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Oh right, now I have 30 episodes to watch before the next season startsIn post 646, Rhinox wrote:Just finished reading . Roughly 3 months and a week to read all 5 books. Now what am I going to do with my life?
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What about the audio? Was it at least 5.1?
Seems like I can get at least 6 months of HBO for the cost of buying all 3 seasons on DVD/bluray...
I appreciate the suggestions but I wasn't really looking for an alternative to HBO. I'm getting it, just leveraging my contract position with directv to try to get it for free/reduced price rather than full price. I will get more out of HBO than just watching GoT, and then I'll be able to watch the next season as it airs as well.- Rhinox
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This Game of Thrones show turned out to be pretty decent. Each season has gotten progressively better IMO. Still got a few episodes left in season 3 before I'm caught up. My favorite episode (so far) was when Dany got her unsullied army.
My wife's been watching with me (she hasn't read the books), and she's been complaining about being a little lost and the show being a little slow at times. She's having a little troubling keeping track of who all the characters are. She also complains about how every time she finally figures out who a character is they get killed off, which makes me chuckle inside a little bit.- Rhinox
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finished the last 3 episodes last night...
ALL THE FEELS
I was fighting back tears the entire Rains of Castamere episode trying hard to not give anything away for my wife. I think its harder to watch knowing what is about to happen.
GEE how can we make the RW even more sadder and shocking than the book? OH IDK how about we make Robb's wife pregnant and kill her off too!
My wife was royally pissed off by it which I knew would happen. She got even more pissed and almost stopped watching entirely after Ygritte shot Jon because she thought he was gonna die too. Basically the same reaction I had when I got to that part in the books, where I almost stopped reading because it was all so depressing and pointless. I wanted to tell her it gets less depressing soon, but she'll have to read the books or wait.- Rhinox
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First part:In post 2478, Venmar wrote:I read the whole third book, and I don't thinkJaime got a prosthetic hand? Or did I somehow miss that, I know he considered it in reference to the dead city watch captain's hand, but I don't think he actually got one.
Also Jon never swordfighted in the battle of Castle Black like the trailer portrayed, Jon was an archer due to his bad leg. Also Allister Thorne was not at Castle Black AT ALL at that point in the story, he came after the battle not before. (thought maybe he's replacing the one armed smith, idk)I don't know which book it happened in or how spoiler free you try to be so I'll just say keep reading.
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so I asked my family to get me Game of Thrones on bluray for christmas, and ultimately* I ended up with the first season special edition bluray set with a nice box and a dragon egg paperweight. The dragon egg is actually pretty sweet
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I'm pretty sure it was as much rape in the books as it was in the show:In post 2602, Tierce wrote:Commentary by Alex Graves on a certain scene in tonight's episode:
"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle."
There are no words in English that can properly convey how pissed off I am about this. Do you want to destroy Jaime's redemption arc? Fine, butcall it what it is. NCW knewexactlywhat his character was doing, he mentioned a while back that Jaime did something terrible in this season, so how come the director is so blind he doesn't notice that that scene ishow consensual sex works?not
Goddammit. On my favorite TV show no less.
Spoiler: Book Text
Just because she gives in in the next paragraph doesn't make it any less rapey in the book. show!Cersei also started willingly making out with show!Jamie so I definitely got the idea that some part of her wanted to have sex with Jamie, even if it absolutely was rape.
I don't see how this was much different than Dany's rape in the first season/book by drogo. In the book, she even says yes after she eventually gives in, while in the show she just sobs and cries the whole time. Book or show was clearly rape (just as this scene was), but the show was even more explicit/shocking (just as this scene was).
