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[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

mod I'll basically be in the woods of WVA Friday & Saturday doing a Ragnar and Sunday probably in a coma so v/la this weekend

[Robbnva]

What's up people's.

i dislike your actress' avi

Haters gonna Hate.

To be fair you could definitely find a hotter picture.

[Robbnva]

Noting you noting me.

[Robbnva]

I haven't put one down either. Does that bug you also or just cloud?

[Robbnva]

I haven't put one down either. Does that bug you also or just cloud?

You said you're away so am assuming you aren't really 'all here' right now.

Cloudkicker is the only player who seems to be getting to page2 and is not trying to sort alignments or build pressure anywhere. To that end:

Vote: Cloudkicker

I'm away this weekend. Friday-Sunday.

[Robbnva]

neither of those things are good reasons to scum read somebody. I don't think he was serious about the wagoning somebody. Sheep voting certainly isn't scummy and it definitely isn't alignment indicative.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: jordan

[Robbnva]

I would still like a reason for not wanting to RVS @Rob @cloud

Seems to me everywhere I read talks about how RVS is a good idea

not sure why you need a reason but I don't really have one. I am just not a fan of it. Also typically me not RVS voting usually draws attention to myself and that ends up being more useful than me posting a random vote on somebody.

[Robbnva]

Also typically me not RVS voting usually draws attention to myself and that ends up being more useful than me posting a random vote on somebody.

You're that sure of yourself, are you?

Yes.

[Robbnva]

Also not to get into setup spec too early or anything but do you think the lack of mafia daychat indicates a mafia encryptor is around?

Impossible to tell really. I think it's a mod preference but refresh my memory. Mafia encryptor would only allow mafia to talk yes? If town had something like masons/neighbors/cults or whatever they wouldn't benefit from that right? Yes I know cults aren't allowed. Just thinking out loud.

[Robbnva]

Maybe theyre mason

Doubt it

[Robbnva]

Town would need its own encryptor.

THats what I thought. Thanks

[Robbnva]

I guess I misread robb's post since I forgot what day it was, but yeah I dislike his reasoning as well. On the site I'm from an unwillingness to participate in RVS gets you lynched pretty quick because mostly only scum have a reason to not like it.

Thst site sucks.

[Robbnva]

The site I came from is a shit show. Nobod knows what they are doing and we used to lynch people day 1 cause it was "their turn"

[Robbnva]

It has? I don't remember you being any good at finding scum

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This focus on setup makes me dislike Robb as well, at the moment.

If you don't like early game, at what point do you start trying to find scum?

What focus on setup?

I've been trying to find scum the entire time. I've got a serious vote down already even.

[Robbnva]

The reasons for my vote came in the post right before my vote. Somebody who's reading the game in context could see that. Also if somebody wants to know why I'm doing something they can ask me.

The setup stuff is weak. I'm just giving my opinion on something that somebody else mentions.

I never told anyone they weren't good (not yet anyway. That will happen eventually) and I'm having conversations with people. Not every post needs to be about the game and trust me you want me calm and happy. You won't like me when I'm angry.

[Robbnva]

neither of those things are good reasons to scum read somebody. I don't think he was serious about the wagoning somebody. Sheep voting certainly isn't scummy and it definitely isn't alignment indicative.

Ironically the exact opposite of your logic was used on you.

Honestly I just can't see how sheep voting is completely NAI.

I don't really care about diving into mafia theory right now but I can think of 4 examples of when it's not AI. I feel like you should know at least 2/3 of them and you acting like you don't just supports my thinking you could be scum.

[Robbnva]

neither of those things are good reasons to scum read somebody. I don't think he was serious about the wagoning somebody. Sheep voting certainly isn't scummy and it definitely isn't alignment indicative.

Are you referring to this?

This is a post where you're telling someone that their reasons for scum reading someone aren't good reasons. That's not explaining your reasons for scum reading Jordarrian, that's saying that Jordarrian has bad reasons. Those are two different things.

Also just as an aside. There's also two people who posted between Jordarrian's post and your one, and you didn't quote Jordarrian. That makes it very messy to have to decipher who you're referring to, if people have to go back a page and figure out which of the three people's posts you're responding to. For the sake of clarity, please try to quote the person you're responding to so that we can avoid ambiguity.

I'm also not much of a fan of the, 'don't make me angry' stuff. Just empty threats really and I don't see how such statements are supposed to help the town be cooperative.

Yes he had bad reasons, and that was scummy to me so i voted him.

If you have trouble following my train of thought, just ask. I'm playing on a mobile and I'm not always going to take time to read posts that are made when typing.

[Robbnva]

@Robb - is someone questioning your vote really something that should make you angry? Am I missing something here?

The questioning my vote isn't the issue. He's criticizing me making posts that he deems useless. I was having a conversation with others, one was about the game and the other was about how other sites we play are different. Trying to use that against me will make me angry.

