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[CloudKicker]

Why you?

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neihbor's target being rbd also keep the action from happening? i didnt know lel

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im pretty sure roleblocker blocks the action from performing and rolestopper blocks any actions from being performed on someone

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Yeah true but i doubt jk exist with full-vig and joat

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ohhhhh

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then theres most likely not a jk or rb in game outside that joat

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im waiting for bbt's but yea gucci

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Busy with life and this game fell through the cracks. I don't have work or school today, but I have a lot of homework and chores to do so I probably won't post again until this evening. Maybe I'll squeeze in some activity before then though.

I'm VT, sorry that doesn't help anything.

My scum team read is GR, Rob, and Fykus. I had Havo instead of Fykus on that list pre-flip, but now post-flip this is the only team that makes sense to me. I felt very strongly that Fykus and Havo were scum and PR, I just had them mixed up I guess.

I will say I stand by my Ignition vote. I wasn't 100% sure he was scum (although I was fairly convinced he was), but his play was bad regardless and I am not sad to see him gone.

So scum NK'd Virtuoso and Backhand. Virtuoso is an interesting one for me since I scumread him, but maybe that wasn't a popular opinion? Has anyone tried analyzing why scum killed who they did?

VOTE: GameReplacement

I'm a little depressed because I had a good case laid out against GR in my head, but I forgot what exactly it was, and now I need to do more work to jog my memory with re-reading and stuff. Basically, Sof was carefully staying on the fence and not committing to a read on anyone and GR has also played similarly. It wasn't until Day 3 that I really saw him starting to take a stand and pressure anyone. I actually do remember one specific example of something I found scummy though. 794 This post doesn't and shouldn't be coming from someone who was playing like he has. "I have the game solved", meanwhile is half-assing their participation in the game. Also, for someone who was attacking Robb for his lack of reasoning in voting for pisskop (which, btw, seemed like a disingenuous way to try and distance himself from Robb), GR is sorely lacking any real reason for scumreading BBT, other than that everyone else thought BBT was scum. I'd bet money GR can't come up with a good reason for scumreading BBT that someone else hasn't already pointed out before him.

for the record voting outside a cross is close to a scumclaim

[CloudKicker]

Town don't come in late and drop a vote on someone with a gunsmith result on them. They vote the gun smith if they think it's a lie.
You made it too easy.

I actually skimmed past Fykus' gunsmith claim, but it doesn't really change anything for me. You're both scum so of course he's going to have your back. Also, why exactly does voting make me scum? Plenty of others have voted today.

Maybe leaving my vote up is a mistake though, you might be right about that actually. I'll leave it up for now though as I'm still going to be on my computer for a while.

its lylo, you cant vote outside the crosses cause if just gives more opportunity for mafia to eventually blitz town, if you fos fykus you should vote them not gr

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Okay, then its lylo, anyone voting anyone is literraly makiing a "virtual cross".

If town is voting scum, thats good! but then town not voting with the other town means that mafia will never be able to be lynched.

If scum if voting scum, then theyre moronic and shouldnt bus in lylo for no good reason

If town is voting town, then its literraly game over since mafia cannot be lynched in any way and the game is just waiting for mafia to coordinate their votes to win

Fykus voted me, i am town but he might be mafia. If hes town, its already lost because i can be blitzed from any moment on and thats considering theres no day chat. The only way town is still winning is that:
1. fykus is scum
and/or
2. mafia wont/dont coordinate their votes for some reasons.

Voting outside me or fykus is like saying that you think that we are both mafia and you are voting the the 3rd mafia, because theres isnt another scenario where voting outside the cross gives you a better chance at lynching scum, because if we are both town we lose the game -> therefore the only good scenario to assume is that one of us is mafia and that you need to vote in the cross, not outside. Or at least try to convince fykus to unvote and vote with you

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So i urge you to either unvote, vote fykus, try to convince fykus or all tree. Even voting for me would show a better town mindset than voting outside myself/fykus at this point

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Why the unvote on me?

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So what, why not me over him regardless?

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Or bbt shoot you in the face

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but im actually town so thats a loss, well done

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My alignement isnt mutually exclusive with me knowing whos the last mefia

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VOTE: lovelife

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My alignement isnt mutually exclusive with me knowing whos the last mefia

Yeah it is. Theres only a couple of candidates on who it could be so i want you to convince me on who it is

nope its not

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UNVOTE: just a sec

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I was thinking about the best course of action for tomorow

either you shoot outside, wich gives us a 4 way 1 mefia if you hit correctly, if you dont we lose. Considering that hop is probably a real bp but mafia.

