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[Havo]

What's up people's.

[Havo]

What's up people's.

i dislike your actress' avi

Haters gonna Hate.

[Havo]

What's up people's.

i dislike your actress' avi

Haters gonna Hate.

To be fair you could definitely find a hotter picture.

True.

Rob playing peacemaker early. Lol

Noted.

[Havo]

I don't like rvs/I like rvs

It was a joke/it wasn't a joke

'Bout sums it up so far.

Man look at all that critical thinking I just laid down.

[Havo]

I would still like a reason for not wanting to RVS @Rob @cloud

Seems to me everywhere I read talks about how RVS is a good idea

I dont need to like all the "good" ideas either

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Why would you not like something you just admitted was good?

When you bump your head into things, does it hurt? Or just feel like rubber?

[Havo]

Its funny how im being misquoted/understood

Tell me about your childhood.

Start with your earliest memory.

[Havo]

Because you're choosing to ignore the ongoing conversations. Why?

VOTE: lovelife

Too early for the Bull in the China shop.

[Havo]

Because you're choosing to ignore the ongoing conversations. Why?

VOTE: lovelife

Too early for the Bull in the China shop.

Badvote

awful early to be throwing shade.

[Havo]

awful early to be throwing shade.

Why.

We're 5 pages in and someone is already saying voting you is a bad idea.

That's why.

[Havo]

What would you prefer I do, sit around twiddling my thumbs? Also, that still isn't a very concise argument.

No.

U do u boo.

You scum hunt your way and I will scum hunt my way.

I just pointed out that I thought it was early for someone to be getting bothered by you receiving a single vote.
A SINGLE vote.

[Havo]

Maybe theyre mason

Lol. Maybe.

If so they should probably be a bit more subtle.

Don't ya think?

[Havo]

Maybe theyre mason

Doubt it

Highly.

[Havo]

I just pointed out that I thought it was early for someone to be getting bothered by you receiving a single vote.
A SINGLE vote.

I actually agree with you here.

A reasonable bull. I like it.

[Havo]

When do we cross the magic threshold when its OK to "throw shade" or be a "bull in a china shop?" How does your ideal Day 1 .

Not before Day 2

My ideal Day 1 is scum says something shady and I call them out and town says Oh hells yeah and we lynch them but only after I peg his buddies by association.

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[Havo]

awful early to be throwing shade.

My ideal Day 1 is scum says something shady and I call them out

OK, I'm no longer worried about this being scum attempting to shut down discussion. I do think you should take a step back and examine your thought processes before you keep calling people out for saying stuff though.

Moving on!

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Ever going to explain the tchill vote?

Like I told LL. You find the scumz your way and I'll find the scumz my way.

My method has worked well for me for a long time. Not changing it now.

And Yes, Moving On!

[Havo]

It has? I don't remember you being any good at finding scum

This is why I can't have nice things.

[Havo]

Generally I am suspicious of people who seem overly comfortable like Robb and Fykus, however, I think that's just how Fykus plays TBH. Don't know about Robb. I would like to see some real discussion from him about his vote.

This is exactly how Rob plays.

He always seems to get a lot of heat for it on D1. But that's how he likes it.

He's a classic counter puncher.

[Havo]

He's a classic counter puncher.

lol. I think my sig describes me to a tee

I don't know you or that person but it kind of looks like they were more insulting you than anything.

Regarding the other comments: that's not a criticism, it's stating what you're doing. There were other posts to respond to, but the ones you were responding to were just setup speculation rather than things that are sorting the game. In conjunction with the fact that your scumread on Jordarrian seems to be just based on you disagreeing with

their

scumread rather than you explicitly scumreading Jordarrian, yes I think your play so far is pretty shaky.

Just for the record - It was not an insult. Rob and I go way back. He has his own style of playing and he can be wicked good at times. If he's town he's definitely an asset. So i never rush to lynch him. But when he is scum he needs to die like every other scum.

[Havo]

He's a classic counter puncher.

lol. I think my sig describes me to a tee

I don't know you or that person but it kind of looks like they were more insulting you than anything.

