Mini 1926: Game Of Thrones S1E3 (Game over-Mafia WINS!!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm gonna try to be in this game.

Who are we wagoning?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Wisdom

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VOTE: gerryoat

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Howcome we haven't had an L-1/claim yet?

I'm gonna have to put some effort in, aren't I? Y'all are gonna make me do it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Any particular reason why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

any reason you would want to place a player at l-1 for virtually no reason

What makes you think it's for vritually no reason?

There are a multitude of pro-town reasons for getting an early L-1 and claim in the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Woot, woot! So excited that this game has started.

VOTE: BBMole

Is this an alt account? Also, do you enjoy playing as scum?

Can we move past the bullshit stage, my vote is serious. Wagon shadow.

Why?

actually this seems very townie...lets see it leads. I like the idea of scum hunting as soon as we can

What seems townie about it?

VOTE: gerryoat
didnt like post about molla

Why not? I have some thoughts on this but want to hear what you say first.

gerry's vote was weird, and I'm not opposed to voting there. I don't understand the reason to make a comment in 47 without actually voting, and then voting an hour and a half later with no other interaction.
VOTE: gerryoat

Weird = scum? Because if not (and it doesn't) I don't get your vote?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuzzy might be pinging me the wrong way.

Talk to me about this.

tfl wisdom vecna and shadow seem townie

What seems townie about any of them? They haven't done a whole lot.

BBT

- Are you actually scum reading gerry, or just pushing for a claim?

I was pushing for a claim.

Didn't that use to be site meta? To rush an L-1 and get an early claim? I don't understand why the concept seems so foreign to everyone.

People have forgotten how to play and have become scared of early claims like it somehow hurts towns chances of winning a game.

I didn't like Rando's Unvote on Gerry. Sure, Gerry was L-2, but why Unvote instead of using your vote elsewhere? I'm going to be using the ol' Third Degree Boon on Rando.

I like Fuzzy for town. He's made a few posts that I've liked. Last time he was scum I had a weird feeling about him the entirety of my lifespan in that game.

Why do you think RM is more likely to be scum just because he didn't reuse his vote? Doesn't make sense.

What made your Fuzzy read change?

Any particular reason why?

Gerry, you missed this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Boon, never change <3

I wish I had something helpful to offer, but like, 8 pages.

Good luck town!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll try and get to this game tonight - Boon doesn't feel good to me atm though from a quick read through.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't believe Gerry ever responded to my post either.

Having this many separate wagons is pointless - need to start consolidating and moving in the same direction.

VOTE: Gerry

This looks like a great place to start.

Also, I am aware you claimed Boon and it is exactly that which I didn't like. When you hammered me yesterday my first thought was that you must be a town PR and you did that because you knew you had a way to defend yourself D2 if you came under pressure for the hammer. But you didn't come under pressure and you just claimed straight out the gate with one of those vague claims that scum love to make to buy themselves a couple of days.

Given that you also said you haven't done the whole quick-hammering thing in a while, I think scum!Boon would jump at the opportunity to take me out of the game which is what you tried to do yesterday.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because scum!Gerry finds it more difficult to be fluid/reevaluate situations and finds it much easier to stick with one vote and a rigid playstyle to avoid causing any unwanted attention.

Scum always think consistency looks towny. Gerry is trying too hard to look consistent whilst not doing a whole lot else.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And what you are forgetting is that I don't care one iota for meta.

Especially when it's not even my own.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RM, do you think Gerry is town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He is null - do you think forming a wagon on him might help you to develop the read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, this is your first game with me, right? so how come you say you know how I like to play as scum.

I'm speaking in general terms - it wasn't about how you specifically play as scum. More just about how scum play in general.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

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Not with the people voting him

What is wrong with the wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How many scum do you think are in the game? You're not making much sense.

Elaborate in the wagon for me please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is there a reason you're not voting?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RM acting like he has 2/3 of the game solved and doing nothing about it sure is weird.