1. you shoot another mafia, probably the only mafia outside hop because i think hes scum, thats probably the hardest hammer in the game, if you want to decide alone its your choice. If it succeed, we have to coordinate the gs's checks so that either they kill him off in the 4 way or they let them find the last mafia for a 1vs1 gs mafia 3 way

2.You test the bp's claim, probably real but probably mafia. We still have lylo tomorow. If Hop fake claimed he dies but hes very most likely real bp. So do this if ure unsure?

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@Fykus do you agree to check me, please tonight?

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Okay then, i just wanted to get more info in case he would gs guilty me, im okay with hop.

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VOTE: lovelife gunsmithing someone else than hopkirk will result in a scumclaim and my lock vote @fykus

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@bbt you better not lost this with a 3rd consecutive town hit, just hit hopkirk if ure unsure

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Its literraly L-1 and we are voting with conf clear, if this is town its game over by a fucking mile

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Love is conf scum atm since both GR and rob posted

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I am not voting anyone until I read and I urge nobody else vote until I can catch up. sorry guys

this is bs bro, just vote hes conf scum

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This is my L1 post meaning I can only be Scum with Love.
Tonight I suggest that BBT doesn't shoot. If he shoots wrong he puts it to 2 Scum 2 town.
Cloud and Hopkirk are the other 2 remaining Scum for me but we can work on that tomorrow.

you said you were all gucci voting lovelife, wheres the vote

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Hopkirk is BP and getting checked.

I don't know who I'm shooting yet.

another reason why its suboptimal for checking hop is because hop is mafia and we dont get any information, fykus could gambit his win by either bussing or clearing his buddy, both are viable strat. Fykus fake guiltying town would make a 1vs1 and fykus innoing town would force him to vote mefias

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Yo BBT is litterraly confirmed SK for the record because of the cop mafia flip, its even more obvious considering the no flip, i asked the mod if there can be self-aligned people and he said yes, proof

@MOD : Even tho you said theres only 2 alignement, does it mean that in this game this is correct to assume there isnt any self-aligned roles?

ALSO, even tho i tried very very hard to communicate with rob in the niehbors, he said NOTHING and no one has been added, Rob is confirmed mafia

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1. GR Should be town clear or mefia doc, HE ISNT BEING VOTED TODAY THO BY ANYONE
2. BBT WHO THE FUCK THIS U SHOOT, WHY NOT CLAIM IT

When you add someone to the neihbors, the mod will actualy say something like

--> This player X is being added to the PT" PARAPHRASED

But no one joined the niehbors before the mod locked the PT, when i did join the mod said so before locking the PT for the day, he didnt do that today so either rob hasnt logged since the end of d3 or he lied and didnt invite anyone

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There are only two alignments in this game.

I find it super strange that love was a cop though. That makes 0 sense.

shut up let the mod speak, i asked them in pt and the way he answered me was almost with relief before is being super stupid atm since no one asked yet

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@MOD : Even tho you said theres only 2 alignement, does it mean that in this game this is correct to assume there isnt any self-aligned roles?

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There are only two alignments in this game.

I find it super strange that love was a cop though. That makes 0 sense.

Who did you shoot? and why

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BBT shot PK because he genuinely thought he was mafia as sk

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I obviously didn't shoot anyone. I suspect scum thought I would shoot Rob and so chose Fykus over myself.

Don't be so disrespectful you little piece of shit

Why "obviously" didnt shoot anyone? you first, never said you would shoot no-one. Second of all, you should be dead, a player like you might want to make a final call considering youd expect to die. Third, theres a fucking bp claim, why wouldnt i assume that you shot the bp, why obviously no-shot. Why didnt you say a word about me saying that Rob has done nothing in the pt nor did he try to add anyone, we both know that you are sk

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BBt cannot be voted by town because this is a town loss the moment that double mafia vote with him, regardless of that, even if BBT is town vig (this is not the case) then we lose since lylo.