Regarding the other comments: that's not a criticism, it's stating what you're doing. There were other posts to respond to, but the ones you were responding to were just setup speculation rather than things that are sorting the game. In conjunction with the fact that your scumread on Jordarrian seems to be just based on you disagreeing with

their

scumread rather than you explicitly scumreading Jordarrian, yes I think your play so far is pretty shaky.

Just for the record - It was not an insult. Rob and I go way back. He has his own style of playing and he can be wicked good at times. If he's town he's definitely an asset. So i never rush to lynch him. But when he is scum he needs to die like every other scum.

Okay so you have experience with him, that's cool.

What do you think his alignment is here so far?

At this point it's normal Rob to me.

If I thought he was acting scummy I'd be voting him or at least interacting more directly with him.

Of course that doesn't mean he's clear. It's still early.

[Havo]

Generally I am suspicious of people who seem overly comfortable like Robb and Fykus, however, I think that's just how Fykus plays TBH. Don't know about Robb. I would like to see some real discussion from him about his vote.

Why is it suspicious to you?

It makes me think they know who's a threat and who isn't, unlike a real townsperson who has no idea who's going to stab them in the back.

So LL whats your mafia experience

Just the last game we played together, now this one. That's it.

I think the more you play the more you will get comfortable also. However, I see why you would think this.

VOTE: Unvote

[Havo]

Just for the record - It was not an insult. Rob and I go way back. He has his own style of playing and he can be wicked good at times. If he's town he's definitely an asset. So i never rush to lynch him. But when he is scum he needs to die like every other scum.

What are you thinking about robb right now, havo? I just played a game with him, and this feels a little less natural to me.

P-Edit: hmmmm ok

I don't have a read on him tbh. I haven't seen anything either way to make me think he's town or scum.

The argument against him ATM is not compelling to me. I see his play so far as normal Rob.

[Havo]

We need some of the low posters to show up.

[Havo]

Just for the record - It was not an insult. Rob and I go way back. He has his own style of playing and he can be wicked good at times. If he's town he's definitely an asset. So i never rush to lynch him. But when he is scum he needs to die like every other scum.

What are you thinking about robb right now, havo? I just played a game with him, and this feels a little less natural to me.

P-Edit: hmmmm ok

I don't have a read on him tbh. I haven't seen anything either way to make me think he's town or scum.

The argument against him ATM is not compelling to me. I see his play so far as normal Rob.

It's not compelling to me either. Honestly, the main person I'm suspicious of is Jord. The only thing that stopped me from changing my vote to him was his claim that he made an introductory post before reading anything, which is, of course, impossible to prove if this is true or false.

Jord is interesting right now. Hopefully he shows back soon.

[Havo]

Is anyone goong to ask me to justify my naked votes or i can just keep doin it

I have no problem with naked votes on day 1.

[Havo]

Speaking of tchill, where is he?

Tchill is here. This day 1 seems a little strange. There's not a stupid wagon on someone by page 5.

I was hoping one would have formed on Jordan. He was scummy enough but it stalled for some reason. He also seemed to come out agreessive early and but has stalled since. I feel like possible scum trying to lay low now.

Is anyone goong to ask me to justify my naked votes or i can just keep doin it

So what are the odds cloudkicker is scum based on the fact these 2 posts came back to back?

not sure if its relevant but i didnt really read the last 2 pages' big posts

Oh good grief.

[Havo]

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Your jord case is alright, but I'm too suspicious of robb/havo to want to jump on their scumreads.

Well let's talk about this.

What are you too suspicious about?

That I said Rob is just being Rob?

[Havo]

Robb and havo have pinged me the most so far but not strongly, still on lurkers for now.

Care to point out what it was I said that pinged you?

[Havo]

town leans -------

Backhand
lovelife
necro
Robbnva
Fykus
BlueBloodedToffee

mefia leans ------
Sofiel

This is my overall my impression of the game rn

This is the worst attempt that I've seen at trying to look like town work that I can remember.

