Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

Assemblerotws · Post Post #531 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:21 am

Here and reading through things. Might actually use some meta for this game, since I've run across a few of you before.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #532 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:26 am

Mario counterclaimed when he realized Mulch was actually claiming that he and Nero were masons. There's probably scum somewhere in this interaction.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #534 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:29 am

Mario's deathtunnel on Mulch could be because he knows the claim is BS, but if so, why wouldn't he state it?

Maybe his original claim was a joke. Then again, maybe not.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #536 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:41 am

Mulch bounces all over the fucking place on my reads list. Would not at all be surprised if he turns out to be a third party.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #538 (isolation #4) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:42 am

In post 535, Theta Alpine wrote:
In post 534, Assemblerotws wrote: Maybe his original claim was a joke. Then again, maybe not.
i mean

it is even on this page

like seriously just read this page

I was talking about Mario.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #539 (isolation #5) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:43 am

In post 23, MarioManiac4 wrote:Wait, it's not a joke?

I CC mason.

VOTE: Creature

Assemblerotws · Post Post #542 (isolation #6) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:54 am

In post 465, Excession wrote:Slow down guys, give a body time to read at least!

This must surely rank amongst the worst posts I've ever seen.

In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 112, UnaBombaH wrote:Woo, I am here!

...and now I must go to sleep.

I'll read the thread in ~6hours.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.

No wait...!
I don't like that you voted MarioManiac4 here - pressure was starting to build up between him and Mulch. I'd also lean more towards Mulch being scum at this point where you posted than Mario.
Lastly, it looks like you are trying to coat your vote as completely random but it falls onto a forming wagon. It feels like you are trying to shirk responsibility for your vote by playing it off as random.

vote: UnaBombaH

Despite the post explicitly stating that he has not read the thread you criticise it for not being based on things that could only be gleaned by
reading the thread
? (And also beause it does not share your opinion?)

Then you suggest that the vote it contains is trying to be random!? That writing there, next to the vote, looks like a reason to me, and a typically RVS reason too.

Then the completely pointless vote. Followed by an immediate switch to Mulch, parts of of your critiscism include (and this is the main thrust of your 107) reaching early conclusions based on a limited number of posts. Yet you are confident enough to drop a vote on UnaBomber after his first post? In the same post you even say...

Why do you feel like you can read their alignment off of one post? It seems like you are posturing around this read.
This reads like it could be an early distancing post to me, especially with Mulch's comment on Cloud dropping out of that slot.

Theta alpine and
Ignition
you
both
commented on flip-flops being scummy but failed to comment on this post, why?

[sigh]Then follows the inevitable "lets lynch a lurker because they're scum" discussion...[/sigh]

Holy shit, can someone tell me if there was anything relevent in post 405, it was making me lose the will to live so I gave up reading it. True Story.

I've actually like UnaBomba's last few posts so put a hold on my earlier theory, Yojimbo is still scum though.

Apart from that I'm getting scum vibes from Dunker (look like dodge posts) and Mary.
Osuka can be town for now.

There are probably more interesting things in there but time is a finite resource.

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

I am definitely taking a closer look at Yumeko.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #544 (isolation #7) » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:08 am

Reviewing ISO, I agree with the conclusion Excession reached. Yumeko looks like a scum hypocrite. I mean, compare this:

In post 107, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 31, TwoInAMillion wrote:
In post 29, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 24, TwoInAMillion wrote:Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?
98% of the time scum will not shoot a claimed mason since a mason is not really a threat until LYLO and they can use the "this guy and this guy are scum" paranoia.
I'm pretty sure you and Mulch are town at this point, but I've been wrong before.
What makes you comfortable saying this so early?
And how did you reach this conclusion? Why are they town?
I do not feel like your reads hold much if any weight behind them at this point.

In post 43, Mulch wrote:
In post 39, MarioManiac4 wrote:
Dayvig: TwoInAMillion

I'm actually pretty sure this is scum already.
Nero and I both think he's towny...
Why? I don't think he has done anything to earn a townread so soon. Do you think that this player is painfully obvious as mafia to the point where you could catch them within the first page of posting?

