Well, if you say so. VOTE: JordarrianIn post 42, Jordarrian wrote:Hey guys. If you happen to know me, congrats. I have some experience with mafia but I'm still pretty shit at it
VOTE: Jord
This is obviously the play here
What do you think he was hoping to accomplish, jordarrian?In post 63, Jordarrian wrote:1. I just said I posted that at night
2. It's possible to make introductory posts before you read the thread
3. I'm going off and on irl so I'm not gonna be able to read until later
Those were just introductory posts, and the way you reacted to harmless posts like that does not sit well with me.
BadvoteIn post 98, Havo wrote:VOTE: lovelifeIn post 62, lovelife wrote:Because you're choosing to ignore the ongoing conversations. Why?
Too early for the Bull in the China shop.
I figured that would/will draw a response and I'd decide whether to try and start a wagon from there.
Never too early! Its possible, but Dany hasn't modded any other games I could find so it might just be his preferred standard operating procedure.Fykus wrote:Also not to get into setup spec too early or anything but do you think the lack of mafia daychat indicates a mafia encryptor is around?
This is fair.In post 121, Havo wrote:No.In post 115, lovelife wrote:What would you prefer I do, sit around twiddling my thumbs? Also, that still isn't a very concise argument.
U do u boo.
You scum hunt your way and I will scum hunt my way.
I just pointed out that I thought it was early for someone to be getting bothered by you receiving a single vote.
A SINGLE vote.
Maybe we'reHavo wrote:In post 114, CloudKicker wrote:Maybe theyre mason
Lol. Maybe.
If so they should probably be a bit more subtle.
Don't ya think?
Havo wrote: awful early to be throwing shade.
OK, I'm no longer worried about this being scum attempting to shut down discussion. I do think you should take a step back and examine your thought processes before you keep calling people out for saying stuff though.Havo wrote: My ideal Day 1 is scum says something shady and I call them out
What are you thinking about robb right now, havo? I just played a game with him, and this feels a little less natural to me.In post 172, Havo wrote:
Just for the record - It was not an insult. Rob and I go way back. He has his own style of playing and he can be wicked good at times. If he's town he's definitely an asset. So i never rush to lynch him. But when he is scum he needs to die like every other scum.
Eh, 3 in 13 or so, I don't see much there.In post 199, Tchill13 wrote:In post 194, Robbnva wrote:I was hoping one would have formed on Jordan. He was scummy enough but it stalled for some reason. He also seemed to come out agreessive early and but has stalled since. I feel like possible scum trying to lay low now.In post 191, Tchill13 wrote:Tchill is here. This day 1 seems a little strange. There's not a stupid wagon on someone by page 5.In post 139, Fykus wrote:Speaking of tchill, where is he?In post 195, CloudKicker wrote:Is anyone goong to ask me to justify my naked votes or i can just keep doin it
So what are the odds cloudkicker is scum based on the fact these 2 posts came back to back?
Oh no, that's not true at all. Scum are significantly less likely to be aggressive, daychat or no.In post 218, IgnitionUSMC wrote:God, this a much faster past/post count than I'm used too... Granted I've been super busy at work.
To the game; w/o day chat, mafia.is more inclined to push a wagon then they would when they can coordinate? So who's been the most aggressive?
Your jord case is alright, but I'm too suspicious of robb/havo to want to jump on their scumreads.In post 239, lovelife wrote:I haven't read all of your post yet, but I wanted to go ahead and respond to this real quick. I wanted to express my opinions about Jord, but I didn't have time to make a case against him last night, so I just went ahead and wrote down how I felt. I've now made my case against him though.In post 235, Sofiel wrote: Lovelife - null leaning scum.That whole push on people for not liking RVS was iffy to me, but I'm reading it as town hunting for reactions. Plus he never responded to my question about comfort lmao. But #183 and #184 seem scummy to me. Just the language he's using - "the only thing that stopped me from changing my vote to him" and "it didn't really help to lower my suspicions" look like scum separating themselves from a partner who's had a bit of focus recently - "I didn't vote for him because of *reason* but I'm still suspicious!"
oh, and before I forget again
VOTE: Jord
Elaborate? I kind of agree actually but I want to see if your reasons are mine.In post 255, Havo wrote:This is the worst attempt that I've seen at trying to look like town work that I can remember.In post 227, CloudKicker wrote:town leans -------
Backhand
lovelife
necro
Robbnva
Fykus
BlueBloodedToffee
mefia leans ------
Sofiel
This is my overall my impression of the game rn
That's totally fair, which is why I'm not saying "robb is scum," just filing it away.In post 259, Robbnva wrote:this is why meta is bad. you have 1 game against me and I had a very provable role that game that I was itching to use. I have since dialed down my play since that game, but unfortunately they are all ongoing.In post 254, Backhand wrote:It still bothers me that you twice tried to shut down discussion with "too early" comments, and yeah, I don't think robbisbeing robb, he's pretty muted by his standards. He has also said he's just trying to keep his cool this game so maybe that's all it is, but it pings me that you were so quick to defend him. Enough to not wagon with you at least, I'm happy with my vote on BBT.