I'm not sure what to make of it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I could lynch Shadow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Shadow

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RM, you should probably vote then.

How about this Shadow wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Every time Gerry posts it makes me want to vote him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wait what?

You said 2 out of the 3 people voting Gerry were scum and now you're voting someone who wasn't even on the wagon? Why would you do that? From your POV, if you voted/lynched from the Gerry wagon you had a y6% chance of hitting scum.

VOTE: Random

Can we please lynch this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, if Random flips scum it's very likely that Gerry is also scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2 people posted.

0 votes for Random.

That makes me sad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nothing for me Random?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, this game is a strange one. There don't seem to be many talking points.

I'm trying to create some around Random but nobody seems interested in what I have to say

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I find it scummy how you were acting like the Gerry wagon was full of scum and you had found 2/3 scum (thus using this as reasoning not to join the Gerry wagon despite having no read) and then when it comes to voting/pressuring someone you don't even use what would surely be a high % play for you in netting scum. Like you just completely disregarded the reads as if you hadn't said anything.

It looks like there is no logical connection between what you're saying and what you're actually doing and I don't like it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't like Boon's original claim when I first read through but I don't think lynching him today is the play.

He said he can prove his claim - that buys him 1 Day in my book.

Now vote Random please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because you're avoiding a wagon with no solid reasoning.

Because you're acting like the game is 2/3 solved and then doing NOTHING to follow up on that.

Because you're not following up on reads and I don't see any game-solving from you. Just throwing out random statements.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we please lynch Random?

Why is nobody voting him yet?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Everyone should vote one of me, molla and gerry or make a case on why to vote someone else asap

Yeah. This.

P.S - Choose Random.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Someone needs to talk to me about the Molla wagon.

Vecna's vote looks awful.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What changed about the Molla wagon?

I'm not sure what else I can say about Random than what I've already previously stated. Is there anything you agree/disagree with?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Explain why I'm scum again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For the people not voting Random - can you tell me why?

Nobody seems sure on anything and we have 4 days left. I'm telling you that Random is scum. Vote him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Boon, there is plenty going on and you're not commenting on any of it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Am guessing no-one is gonna question Random's scummy ass vote?

Nah, we gonna let that shit slide.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yay!

Let's go!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gerry, you should join the opposing wagon to your own.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

why? just cause he has votes and im town doesnt automatically mean he's mafia. why do you think hes maf?

Self-preservation. Unless you can claim to know that Random is just as town as you claim yourself to be?

If you don't know why I think he is scum, I can only assume you haven't been reading.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is there anything in my reasoning you disagree with?

Is there a better lynchee that you can present?

I'm all ears.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We should absolutely be lynching Random.

I wanted to lynch Shadow as well so I'm not sure how I feel about Random joining that wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's tempting.

But I still really want to lynch you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pressure? He had 3 votes...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, not much is happening this game at all. People are just sitting around doing fuck all. It's an easy game for scum this and it's dumb how bad this game has been from the get go.

Can't get any serious wagons forming and then everyone will scramble around at deadline.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That was my first thought but I'm not sure why Random would choose that wagon of all wagons to join.

Doesn't really make sense as a bus I don't think.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, if Random flips scum it's very likely that Gerry is also scum.

Been saying it for a while.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gerry being scum is kind of based on Random being scum though, so it seems silly to lynch Gerry first?

Lynch Random and then we can lynch Gerry.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shadow saying that I'm tunneling is really funny.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Which posts of Random's do you see as scummy Shadow?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's 100% NAI. I do it as town and I do it as scum.

And Shadow knows this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's now two people who have claimed roles that they can confrm.

I can't be the only skeptical person? Claims are buying scummy as players time and I don't like it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That went better than I ever expected given how the day ended.

I'm gonna need to go over Shadow/Vedith posts and see what I find.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gerry is town from Shadow's posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Which means we have a nice wagon from early game to look at.