In post 39, MarioManiac4 wrote:
Dayvig: TwoInAMillion

I'm actually pretty sure this is scum already.
Why?

In post 50, Mulch wrote:Like I'm pretty heavily scum reading Mario right now on meta but since Nero I think is a better town player and I think mason co unity right now is important I'm not going to switch to Mario.
Can you explain what meta you used to heavily scumread a player within the first 2 pages? Why do you think this meta is reliable Why do you think you are able to 'catch' MarioManiac4 within the first few pages if scum?

In post 54, TwoInAMillion wrote:Scum mulch is not this self aware this early on. He tries to play cool as scum.
Do you trust your meta enough to confidently townread him?

It's only been 2 pages at this point. Why are you trying to apply meta?

In post 88, Mulch wrote:
In post 86, osuka wrote:Mario is confscum
Yeah I'm not getting why they think ignition is town when my first gut reaction to them is scum. Makes it more likely Mario is just fabricating reads
What do you mean by fabricating reads? What would you expect him to have for reads as town at this point?

In post 83, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 80, wavemode wrote:
In post 78, IgnitionUSMC wrote:Why are people pushing Mario?
Why not?
MM4 games in a nutshell.

Ignition and Creature are my early townreads.
How did you form these reads? Do you think the 2 posts each they have made are not fakeable as scum? Do you think it makes them more likely to be town - if so why?

To this, ten posts and 1.5 hours later:

In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
In post 112, UnaBombaH wrote:Woo, I am here!

...and now I must go to sleep.

I'll read the thread in ~6hours.

VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.

No wait...!
I don't like that you voted MarioManiac4 here - pressure was starting to build up between him and Mulch. I'd also lean more towards Mulch being scum at this point where you posted than Mario.
Lastly, it looks like you are trying to coat your vote as completely random but it falls onto a forming wagon. It feels like you are trying to shirk responsibility for your vote by playing it off as random.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

VOTE: Yumeko Jabami

Assemblerotws · Post Post #1096 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:18 pm

In post 1091, Creature wrote:Eddie Cane - Lurking scum
Game Replacement - Ignition seemed somewhatly town, but not enough
davesaz - Not notably scum
osuka - One of my main scumreads
Excession - One of my main scumreads
Assemblerotws - My gut tells town (mostly because PV)
wavemode - Profile of scum blending in
Yumeko Jabami - Not sortable enough
Mary Soatome - One of my main scumreads
Zoki77 - Replaced out, maybe just town

Not sure what you mean by PV.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #1608 (isolation #9) » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:35 am

Osuka, why did you change your mind on Mario between 86 and 316?
Gerry, do you have reads on anyone besides Osuka?
Mario, was your mason claim in 23 a real claim?
Excession, show the fuck up. Provide something other than 465.
GR, what changed your mind on Mario?
Yumeko, do you have any defense against 465?

Assemblerotws · Post Post #1616 (isolation #10) » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:43 am

It's not because I was talking my partner, since I don't have one. It's because Excession was the only case where I was discussing a pattern of behavior that's actually hurting the game instead of a specific incident.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #1622 (isolation #11) » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:53 am

Protip: I tend to engage more as town than as scum. Compare my ISO from a completed towngame:
viewtopic.php?t=72014&f=55&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
To the ISO from a completed scumgame:
viewtopic.php?t=72746&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
I'd say my play here so far resembles the former far more than the latter.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #1628 (isolation #12) » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:17 am

So what? You're gonna lynch me just because I was mad that the person I sheeped because I agreed with his argument is refusing to speak up when people are arguing that his behavior is scummy?

Assemblerotws · Post Post #2257 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:51 pm

Why the fuck is absolutely everyone claiming they're a daycop and I'm a Serial Killer? Either people are lying or the mod left something out of my role pm, because it clearly says I'm vanilla town.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #2324 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:24 am

In post 1323, gerryoat wrote:why isn't osuka lynched yet?

In post 1353, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1343, Mulch wrote:I feel like GerryGoat could be scum.