I guess I don't understand why this particular scene is so triggering but not the Dany rape scene in the very first episode of the series. If it is more the Director commentary, well I read your link and understand why you would react how you did to that particular comment, but I also found a hollywood reporter article with some of Alex Graves' comments:
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So, I don't really get a sense ofexcerpt wrote:She's a wreck. Tywin is really going on about this historical stuff, and you slowly start to go, "He's kidnapping her only boy," because she's not going to have him anymore. And then he succeeds, andthen Jaime comes in and he rapes her. That was like -- you read the scene and go, "Wait, who's directing this?" I'm never that excited about going to film forced sex.But the whole thing for me was about dead Joffrey lying there, watching the whole thing. (Showrunners) David (Benioff) and Dan (Weiss) loved that, and I was like, I wanted to make sure I had Jack in there as much as I could.Of course Lena and Nickola laughed every time I would say, "You grab her by the hair, and Jack is right there," or "You come around this way and Jack is right there."
at all from these comments. Probably best to reserve judgment until we've heard comments directly from Graves himself, and not make snap judgments based on 3rd hand info from 1 or 2 internet website articles.In post 2606, Tierce wrote:an undertone of "the director thought that it wasn't rape even though he's aware that the whole scene made everyone involved uncomfortable".
And I also found another article with some of NCW's commentary:
linky againexcerpt wrote:So is it rape?”
“Yes, and no,” says Coster-Waldau. “There are moments where she gives in, and moments where she pushes him away. But it’s not pretty.
He adds, “It’s going to be interesting what people think about it.”
before you react, here's the whole context:
So, I don't really see anyone not calling it rape, even if Cersei "gives in" at any point. If some website would have just quoted the part I did in the partial excerpt, it probably would have got the same reaction. I don't really understand the anger at this scene, or surprise at shock value. I mean, by season 4 people should generally expect this kind of stuff from GoT right?full excerpt wrote:“It was tough to shoot, as well,” says Coster-Waldau. “There is significance in that scene, and it comes straight from the books—it’s George R.R. Martin’s mind at play.It took me awhile to wrap my head around it, because I think that, for some people, it’s just going to look like rape. The intention is that it’s not just that; it’s about two people who’ve had this connection for so many years, and much of it is physical, and much of it has had to be kept secret, and this is almost the last thing left now. It’s him trying to force her back and make him whole again because of his stupid hand.”<snip>
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So is it rape?
“Yes, and no,” says Coster-Waldau. “There are moments where she gives in, and moments where she pushes him away. But it’s not pretty.
He adds, “It’s going to be interesting what people think about it.”
If anything, I think the failure of the scene was in either the acting or directing to better communicate just how much cersei was actually "giving in" while being raped, but the scene was always rape. I always interpretted the book scene as rape as well. Actually, the book was even more "It's not rape because she wanted it" than the filmed show scene was. Same with the Dany book scene. IMO, the show should get credit for making rape look like rape and be uncomfortable where the book is more ambiguous about it.- Rhinox
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lolzIn post 2702, ChannelDelibird wrote:Jaime/Cersei original shoot script leaked
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In post 2698, xRECKONERx wrote:I'm more talking about the fact that we get tits and vag and female nudity every goddamn episode and the amount of male nudity is, I think, 2-3 times the entire show for a brief moment?
Well to be fair there is probably equal if not more male chest than female chest shown, and as for the P vs V argument, I'd argue that more P than V has been shown, as HBO full frontal female doesn't usually actually show much if any of the female organ at all. At best it would be like just a part of the slit usually obscurred. With full frontal male, you pretty much get to see all there is to see, so if you got to see 1 cock, you're technically winningIn post 2699, Venmar wrote:Well, generally, even for HBO, female nudity is viewed as more okay (acceptable, maybe?) than male nudity, for some reason I think. Though I wouldn't complain if I got to see some Jaime cock.- Rhinox
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Umm yeah I thought it was pretty obviously just a silly argumentIn post 2710, Tierce wrote:Your argument is disingenuous, Rhinox. As long as they make warnings for female nudity when you see a naked female, as long as that keeps being censored, and as long as a crotch is a sexual image--it doesn't matter if you don't technically see her vulva.You're dwelling on technicalities to make a silly argument when it's obvious that it's a skewed ratio.- Rhinox
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Idk I think the bran stuff even in the book is probably important even if its kinda boring at times. I was never really bored with his book scenes like others were though. I think probably they just need to keep showing him to remind viewers about him and the fact that he's probably going to be important sooner or later, even if it means inventing some plot for him to do. *UPCOMING PLOT*otherwise we'd probably be done with him this season. Next important event for bran is meeting up with coldhands and heading north right? That's probably early next season stuff at the earliest.Besides, we've already had one stark kid disappear from the plot.
