith, Srceenplay for now.

Ya got half the playerlist on yer scumpile and all yer townleans come from a single pre-flip associative..
seriously.

But don't we lose half of the players before the end anyway?
That or Im just saying words to get conversation going as scum?
Because I want to activate conversation and provoke people as scum, sure.

See how two of the people I marked red started voting me without any reasoning on why.

If me looking over VCs and forming my reads from that is reason enough to vote me, well..guess your scumreads aren't very solid either.

[UnaBombaH]

Also: voting people just because they vote you is NOT logical.
Its just people getting scumread as town, and they don't like to face the fact that they arent obvious town to all.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: BBT

Bah, I'm thinking we should do a lynch.

Now THIS I can get behind.

VOTE: BBT

[UnaBombaH]

Nobody will listen to me, but I think PIsskop/Elysee hits scum

I wonder how many times I will have to repeat it, before someone notices

I can agree on pisskop, but disagree on Elyse.

Why her as scum?

[UnaBombaH]

I don't think Una is gonna happen.

VOTE: Dunks
Prefer this to Kop.
The reads were indeed kinda towny, but the timing fucks up the motivation for them.

Elyse is kinda tied with Aero at the mo. I'd do a late-day policy if I have to, but don't see much scum there currently.

I shouldn't be happening though, so all is good!

I do not prefer Dunk to Kop.
We do agree on Elyse and Aero though.

[UnaBombaH]

So we are back piss vs dunk.
VOTE: pisskop

[UnaBombaH]

great.
i'm pretty sure pisskop is town.
me and pisskop both want elyse, can we do that?

Pretty sure or certain?
Because if you are certain, I can unvote him.
But that means I am voting you so..

[UnaBombaH]

Was gonna ask whether you should get glasses but..

[UnaBombaH]

So either from Dunker/pisskop could flip scum, but I'm most interested in

BlueBloodedToffee, Creature,

Vedith

, Srceenplay

for now.

For scum?

Elyse

, BBT, screen,

dd

and creature

. You see the immediate problem.

Strikes and coloring my own. (stroke over the ones we didn't both list)
So apparently we could discuss Srceen/BBT/Creature?

I would actually like to hear what you guys have to say about each other.
Any of you three scumreading any of the other three?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not voting piss today at all.

Well this doesn't affect me one bit.

So we go pisskop today?

[UnaBombaH]

Or they are VT and think they should die over our PRs?

No one should be "ok" with dying, but if we are wagoning someone Dunker reads as town PR, it would be smarter for him to die.

I think him saying he is "ok" with dying is NAI, although maybe not best gameplay.

[UnaBombaH]

So right now I'm going to be playing while assuming that Tic Tac, UnaBombah, and Panther are all scum. Now how do I catch them?

Well, I have never been hard to lynch, but I have never flipped scum so..!
I can't agree on TicTac+Panther either, but maybe I need to reread tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

Alright, well that's a shame and I need to ISO Creature because I was actually looking at pushing him today.

Scum trying to slip in some townie-perspective? Hmm?

[UnaBombaH]

Just gonna bump my shit from earlier up here:

I had pisskop as soft scumlean from 528 onwards, and that lead to

Mulch, Tchill13, Elyse

becoming townlean to me.
So either from Dunker/pisskop could flip scum, but I'm most interested in

BlueBloodedToffee, Creature, Vedith, Srceenplay

for now.

INTO:

VOTE: una

So two out of the four I marked red already?
Love it.

=Creature had voted me just prior to my post.

So either from Dunker/pisskop could flip scum, but I'm most interested in

BlueBloodedToffee, Creature,

Vedith

, Srceenplay

for now.

For scum?

Elyse

, BBT, screen,

dd

and creature

. You see the immediate problem.

Strikes and coloring my own. (stroke over the ones we didn't both list)
So apparently we could discuss Srceen/BBT/Creature?

So I just realized I had listed Vedith, WHO GHOSTLIN REPLACED, so obviously they wouldn't have their own name on their list.. -.-'
So now that Creature was a flop, my list is rather simple:

BlueBloodedToffee, Srceenplay, Ghostlin.

I also just read the whole game from the start because I have not been playing to the level I should aim towards, so expect a lot more bullshit you can scumread from me later this gameday.

BBTs ISO sucks, no idea why anyone would townread him.
He is the master of two things: "but why?" and "then you haven't read".
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Alright, well that's a shame and I need to ISO Creature because I was actually looking at pushing him today.

Scum trying to slip in some townie-perspective? Hmm?

Also this. Posturing some?
I was also looking to push Creature today, but I didn't feel the urge to rub it on everyones faces.

So BBT, please go read the thread and tell me why no one should vote for you?