[Robbnva]

Generally I am suspicious of people who seem overly comfortable like Robb and Fykus, however, I think that's just how Fykus plays TBH. Don't know about Robb. I would like to see some real discussion from him about his vote.

Why is it suspicious to you?

[Robbnva]

He's a classic counter puncher.

lol. I think my sig describes me to a tee

[Robbnva]

It seems rather confusing to have someone simultaneously say, "don't make me angry" when I ask them questions, and then follow-up with, "if you have questions about my play, just ask".

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I don't have an issue with somebody asking me to explain myself. But to imply im scummy for having conversations with others will make me angry.

Like the setup thing. Somebody mentioned masons. I honestly don't think we have masons in this setup so I spoke out.

Talking about other sites is just "shooting the shit" killing time. It's not always going to be like that.

I did have an issue with you saying I was calling people bad. I don't think I've done that yet. I don't handle false accusations very well.

[Robbnva]

Generally I am suspicious of people who seem overly comfortable like Robb and Fykus, however, I think that's just how Fykus plays TBH. Don't know about Robb. I would like to see some real discussion from him about his vote.

Why is it suspicious to you?

It makes me think they know who's a threat and who isn't, unlike a real townsperson who has no idea who's going to stab them in the back.

Fair. My only response is that it's early. I'm trying really hard to control my anger so I'm letting the game progress naturally. I tend to dominate the post count and the discussion and I'm trying to not do that as much.

don't know you or that person but it kind of looks like they were more insulting you than anything.

Well yes he was being insulting cause he and I don't get along. We don't get along cause that's literally how I play.

Most of my games my top scum reads are people who scum read me. Mainly cause the arguments against me are usually BS and I can't see town using such bad reasoning.

Why does it make you angry for people to imply you're scummy

Cause I'm don't ever consider myself scummy. I play as genuine as possible and if somebody thinks that's scummy they are either a poor player or scum.

[Robbnva]

not town trying to solve the game?

Just cause people are not making every post about the game doesn't mean they are not trying to solve the game.

Part of the game is pushing on people, but it's also observing others.

[Robbnva]

I think that first part is missing a post. But you said why you were suspicious of me and I explained what I was doing. I haven't really seen you say if you've accepted me explanation or not. If you haven't than yes you are scum or a bad player.

I don't play to appear town. I don't really care how I look to others.

And I am trying to cooperate with people.

[Robbnva]

@neceo

For starters I never told you to not to make me angry. Idk if your reading comprehension issues are genuine or fake but that's twice I've had to correct you.

I haven't contradicted myself either. I explained all this already in post 168

I haven't called anyone bad yet so I don't know why you have brought that up again. But to answer your question, if I determine someone is a bad player, I won't be interested in cooperating with them. Like you seem to be trying to twist my words and if you are town you definitely have some reading comprehension issues so I really don't care about working with you ATM.

Yes I'm observing.

My observations right now is I think Jordan is scummy and I think you started "scum reading" me for my comments about the masons and threw other stuff in to make it look better. Sort of looks like you are role fishing tbh.

As for me not "throwing my weight around" I don't really need to justify my play to you.

[Robbnva]

For now you've just been killing time. So does that mean I can expect you to have good content later on then? And if you don't, then what? What's to stop you from making the same excuse next time someone says you're being scummy and your response is that you're just "shooting the shit". When do we hit the changeover point where your play changes from that to actually making game related posts?

well "good" is always subjective especially in my case but yes, once I get stronger reads you will definitely see me posting more and pushing harder.

I can't tell you what to do if I don't live up to your expectations of how I should play, but know that I am not sitting here worried about your expectations.

So you're saying that you won't cooperate with a town player if you deem them to be bad, which pretty much just seems to depend on whether or not they scumread you. Where am I twisting your words? I'm simply restating the things that you're saying, so if there's a contradiction you might want to be a little bit clearer about things then

Well I won't really know who is town or not until they flip, but there are many reasons why I won't work with somebody. Scum reading me isn't the only thing. I have ignored players who give bad mafia theory, I have ignored people who have a shitty attitude, I have ignored people who ask redundant questions, I will always ignore people who blatantly lie especially if they don't admit their mistake when proven wrong.

Your posts seem to be contradicting one another in their meaning at this stage. A post telling me to not make you angry. Another saying, "if you have questions, just ask". And then another claiming that anyone who scumreads you is either a bad player or scum, but that you're also trying to cooperate. Can you explain to me how calling people bad players foster cooperation?

this is you twisting my words imo.

I never said asking me questions would make me angry. That is actually part of why I do the things I do. I WANT people to interact with me. What I don't want though is people to just attack me without trying to understand my thought process. That doesn't read like a townie mindset and that is why I end up scum reading people who scum read me.

The whole bad player/cooperation thing also feels like twisting. Especially since I haven't called anyone bad yet. In the end I won't be able to cooperate with everyone, hell given my history in the end I probably won't end up being able to cooperate with anyone but let's see how things go.

[Robbnva]

Speaking of tchill, where is he?