Well it was corny but the whole point is to set up *UPCOMING PLOT*In post 2751, xRECKONERx wrote:Also holy shit, can I just say Ihatethe WHO WILL GO ON THIS EPIC QUEST trope where instead of doing something rational, the volunteer goes, "Okay, I could raise my hand or shout out that I'm in... nah, I know, I'll STAND UP SLOWLY AND DRAMATICALLY AND SILENTLY TO SHOW MY SUPPORT!" That whole scene at the Wall was gross. Kit Harrington has gotten better but he is still kind of boring to watch, and he's not exactly surrounded by compelling characters or actors. Please god, let *BOOK 3 SPOILER*Stannis the Mannis arrive sooner rather than later to inject some flavor into that whole situation up there.Jon eventually becoming Lord Commander. They're just showing how much respect and influence Jon is gaining.
Also, wasn't the Locke? character (the new recruit at the wall that befriends Jon) the same guythat was with the Boltons, and cut off Jaime's hand? That is off book as well, isn't it? I guess he will probably try to kill Jon during the attack on crasters. They kinda alluded to something like that happening with the short clip with the Boltons in the "previously on..." segment.- Rhinox
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That was really warg!Bran thoIn post 2800, xRECKONERx wrote:Watching Hodor straight up break Locke's neck was fantastic;
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(Nobody fucks with my Hodor; NOBODY!)
ooooooh right Thats what was going on there. Tyrell and Martell are judges also. derp. I was wondering what was going on with cersei that episode, especially the being nice to Margaery part.In post 2800, xRECKONERx wrote:Cersei's scenes trying to manipulate the judges were great (Margaery's scene was acted perfectly by both Lena Headey and Natalie Dormer).
One thing thats starting to kind of bug me is the whole "slice Bran's leg to remind us / prove to someone he's paralyzed" bit - I mean, he might not be able to feel anything, but no one is treating those cuts and they would be bound to get infected.- Rhinox
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In post 2802, Seacore wrote:I don't think Locke would be too concerned with infection.
umm I know?? I'm not talking about Locke, I'm talking about it just being a device used by the writers to show someone or the viewers bran is crippled. Just because Bran can't feel the injury doesn't mean that getting his leg gashed open wouldn't be a serious wound in the world of GoT. This is at least the 2nd time his leg has been sliced open (that I remember, there probably were more) and the wounds have been more than just scratches. Nearly every other time a character gets a cut in the series it is major - some characters die from the infection, others survive after being treated by maesters or pouring boiling wine on the wound. But bran is crippled and can't feel pain so he can get cut and won't bleed out or get infected, its all good.In post 2804, Venmar wrote:Locke cut brans leg to see if he was crippled, and as a result actually Bran Stark, not for fun or to infect him.(and since it seems to be missed, this wasn't an entirely serious point anyways :p)- Rhinox
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Yeah I was thinking that scene basically confirms it was Emilia Clarke who was the actress refusing to do any more nude scenes from that article last year. That was probably the first completely off-screen sex scene in the whole show, wasn't it?- Rhinox
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There was a very impressive 1 take shot that started as soon as jon came down off the wall and continued for a good 30 seconds at least panning around the entire set. I love watching for those kinds of shots in TV shows and especially movies. They're my favorite.In post 2910, xRECKONERx wrote:Visually and technically, it was masterful.- Rhinox
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I read the books before I watched the show and it took me a while to really get into it. I don't know what it was about the first season, if it was that I knew everything that was coming or I was trying to work out how the characters I created in my head while reading matched the show characters, or if it was just the lower budget campy feel or the poorer acting 1-dimensional characters (both comparatively to the later seasons) but I remember when I got through season 1 I remember thinking that the show wasn't nearly as good as people were making it out to be. Seasons 2 and 3 were what sold it for me as the characters were developed more and became less 1-dimensional. Now when I go back and rewatch season 1 I appreciate it a lot more than the first time I watched it.- Rhinox
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That should really not be in this thread JH
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In post 3237, xRECKONERx wrote:R+L=J confirmed last night for any keen watchers
Spoiler: R+L=J commentary from last episode- Rhinox
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Honestly this season just feels like D&D hated aFfC/aDwD and are just trying to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible without worrying about what happens in between. We're getting 2 books worth of plot in 10 episodes. They'll be at least 20 episodes for the final 2 books and while D&D are on record saying the only want the series to last 7 seasons, HBO execs are also on record claiming they want GOT to last 10 seasons. I don't know how they get to 10 but the point is that this season is all about setting up and getting to a point to start the end game. I just hope GRRM gets The Winds of Winter out before season 6 like he hopes >.>- Rhinox
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In post 3277, xRECKONERx wrote:Didn't GRRM already say TWOW won't come out this year? So, I guess you can hope he gets it out in the first 3 months of 2016.