[Havo]

It still bothers me that you twice tried to shut down discussion with "too early" comments, and yeah, I don't think robb

is

being robb, he's pretty muted by his standards. He has also said he's just trying to keep his cool this game so maybe that's all it is, but it pings me that you were so quick to defend him. Enough to not wagon with you at least, I'm happy with my vote on BBT.

Ok fine. I wasn't trying to shut down anything. IMO I was adding to the conversation about Rob. Just bringing a different opinion about his style from someone with experience.

You will notice not once did I inject myself into Necros conversations with Rob. That went on long after I said my piece. I have no issues with any vetting Rob or anyone else for that matter.

[Havo]

My vote on LL was much more of a reaction test on him since he had stormed onto the scene the way he did. I got what I wanted and moved on.

[Havo]

town leans -------

Backhand
lovelife
necro
Robbnva
Fykus
BlueBloodedToffee

mefia leans ------
Sofiel


This is my overall my impression of the game rn

This is the worst attempt that I've seen at trying to look like town work that I can remember.

Elaborate? I kind of agree actually but I want to see if your reasons are mine.

I don't like half of his town leans. There's better suspects and I don't like his scum lean.

But mainly it just looks like he's trying to look busy. Like he's doing something townish.

[Havo]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

[Havo]

It appears I got my games crossed.

VOTE: Vote- Cloud

[Havo]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

Faking a daykill is scummy

VOTE: Havo

Oh I wasn't faking.

[Havo]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

Faking a daykill is scummy

VOTE: Havo

On Day 4 or 5 against someone who could be a PR? Sure.

On Day 1 against someone who was Begging for attention? No.

[Havo]

Sure

You sure have gotten quiet all of a sudden.

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

Was this for the Daykill or maybe Cloud being at L-2 was not such a good thing for you?

[Havo]

The day kill. I was about to vote cloud before you did that. I don't tolerate bs gambits and been burned by too many scum using them for town cred. Plus I hate lying. So you're scum

Yeah but I'm not.

[Havo]

The fuck are you on about

I don't know what the hell hes up too.

I can't help but think he's not scum by him screaming for all this attention.

But what the hell kinda town play is this?

unvote

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

Was this for the Daykill or maybe Cloud being at L-2 was not such a good thing for you?

The day kill. I was about to vote cloud before you did that. I don't tolerate bs gambits and been burned by too many scum using them for town cred. Plus I hate lying. So you're scum

Just for the record, I thought you were voting Cloud and then changed your vote to me after.

Thus me making the first statement. I was mistaken on that.

[Havo]

The day kill. I was about to vote cloud before you did that. I don't tolerate bs gambits and been burned by too many scum using them for town cred. Plus I hate lying. So you're scum

Yeah but I'm not.

I'm not so sure I believe you.

Yeah well don't be too nice to me. Backhand will think this was all staged.

[Havo]

I am paranoid cop and can only check people who voted me the day before

That would be an awesome role.

Except that paranoid cop always gets a guilty. No?

[Havo]

town leans -------

Backhand
lovelife
necro
Robbnva
Fykus
BlueBloodedToffee

mefia leans ------
Sofiel


This is my overall my impression of the game rn

This is the worst attempt that I've seen at trying to look like town work that I can remember.

Elaborate? I kind of agree actually but I want to see if your reasons are mine.

I don't like half of his town leans. There's better suspects and I don't like his scum lean.

But mainly it just looks like he's trying to look busy. Like he's doing something townish.

So a readslist is townish? How do you differentiate between a town readslist and a scum readslist? I've seen super detailed readslist coming from scum before, this is just a readslist without any explanations and Cloud seems reluctant - is that why it looks like busy work to you?

Or is it busy work in some way on its own.

I'm not moving vote from Cloud because the reasoning for why they must be town is...kinda ridiculous. If mafia thought putting 6 townreads in a list would get them townread at a point they were the leading wagon in the game, then they'd do just that. And saying "it'd be too much effort for mafia to explain" - ok sure, and right now you're doing just that.