Tchill is here. This day 1 seems a little strange. There's not a stupid wagon on someone by page 5.

I was hoping one would have formed on Jordan. He was scummy enough but it stalled for some reason. He also seemed to come out agreessive early and but has stalled since. I feel like possible scum trying to lay low now.

[Robbnva]

Speaking of tchill, where is he?

Tchill is here. This day 1 seems a little strange. There's not a stupid wagon on someone by page 5.

I was hoping one would have formed on Jordan. He was scummy enough but it stalled for some reason. He also seemed to come out agreessive early and but has stalled since. I feel like possible scum trying to lay low now.

How exactly am I "stalling"?

So while I felt your early posts were scummy, they were sort of aggressive. You took some things and ran with that and voted. Since then you've said "my bad" twice, and seem lower energy

[Robbnva]

Why haven't we lynched Tchill yet?

Cause you haven't made a convincing argument and people aren't seeing what you are seeing ?

Why is he scum? You have been asked already to explain but haven't.

[Robbnva]

So meta off one game?

[Robbnva]

you used the wrong spoiler tag

@mod can you fix his spoilers? thanks

[Robbnva]

@the "you won't like me when I'm angry " it is nod to an Incredible Hulk movie. But there is some truth behind it. People don't like playing with me because of, not so much my anger but my agressiveness. It's something I always try to work on but old habits die hard.

[Robbnva]

Why are you not voting Robb at this point

That's an excellent point. I feel like with all his suspicion towards me he should definitely be voting me. He's not focused on whoever he is voting so it's being wasted.

If he thinks I'm scum, he should vote me.

But I'm not going to react to it if he does. I'm trying to break my old bad habits.

[Robbnva]

It still bothers me that you twice tried to shut down discussion with "too early" comments, and yeah, I don't think robb

is

being robb, he's pretty muted by his standards. He has also said he's just trying to keep his cool this game so maybe that's all it is, but it pings me that you were so quick to defend him. Enough to not wagon with you at least, I'm happy with my vote on BBT.

this is why meta is bad. you have 1 game against me and I had a very provable role that game that I was itching to use. I have since dialed down my play since that game, but unfortunately they are all ongoing.

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list reads are usually an attempt to look townish. kind of wish people would just stop doing them

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my issue with his list, besides the fact he made one, is he is basically town reading the active players, and then included bbt.

bbt should be null.


I don't understand the sof, backhand or necro reads either. maybe he will explain them at some point.

@ cloud - can you explain this sof scum read please

[Robbnva]

@ sofiel - fyi, to link directly to posts numbers you can use the post brackets which can be accessed via the post menu in post preview or reply mode or you can type them [*post*] [*/post*] (leave out the *s obviously)

I think that is what you were trying to do in your spoilers from post 235

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my issue with his list, besides the fact he made one, is he is basically town reading the active players, and then included bbt.

bbt should be null.


I don't understand the sof, backhand or necro reads either. maybe he will explain them at some point.

@ cloud - can you explain this sof scum read please

Bbt will be whatever how i read him

Explain the scum read please.

[Robbnva]

Daykills are allowed in normals?

Yes

[Robbnva]

tone, iso was bad

That's not good enough. Tone is hard to pick up first of all. What else you got?

[Robbnva]

I hope this is legit cause I hate stupid gambits

[Robbnva]

Pre/in lol

[Robbnva]

VOTE: havo

[Robbnva]

The day kill. I was about to vote cloud before you did that. I don't tolerate bs gambits and been burned by too many scum using them for town cred. Plus I hate lying. So you're scum

[Robbnva]

The day kill. I was about to vote cloud before you did that. I don't tolerate bs gambits and been burned by too many scum using them for town cred. Plus I hate lying. So you're scum

Yeah but I'm not.

I'm not so sure I believe you.

[Robbnva]

Well I don't fully trust him either so I don't really care what he has to say

[Robbnva]

I am paranoid cop and can only check people who voted me the day before

That would be an awesome role.

[Robbnva]

The only people that care about being seen as town are scum lovelife. Town should only have one priority and that is lynching scum. Not looking town.

Was going to give my own answer but basically this. My answer would have had way more snark

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Daykills are allowed in normals?

Sincere apologies cloud kicker. I thought you made this post.

The fact that hop has been here 4 years and asks that question bothers me a little.

[Robbnva]

I gave my reasons already

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UNVOTE:

going to enjoy my v/la weekend and reassess if I should even be playing mafia anymore since everyone thinks I am such a shitty player.

[Robbnva]

I wonder if havo's stunt was to draw attention from jord

[Robbnva]

are you high or misremembering?