In post 1344, Mulch wrote:Their level of confidence does not match the situation
you mean like how you say im scum but dont vote me?

mulch is scum also prob. btw. but we lunch osuka today. hes 100% mafia.

In post 1371, gerryoat wrote:OKAY im day cop with a guilty on osuka. lynch it.

In post 1416, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1113, osuka wrote:
In post 1112, Mulch wrote:
In post 1108, osuka wrote:
In post 1014, Boonskiies wrote:You guys can lynch me today, though. There's a good chance I lied, and I'm actually Vengeful, and I'll venge kill Nero. Two birds with one stone. But there's always the chance I'm the cop.
lol what the fuck is this shit

VOTE: boonskiies
This is pretty bad.
my vote or his post?

I have to admit i'm voting him because i have nobody else to vote at the moment and i don't think there's any good wagons going right now. I'm not seriously considering unvoting right now but that's because it wouldn't really accomplish anything
i saw this post and instantly scumread you because it seems very fake. also you say that boon is obvs scum, but your reason for voting him was that the fact that you had nothing to go on

In post 1458, gerryoat wrote:did dunker seriously just say me and osuka can be teamed lol

In post 1546, gerryoat wrote:Game how in the world do you tr million

In post 1554, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1552, Eddie Cane wrote:boon Nero gerry are the only ppl I'm voting today
how can you team read us. at all

In post 1555, gerryoat wrote:like how can you seriously be satisfied with your reads when you say "hmm gerry/nero. or boon/nero could be teammates"

In post 1557, gerryoat wrote:I dont understand that logic

In post 1558, gerryoat wrote:Eddie, please tell me why you think you can meta me

In post 1779, gerryoat wrote:VOTE: assemble

In post 1876, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1781, Eddie Cane wrote:am I scum gerry
idk, i'm not focused on you right now. i have other ppl i scumread more

In post 1883, gerryoat wrote:im day cop with a guilty on assemble, vote it

In post 1907, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1906, Boonskiies wrote:why are you siding with Gerry after pushing him so long?
cause he's mafia

In post 1909, gerryoat wrote:he knows assemble will be lynched today, so he has to bus early rather than late. he knows my mislynch wont happen today

In post 2121, gerryoat wrote:im also day 1 cop. assemble is SK i confirm.

In post 2123, gerryoat wrote:mulch and boon are my hard TRs

In post 2221, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2198, osuka wrote:get on the gerry wagon pleaseeeeeeee
ahaha wtf is this post

In post 2278, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2257, Assemblerotws wrote:Why the fuck is absolutely everyone claiming they're a daycop and I'm a Serial Killer? Either people are lying or the mod left something out of my role pm, because it clearly says I'm vanilla town.
this is so fake. it hurts. i'm lynching this or nero today

This and your deathtunnel on Osuka are the sum total of Gerry's contribution to the game, and it sucks ass. Especially how he drops his claimed daycop on Mulch and then claims he used a daycop on me to get the bullshit that I'm a serial killer. If this is town, I will eat every hat my family owns.
VOTE: GerryOat

Assemblerotws · Post Post #2325 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25 am

In post 2324, Assemblerotws wrote:
In post 1323, gerryoat wrote:why isn't osuka lynched yet?

In post 1353, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1343, Mulch wrote:I feel like GerryGoat could be scum.

In post 1344, Mulch wrote:Their level of confidence does not match the situation
you mean like how you say im scum but dont vote me?

mulch is scum also prob. btw. but we lunch osuka today. hes 100% mafia.

In post 1371, gerryoat wrote:OKAY im day cop with a guilty on osuka. lynch it.

In post 1416, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1113, osuka wrote:
In post 1112, Mulch wrote:
In post 1108, osuka wrote:
In post 1014, Boonskiies wrote:You guys can lynch me today, though. There's a good chance I lied, and I'm actually Vengeful, and I'll venge kill Nero. Two birds with one stone. But there's always the chance I'm the cop.
lol what the fuck is this shit

VOTE: boonskiies
This is pretty bad.
my vote or his post?