The plan is that GR is gunsmith cleared -> meaning that theres at the very least 1 scum in hop and rob and more than likely 2

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BBT didnt want to "shoot" today because if he shot mafia, hed be in the prisoner dilemna where theres 1 sk 1 mafia 2 town and then everyone is fucked, so he 'didnt shoot' and hes going for the bp mafia, or he even shot the bp mafia once so he can kill him in the event we go after mafia outside BP mafia aka rob

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Now theres only GR who has to open his eyes and not fuck this up

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In the even that BBT is sk (confirmed) you also have to think about the fact that a GS would give a no-gun check on a "claimed vig" and thus theres other balancing issues. I dont personally think that the game would be

GS
TOWN protect JOAT (jk/doc/bg)
VTx100
----
SK
----
Neihborizer 1xshot or full
Mafia JOAT cop/role cop
1-shot bp

vs

TOWN vig full
GS
TOWN protect JOAT (jk/doc/bg)
Neihborizer 1xshot or full
VTx100
----
mafia doctor?
Mafia JOAT cop/role cop
1-shot bp

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Because if I shot someone, they would be dead. I wasn't shooting Hopkirk because Fykus was investigating him, so that seemed pointless, no?

Why should I be dead? There was a 50/50 shot at it being myself or Fykus - maybe 70/30 to Fykus if scum thought I would be dumb enough to actually shoot.

There's also the fact that I'm a 2-shot vig - scum could already know that though with love flipping cop/rolecop this making Fykus the easy choice. I left the two shot unannounced to give Fykus a chance of living and getting another result.

I don't care about what Rob did - he is town. You are not.

No, they had to shoot you and play for the 3 way lylo even if it confirms hopkirk, they made an error because theres always the prison thingy tomorow, mafia knew since d1 that you are sk

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Like shooting the gunsmith who wanted to vote all the freaking town all game vs the "confirmed town vig" close to lylo is an absurd play, they know and knew 100% that you are sk and thus is trying to play like that probably expecting that you vote inccorectly into a loss.

Mafia know already that you are sk, so are we. Just admit it and we can move on, town literraly cannot vote you regardless of your possible alignement (self/town)

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Keep pushing the SK line Cloud.

See how that works out for you.

its the absolute truth dont insult my intelligence, if you want to win this game you have to work with town

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No, they could let the not credible fykus 1vs1 hopkirk in lylo, then theres techniically 50/50 scum win, then they can kill off the gs the other day, it assures that scum survives 2 nights. Theres no reason why they wouldnt kill you honestly its a terrible play

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The last mafia outside hop wouldnt be confirmed mafia, Gs can only check one slot at a time BBT. And if anything GR was mafia and gunsmith cleared, they would 100% let him live because GR could easily be able to win 3 way lylo as gs cleared, versus letting the random sk do his work for another night

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Therefore GR should be cleared in all intent and purposes, and if hes mafia doctor with a 1-shot BP scum then honestly ill just admit that i dont understand the balance meta.

BBT-> SK

ROB -> mefia neihborizer
HOP -> mefia 1xbp

GR -> VT
CK -> VT

peace out

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FTR BBT you lose regardless of your alignement if you vote me

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Dude, you are confirmed sk

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The freaking flip guilty the shit out of you, im waiting for mod the say exactly what he told me in the pt

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There isnt any kind of watching or stalking mechanics, literraly there isnt a single role in the whole game but JK that use the ''visiting mechanics'' therefore the only thing i see how cop could be 'useful' is for the mafia cop to try to cop someone and then they can either find out if they were rb'd or their target rolestopped, it makes literraly no sens at all to include this and not a sk. Especially a scummy sk who were scummy all the game and that is allegedly "mod confirmed" when in fact he isnt if you ask the mod, please

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So what, why not me over him regardless?

This is scum trying to save their cop btw.

oh fucking please, i pushed the love lynched since the start of the day with you, not even once did i really said i wanted anyone else

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No fuck off, also im going to vote

VOTE: rob

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Rob is only town if

1. he didnt try to contact his neihbors at all even tho he was whining about it all game that 2 days isnt enough
2. GR is mafia doctor

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I don't understand why scum have a cop either. That's completely baffled me.

Yes because youre sk. If you were town vig youd understand exactly that what im saying and thinking and line of thoughts is literally 100% genuine town shit because its normal to think theres an sk with a mafia cop flip, yet what you do? you call me mafia. We both know you cannot vote me and you well know that im town because im the only one trying

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So what, why not me over him regardless?

This is scum trying to save their cop btw.

oh fucking please,

i pushed the love lynched since the start of the day

with you

, not even once did i really said i wanted anyone else

You said NOTHING about love until I started pushing him.

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Rob is town.

You and Hopkirk are scum.

Easy game.

its easy game actually youre right, you are in autolose if you didnt already shot hop becuase you wont be able to kill mafia tomorow, and mafia will be able to kill you.