I notice that his top four townreads are people that someone else had already townread. I'm a believer in building a townblock as early as possible, but that seems like trying to get into the club.Havo wrote:
I don't like half of his town leans. There's better suspects and I don't like his scum lean.
But mainly it just looks like he's trying to look busy. Like he's doing something townish.
Just a wild coincidence?
CloudKicker wrote:Im already annoyed by this table
That's not what I implied.In post 271, CloudKicker wrote:Its annoying that some random player implies that im a weak ass player who needs others to get his reads
As you say, I'm just some random player, how would I know? What is your scumplay?In post 274, CloudKicker wrote:copying others isnt my scumplay either
In post 283, Havo wrote:Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.In post 265, CloudKicker wrote: Lol then vote me pussy
DAYKILL CLOUD
If I ever mod a game I might make faking dayvig a modkillable offense.In post 294, Robbnva wrote:I hope this is legit cause I hate stupid gambits
Yes, but uncommon--its a cute trend to pretend to do it for "reactions"--the game I mentioned with robb, a townie very successfully outed a doctor.
I mean, that would just make that hypothetical role better.In post 338, Havo wrote:Except that paranoid cop always gets a guilty. No?In post 333, Robbnva wrote:That would be an awesome role.In post 331, CloudKicker wrote:I am paranoid cop and can only check people who voted me the day before
I mean, yes, but that can be a dangerous attitude because you also have to build trust. Doesn't matter how good your reads are if you're shouting them into the wilderness.In post 349, Tchill13 wrote:The only people that care about being seen as town are scum lovelife. Town should only have one priority and that is lynching scum. Not looking town.
I've said this in every game I've played this year: Site meta lets people get away with anti-town shit that shouldn't be tolerated and we'd all be better off with some more policy lynches, or at least the serious possibility of them.In post 374, Havo wrote:At first I thought Cloud just wanted to rack up votes so he could claim a PR and tell everyone to back off him.
(Well actually at first I thought he was drunk)
Then I thought maybe he is a fool or a Jester. Or a bomb and just wants out.
So I un voted and thought I'd give it some time.
But how is his actions good for or helping town?
Why would you draw that kind of attention to your self?
I'm unaware its an unpopular opinion but everyone likes to pretend towns are better at getting mafia day 1 than they really are (plus sometimes the policy lynchees are actually scum)--also, don't worry! Things have been moving quickly in terms of posts, but deadline is still 11 days away. We don't need to feel at all rushed.In post 394, IgnitionUSMC wrote:Im pulling my vote back off because at this point we need to either just wagon someone. I've also been extremely busy at work and Im just not used to this fast of a game pace from where I came from.
If you want me to list my scum reads... honestly im not sure at this point. But i agree with Tchill on id rather save my lynch for lynching mafia, then policy lynches followed by a night kill by mafia. At least give town a chance to lynch mafia
You think that's actually indicative?In post 404, Havo wrote:And I do find the "Well Done" comment interesting.In post 289, CloudKicker wrote:well doneIn post 283, Havo wrote:Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.In post 265, CloudKicker wrote: Lol then vote me pussy
DAYKILL CLOUD
good luck partners
I think you are overanalyzing--reads as a sarcastic response to a silly gambit to me.In post 406, Havo wrote: I could over analyze for sure.
Why "partners"? Why not Good luck town or townies.
Or why wouldn't it be, "way to go dumbarse"?
Why would there be a "well done" at all?
I think he's still just screwing with you, but OK.In post 413, Havo wrote:Apparently Not.........In post 407, Backhand wrote:
I think you are overanalyzing--reads as a sarcastic response to a silly gambit to me.
No I think my intuition was correct about that statement.
But now we know, or at least he claims, that he WANTED us to believe him to be scum.
Thumbs-up to this.In post 416, necro wrote:Alright this seems like a productive day1 so far. I feel good about Backhand and Sof, and Backhand feels good about Sof also. Lovelife has seemed okay to me for day1, I need to see more but it seems to be shaping up to having a few people that can work together so far.
My motivation was that I thought the reads on jord were pretty weak to begin with (why I ditched that wagon like 15 pages earlier) and piss did nothing to earn the shit he immediately got. But I only had time to read quickly and wanted to read again before calling people out.In post 608, Tchill13 wrote:Why was the pisskop wagon nasty? He replaced into a scum read slot. I'm not sure what backhands motivation is with that statement. What in particular are you wanting to lynch backhand?
Care to make that shade anything like specific? What do you think I'm doing?In post 613, Havo wrote: He hasn't. In fact his play the way he has come in has led me to vote him.
Backhand calling his wagon gross also makes me think Backhand is pushing an agenda.
I'd already mostly pushed jord into the lynchbait category, and the increased wagon on you made no sense when you came into the game. Also from a scum perspective I don't think you have much reason to go after me, I was being mostly townread and wasn't leading any kind of serious push that you would need to discredit. What do you have to gain by not just going with the flow? So for now you're in my townpile, and if you think bbt is town that's good enough for day 1 when I could easily see lynching half the game.In post 633, pisskop wrote:ummmm hi I dont know youIn post 631, Backhand wrote:semi-trust piss on BBT.
and this sounds crazy
but here's my number
Tell me why you trust me.