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Vote Count 1-4

(as of Post 75)

gerryoat(5)

- bombcat, randomidget, shaddowez, BlueBloodedToffee, Vecna

Vecna (2)

- Assemblerotws, bombcat

BBMolla (2)

- Gratiae, gerryoat

shaddowez (1)

- Wisdom

Boonskiies (1)

- Vedith

Vedith (1)

- Boonskiies

BlueBloodedToffee (1)

- BBMolla

Not Voting (1)

- TheFuzzyLogic

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, July28, 2017 11am CST ((expired on 2017-07-28 11:00:00))

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

None

V/LAs:

shaddowez is on V/LA until Monday

On phone so can't be bothered editing.

Will analyse this later tonight when I'm on laptop.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Random could still be scum but I don't feel as good about that after his vote on Shadow and the subsequent flip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're crazy if you think I'm ever getting lynched in this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bombcat's gerry vote is absolutely awful.

It's almost bad enough to make me think there is no way it could come from scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really want to vote Random but why the hell would he join Shadow's wagon so early if he was scum? That's literally the only thing stopping me from voting him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Bombcat

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Last scum was 100% not on my wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You got me!

But let's lynch Bombcat first just incase I'm town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

in what world does a mafia vote twice

In what world does a double voter = town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Same world in which all scum can't be on the same wagon...

You understand how unlikely it is that all scum will be on that wagon, right? There would be no need for all 3 scum to risk being caught on a wagon that could potentially lead to lynch, or even just draw a whole lot of unwanted attention, super early in the game.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that Shadow had the audacity to L-1 me with a buddy already on my wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I guess I'll hammer Gratie if he reaches L-1

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd rather lynch Bombcat.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Gratie

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Interesting.

Anything to say Gratie?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul is town and is for sure not the play today.

Random is probably scum. There has to be scum on the Shadow wagon and I really don't see Assemble being a scum-governor.

I guess Vecna could be scum but it's highly unlikely given he claimed he redirected Vedith and no-one else countered it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Random

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Im a 1shot vig. Give me tonight and ill shoot.

Bullshit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Im not rly defending myself this game for a reason

Like, really? You thought a 1-shot vig would completely save you from any pressure? Get the fuck outta here.

I'm even happier lynching Random Today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

While we're all claiming, I'm a 2-shot roleblocker.

I didn't block anyone on N1 because lol, it was an 8 page D1 or whatever it was and it would more than likely have worked against town than for it had I used it randomly.

On the following two nights, I blocked Random both times.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I wouldn't lie about my claim.

And I didn't even think about that haha.

UNVOTE: [/uv]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That leaves TFL or Assemble for me and neither make sense as scum? Like, TFL's claim is batshit crazy if he is scum and that claim doesn't do a whole lot for him either.

And I still don't see Scum!Assemble stopping a D1 quicklynch like that, would be an absolute waste.

Consider me completely confused and unable to comprehend what is going on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Tbh, I'm useless now anyway as I have no shots left and have no idea what is going on.

So, you can lynch me today and then try to work out what is going on in this game Tomorrow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hahahaha, I fucked up.

I didn't submit an action last night. I asked the Mod a question regarding my role and the set-up and was waiting for their response before submitting my choice. By the time I had got their response, I completely forgot that I hadn't submitted an action and left it at that.

I'm such a dumbass. Should have checked my messages before saying what I did xD

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Random

Back to this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your claim isn't provable at all Random.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul, why did you investigate Gerry N3?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How on earth did you still think Gerry was scum after Shadow's flip?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lynching TFL seems absolutely awful? Like, that claim never, ever comes from scum.

Persivul has more chance of being scum than TFL.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You might be right actually.

UNVOTE:

Am I the only one skeptical of Persivul's claim?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, if I'm cop after that D1 (which was Molla before Persivul replaced in) I'd investigate either Assemble or myself after what happened. I find it hard to believe that Molla did neither.

