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I'll post tomorrow

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Don't call Chilly and Fykus scum!

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Why's Chilly scum, Hopkirk?

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2 more votes please.

Tchill, Fykus, Virtuoso and Game replacement - your votes are doing nothing right now.

Make them useful.

VOTE: BBT

Don't tell me how to live my life.

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Why are we lynching Pisskop?
He's my best friend!

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I don't care!
But where's your backing to that?

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I'm at work, if you want me to vote my best buddy any time soon, you should sell me on it now.
Keep in mind this is day 1, and I'm biased as fuck!

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I'm happy with my vote.
Everyone follow me!

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You need to lose that bias cause that's against site rules.

Then complain about me.

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UNVOTE: i dont think fykus is scum anymore, but im going to work rn and the wagon are getting really close to a lynch so ill just hold my vote until i come back tonight

Pull yourself together, Cloud, lynch BBT with me.

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You need to lose that bias cause that's against site rules.

Then complain about me.

Done

Great stuff!
I'm still not voting with you kid.

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When he flips scum you can be next

Or I could just lynch you.

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You could. Wouldn't bother me at all as long as people sheeped my reads.

No one is going to sheep your reads, buddy.

Hey, Piss, who we lynching? Rob?

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why are you asking me who we are lynching?


tchill

or me I guess, then chilly tomorrow if people do what they never do and listen to the dead

Don't worry, I won't let your lynch go through! \o/

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don't tell me what to do thanks

Do better

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GR, you town reading PK?

yes?
I gave you an opportunity to change my mind, and you chose not to take it.

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But you have over 100 posts!
Chilly will tell me if he's scum though, I'm sure of it.

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with whom do you share a hydra?

Who?

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Why are you town reading PK?

I don't want to change your mind - you have to do that of your own accord.

Because no one can explain why he's scum, so that means that scum are pushing his wagon.
If you don't want to change my mind, then you don't think he's scum.

NEXT!

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I have explained why he is scum

Is there a problem with my reasoning that you would like to discuss?

Then explain to me now.
And I'm not reading through your ISO, if he is scum to you, you can explain in detail why.

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whom.

the subject of the inquiry, thus whom is proper and who os improper


your pronoun sheet says 'they'

Shut up!
Also, it's just Vedith. \o/

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pretty sure people have explained why he is scum. I know I explained why jordan was scum, and I explained why pisskop has supported my read that the slot is scum.

I seriously doubt he got to L-1 without people saying why he is scum. stop lying

Then explain it now.
I want your reasons in the next post of you prove that I am right.

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I think I must have mis clicked. I never realised lol.

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Fixed

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and this is why you probably aren't town either. you don't say people aren't explaining it because you refuse to read.

p.edit - I don't enable lazy people. sorry scum #2

Oh trust me, that's not why I'm probably not scum, you have a fun road ahead of you yet!
Not that you will be here for the rest of the game.

Daykill Rob

Thanks. \o/

VOTE: BBT

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Vote BBT, I think I have the game solved already.

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Did you know, I have a really good track record at reading Chilly correctly?

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Chilly could be scum!
Talk to me, Chilly.

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I already said, Rob. It's Vedith! \o/

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BBT dipped when I wanted reasons? Or he's actually doing the case for me?

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Pisskop, without lying to alter your defence, give me the reasons that you are being voted, to your knowledge.

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you have played with bbt before?

his d1 isnt unusual here.

what is new, to me, is how slippery he's being about content and pushing his scumreads.

Yeah, I have.
I haven't read anything from before I started posting today. I might get to it though.

BBT will have viable reasons to present if he thinks you are scum.
If he doesn't, then he's rolled scum.

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hit up chilly's iso too.

its _super_ short

I did. It could be scum!

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lol this made me laugh.

you have time to be here posting but you can't answer his question?

Neither did you or BBT. So there's that.

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Yes you should.
If you believe that someone is scum, you want to convince others on the lynch.
If you don't believe it, then you have fuck all to say. Looks to me you have fuck all to say.

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he is at l-1, so clearly others agree he is scum. I don't have to bend over backwards because his scum buddy doesn't want to bus him

I don't care if Dany drops a scum read on him.
If I see no reason, and a wagon, it's scum pushed.