It means that tomorow is either

1 sk 1bp mafia 2 towns -> sk is shot and can try to shoot mafia or shoot town so that town is in loss -> town has a chance to win, mafia doesnt, sk doesnt

1 sk 1mafia 2 towns -> the normal dilemna where everyone is fucked to the bone

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Right, you get 0 cred for the love lynch.

Also, I see. You think that by bringing up the possibility of a SK that would earn you town reads - got it. Didn't work though.

doesnt matter you cant vote me, either you help me lynched ROB the mafia or you are 100% losing

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Since i will never vote hopkirk because it gives worses odds to town because hes probably scum bp

If GR + BBT + mafia lynches, me BBT you are in autoloss

If i refuse to vote HOP, you cannot lynch outside ROB brecause hopkirk will never bus like that so close to lylo when he will be at and advantage with his vest

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VOTE: Cloud

lol you lost idiot, i dont even care

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Right, you get 0 cred for the love lynch.

Also, I see. You think that by bringing up the possibility of a SK that would earn you town reads - got it. Didn't work though.

you are also a better town player than shitting the bed rn

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@mod can you friendly prod everyone so its over

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I'm gonna go ahead and lynch you now.

the only way you win is if youre bullet proof sk, in this case, mafia will want to lynch you over me

VOTE: bbt

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If youre sk you are such an idiot

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Then you lose bro

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I have been voted twice on lylo by "town" and im town, i have no responsibility over the end of the game when i tried

im always willing to lynch rob

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VOTE: rob when we lose the game its because of you not me

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im not doing hopkirk because its obvious you as sk would be in deep sh1t

How do you explain that he hasnt try to contact me even once

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Its funny because i believe you are sk and actually think im mafia and thinks youre pursuing your win con

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You said yourself, love pushed rob the whole game yet never voted them or did anything according to his foses

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Cool stuff

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You are making this easy for mafia when they are both pegged

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full town vig, gunsmith vs 1 traitor 2 mafia (bp and cop) ? i refuse to believe this

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i also never seen in my life 1 shot sk with a town vig, it makes literraly no sens, BBT being sk makes every sens in the world

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Cool then unvote me or you lose

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Cmon you could at the very very very least say anything and you also didnt try to neihborize someone else

If anything this post is only to indicate to his partner that hes no more vla and up for a blitz

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Good job BBT, rob was best lynch

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i was also 100% correct that hop was real bp and was thus the wrong lynch

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Your 2 shot vig claim was pretty crappy, you never unvoted and so you deserve the loss, my thought process was 100% genuine

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It's my own fault for not reading the game properly.

Lovelife was obvious scum once I started reading and it also became obvious that Rob was his buddy as well. You were mostly scum for me because of your claim but I didn't expect there to be a traitor. I'm pretty annoyed with myself atm.

PEdit - Behave Cloud, I was 100% voting Hopkirk until you started spouting that SK bullshit - nobody questioned Hopkirk's claim, everyone believed he was BP.

dude cmon, i assumed scum cop flip = sk and i was 100% willing to lynch rob the obvious mafia from his incoherent action and he didnt even try to talk to me when he whined about it all game, you also pointed out the obvious wierd interactions with rob/love, tho you never unvoted

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Your 2 shot vig claim was pretty crappy, you never unvoted and so you deserve the loss, my thought process was 100% genuine

nah cause SK shows as scum

yes exactly, a scum cop makes sens with either traitor or sk, i just thought the traitor theory wasnt credible

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it wasnt bullshit, your fucking kill was literal sk crap with the pk n1, a scum cop flip = sk or traitor. You dont think that the sk theory made much more sens ?

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We wouldve won if you unvoted and tried to logically understand why i assumed you were sk

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Yes they were, d1 and d2, then they got poed the fuck down with your claim and gr's check, it was all gucci until you just ruined it with you being pissed because i logically assumed you were sk for good ass reasons

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it wasnt bs, as long as you dont understand my pov and this theres no reason why youd play this game, this is literraly a textbook exemple why me pushing you as sk wasnt scummy

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Your hopkirk push was also what a sk would do, lynching rob the mafia was the best play here, i was believing you at the end because sk wouldnt vote me into autoloss, i appealed to you, i pointed out what you found on love/rob and yet, not unovtes until they blitz, exactly what i said

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Dude who cares if i shaded you, i couldnt vote you so who cares

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I like how everyone thought I was scum except my partner.
Wouldn't both the town and a sk want me lynched there?

Sk yes because bp, hence why i wanted Rob because i assumed sk and not traitor was in the game