I also find it 'convenient' that Persivul checks out Gerry on the night he dies - as if Gerry was anything other than town after Shadow's flip.

It gives him a solid, but unverifiable claim, that could see him to end game but it all just seems too convenient.

Or am I just being paranoid?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think it's meant as negative utility more than anything else.

From what I can tell, town have a lot of power in this game. I'm guessing I was meant to counteract our cop/tracker/redirector/vig etc.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oops?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I hope you're not comparing roleblocking to investigating because that would be pretty funny.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Any reason why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you serious?

You can't see how that looks massively suspect to me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That was mainly based on VCA. I couldn't see all 3 scum being on my wagon - but you were the first one on it. I don't think you could have hopped off, especially after Shadow putting me to L-1, without looking suspect.

PEdit - Investigating Gerry last night is was made me start to question your claim. Gerry was obv town after Shadow flipped.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Vecna is redirector but I'm not sure if he would have changed the kill. Gerry would 100% have been my choice of kill if I were scum.

You responded to it but that didn't explain why you would target Gerry. It just makes 0 sense to me

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gerry is town from Shadow's posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul, tell me how you thought Gerry could be scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

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gerry's vote was weird, and I'm not opposed to voting there. I don't understand the reason to make a comment in 47 without actually voting, and then voting an hour and a half later with no other interaction.
VOTE: gerryoat

No reason to push Gerry here if he was his buddy.

Vedith

, what's your reasoning against voting Gerry?

Trying to get his buddy to vote their team member? Highly unlikely.

I'm willing to see where this goes.

VOTE: gerryoat

His play and fuzzy's are pretty similar IMO - Neither of them are making hard stances on any reads and a lot of their posts are fluff. The biggest difference is that gerry has actually voted for people. I liked 253 when I first read it, but going through again it seems to lack any conviction. Add to that the fact his initial reason for voting BBT was terrible, and I'd rather vote this than fuzzy right now.

Has choice of voting Gerry or Fuzzy - chooses his buddy Gerry? Again, highly unlikely.

Shadow only had 17 posts and these 3 posts completely ruled out Gerry being a possible buddy. Like, that was super obvious.

Now, in what world did you think Gerry could be scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow Persivul.

720 makes me want to vote you so bad. That doesn't fit into the game at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bombcat is pretty much non existent in this game and couldn't push a wagon if he was mod confirmed inno child. He is by far the easiest person for you to 'clear' if you're scum.

Gerry didn't have to be a scum read for you. But investigating someone who I feel was so obviously town just makes no sense at all and just looks too convenient.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

720 makes me want to vote you so bad. That doesn't fit into the game at all.

So vote me.

Does Ned Stark - who couldn't prevent his own death - being a redirector fit into the game?

No, but nobody else has an explanation for the Vedith death. So that can't really be argued.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Persivul

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you have anything to contribute to the game?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK...so both Assemble and TFL post in the game and say absolutely nothing about what is going on?

This is just excellent.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Where is everyone?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We're lynching you.

Silly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul's claim is absolute bullshit and he needs to eat rope for it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like those votes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There is no need to unvote.

We have time to discuss yeah, but it doesn't look like there is much discussion happening.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There is nothing I can really say about my role other than I would 100% not claim roleblocker as scum because roleblockers are scum like 80-90% of the time and it would be a dumb move to make.

I'm town and I was obviously supposed to act as a negative utility to balance the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I used it because I felt confident that Random was scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Intent to hammer Fuzzy. Get ya last words in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vecna, I'm town. Do not lynch me.

Scum is in Persivul/Random.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

People are scum reading me based on my role which is dumb as shit.

Both scum tried to flash wagon me on Day 1 with Shadow putting me to L-1 and Shadow just tried to push me the entire time he was alive. How does that make sense if I'm scum?