I did hear no TWOW in 2015 but I also heard GRRM hopes to have it done by/around season 6 of GOT.
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/04/03/ge ... -season-6/
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In post 3284, Iecerint wrote:There's a plot-hole right now with Stannis using red magic to kill Balon way back in Season 3, which admittedly is long enough ago to drop if they want, but I think they can make space if they want to.
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In post 3358, Iecerint wrote:It looks like Sam's plotlineabout going to the Citadelis probably cut.
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In post 3385, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 3382, Iecerint wrote:Theon needs character development if he's going to do anything novel.
If he had intervened in that scene, for example, it would have broken my suspension of disbelief.
Yes, having Theon be reawoken by seeing a Stark, and feeling remorse for what he did... that wouldn't be enough.Clearly, watching his childhood friend get raped is the only way to advance HIS story! Let's make sure Sansa's agency and her RAPE at the hands of Ramsay serve Theon's story!
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In post 3402, Iecerint wrote:I think part of the reasoning here is that Sophie Turner doesn't want to be too naked and stuff, but ye know.
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In post 3414, xRECKONERx wrote:Man, you know how they could've completely fixed that rape scene?
Have the Myranda/Sansa bathing scene happen immediately afterwards, instead of before.
That way, we see the horrific thing, we see her go through it... then we see this scene with Myranda, where she tries to torment her, and in the face of what has happened, we see Sansa stand strong and say "nothing can hurt me". BOOM. Get fucked owned.
Instead, we just remove all the badass agency she had in the bathing scene with a rape.
I'm just going to pretend it was edited the wrong way now.
That's pretty good. Although that's not to say something like that won't be coming in the next episode. I hope this isn't going to be another 4 episodes of sansa being a victim until she goes and lights a candle and gets rescued or whatever.
I was actually expecting or hoping they were going to flip the scene entirely. Set it up with Ramsay telling Reek to stay and make us all think oh shit and then Sansa actually talks to Ramsay/manipulates him, convinces him to send reek out, and then takes the dominant position in the scene for the rest. To build upon the "Make this Bolton boy yours" conversation with Littlefinger. Even if they film it as if Ramsay is just entertained by it and plays along, or even if it didn't work and Ramsay did what he was going to do anyways. For me, it didn't make sense for Sansa to be standing there just petrified. She had to have been starting to think Ramsay was a bit fucked up but he hadn't really given her reason to be afraid of him. She really knows nothing about him other than how he treated Theon and what the scorned girlfriend said. She had to have known and expected that she was going to have to have sex with this guy, from back in Moat Caitlin when Littlefinger told her the plan. She decided to continue on, she wasn't forced to continue to winterfell (maybe she would have been if she said no, but that's not what happened). I'm sure she knew exactly what was going to happen when she was talking with Littlefinger in the crypts and said "I expect I'll be a married woman when you return". She knew exactly what that meant. After Littlefinger left I'll buy that she no longer had a choice in anything and I'm in no way trying to say it wasn't rape, only that up until she got in the room and Ramsay told Theon to stay she knew and went along with exactly what was going to be expected of her in this plan of her getting married to Ramsay. It bothered me most that Sansa didn't try to reason with Ramsay at all. That was the big missed opportunity in the whole situation IMO. It made it seem like Sansa was just upset that this was all going to happen in front of theon and that she just instantly realized how fucked up Ramsay really is, because she walked into that room knowing and expecting to have to have sex with Ramsay.- Rhinox
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In post 3429, AngryPidgeon wrote:Nope. Nope. Nope.