That this wagon still exists.In post 832, Robbnva wrote:what makes pk obv town?
BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The fact PK's wagon is dragging on for so long despite being put to L-1 twice really does point to the fact that PK is scum.
If you put those two arguments together you end up with a whole bunch of nothing. If scum don't want to be on the same wagon Day 1 then it would follow that if scum were already on pk's wagon they would not want to hammer so as to avoid ending up on the same wagon.In post 873, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, all 3 scum are barely ever on the same wagon, especially on D1.
Fair--vedith, that daykill was dumb.In post 837, Havo wrote:OMG!!!!!!!!In post 792, Game Replacement wrote:Oh trust me, that's not why I'm probably not scum, you have a fun road ahead of you yet!In post 790, Robbnva wrote:and this is why you probably aren't town either. you don't say people aren't explaining it because you refuse to read.
p.edit - I don't enable lazy people. sorry scum #2
Not that you will be here for the rest of the game.
Daykill Rob
Thanks. \o/
VOTE: BBT
Be ready for Mass confusion and Hysteria!!
Oh wait, the people that whined at me are silent
As a mouse about this.
Why is bbt now a nullread?In post 931, pisskop wrote:Thing is, this wagon being a stagnant swamp is hurting the game.
Ive done my part, and my death is fine.
Virtuouso has done nothing with the slot I otherwise townread, so its getting stale.
bbt is a nullread, pending the flips of others.
game replacement is a tentative townread
Havo is a mild townread, but if Im wrong about any townread Id want it to be here.
Cloudkick is a relative townread, after comparing their actions after I replaced with before. Nothing concrete though
loverman is a townread
rob is a relative townread, but stubborn and perhaps a little rusty on the game theory side of life.
Ah, missed it, my mistake.In post 935, pisskop wrote:In post 658, pisskop wrote:I really dislike how passive aggressive you're being about this.In post 757, pisskop wrote:i retract my townread of bbt based upon his passive aggressiveness, ftr.In post 751, Robbnva wrote:Why do you think bbt is scum?
Ignition, unvote or don't, but can you respond to this please and thanks?In post 876, Backhand wrote: Ignition, you don't want to use the newbie excuse (I get it)--so explain very clearly what caused you to hop off and hop on the pisskop wagon? Do some quoting and stuff.
At the time, I liked the way he engaged with robb and havo about cloudkicker.In post 1021, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Talk about how you are town reading TChill at this point of the game please?
BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can you also quote the posts you're talking about please.
I felt good about this post at the time. I was mixing up my moments in the game though on my last post, he wasn't talking to robb and havo directly.In post 199, Tchill13 wrote:
So what are the odds cloudkicker is scum based on the fact these 2 posts came back to back?
It is all the explanation I have, it was a page 8 mild townread. Scumread me over it if you will.
I'm refusing to give a different answer than the true one you're not happy with--I read the post, it felt town. Until you brought it up, I'd forgotten I even included him on my initial list.BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Are you refusing to answer my question about 199?In post 1041, Backhand wrote: I said what I have to say--you going to reach a conclusion here?
You already know the conclusion I have reached. Dodging questions doesn't help you either.
It was extremely flimsy! At the time I was voting for you for equally weak reasons, you gotta start somewhere. As for the "false" reason, when I looked back to check and saw him quoting robb and talking about cloudkicker I thought he had agreed with me on them, but that happened later.In post 1048, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't realise your 'gut-feel' was reasoning for both your town read and that post. I guess you could roll them into one.
Although, that seems an awfully flimsy reason to give to throw out a town read on page 8. Especially when you gave a false reason for justifying it first time around.
Care to give a level of certainty in this read? I'd love to be able to refer to this later as an example of Day 1 overconfidence.In post 1052, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I wish I had two votes.
I think two reasons--he was scumreading Fykus, who was also the only real counterwagon Day 1, and B:In post 1064, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, so both leading wagons were on town.
That means scum are either a) manipulating the town very well or b) sitting back quietly.
I'm gonna go with b. I need to look over things from yesterday but Virtuoso being killed is a strange one for me. PK not so much.
Also, I take it back, there was less people on both wagons then I thought, I remembered voting Jord later than I actually had. Oh well.In post 962, Virtuoso wrote:You realize you could have outted the real doc, right?
Ignition hopping on makes me feel a little worse about the theory.In post 1082, Hopkirk wrote:This is what I was considering.In post 1078, Backhand wrote:Onward and upward!
Feeling fykus/ignition/???????? (Game Replacement maybe) right now.
Seriously?In post 1109, Havo wrote:You're terrible at this.In post 1101, CloudKicker wrote:hop backhand and rob seems town, im unsure on everyone else. Ignition outed some towny lines the same way fykus did somewhere d2, the only ones i really dont like or see as town is havo
Why the hell did you even sign up?