I was voting jord before I changed to havo, jord was my top scum read and I was pretty much pushing on him before you made your case on him

[Robbnva]

in fact jordan's last 4 posts were in direct response to me pushing on him

[Robbnva]

you wanted cloud dead cause he was mean to you. I know what that is like, lots of people want me dead for the same reason

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yeah, I just don't see what the point of faking a day kill was. It causes unnecessary confusion.

jord or cloud are where I will probably vote but I want to calm down and enjoy my trip and come back with fresh eyes. People say I tunnel too much so let me step back

[Robbnva]

drawing attention is scummy, but it's actually not alignment indicative, but when you add in how little you are doing to help progress the game and not really scum hunting not to mention refusing to explain yourself especially when asked, it adds up to probably scum

[Robbnva]

yeah post 75 were my original reasons for voting him
I added post 194 and post 203

so in his last 4 posts, I directly responded to 3 of them. I didn't respond to his last one cause I didn't really feel it was necessary to.

I didn't respond to your case because I didn't really feel like I had to since i thought it was good.

[Robbnva]

Saul Goodman

[Robbnva]

Idk how he is on this site but where we played I always had a hard time getting him lynched.

[Robbnva]

if more policy lynches happened, people may be more likely to give effort in games

[Robbnva]

Ok back and planning on reading up tonight or tomorrow. If anyone can give me a summary of what's been going on that would be awesome.

[Robbnva]

Jordash aka pisskop got taken to L-1 but has posted some town seeming things so the wagon stalled and theres the startof one on me for some raisin

I'll read the posts but based on Jordan's play I'm all for his lynch. Replacements need to do some really amazing shit to change my read. I'll see if pisskop has done anything like that.

[Robbnva]

Are we going to ignore the beetlejuice in the room?

What are you talking about?

[Robbnva]

BEETLEJUICE

[Robbnva]

Those links you posted don't point to any beetle juice examples. Unless I'm missing something. Besides that isn't a legit scumtell anyway.

Idk who that act protown comment was meant for

[Robbnva]

Beetlejuice traditionally implies the sudden presence of an active lurker when mentioned by name.

And, by extension, the sudden presence and farce participation, of a lurking scumbag

In my experience it's when you suddenly appear after somebody has mentioned your name. Before my weekend trip I don't remember tchill being a lurker so I don't even think your definition would apply either.

Your predecessor was a lurker though

[Robbnva]

will you join me in my quest to rid the land of such scum so that the children and noble mothers might be able to rest easy at night knowing our valiant efforts will keep them safe?

I scum read your predecessor and while I haven't read the posts you've made since you have come in, the recent ones I've read don't make me think any different about your slot.

Like cmon man. Telling people to act protown? What is that garbage? Act yourself. Only one who has to "act protown" is scum.

[Robbnva]

I saw a man who got shamed out for being new and having awful senses.

Jordan wasn't new though.

[Robbnva]

Like cmon, you say 'i wanna catch up' and then dont.
Then you talk about how 'pk slot was a scumread, so let me maintain agonisms with it'.

Dont you want to figure out the wagon? The growth and sputtering of the wagon has significance.

Is this directed to me?

[Robbnva]

Ok back and planning on reading up tonight or tomorrow. If anyone can give me a summary of what's been going on that would be awesome.

because if so learn the definition of what tonight and tomorrow means and shut the f up.

You want me to town read you? You don't help yourself by antognizing me

[Robbnva]

I can talk about anything new people want to discuss but I don't have time to go back and read right now.

[Robbnva]

Just looking at pk's iso, I don't see anything yet that makes me want to reconsider my read. I don't like this bravado he is putting out in his posts. Sort of feels fake to me

P.edit - lol perfect timing. That's a terrible explanation.

[Robbnva]

Rob can vote me if he has an inkling to man up and do whatever, his nonvote is badvote anyway.

I had only unvoted cause I was going to be v/la but you want to be a dick, bye scum

VOTE: pisskop

[Robbnva]

Just note it took prodding to make you not-useless

like if you were town, you would actually want me to take my time and read up. I will just lynch you and read up day 2 when I don't have an annoying scum trying to push my buttons.

your attempt at the too scummy to be scum routine won't work on me.

[Robbnva]

why is fykus scum? does he make sense as pisskop's partner? cause he's scum so now I need to find his partners

[Robbnva]

Be not-useless and we'll talk.

whine and bitch all you'd like, but you STILL havent caught up despite having the time to post multiple times about how mean I am.

I have nothing more to say to you, and nothing you say interests me anymore.

bye felicia

[Robbnva]

I'm at work, if you want me to vote my best buddy any time soon, you should sell me on it now.
Keep in mind this is day 1, and I'm biased as fuck!

You need to lose that bias cause that's against site rules.

[Robbnva]

You need to lose that bias cause that's against site rules.

Then complain about me.

Done

[Robbnva]

When he flips scum you can be next

[Robbnva]

You could. Wouldn't bother me at all as long as people sheeped my reads.

[Robbnva]

Why do you think bbt is scum?

[Robbnva]

Why do you think bbt is scum?

read

the

game

nao

No need right now. I've caught one scum who's about to be lynched so I can take my time without anyone yelling at me.