[UnaBombaH]

BBT. Do it. Wagon. Go. Now!

(or please, depending on which works better..)

[UnaBombaH]

Ghostlin (4) - Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality

Whenever I see Srceenplay and BBT on the same wagon, I'm just not going to vote there.

So we should go somewhere else than Ghostlin, thanks.

[UnaBombaH]

Anyone around atm?

[UnaBombaH]

plenty of things you could have responded to without anyone else being around.

I wanted to interact while I wasn't busy.
I had time for stream-of-consciousness, not well thought-out responses.
And before you say "only scum has to think what they write", I call bullshit.
I sensor every single post I make.

You shouldn't even find many typos in my posts unless I'm in a hurry or phoneposting.

[UnaBombaH]

mafiascum just previewed my own post before I posted that wtf

Connection issue.
That is the way you can accidentally doublepost too!

[UnaBombaH]

I think Una is pretty damn towny after his iso. anyone who is saying he should be lynched - can you show me why?

I would like to hear the same.
Funnily enough, Srceenplay and BBT, two of the four I marked read earlier have both said I could be lynched..

[UnaBombaH]

"marked *red" on the above

[UnaBombaH]

I don't see VT lying to save themselves that early witch could potentially out another PR on accident.
So to me it seems more likely to be a scum trying to save themselves from an early lynch.

But then again, IF the slot is scum, his replacement gave up on the story rather easy..
Ech.

[UnaBombaH]

I could get behing a Una lynch. Nothing jumps out at me as town and he has managed to subtley support a few wagons while avoiding pushing them. i.e. Low commitment with a lot of shading is how I interpret his ISO.

You have a good post there, it just feels like you read my ISO with the idea that you WANT to find me scum..

Go read it again with the assumption that I ACTUALLY thought we had one scum active very early:

So one of the above is opportunistic, and should be the wagon.
I'll give the other three a pass.

Which of you is scum?

I played this off "jokingly", and the only one who took contact with me or Vedith after that, OR would find a need to explain themselves.. would be the one who was actually most worried about appearances.
Lo and behold:

VOTE: Vedith

INTO

Or you could join the wagon.

INTO

Let's see that vote then!

INTO

Pagetop.

This pagetop hereby confirms that Vedith is at L-1.

So no 'I didn't see votes'.

A very concerned townie. Yes.
INTO

Vedith could actually be scum here

???

So you see, I'm not going to assume Vedith-slot flips scum, and even if it does, BBT is almost certainly bussing.

[UnaBombaH]

Can we get this day over with? What's the point in waiting 20 years?

Because I strongly disagree with Ghostlin being the lynch.
And I already know that the frustration-reaction temper tantrum is to vote me, but that is a mislynch.

I do not understand why someone like you is so eager to just tunnel the slot.

[UnaBombaH]

If we don't lynch him I'm investigating bbt tonight glgl

Guy is taking the most narrow focus of all time today and not evaluating anyone else or engaging anyone who tries to engage him. He can't be allowed to make it to lylo. Tbh we should just lynch him

You have a few years of experience on this site, so I assume you wouldn't try pocketing me this obviously..?

I was just going to quote that BBT post too, and say the same regarding his slot.
What worries me is that Mulch is fine with riding that wagon.

Srceenplay and BBT seem like two peas in a pod, and I dislike them both (and not only because they seem to dislike me).
I will simply not join a wagon they are on.

And the situation they have built too: they have a L-1 wagon on Ghost with both already on.
Lets assume for a sec Ghost flips scum.
They take the towncred for bussing: and call scum on the ones who joined last "to buss".
This would also make sense, since Vedith has been somewhat inactive on the site lately, and they might have decided to buss him at night, since he wouldn't be able to help much either.

If Ghost flips town (I honestly believe he will), they might call scum on the ones who joined the wagon last, and use Mulch's presence and reads as justification for the lynch.
I've seen this happen too.
And tomorrows mislynch for our dashing duo has already been queued: it's most likely me or Panther.

[UnaBombaH]

Panther, stop being so butthurt and help me lynch Ghostlin.

Thanks.

So lets assume I jump into that wagon and drop the hammer.
He flips town, then what?

Tell me you wouldn't say that I'm scum for "knowing" his alignment, and then you guys go after me.

[UnaBombaH]

The fact you're playing out those scenarios shows you're thinking way too far ahead to try and plan out the game. Town don't do that.

You shouldn't make assumptions like that.
You can call me a bad player, if you think it's poor townplay, but I like think that sometimes trying to find scums win condition requires thinking ahead.
Saying "town don't do" this or that is bullshit: it might just be that YOU as town don't do this or that.

[UnaBombaH]

That being said if Ghostlin flips town I want to go after Teech hard lol

Ey!
Stop setting them lynches up!