Easy game, easy money!

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have you ever tried to Q+ on a phone?

or copy paste?

real pain in the monads

Yeah I agree!

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Rob is just angry scum that I caught.

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@Pisskop

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I am not playing the victim. i gave a timeframe on when I would read and you should just accept that and move on. if you had an issue with that you could have handled it better instead of being a dick.

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@Pisskop

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So we have reached a consensuses that half my wagon is for vague 'he's scum because I said so' reasons and half because of hurt feels?

Yeah, scum are pushing your wagon.
BBT is scum 9/10 times here.

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Yay \o/

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Rob can't talk about his reads because he's scum.

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VOTE: Chilly

Tomorrow we Lynch BUT. Trust me on this.

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BBT I mean lol

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If a vig shot Pisskop, you need to go back to the newbie section.

So today we are lynching BBT. No if's buts or coconuts.

VOTE: BBT

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Stop talking about the vig.

Vig should have killed you.
Shit vig.

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First of all its LyLo not MyLo. Stop being bad.
Secondly, I'm VT and we only lynch in the VT claims.

That's me, Love and Cloud.

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We have 3 claimed PRs?

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vig, gunsmith, bp, and "something cloud will confirm if hes town"

Math is hard.

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Given that BBT is either vig or so he's not the lynch today.
If he's SK that means that Hopkirk is always flipping Scum and there for the rest if the claims are real.

Fykus is going to be town unless love or Cloud CC and Rob, well let's hear more there.

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Friendly neibour, Robb?

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Given that BBT is either vig or so

*SK

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BBT is more likely town than SK because of a gunsmith alone.

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It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

Well, it wasn't. But even So, that's not an AI role.

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I think Cloud today (keeping in mind that I'm assuming Love as VT)
Lynch Scum, they have to choose BBT or Fykus to kill.

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Creature/ignition/game possible scum team? Does that work?

He meant Cloud here.
But he had Cloud as Scum?

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It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

Well, it wasn't. But even So, that's not an AI role.

At least twice this game I said we probably didn't have masons.

I could have said that. Just from how bad town have done.
But again, even so... It's NAI

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Why?

Why are you being bad? Or why in the VTs?
Because this is where I disbelieve the most.

Given that there's Scum in you/Robb suggests that whoever, if not both are most likely actually PRs. Meaning that the Goon(s) on yourside will be claiming VT.
Given that BBT can't be Scum, and Fykus is never being Scum and claiming gunsmith while town don't have a CC (given that Love hasn't claimed).

The problem is, right now your role can be either and I'm not setting it on town/Scum as it depends who the mod intended to favour with your role, Scum or town.
So imo we have to judge you on your play rather than your claim. While in the VTs, we can judge it by roles and logic.

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Yeah, Rob is probably today's lynch.

Not if we Lynch Cloud.

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Rob, why did you neighbourize Cloud? And how many shots do you have?

Cause I wanted to try and sort him in a low pressure environment

Why Cloud in particular?

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It's pretty obvious I'm neighborizer

Well, it wasn't. But even So, that's not an AI role.

At least twice this game I said we probably didn't have masons.

I could have said that. Just from how bad town have done.
But again, even so... It's NAI

It is to me. Scum neighborizer are not common and good reviewers wouldn't give scum a stupid role like that.

It's even amount as Scum town.
Pretty sure the last 2 games I saw them in had 2 Scum and 1 town.
I'll look later if I feel like it or you can take my word it's NAI (which also means it's not scummy)

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You chose to neighbourize someone you thought was scum so you could sort them?

yes

N1 I tried to neighbor game but I'm assuming I was blocked or he was jail kept.

N2 I went with cloud.

Why me night 1?

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Stop talking about the vig.

Vig should have killed you.
Shit vig.

Should have shot you for your shit hammer. Stupid vig

Why would you visit me and say This?

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Day 2 you had me as Scum and wanted to lynch me, why would you try and get me in a hood and waste the power?

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Stop talking about the vig.

Vig should have killed you.
Shit vig.

Should have shot you for your shit hammer. Stupid vig

Why would you visit me and say This?

I didn't know this game had a vig

But you sit thought that I should have died and thought that I should have been lynched day 2?