That was the end of the line.
This is the point of no return in this discussion and it just happened.
Abandon ship.
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In post 3432, Iecerint wrote:I think he is inferring that you are blaming Sansa for being raped because she did not resist.
I think your intent is more that we have been groomed for 1.5 seasons now to see Sansa as someone with guile, so seeing her end up in the same situation again is really disappointing, especially when there were lots of other narrative choices that would have made it different.
This is correct. I'm not blaming Sansa at all. I'm blaming the writers. I'm saying that it didn't make sense for them to write it that way because it seemed out of character for ShowSansa to not have said anything if we're supposed to believe she's had any character development at all up til now. We're led to believe she's supposed to be trying to manipulate Ramsay through her conversations with Littlefinger, but then they don't show her as even trying to do that. Instead, it reminded me of the scene after she married Tyrion, like she hasn't grown at all as a character from that point til now. It took me out of the scene completely.
In post 3434, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 3428, Rhinox wrote:She had to have known and expected that she was going to have to have sex with this guy, from back in Moat Caitlin when Littlefinger told her the plan.
Because this is passively suggesting that its ok for this to happen because Sansa was expecting it.
"But AP, that isn't my point"
Well then make better posts.
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In post 3433, Iecerint wrote:Something to consider is that she was still, ye know, a virgin. First time is always a little awkward, even after you've decided to manipulate everyone.
In post 3435, Iecerint wrote:He is saying that he expected Sansa to go in with a plan, because the writers have been presenting her as someone who is learning to plan and scheme.
But she didn't, because she needs Theon to rescue her or whatever.
In-universe, she underestimated how awkward her first time would be and didn't account for Theon watching.
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This season just does not seem to have any gravitas, IMO. There's no drama, no sense of action rising towards a climax, no crescendo, no anticipation, etc. I know pretty much whats coming in the next 3 episodes as far as the major points that are supposed to be climax points to the story, but the problem is the show has not done a very good job building up to those moments. Many of the plot lines just feel like wasting time until its time to have the big moment - but in doing so, its going to completely subdue the effect of the big moments IMO. I don't remember this being a problem in past seasons, even when I also knew what was coming.
Dorne really is the most disappointing. I mean, even set aside the poorly written dialog and the not up to GOT standards acting and just outline what has happened in Dorne - Bronn and Jamie sail to Dorne, steal a couple horses, ride to the Water Gardens and attempt to take back Myrcella, only to fail and get arrested. Meanwhile, we are introduced to the Sand Snakes, and Obara sends them to Kill Mycella where they also fail and get arrested. That, all stretched out over 7 episodes, doesn't feel like 7 episodes of plot. It might have been alright if it had been better written and used all that time to develop characters a little better, but it wasn't.
(And the opening credits still bug me - "Winterfell", "King's Landing", "Braavos", "Meereen", "DORNE". Dorne is a whole kingdom, not a city, castle, or single point on the map >.>. It's not only disrespectful to Dorne of the books, but also completely insulting to the viewers)
Contrast the Dorne plotline with the Journey of Tyrion. Tyrion and Varys arrive in Pentos. They travel from Pentos to Volantis by carraige, where Tyrion is abducted in a brothel by Jorah. Tyrion and Jorah sail through Valyria where they are attacked by stone men and Jorah becomes infected. Afterwards, they are both abducted by slavers, sailed to Meereen, and sold to the fighting pits of Meereen, where they meet Dany. This is a ton of plot for 7 episodes. So much plot that it was poorly developed along the way. It was like a checklist of things to do in order to get Tyrion and Jorah to Dany.