...but please vote BBT if Ghost flips town..

[UnaBombaH]

...but please vote BBT if Ghost flips town

Both of whom I'm leaning town on.

So you should be a tad bit anxious then?
Who is the scum in Ghost wagon, if you don't think it's BBT?
I can't accept an all-town wagon at this point myself.

[UnaBombaH]

not sure if the game is this slow because of lost attention or what but we need to flip ghostlin if this is all we're gonna do.

I'd say the pace has died totally because all of the scum is already aboard the wagon, or Ghost is just scum and his partners have given up..
Tictac is likely being replaced? He hasn't posted since the 18th, and was prodded two days ago..right?

UNABOMBAH HAS EDITED THIS LATEST VOTE-COUNT TRYING TO MAKE IT MATCH STATUS QUO!!

Ghostlin (5) - Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality, Tchill13

L-1

Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH, PantherPunt
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz

Not Voting (1) - tictac

I included the votes from this page: Is this now up to date?

[UnaBombaH]

I see this as town Tchill, town BBT, and town Srceen. Mulch could be scum, but I have no reason to believe it as of now.

So you are honestly thinking that the wagon is all town?
Don't get me wrong: you can definitely be correct, but then the scum have totally thrown this game out of the window.
The wagon has stood still for so long, yet it is the only considerable choice as of now.

From my POV the remaining 2(?) scum would then be among PantherPunt/havingfitz/tictac.
I can't form a team there that would make ANY sense to me.
I'd say there's one scum among them: the other two are already involved in that wagon.

This is the first time on this site where I think lynching me/my townread SHOULD be best for the game, since it would remove the need to wagon me tomorrow after Ghost flips - vice/versa.
Then again: I know for somewhat certain that Mulch and you can (and probably will) wagon Ghost tomorrow anyway, NO MATTER WHAT I say or flip (assuming I'm the lynch today).

Kind of makes the game dull for me.

Now assume I hammer Ghost just because the other options are lynching me / no lynch.
Assume he flips town.
You STILL think the wagon is all town?
You STILL think at that point I am scum?

I would have had plenty of time and opportunity to jump aboard and buss/drive a mislynch, and so would've everyone else on your current scumlist.
Also to note: the way Tchill joined the wagon seems like the cheapest way to try and collect the little remaining "towncred" from joining you guys.
And yet you are eager to just give him that?

Since you have already outed your alt, I feel like I can say this: either you are scum here, or there are some MAJOR metareads I haven't been able to pick up (and how could I?)

[UnaBombaH]

Una. If you have a cop inno on Ghostlin, say it now. Don't beat around the bush

I do not have a 100% inno on anyone.

I just don't think Ghostlin is scum, simple as that.
I'm going to continue trusting my gutreads on slots like his no matter how big of a wagon there is - I have been correct more than I have been wrong when I townread someone who is being wagoned.

[UnaBombaH]

I think this is rolefishing:

Una I feel like you a saying you know ghost is town.
I reread his ISO. What in it speaks Town to you?

I think this isn't:

Una I feel like you a saying you know ghost is town.
I reread his ISO. What in it speaks Town to you?

And this feels like a lazy way to deflect my attention from my main scumread:

Yes. I have a lot of meta to pull from the players in this game, mainly BBT.

[UnaBombaH]

I do not like the fact that we are offered no other chance but to wait for the deadline, and then just succumb to the Ghost wagon..

If ghost flips town, then every townie in his wagon should be ashamed for not even reconsidering.
Or for sheeping the scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Hi everybody!

If I may ask: Go read my ISO and try to form your read on me.
TRY to look past how I read BBT or how he looked me - I'm genuinely interested in hearing how you'll sort me.

[UnaBombaH]

Mulch is certain of his reads after the ghost flip and chill is sheeping..

[UnaBombaH]

I'm re-reading Ghosts D1-D2 and trying to find associations, but I'm currently working as a project leader, and everything is very hectic until sunday (8th).
I will be around to read every day, but I won't be able to whip anything substantial out before that.

Sorry guys, I know I'm one of the guys who are very much needed to provide more content because of my positioning on the main wagon yesterday, but I promise to provide whatever you ask sunday!
Start stacking a write-list..!

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, project leader at work IRL, not in this game at Scums United..

[UnaBombaH]

I don't feel like I have a right to vote after my stance on Ghost, but eh..
I'm sheeping mulch until sunday when I actually might have time and energy to provide something more.

VOTE: havingfitz

[UnaBombaH]

I thought mulch was one of the more vocal attendees in the Ghostlin-wagon?

[UnaBombaH]

^ cool. I tend to have great reads. Which I have shown if you are town. Sheep me on UnaBombaH.