I think this is just mafia trying to sell the 'too scum to be scum' play. Also we're definitely well past RVS now, so I feel like this is pretty much that point where I was waiting to see if your play did change, but it pretty much hasn't.

No a read list isn't necessarily townish. But throwing out a pretty bad one when no ones
Asked you for it IMO looks like he's trying to give the appearance he's scum hunting.

Scum wants to look like they are scum hunting but it's not so easy to give that appearance when
Your read lists look that weak.

[Havo]

BBT is also a player that I really need to see more out of, I'd be tempted to lynch there as well. Not sure what to make of the idea of a Cloud+BBT wolf team right now. Early bussing and distancing isn't unheard of but also not something to totally bank on.

I'm also finding Havo a bit underwhelming, and I like backhand so far I think. Enough that they're a player I can see me working with throughout the game. What do you think of Havo, Backhand?

My day 1's usually are underwhelming. I need content. I've mislynched too many bad townies on Day 1 by being too gung ho when I first started playing. Now I don't rush. I let it come to me.

[Havo]

I wonder if havo's stunt was to draw attention from jord

IDK why you're leaning on Havo about this, you haven't commented much on Jord either...

LL I'll have to go back and re read your interactions with Jord. I thought there could be something there but I remember thinking reading it as NEWB and not particularly standing out to me at the time.

If people can't see why I wanted Cloud Dead then I don't know what to tell you. He was and still is acting like
JackLeg. And he dared me to vote him on top of that.

[Havo]

you wanted cloud dead cause he was mean to you. I know what that is like, lots of people want me dead for the same reason

No. Not because he was mean to me. I don't give a rats ass about that.

Because he was and is begging for attention. So I was gonna give it to him.

[Havo]

At first I thought Cloud just wanted to rack up votes so he could claim a PR and tell everyone to back off him.
(Well actually at first I thought he was drunk)
Then I thought maybe he is a fool or a Jester. Or a bomb and just wants out.
So I un voted and thought I'd give it some time.
But how is his actions good for or helping town?
Why would you draw that kind of attention to your self?

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

So what's the reason for this vote?

Because since posting your read list you have done absolutely zero game solving and

Sof was your only scum lean. This vote looks shady to me because it came only after

I had picked up 2 votes. Like maybe you thought this vote might get the train rolling.

[Havo]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

well done

good luck partners

And I do find the "Well Done" comment interesting.

[Havo]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

well done

good luck partners

And I do find the "Well Done" comment interesting.

You think that's actually indicative?

I could over analyze for sure.

Why "partners"? Why not Good luck town or townies.

Or why wouldn't it be, "way to go dumbarse"?

Why would there be a "well done" at all?

[Havo]

Probably so. But with the attitude and language he's thrown down so far.

That response seems very tame.

[Havo]

I think you are overanalyzing--reads as a sarcastic response to a silly gambit to me.

Apparently Not.........

It was a fake scumclaim as if you caught me

No I think my intuition was correct about that statement.

But now we know, or at least he claims, that he WANTED us to believe him to be scum.

[Havo]

Sof has seemed pretty towny to me with the little interaction she's had. What do you guys think of her so far though?

I agree with you.

[Havo]

I'm good with lynching that spot.

VOTE: Pisskop

[Havo]

I'm good with lynching that spot.

VOTE: Pisskop

you mefiaso

Nope.

If you have a role where you can actually check someone and you come up with some BS excuse as to why you didn't check me tonight, then you should be insta lynched tomorrow.

That's for damn sure.

[Havo]

How are we lazy? Jord looks like mafia to me and you've done nothing to change my opinion on your slot.

Exactly this.

His actions stepping into that spot is what convinced me to vote him.

[Havo]

Jordash aka pisskop got taken to L-1 but has posted some town seeming things so the wagon stalled and theres the startof one on me for some raisin

I'll read the posts but based on Jordan's play I'm all for his lynch. Replacements need to do some really amazing shit to change my read. I'll see if pisskop has done anything like that.