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I've got to go out.
I'll post more later.

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Unless I'm missing something obvious, there's no way to prove or disprove fykus's claim. He also knows it's plausible with a vig in the game. It's as plausible as a VT claim.

So town have no investigative roles but have NAI roles instead?
And Scum Fykus decided that this was the case?

No.

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This game features a single scum faction.
Daychat is disabled by default.

For a start, this makes BBT town 100%
Second - this is why there's no day chat in the hood.

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Waiting on love life.

Cloud - why should we consider you as town in 10 words?

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Also I think Rob is most likely town here.

Which means the Scum team should be Hopkirk Cloud and Love.

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You really think a gs, vig, joat and neighborizer could all exist in this game?

Of course.
JOAT has no investigation options, so Gunsmith is cleared, JOAT is dead, cleared. Vig is proven, and said that there is only 1 faction to beat, cleared.
neighborizer isn't there as a balance role, and never will be. I've seen a few of Robb's games, and I believe his way of thinking would be to sort a player rather than to mason with a player. He also seemed unaware that there's not day talk for PTs in the game.
Unless 1 of his partners is an Encryptor and he just assumed that day talk is just gucci which I highly doubt considering the wording from mod, Robb isn't flipping scum here.

Leaving Hopkirk/Love/Cloud

2 goons and 1 PR.

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This is based on the assumption that every game has an investigative role, which is false.

And scum Fykus knew there was no investigative?

FYI this is a false statement. I just checked and 5 scum neighborizer roles to 20 town. That's 20%. Nowhere close to half.

If it's false I'm just going by experience.

Regardless, scim is Hopkirk/Love/Cloud.

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Why the 180 on me? You seemed like you were scum reading me yesterday (irl not game day) and now you don't.

I actually said I don't k ow if you're Scum or town yesterday.
Not that you're Scum.

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Are we ready to lynch someone now?

Waiting for Love to post.

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@GR: Stop pretending you don't know scum claim investigative roles. Obviously a real one would be a threat at lylo, so he likely claimed assuming he'd be conflicting with another investigative role, and is now pretty happy having found out there isn't one.

This is Scum worried.

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BBT you can decides where i vote if you want, or ill just vote game replacement

And this is a scum claim saying that they will vote where a no gun result was.

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How is GR town this game though?

I'm town every game.

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This game there is just no way you can be town.

I'm gonna try and sit down and have a look at this game after the football tonight.

I would have said the same about you. Even your night kills had me questioning it but given you're confirmed, I'm accepting it.
Unless you think that either me and Hopkirk are scum together and he's not BP, or that there's a JOAT, BP and Doc to prevent your power, then I'm fully confirmed town here.

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Both my night kills made sense to me?

You and Hopkirk could be scum together and he IS a BP - scum could easy have a BP.

Where is there a Doc?

Doesn't mean they weren't terrible kills.
So scum have a BP and a doc? Because I'm cleared as no gun, sweetheart.

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Why couldn't scum have a BP and Doc?

Show me a game where town have so many counters to their roles.
You can either pretend to be stupid, or you can accept that I'm town.

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I think town having counters is called game balancing.

Otherwise, it would be unbalanced.

So it's balanced to have 2 Scum riles preventing your Night kill
And 2 roles to mess up a gunsmith result?

Very balanced.
Go sit outside.

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We should really wait for love.

Town is voted, nothing i can do about it

Says that Fykus is town. Votes him
This isn't flipping town.

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Love in prod range yet?

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Unless you've never played Lylo before it's really obvious cloud is talking about himself being town. 1 town vote on town in Lylo means Mafia win.

VOTE: Fykus

And the person voting Cloud is Fykus.
So the only way he can have worry there with Fykus voting him is if Fykus is town.

Nice to see you come to Cloud's aid though.

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Cloud isn't town and neither is Hopkirk.

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Love is still scum. But yeah, scum are trying to rush it.

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In no universe is Fykus scum here and yet he has 2 votes on him during LyLo.

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Yes because im in autoloss if hes town, use your brain, nothing i cna do when im being voted in lylo

You're in auto lose, so instead of trying to change their mind, lets vote town and get scum to still win.
You're not town here.