The comparison of these 2 storylines just show the problem this season has with inconsistent pacing which just drains all the air out of everything. But whats worse is that the acting is so much worse this season than in past seasons. There are some well acted moments but they are very few and far between. That Stannis and Shireen scene earier on was great. Theon's actor is absolutely killing it as Reek. Doran is good, for like the 10 seconds of screen time he's had. But the majority of whats going on is very flat. It all goes back to poor writing. And that likely comes from the fact that so much is off-book. D&D really have shown they're not very good at inventing their own stuff for GoT. And it doesn't help that they seem to think that people won't notice or care as long as there's SHOCK and DRAGONS(and RAPE, apparently).- Rhinox
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I liked the fight at the wall last season as well. edit: I liked Hardhome more, tho
I'm probably most pleasantly surprised about the fact that the whole hardhome thing is pretty much a D&D creation and not something that happened in the books. Its the first real deviation that doesn't feel like something lesser than the source material, IMO.- Rhinox
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In post 3531, Aeronaut wrote:I really liked it when Ramsay said "A feast for crows"
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In post 3540, Faraday wrote:In post 3533, Rhinox wrote:In post 3531, Aeronaut wrote:I really liked it when Ramsay said "A feast for crows"
That line was kinda cringeworthy for me, actually.
at least he's not BREAKING THE WHEEL or w/e that was
Yeah they were both kinda cringe inducing dialogues. But at least Daeny's line made sense in the context of the story, whereas Ramsay's line was just shoehorned in there to force a reference to the title of the book in a way that completely misses the point of what the actual "feast for crows" really was.- Rhinox
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In post 3551, AniX wrote:Normally I'm in a cage of rage when the show diverts from the books, but this was actually pretty alright with me, because it wasn't really spoiling anything. We already know the White Walkers are amassing a zombie army in the books. We already know they are dangerous. We gain no new information from this episode than we did from the books at the same point in Jon's story, except we get a fight scene that plays really well on TV.
Well we did learn thatValyrian steel does in fact kill Others;which has only been hinted at in the books and not yet confirmed.- Rhinox
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In post 3702, Aeronaut wrote:Really just watching for Tyrion at this point
Tyrion speaking valyrian was lolzy
In post 3703, eyestott wrote:I really enjoyed this episode actually
It became a game at one point
Who's gonna die in this scene?
When it got to dorne, and Sand kissed Mercella, I was all like "ITS POISON" but my sister and brother were like "don't be stupid"
Nek minnit
Even this "payoff" to the dorne plot is stupid. Trystane was already being willingly sent off to be a hostage. Now he's probably going to be executed. Is ellaria just trying to start a war then and doesn't care if the heir of dorne is lost? That might make a sliver of sense if it were ARIANNA doing these things...- Rhinox
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In post 3735, RichardGHP wrote:I kind of feel like they didn't really lay the ground work for that in the show, though.
Yeah, but this season proved they don't really care about laying ground work for pretty much anything.
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I'm just finishing up my annual series re-watch. 9.5 episodes through season 5, its still p. bad, but for some reason doesn't seem as bad as the first go round. Idk. Expectations for S6 are definitely lowered though haha.
As for finding out plot points on the show first, that might be a benefit for the enjoyability of the show. I watched movies adapted from books that get universally panned, mostly for "not following the source material", that I enjoyed on first watch only to find out later its actually terrible after seeing how much better the source material is. The last airbender and Seventh Son are 2 horrible movies. I liked airbender at first then hated it only after watching the series. I hated seventh son because I read the books first. I've never felt that watching the show/movie first has ruined a book I've later read though, so I'm not too worried about the show ruining winds.- Rhinox
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In post 3775, Glork wrote:Slept on it. Woke up with one prevailing thought:Leading up to Melisandre giving her life to bring back her son from the dead.
huh? Are you saying thatJon Snow is Melisandre's son? Because I can see her giving her life to bring snow back. Or are you thinking we're going to see the shadow baby "son" again? I'm confused..
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I'm just a little disappointed that so little plot was furthered. It was basically one big establishing shot. I know its kinda like this every season but I wish they didn't waste like 10% of the season doing not much more than reminding us where everyone is and what the state of things is.
I'm also a little confused abouttrystane. Wasn't he on the boat to king's landing with Myrcella and Jamie to go sit on the small council? At the end of last season, ellaria and the 3 sand snakes were all on the dock when Myrcella was dying on the boat. When Trystane got the spear through his head he was painting rocks to cover someone's eyes. And it looked like he was on a ship. So where was he, and who's rocks was he painting? - Rhinox
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