He hasn't. In fact his play the way he has come in has led me to vote him.

Backhand calling his wagon gross also makes me think Backhand is pushing an agenda.

[Havo]

Ooh ooh. Let me get caught up so I can get insulted and belitteled too.

[Havo]

and this is why you probably aren't town either. you don't say people aren't explaining it because you refuse to read.

p.edit - I don't enable lazy people. sorry scum #2

Oh trust me, that's not why I'm probably not scum, you have a fun road ahead of you yet!
Not that you will be here for the rest of the game.

Daykill Rob

Thanks. \o/

VOTE: BBT

OMG!!!!!!!!
Be ready for Mass confusion and Hysteria!!

Oh wait, the people that whined at me are silent
As a mouse about this.

[Havo]

Pisskop actually faked Doc claim and he's still alive.

Cloud kicker has been a joke and he's still alive.

There's some terrabad town players in this game.

[Havo]

We have to end D1 to avoid the game stalling and a random flash wagon happening at the last minute which is more likely than not going to land on town.

We have 42 pages of information and we've had numerous wagons. End the day and hammer TChill please.

What is your problem with letting people claim?

WTF wouldn't you let him claim???

What is he's a town PR??

You're playing reckless as hell.

[Havo]

Hands down the worst town play I have ever seen. SMDH

[Havo]

Virt was killed because he soft claimed Vig.

Are u guys even reading the thread????

He killed PK.

[Havo]

He threatened ** to kill PK.

[Havo]

Nah. VOTE: Fykus

Ignition, a number of people were on both wagons--including me! Why BBT in particular?

This should be the vote.

[Havo]

VOTE: Fykus

[Havo]

I'm very surprised by how fast Fykus got to L-1 though. Does that seem odd to anyone else? Am I really just missing something that obvious about Fykus?

Was way too fast.

[Havo]

hop backhand and rob seems town, im unsure on everyone else. Ignition outed some towny lines the same way fykus did somewhere d2, the only ones i really dont like or see as town is havo

You're terrible at this.

Why the hell did you even sign up?

[Havo]

VOTE: BBT

[Havo]

No excuse for BBTs play. Putting Fykus at L-1 after the way he played on day 1.

[Havo]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

And tchills wagon was ramrodded thru without so much as a claim. And everyone is just ok with that?

?????????????

[Havo]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

Don't even get me started on your contributions to town this game. Lmao.

[Havo]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

And tchills wagon was ramrodded thru without so much as a claim. And everyone is just ok with that?

?????????????

tchill had a shit ass iso and he was indeed hammered w/o a claim, doesnt mean he wasnt scummy or a worse choice than pk

Hammering someone without letting them at least defend their position helps no one but scum.

[Havo]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

Don't even get me started on your contributions to town this game. Lmao.

so what

Exactly.

[Havo]

Hm yet i did that as town this week in another game and 2 i said my poe mefia pool is you, bbt and sof slot

I'm done with you.

[Havo]

Havo, what do you think about ignition?

Leaning town.

He hasn't pinged me and I just get a basic town feel from him.

He's starting to put out more content also which is good.

[Havo]

@havo. Do you still suspect fykus or did bbt's vote change your reads?

No I still think Fykus is shady and he would be my top scum read if BBT and Cloud were not in the game.

I'm tried of BBT's shit tbh. Cloud for that matter also. They are not playing a town game, they are playing an anti town game.

I think there's a decent chance either might be scum, so I'd rather lynch both of them and eliminate their anti town play.

Even if they are town I can't play with their rushed/confusing anti cooperative play. I'd rather eliminate those slots and get down to a group of

players that can solve this game together.

Or you guys can just lynch me and I can move on to the next game.

[Havo]

OK, so both leading wagons were on town.

That means scum are either a) manipulating the town very well or b) sitting back quietly.

I'm gonna go with b. I need to look over things from yesterday but

Virtuoso being killed is a strange one for me

. PK not so much.