[Robbnva]

don't tell me what to do thanks

[Robbnva]

don't tell me what to do thanks

Do better

no u

[Robbnva]

GR, you town reading PK?

he doesn't want to lynch his irl friend

[Robbnva]

can we start over or something.

would you please read and provide content into the machine?
then we could discourse.

ffs. @rob

sorry scum. you had your chance to win friends and influence people. off to the gallows for you

[Robbnva]

Because no one can explain why he's scum

pretty sure people have explained why he is scum. I know I explained why jordan was scum, and I explained why pisskop has supported my read that the slot is scum.

I seriously doubt he got to L-1 without people saying why he is scum. stop lying

[Robbnva]

And I'm not reading through your ISO, if he is scum to you, you can explain in detail why.

and this is why you probably aren't town either. you don't say people aren't explaining it because you refuse to read.

p.edit - I don't enable lazy people. sorry scum #2

[Robbnva]

well this game just got easy. 2 scum caught in 1 day. I'm on fire

[Robbnva]

I don't really have time to iso tchill right now, plus I don't really see the point. I am fairly certain you are scum and unless you are bussing, he is town by default.

[Robbnva]

anyone know who GR's main is?

[Robbnva]

Pisskop, without lying to alter your defence, give me the reasons that you are being voted, to your knowledge.

thats gon hafta wait, im making chicken stew with beef and rice.

ive been mobile all day

lol this made me laugh.

you have time to be here posting but you can't answer his question?

[Robbnva]

I already explained why I scum read the slot. You chose not to go back and find it. I shouldn't have to restate my reasons for lazy people...

[Robbnva]

he is at l-1, so clearly others agree he is scum. I don't have to bend over backwards because his scum buddy doesn't want to bus him

[Robbnva]

Why do you think i said I wanted to wait to read? Why do you think i was able to stay current on posts but not go back and read 200+ posts.

have you tried to read 200 to 300 posts on your phone? it sucks

that didn't stop you from giving me shit for it, and now you want to use that as an excuse for yourself?

gtfoh.

[Robbnva]

I am not playing the victim. i gave a timeframe on when I would read and you should just accept that and move on. if you had an issue with that you could have handled it better instead of being a dick.

[Robbnva]

what makes pk obv town?

[Robbnva]

Preferably in ways that don't involve jord's newbie play.

I saw a man who got shamed out for being new and having awful senses.

Jordan wasn't new though.

sorry, I don't buy the "he is new" defense.

plus pisskop has done nothing to redeem the slot based on just my iso. His fake bravado is fake, and he basically admitted it later. I don't town read people who feel they have to fake things, I definitely don't town read people who feel like they have to intentionally be a dick, and I definitely don't town read people who later decide they want a do over and try to appeal to me after they have already pissed me off.

if you don't want to vote pisskop, that's fine. i am sure we can get somebody else on board eventually

[Robbnva]

Oh wait, the people that whined at me are silent
As a mouse about this.

nope, I said he is scum already but I am not going to derail his buddy's wagon. I'll lynch him tomorrow

[Robbnva]

Nobody claimed to have to fake anything.

that's basically how I interpret this

Im playing this one more aggressively than others. Since I was in a bad slot.


It was important to force people to look at me.

You are intentionally playing more aggressive to force people to look at you. That is playing fake, not natural.

[Robbnva]

Youre also not actually scumreading me for ingame reasons, youre scumreading me for my playstyle. Good job.

you are half correct. I scum read your predecessor for in game reasons and your playstyle hasn't made me want to reconsider my original read.

Replacements need to do some really amazing shit to change my read

have you done anything really amazing yet? I haven't seen anything so far

[Robbnva]

oh yeah, meta defense. that always works...

[Robbnva]

I don't use meta to lynch or defend people. I think meta is garbage and should never be used.

[Robbnva]

oh I forgot we had a conversation about beetlejuice and tchill wasn't actually guilty of it like you claimed he was. That was something game related you did that makes me not think you are town. so there is more than just your bad attitude.

[Robbnva]

I've played mafia for at least 10 years. 200+ games over a span of 7 years on this site alone.

Inexperienced?

[Robbnva]

I don't really have any interest in discussing anything with you. I don't even know what my reads are anymore cause I missed so much and need to reread everything I've missed.

Right now I have you and replacement as scum reads. I don't like black using the newbie excuse for Jordan. We aren't in a newbie game and he's played games before.

i doubt the game is that simple though but until I get more time I'm liking that list.

[Robbnva]

I said I'll read so chill out

[Robbnva]

Except I'm not scum and I literally just talked about them so nice try scum.

[Robbnva]

Hopkirks case on Tchill is strong and the stubborn townies on PK should take a hard look at it.

after we lynch pk, I will look at tchill and this case.

[Robbnva]

Im not being lynched doh

didn't you just fake claim doctor? yeah you are being lynched

[Robbnva]

I am not a doc.

it was explicitly to harass bbt.

[Robbnva]

Rob, youre taking this too far. Its starting to affect your credibility.