One of Persivul/Random is lying - probably Persivul because his 'results' are just too damn convenient. But hey, I guess that won't be my problem soon enough

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm saying I made a mistake - I just looked at my messages and assumed I had blocked him twice when I saw that I had sent two messages. There really isn't much more I can say on that other than it was a stupid mistake.

If it gets me lynched, it's a lesson learnt to read messages before claiming actions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul is more likely to be scum out of the two IMO. His claim just doesn't sit right with me at all

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Soooo

We lynching Persivul or not? This game is stalling. Trust in BBT and lynch Persivul for the win!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

One more vote please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If anything, based on Today's play so far, that post is even more relevant.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meta schmeta. I really don't care for it - especially when the person bringing it up is trying to defend themselves with it.

The other question is this - why would you investigate someone who is a double voter whose double vote works in LyLo? Like, how can that be scum and how do you place priority on that being your top investigation? Both of your investigative choices make no sense to me at all and I still can't believe Molla didn't investigate somebody from that D1 flash wagon.

All of it doesn't add up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really need to get into VCA in this game as well, just incase I'm missing something.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You trying to paint the picture that scum don't bus is hilarious.

Everyone knows when you lynch scum you look ON the scum wagon - not off it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Assemble, why are you voting Random?

Imagine if Assemble was scum. Would be hilarious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum more often bus than not - it's incredibly rare to find all scum off of a scum lynch. Scum are sensitive to their buddies posting - which usually means they 'scum-read' them a lot more readily because they already know their alignment.

Because of this, they end up on the wagon to try and gain town cred for being on a scum lynch. Its fairly basic stuff tbh.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I apologise if that doesn't make as much sense as I wanted it to - I'm a little drunk.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It is?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2 days left guys, can we get a move on and lynch Persivul please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Take your time guys - we still got a whole day.

Seriously, why haven't we lynchef Persivul?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Speculating about what happens overnight doesn't seem to have any pros so that discussion should just be stopped.

Persivul, you keep saying there was no motivation for it and yet I showed that there was.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum would be motivated to clear someone who is very unlikely to cause any waves and cause no problems.

Don't forget the worst part of your claim either - that you investigated Gerry on the night he died. That was hilarious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1 more vote for Persivul please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scum are never killing Persivul/Random. That would be insane.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, weird.

What's the plan Vecna?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He must have redirected to Persivul?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Same person?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I roleblocked Persivul.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Persivul was my top scum read. Why would I not try to stop him killing someone?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't think that's a mistake at all? It doesn't matter too much anyway because I can't live until LyLo in this game anyway.

Just make sure that Random is next.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I still don't see Assemble being scum.

Can't see scum using that power on D1

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Killing somebody who I was pushing to lynch makes 0 sense

What are you talking about? I basically took away a potential mislynch for myself as scum? Please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Random

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nobody was pushing a Persivul lynch as hard as I was.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, well hopefully we got this wrapped up now. After such a great start we really shouldn't have been in this position in the first place.

Mods, come do your thing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There won't be a tomorrow. We got this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If both Random and Persivul were town then we don't even deserve to win this game tbh.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Like, in what world are they both town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, you can try and blame me all you want but nobody has had a stellar game here.

People saying I have shit reads or I've been scummy af all game (this one has SOME truth to it) can fuck right off - I won't take all the blame for town performing so badly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm Lady Catelyn Stark

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's not though, is it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Assemble

Want my vote on scum when game ends. Absolutely unbelievable game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Any reason behind why Catelyn makes the most sense as scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

In b4 Vecna is scum and some crazy shit happened.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, you said Catelyn makes the most sense as a fake claim. Why?

I'm also 100% not lying about my role. If I needed to come up with a fakeclaim, I would not have claimed a role that is more often than not a scum role. Let's not get silly here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, Catelyn and Tyrion make complete sense in this game based on Catelyn's capture of Tyrion.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow, I was not expecting that at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I had a slight meltdown in mafia thread about how impossible this game was for me to win haha.

When the game ended so quickly I felt for sure that Vecna had just snap hammered me