..and you have a wrong read here if you are voting me.
So you claiming to have good reads and voting for me, means that you are the last person anyone should follow?

....or maybe me after D2.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm up to date...and I have nothing much to offer?
I was wrong with my Ghost-read, and I'm lacking the confidence to make any strong comments based on any D3 content.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm sheeping mulch until sunday when I actually might have time and energy to provide something more.

'tis Sunday.

[UnaBombaH]

I thought mulch was one of the more vocal attendees in the Ghostlin-wagon?

Really?
Can you show me what stands out to you. I missed it all.

That comment was in reference to this:

Mulch is definitely the last person anyone should ever sheep.

Sheep me instead.

What i meant with it was that mulch honestly felt like he was trying to gamesolve - not like a scum just bussing.
He was looking into other options too, and felt like he was ready to reconsider his read.

Panther and Chill are on my radar, because they sort of hung around on the wagon - they could either fill the role of a bussing scummie.
I'm quite certain there was one scum on the wagon, and no more.
One because of Vedith being absent from a lot of his games (and actually flipping scum in a bunch ), but not more because Ghostlin COULD have struggled it out.

[UnaBombaH]

Busy times in my work-project have continued..
I'll unvote for now, because apparently Panther is obv.scum(?) that I have missed..
UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: pantherpunt

I dislike this as a move.
If you are town, unvote please.

I know this game has died down (I'm very busy IRL myself), but Town shouldn't vote for themselves.
I think only scum do it for emotional plays - town does it out of frustration, but it messes reads up.

[UnaBombaH]

I wasn't scumreading Panther previously, but just this one self-vote made me feel like it was manipulation.
And town shouldn't need to do that..

I'll try to have time and read tonight - I want to find another perspective to all this, otherwise I'm stuck with sheeping and tunneling.

[UnaBombaH]

I believe you both are townvtown and scum could very well be fliz and Unba at the moment

Show me how fitz+Una works.
I'm not saying it couldn't, I'm just interested in hearing how.

[UnaBombaH]

Going to read today, and post too.
Stuck with phone though, but work pressure is starting to ease, so I should be able to provide more in the future.

[UnaBombaH]

You say Panther is obvious scum?

I don't know if my english just sucks, but these kind of misinterpretations seem to happen quite frequently..

I meant that in a more sarcastic and frustrated tone: it seemed like he was scumread by almost everyone, to the degree of "obv.scum". I already misread Ghost myself, so I felt like I'm not going to be able to read anyone correctly this game, if Panther is indeed scum.

Him selfvoting made me REALLY question him, because its not pro-town.
I always hate self-voting, even as a "move", because if town does it, its selfish.

[UnaBombaH]

So why did you unvote fitz?
Who were you talking about when you said tunneling?

I unvoted fitz because the time of sheeping was over.
I voted him for the sake of trying to get a wagon rolling, and because I felt like mulch might have been on to something.

I wasn't talking about anyone specifically when I talked about tunneling - I meant in more along the lines of "I need to try and rebuild my reads by reading the game with fresh mind".
Tunneling on existing reads is something I always dislike, even if it would be more simple.

I'm currently going through all of your ISO separately, so that I can confidently vote and stand behind my reads.
I had Ghost cleared in my mind for a long time before the lynch, and him flipping red got me down.

[UnaBombaH]

I’m ok with una or Panther.
Any talk of a different wagon isderailing the momentum of town.

Not true IMO, but I'm not going to wiggle for Panther, because I missed with Ghost already.

I'm currently thinking that one of Elena/lucky is scum.
One is pocketing the other.

[UnaBombaH]

So panther is off the Una wagon. Tchill and mulch,

unless Una self votes, you decide if we are lynching someone today

.

This is ridiculous.
I'm leaning lucky or Elena, and I have no trouble assuming that if all townies get their heads out of their respective behinds, we can lynch ANYONE in a day.

Like said: I'm not going to run rampant on any other lynch than my own (proposed) one, but I townread Panther over many other players in this game.
I was wrong D2, but I'm getting a stronger read on the game with every day my work-pressure eases.
Like now: your post doesn't feel like worried town - it feels like opportunistic scum.

VOTE: Lucky2u

I feel most comfortable voting on Elena/Lucky, but can compromise on fitz too. (although I still haven't picked the scum-tells that mulch apparently has)

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Una
He has proven himself wrong all game and still won’t budge and consider his Town read on PantherPunt is wrong.

I have reconsidered my read, but I dislike other peoples content over his.
I'm still the worst lynch out of the bunch, so that vote has the potential to be detrimental.

[UnaBombaH]

Thanks for the game guys.
Thanks for the mod!

I suck.