My credibility is fine. I dont lie, gambit, fake claim, and I push what I genuinely think is scummy.

People say that makes me a bad player but I don't see how or why that would be the case.

[Robbnva]

You realize you could have outted the real doc, right?

Smart doc wouldn't cc day 1

[Robbnva]

If you are town pk I really don't understand what you are doing.

[Robbnva]

I have flashbacks from all these games where I mislynch people and everyone telling me "why would he do that if he were scum?"

But then I think of boonskiies, RC, and others who do those things as scum.

Let me do my reread before I vote seriously

UNVOTE:

[Robbnva]

How were you not voting 'seriously'.

There was definitely a lot of grudge behind my vote. I still scum read his predecessor but I've basically let my current push be blinded by personal hatred. I don't want a repeat performance of a game I just finished

[Robbnva]

I have flashbacks from all these games where I mislynch people and everyone telling me "why would he do that if he were scum?"

But then I think of boonskiies, RC, and others who do those things as scum.

Let me do my reread before I vote seriously

UNVOTE:

Wait wait wait, you were willing to have him lynched, but you weren't serious about it?

Read the post right above yours.

[Robbnva]

Okay, but why did it take you til now to unvote if that's how you feel? IF that is how you feel, because your previous actions could have fooled me.

Cause there is so much shit going on it's probably a good time to take a step back and let everything calm down.

[Robbnva]

Nobody named tb in this game.

[Robbnva]

Nobody named tb in this game.

Read my sig lol.

Lol. I have them disabled

[Robbnva]

396by necro was a good post, which is surprising considering that is rb
400 is weird...
don't really like tchill's post on page 17. pops in to cast a little shade and does nothing else
431 by bbt is a good post imo. having seen scum self vote in rvs many times, jord definitely needs some rope
intro pisskop. I think I need to just ignore his posts because I hate cocky attitudes and he comes in with one. If I ignore his posts all together would the game make more sense? idk

so pisskop self hammered as town doctor. Even if I am wrong about him being scum, pk should probably be lynched just for that. Can't tolerate people who do stuff like that

ugh don't like havo's post 481. Not a fan of people telling others to investigate them which is sort of what he did.

I don’t like this wagon because the formation is really off. Tchill is still my top mafia read.

hopefully you explain this later. If not, please do so cause I don't see anything wrong with how it formed.

I don't like how in post 498 virtuoso just accepts PK's AtE and town reads him. I feel like he should know better. personally I think pk should know better than to use Ate but if he is scum that would make sense.


I am stopping at page 21 and heading to bed. I tried to make it longer but the back and forth between cloud and love was putting me to sleep so need to read it again when I am refreshed.

Still like pk for scum
I can see why some people don't like tchill

[Robbnva]

Welcome to mafiascum

[Robbnva]

v/la for about 10 days.should be able to check in daily though, just won't be hyper active

[Robbnva]

I really wasn't expecting pisskop to flip town there. After that hammer I was originally thinking game replacement was scum but would he be the kind of player who would hammer like that as scum? Idk.

What's the reasons for bbt? I sort of skimmed these last few pages and want to look at those last couple of votes on fykus. I agree with others that wagon happened too quickly. I'll ISO those people tonight.

[Robbnva]

@havo. Do you still suspect fykus or did bbt's vote change your reads?

[Robbnva]

I don't see the value of a vig claim.

The BBT wagon right now consists of (only) the four people I find most scummy. I do not like this wagon.

Haven't isod people yet but I kind of agree with you here.

[Robbnva]

Stop talking about the vig.

Vig should have killed you.
Shit vig.

Should have shot you for your shit hammer. Stupid vig

[Robbnva]

VOTE: cloud
i don't think outing the vig is smart

[Robbnva]

I wanna lynch Ignition or GR.

I could go for gr.

[Robbnva]

Though 1195 reads very manipulative to me. Something I'd expect more from scum. The whole putting fykus to l-1 without explanation is something I don't really expect scum to do. They don't have the game won yet so I don't think he as scum would do something so bold.

[Robbnva]

Rob, help me lynch Ignition please.

Ok

VOTE: ignition

He just looks like scum trying to discredit you. I feel if he were town he'd have more substance

[Robbnva]

Creature/ignition/game possible scum team? Does that work?

[Robbnva]

Only 2 scum?

Cretuare trying to out the vig is weird. Though havo getting mad but not pushing it more is also weird. I need to re-read these past few pages when I get more time.

[Robbnva]

On a personal level I'm on vacation in the path to see totality tomorrow so I'm excited

[Robbnva]

lol cloud/creature same difference right?

[Robbnva]

Let me read up and see what you had to say. That one post I mentioned earlier was kind of weak

[Robbnva]

This isn't epic mafia...

[Robbnva]

Btw on mafiascum vig doesn't counter by posting it. They counter by shooting you

[Robbnva]

If there's a mason group I'd be suprised.