It was quite obvious Virt soft claimed Vig, so this is just a huge red flag for me. If BBT isn't paying attention to the thread, then why the hell is he

throwing his vote around so recklessly and pushing so hard for lynches?

Ignition you're way off. You need to stop wasting your time and start looking for actual scum.

I don't like the tone of this post.

VOTE: Fykus

I can do this.

Then he puts Fykus at L-1 a mere few hours into the day, without asking for a claim or noting that it's L-1. WTH?

I'll read up on this game properly when I have some time.

I need to sort some solid town reads out before I do anything else.

Now it's, Oh wait, let me actually start playing and read up. So you he hasn't been really trying to this point?

This is not Pro Town play. Over anxious townie? maybe, but it's not helpful to town.

[Havo]

I suggest that the Vig claim the kill and try to lead the day, i sincerely doubt that the sk went for a VT claim heavily scumread or that mafia killed PK, so im assuming that it was from a town vig

There's probably 3 scum and we've lost 3 townies already and Cloud wants to out a town PR, this is a huge red flag IMO.

[Havo]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

yes, PK was so obvious town he had 5 votes on him.

[Havo]

Game Information:

• This game features a single scum faction.
  
• Daychat is disabled by default.
  
• Scum may use any abilities they have along with their factional abilities on the same night.
  
• Game will begin when 12/13 have confirmed their roles.

Definitely not an SK--

its not a bad idea at all

, a confirmed townie would help a lot.

And when I really want to town read Backhand, he'll post something to keep me from doing it. Like this.
How can this be a good idea, this early in the game?

[Havo]

I suggest that the Vig claim the kill and try to lead the day, i sincerely doubt that the sk went for a VT claim heavily scumread or that mafia killed PK, so im assuming that it was from a town vig

There's probably 3 scum and we've lost 3 townies already and Cloud wants to out a town PR, this is a huge red flag IMO.

[Havo]

Who gives, its a fucking clear leading d2 idiot

Yes and just because someone claims Vig, it means 100% they are cleared. Right?

No possible way it couldn't be. Right?

[Havo]

Who gives, its a fucking clear leading d2 idiot

Hey on second thought, yes let's do it your way.

Vig should claim and lead. Yes please do.

Vig should definitely out themselves and lead us to a lynch today.

Do it.

[Havo]

OK, so both leading wagons were on town.

That means scum are either a) manipulating the town very well or b) sitting back quietly.

I'm gonna go with b. I need to look over things from yesterday but

Virtuoso being killed is a strange one for me

. PK not so much.

It was quite obvious Virt soft claimed Vig, so this is just a huge red flag for me. If BBT isn't paying attention to the thread, then why the hell is he

throwing his vote around so recklessly and pushing so hard for lynches?

So this should actually be a town tell rather than a red flag. If scum shot aiming for the vig, which seems highly likely, then scumBBT would definitely be aware of that.

And the more I think about it, the more I think hopkirk is right about ignitions comments on virtuoso. There is no town perspective that still believes virtuoso was a town vig day 2.

VOTE: Ignition

That's L-1, he already claimed. I'm comfortable with this being hammered.

It might be a town tell, I see your point on that, I just don't like the way BBT rushes these lynches.

Ignition hasn't pinged me, he's seemed too ready to go with the flow on votes but that's it. Hops point is compelling tho looking back on it. But I think that's pretty thin to be lynching him IMO.

[Havo]

I feel like there must be a mason group in this game the way town is playing.

[Havo]

VOTE: IgnitionUSMC

So no reasoning for this hammer?

[Havo]

He's either scum or a liability. He's done little to help town and is just sheeping from one vote to another. Players like that, even if they are town, are usually easily manipulated by scum.

So he's more of a liability to you than BBT?

Or Cloud?

[Havo]

GG mafia guys.

[Havo]

I was going to confirm the game as 10:3 town:scum but I thought that if the Cop/Rolecop died early it would give away the fact that there was a traitor so I changed it to what it is now so it would be possible for a SK.

Good job. Thanks for running it.