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Nice to see you come to fykus's aid again.

Well, the rest of the town are pretty stupid right now, so of course I'm pointing out on someone who can't be scum here.
Keep voting there though.

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I'm here, I just don't rate your opinion.

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I mean, I can try and pretend if that's what you want?

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BBT is right! \o/

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I think Robb is town. But I'll leave that until Cloud and Love are lynched.

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Because scum need a back up lynch? I don't know.
I think Robb was genuine with the no day talk shit.

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Wait, where did he hint to it?

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I'll lynch Love today. I'll lynch you today.
I do not think that Robb and Hopkirk are both scum, so regardless who we lynch from you 2, it's a scum flip.

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I'm okay with that.

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You can also ask yourself why would i bother appeal to someone who scumreads me when i know that if love is town id have the majority as scum with bbt's vote

I'm not saying that you are scum and Love is town though?

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Considering I tried to lynch my scum buddy in LyLo last time we played, don't think that!

Pedit - I agree. If there is a roleblocker of course, either of us could have been jailed night 1.

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Hmm, okay.

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I meant me or Robb

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Robb targeted me night 1?

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I think that's how it works? Like a rolestopper.

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But Jailor does both.

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But there was a jail keeper...
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Backhand JOAT (Doctor/

Jailkeeper

/Bodyguard) was killed Night 2.

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but I forgot what exactly it was

Okay.
We gucci to vote?

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I'm holding back on voting you right now.

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Thanks for confirming Robb to me though.

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Town don't come in late and drop a vote on someone with a gunsmith result on them. They vote the gun smith if they think it's a lie.
You made it too easy.

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I'll drop a vote over the weekend if no content happens, I'm off out.

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This is my L1 post meaning I can only be Scum with Love.
Tonight I suggest that BBT doesn't shoot. If he shoots wrong he puts it to 2 Scum 2 town.
Cloud and Hopkirk are the other 2 remaining Scum for me but we can work on that tomorrow.

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you said you were all gucci voting lovelife, wheres the vote

I said tomorrow.

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I'll vote now but BBT please consider not shooting.

VOTE: Love

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I'm assuming there's 1 scum and 1 traitor?

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nobody questioned Hopkirk's claim, everyone believed he was BP.

I thought he was town BP lol

Who did you think was traitor, GR?

You. I thought you were BP traitor as that's pretty common.

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Again. I don't think you are right. Bp traitor isn't very common

From the hundreds of games I've seen here, I've seen more BP traitors than not.
Just because a BP traitor isn't in every game, I'm talking about when there is a traitor, they are more likely BP.

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I've seen them in normals.
If you can't get an idea of what is more likely scum/town as a whole instead of just 1 type of game though, then you won't be able to discuss setup correctly.
That's why I would have been right on the BP traitor because I play every type of game and have a better understanding of setup spec.

Reason your role was 100% NAI and you had to be judged on your play alone.

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Thanks for modding Dany.

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But normals have to follow certain guidelines. If you would have tried to argue bulletproof traitor (had I actually known he was a traitor) I would have come back with it's a role never seen before in a mini normal which means it's very unlikely.

Just like when you tried to say scum neighborizer is about even. I was able to discredit you by proving in normals it isn't very common. It seems to be more common now since I've now seen 2 since my return, but overall it isn't.

You can't use what you see in non normal games and think they apply to normal games. If I were town you'd never be able to convince me that a bp traitor was a possibility.

I wouldn't have listened to you if you said it isn't a role in normal. And after the flip it would have only harmed you, so a lot of ifs and buts. I know what can be in normal and I know that BP traitor is more likely than BP town with this setup.
Traitor was 100% with the Love role too.

You didn't discredit me at all with the neighbour argument. My point was that it was NAI. And that was a fact which I stood by. Again, this favours me to knowing setup spec better than you. If I said you were scum for it (I never once did) then yes, your argument would have stood.

If you can't be convinced that roles are most likely, then you won't grow as a player imo. If you're saying as town you would refuse to see BP traitor, then you won't win games as town in normal, let alone outside of normal. Then again, I suspect that as town you would think that BBT was SK, not a vig... BBT was never going to be SK and that should have been a dropped conversation when I said so yesterday.