[Robbnva]

Game replacement is most likely scum. Other than that I'm not sure who else.

[Robbnva]

Nah I'm not scum. I should most likely be confirmed town today anyway.

[Robbnva]

Well I'm not scum so you aren't right on that regards.

[Robbnva]

so who is the scum in your place?

We'll if cloud doesn't confirm me it's him. The last one idk

[Robbnva]

Why would Cloud confirm you?

If he's town he'll confirm I used my action on him.

[Robbnva]

Lol.

1-Shot BP could easily be a scum fake claim

Fuck.

My thoughts also. But so could joat

[Robbnva]

I mean gunsmith. Don't mafia while running lol

[Robbnva]

Scum most likely have a rb

[Robbnva]

It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

[Robbnva]

It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

Well, it wasn't. But even So, that's not an AI role.

At least twice this game I said we probably didn't have masons.

[Robbnva]

Rob, why did you neighbourize Cloud? And how many shots do you have?

Cause I wanted to try and sort him in a low pressure environment

[Robbnva]

It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

Well, it wasn't. But even So, that's not an AI role.

At least twice this game I said we probably didn't have masons.

I could have said that. Just from how bad town have done.
But again, even so... It's NAI

It is to me. Scum neighborizer are not common and good reviewers wouldn't give scum a stupid role like that.

[Robbnva]

You chose to neighbourize someone you thought was scum so you could sort them?

yes

N1 I tried to neighbor game but I'm assuming I was blocked or he was jail kept.

N2 I went with cloud.

[Robbnva]

Rob, why did you neighbourize Cloud? And how many shots do you have?

Cause I wanted to try and sort him in a low pressure environment

Why Cloud in particular?

Idk. Probably cause he aggravated me so I wanted to see if he was scum or annoying town.

[Robbnva]

Granted it's been a while since I've played on site so things could have changed.

[Robbnva]

That hammer was shit.

[Robbnva]

Stop talking about the vig.

Vig should have killed you.
Shit vig.

Should have shot you for your shit hammer. Stupid vig

Why would you visit me and say This?

I didn't know this game had a vig

[Robbnva]

GR is making a lot of sense.

Surely you neighbourize people who you think are town so you csn effectively form a Masonry?

That's not how I chose to use my role. I have trouble town reading people anyway so I decided to use it to sort people.

[Robbnva]

But you sit thought that I should have died and thought that I should have been lynched day 2?

Yes. I wasn't able to sort you so I stuck with my scum read.

[Robbnva]

^ this is correct. That's why I said his claim could be fake.

@fykus did you get no gun or no result?

[Robbnva]

I'll be back tonight. Wifi at our hotel sucks and kids used all our data

[Robbnva]

Rob, why did you neighbourize Cloud? And how many shots do you have?

Cause I wanted to try and sort him in a low pressure environment

thats complete bullshit considering that your neihborhood only work at night

I was suprised that it was locked during the day. My role pm doesn't say anything about not being able to talk at day.

[Robbnva]

Well whoever the game reviewers are suck. It's stupid to neighbor somebody if you have to wait for the following night to Discuss with them. You only get night phase which isn't enough time

[Robbnva]

So we can rule out ascetic.

Not sure how I'm full of shit. I've spoken nothing but the truth.i don't lie.

[Robbnva]

I really cant see love as scum though unless hes a very good actor. Rob should know if theres day talk or not since he can fuckin neighborise people. And the part where hes like "if cloud is town he'll confirm my role".

Id bet that there is a mafia encryptor on the scum team and that its rob.

My role pm doesn't say anything about day talk or not. So how exactly am supposed to know if I had it or not until I actually neighbor somebody?

And what's wrong with me saying cloud can confirm my role when he is the only one who could?

Your argument here is weak.

[Robbnva]

This is based on the assumption that every game has an investigative role, which is false.

True but it's rare

[Robbnva]

It's even amount as Scum town.

FYI this is a false statement. I just checked and 5 scum neighborizer roles to 20 town. That's 20%. Nowhere close to half.

[Robbnva]

Also I think Rob is most likely town here.

Which means the Scum team should be Hopkirk Cloud and Love.

Why the 180 on me? You seemed like you were scum reading me yesterday (irl not game day) and now you don't.

[Robbnva]

Why couldn't scum have a BP and Doc?

They could but seems very unlikely

[Robbnva]

But scum have a rb so those 3 don't seem to fit.

[Robbnva]

Unless instead of doctor it's a jk

[Robbnva]

I believe I was blocked or Jk'd night 1

[Robbnva]

sup

had a long day and just got home to read something very disturbing so I don't have time to deal with mafia right now.

I will be v/la for the weekend

cause i need a complete break from this site right now. There is a chance i may replace out but hopefully I won't have to.

vote isn't changing though.

[Robbnva]

I am not voting anyone until I read and I urge nobody else vote until I can catch up. sorry guys

[Robbnva]

I see y'all didn't listen to what i had asked and you ended the day while I was on v/la. At least we got scum but I wasn't able to interact with cloud at all.