I have to admit i'm voting him because i have nobody else to vote at the moment and i don't think there's any good wagons going right now. I'm not seriously considering unvoting right now but that's because it wouldn't really accomplish anything
i saw this post and instantly scumread you because it seems very fake. also you say that boon is obvs scum, but your reason for voting him was that the fact that you had nothing to go on

In post 1458, gerryoat wrote:did dunker seriously just say me and osuka can be teamed lol

In post 1546, gerryoat wrote:Game how in the world do you tr million

In post 1554, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1552, Eddie Cane wrote:boon Nero gerry are the only ppl I'm voting today
how can you team read us. at all

In post 1555, gerryoat wrote:like how can you seriously be satisfied with your reads when you say "hmm gerry/nero. or boon/nero could be teammates"

In post 1557, gerryoat wrote:I dont understand that logic

In post 1558, gerryoat wrote:Eddie, please tell me why you think you can meta me

In post 1779, gerryoat wrote:VOTE: assemble

In post 1876, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1781, Eddie Cane wrote:am I scum gerry
idk, i'm not focused on you right now. i have other ppl i scumread more

In post 1883, gerryoat wrote:im day cop with a guilty on assemble, vote it

In post 1907, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1906, Boonskiies wrote:why are you siding with Gerry after pushing him so long?
cause he's mafia

In post 1909, gerryoat wrote:he knows assemble will be lynched today, so he has to bus early rather than late. he knows my mislynch wont happen today

In post 2121, gerryoat wrote:im also day 1 cop. assemble is SK i confirm.

In post 2123, gerryoat wrote:mulch and boon are my hard TRs

In post 2221, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2198, osuka wrote:get on the gerry wagon pleaseeeeeeee
ahaha wtf is this post

In post 2278, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2257, Assemblerotws wrote:Why the fuck is absolutely everyone claiming they're a daycop and I'm a Serial Killer? Either people are lying or the mod left something out of my role pm, because it clearly says I'm vanilla town.
this is so fake. it hurts. i'm lynching this or nero today
This and your deathtunnel on Osuka are the sum total of Gerry's contribution to the game, and it sucks ass. Especially how he drops his claimed daycop on Mulch and then claims he used a daycop on me to get the bullshit that I'm a serial killer. If this is town, I will eat every hat my family owns.
VOTE: GerryOat

Scumread, not daycop. Misread, the previous claimed daycop was on Osuka.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #2447 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:57 pm

In post 2418, Eddie Cane wrote:In no order within categories, gonna change this by ebwop as I catch up. prolly not gonna read the whole thing but bored rn. these are my current reads as of now. btw, just skimming thoroughly not actually reading rofl fuck thay

town: mulch, creature,
soft town: boon (if you're scum I dare you to keep me alive ), gerry, tiam, dunker, osuka,
null: assemble, pere (pere is itg?_?), kidamn, dave, mm4 (very slightly scum but not enough to move), flairs, Mary, theta, massive, una, gr
soft scum + scum: nero, yumeko, wave,

I replaced PeregrineV. Game Replacement replacement IgnitionUSMC.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #2825 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:15 am

Yeah, that from Mulch looks like shit.
VOTE: Mulch
We can keep gerry alive to see how his partners interact with his lying ass.

Assemblerotws · Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:51 am

Based on this game, I have made changes to my upcoming Large Normal. There will be a Serial Killer, but there will also be variant roles which are as effective against Serial Killers as they are against Mafia.

Assemblerotws · Post Post #5648 (isolation #19) » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:55 pm

In post 5645, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 5643, Assemblerotws wrote:Based on this game, I have made changes to my upcoming Large Normal. There will be a Serial Killer, but there will also be variant roles which are as effective against Serial Killers as they are against Mafia.
Not sure if serious or not

1) if so you’ve just kinda hosed SK just by announcing existence, not sure that’s ok
2) just because a sk won here doesn’t mean it was SK sided. 1vs a shit ton of people is HARD

I was talking more about the discussion in the dead thread about SKs. I'm also going to work with the NRG to make sure a good SK can win even if everyone knows there's an SK.