I'll catch-up on this game tonight or tomorrow.

[Robbnva]

I will be v/la for the weekend cause i need a complete break from this site right now.

I wasn't playing mafia at all the entire weekend. No posts on site anywhere since around the time I declared until about 20 minutes ago.

I only logged on to check and respond to PMs.

I couldn't neighborize anyone else. I was only 2 shot

[Robbnva]

Yo BBT is litterraly confirmed SK for the record because of the cop mafia flip, its even more obvious considering the no flip, i asked the mod if there can be self-aligned people and he said yes, proof

@MOD : Even tho you said theres only 2 alignement, does it mean that in this game this is correct to assume there isnt any self-aligned roles?

ALSO, even tho i tried very very hard to communicate with rob in the niehbors, he said NOTHING and no one has been added, Rob is confirmed mafia

Pretty sure I'm a normal game sk counts as scum and has to be advertised as such. If SK was in the setup it would be 9:3:1 or 10:2:1.

[Robbnva]

Shooting the gunsmith who was outing scum (Hopkirk) was their only possible play.

Stop pretending like you don't understand this.

there is another explanation but seems less likely.

[Robbnva]

Therefore GR should be cleared in all intent and purposes, and if hes mafia doctor with a 1-shot BP scum then honestly ill just admit that i dont understand the balance meta.

BBT-> SK

ROB -> mefia neihborizer
HOP -> mefia 1xbp

GR -> VT
CK -> VT

peace out

But what about the rb or jk? I was prevented from neighboring night 1.

[Robbnva]

Rob is only town if

1. he didnt try to contact his neihbors at all even tho he was whining about it all game that 2 days isnt enough
2. GR is mafia doctor

I didn't try to contact my neighbors at all since I wasn't playing mafia all weekend.
2. Can't this still be a possibility? Are there other possibilities where gunsmith doesn't get a result?

I'm not scum

[Robbnva]

I don't understand - how can there be a SK in this game with no extra kills?

And if there is no SK, why the hell was love a cop? I'm completely baffled here. If there is a SK, it has to be Rob. 1-shot SK neighbourizer, I guess it's possible. But why no kills?

He thinks you are the SK

I'm assuming there's 1 scum and 1 traitor?

Wait. Where did traitor come from? What makes you think that?

[Robbnva]

yeah this sk talk stuff is hinky.

cloud is scum

VOTE: cloud

[Robbnva]

that's l-1 btw

[Robbnva]

it was? cloud and bbt unvoted each other right?

[Robbnva]

shit, bbt didn't unvote. well cloud is probably scum so that's ok

[Robbnva]

oh jesus christ man, that was scary

GG everyone

[Robbnva]

That was going well until we almost got POE'd to death.
If Robb had gone offline (which I can't see) rather than just away we probably would have lost.

yeah I was getting worried. though I thought for sure PK was traitor, then I thought it was cloud. I never thought it was you. you were one we thought about NK'ing

[Robbnva]

Your 2 shot vig claim was pretty crappy, you never unvoted and so you deserve the loss, my thought process was 100% genuine

nah cause SK shows as scum

[Robbnva]

nobody questioned Hopkirk's claim, everyone believed he was BP.

I thought he was town BP lol

[Robbnva]

nobody questioned Hopkirk's claim, everyone believed he was BP.

I thought he was town BP lol

Who did you think was traitor, GR?

first I thought it was PK which is why I backed off his lynch
then I though cloud which is why I neighborized him
then I thought it was GR

[Robbnva]

scum neighbor/neighborizers continue to crush it I see

They aren't that common still. 25% in all completed mini normal games.

[Robbnva]

I like how Robb never posted in his neighbourhood.

I wasn't online to post in it lol

[Robbnva]

from slightly out of date spreadsheet:

scum neighbor/neighborizer wins in

1460
1462
1463
1666
1685
1733
1897
and now 1938

might be missing somethign somewhere tho, my sheet is admittedly a bit out of date.

Those all mini normal? Cause I didn't see that many.

[Robbnva]

It's funny because I usually see neighbourizer as more likely to be scum than town but everyone says it is the other way around.

Cause it is usually more likely to be town based on my search.

[Robbnva]

from slightly out of date spreadsheet:

scum neighbor/neighborizer wins in

1460
1462
1463
1666
1685
1733
1897
and now 1938

might be missing somethign somewhere tho, my sheet is admittedly a bit out of date.

Those all mini normal? Cause I didn't see that many.

Yes, all mini normal, see
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

(I'm sure it excludes some stuff, most notably mini normals that aren't 10/3 since I exclude those from my calcs, but yeah those all look like 10/3 games with scum neighbors or neighborizers)

Weird on my phone I dont see that many games with neighborizer. Only found 5

[Robbnva]

Oh I was just looking neighborizer

[Robbnva]

GG mafia guys.

Maybe we can play a game and both be town.

gg