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[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah. So it's Mulch and WhyMafia then. VOTE: WhyMafia

Please avoid multiposts this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think WhyMafia will never be confirmable as town, but always will be most definitely a possible scum since Miller is a safe scum claim. This is the perfect D1 lynch.

My prediction is that this push will be seen as scummy by our scumlords and that today's discussion will revolve around WhyMafia, Me, and whoever Robbnva fixates on, and tomorrow will be about WhyMafia's wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's so townie with a logic that you think is strange and tinfoily?

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's your meta-analysis on him from what games, Mulch? Even if scum don't know if there are millers in the game, this can be a scum gambit that has been premeditated. I don't get a town-angle where you would trust that immediately. So you don't think a lynch of WhyMafia is beneficial?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah. It's because the team is WhyMafia, Mulch, and someone who's gonna bus WhyMafia upon entrance.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.

Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.

[quote=Thor665]You mean like you did?[/quote]
SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

EDIT by post.

Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today or next week, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him until before deadline. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.

Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.

You mean like you did?

SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ayy that game isn't over???

This will never be the push the scum will go. It's just too beneficial for their purpose to keep him alive. There's more scum motivation to defend him for towncred and pocketing purpose than to lynch him. If you don't agree with that, you're scumclaiming.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Your links didn't make sense and I'm still not convinced of that meta analysis. Present it better.

[humaneatingmonkey]

1. Those two are just links (one of them are even on-going) with no decisive suggestion that your meta-analysis of him is definite.
2. Can't see a town angle where it's easy it is for you to be convinced of him as someone who doesn't use gambits. Gambits are supposed to be occasional after all.

Finally

3. Meta is garbage anyway.

This Miller is scum or it's a scum-helping role, regardless of alignment. We should lynch it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This one's on-going tho?

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72829

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meta is garbage! Playstyles switch, people can claim that something is someone's meta, and new players with no experience to that someone will not gather accurate results—but will likely get conf-biased opinions because there's already a suggestion. Anyway, let's not turn this into a discussion of meta. Build that wagon now—Respond to my posts if you do not want to vote WhyMafia.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meta is unreliable. Instead, let's do what's logical for this game and what we think is true. I don't believe in the Miller claim, and I'm inclined to believe that it's beneficial for town to lynch WhyMafia even if the claim rings true.

Only scum benefits from tunnel vision and only scum benefits from lynching a town player.

The assumption that this is a tunnel vision is wrong. This is a calculated vote that I'm willing to vote while looking around the wagon.

On that subject, scum benefits strongly from lynching the miller d1, and defending that slot for 'pocketing' and 'town cred' is literally villa siding play.

I don't agree with any of this. Scum benefits strongly from retaining the miller D1 because it will throw off investigative roles and will cast a reasonable doubt to WhyMafia's slot, if town. Instead, I expect the mafia to turn on WhyMafia near LyLo or at LyLo. But everything about it will be WIFOM then. If we lynch WhyMafia now, we gain information plus we can discuss whatevs it is that happened around his lynch. This is the best way to win this.

And then I'm confused by the second part. It seems weird considering the first part. It's like he wants to push me, be wants to seem flexible for town cred. Then same with the thing with the invest. I claimed so it doesn't throw off the invest. How will it throw it off? Seems like a lazy way to justify a lynch. Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.

Not flexible. Will almost always try to lynch you today.

It will throw off the invest because he will not benefit from an unconfirmable slot that has not flipped yet—but the scum will.

Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.

Because you'll be a black hole with all the reasonable shade you have around you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Aaaand I'm leaving now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hard yes or hard no, or resolve your doubts with a discussion.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's stop being mean.

Raise of hands: Who thinks WhyMafia is town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Havo

[humaneatingmonkey]

Chip Butty - Tornaga - Havo scumteam?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I still think a WhyMafia lynch will happen sooner or later. But it should be happening now. Yes, for the same reasons. I get why you guys don't want to lynch WhyMaf—fine. I think it's best to have him interact with others and scumhunt first. I disagree that it's not likely for him to be mafia just because of the Miller claim. So moving forward, I'm gonna base my vote to the ruckus that has been happening. But before that, question and answers:

BlueBloodedToffee
Do you want me at L-1 because you think I'm scum? Why?

WhyMafia
I want an L-2 wagon on you because I want you to become the center of discussion. Deadline will not scramble because we are not dividing our attention to multiple candidates. Your wagon will be the source of wagon analysis. Your scumread on me is heavy on assumptions, and I can only see that it's a natural OMGUS reaction to my aggressive push. Or do you disagree?

Havo
Who do you think is scum at this point, then?
Can't give you a number from 1- 10 as that's bullshitting. I can just say that you're who I want to lynch now.

Fykus
Why are you sussing on rob and I?

MariaR
Who do you think is scum at this point?

Skitter
#111
"@HEM: Do you think WM is scum? Or are you pushing a policy lynch on him? Similarly, do you actually want to lynch him today?"
Not overwhelmingly. It's a policy lynch, technically. I want him out so we don't have to deal with the slot later, and then analyze based on what happened to the slot later. I think it's because scum would advocate for his survival to the point of LYLO, where it would be too late.

Chip Butty

Toranaga
Do you think people with the same reads as you do is town?

Right now, even without looking at his other horrible posts, #116 and #118 is basically screaming scum for Havo. But I'm not really into the game yet now so I'll probably get back at this with a longer post.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No multiposts. Let's not turn this to a game I will never enjoy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. I'm gonna catch up now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So why didn't you fully believe WM's claim earlier?

Don't mind me, I'm actively avoiding to engage the thread right now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You were flip-floppy about it tho, and that's what pinged me the most. You looked like as if you wanted to open an opportunity to jump on that wagon if it forms, but you also don't want to be obvious. Even when you said that he could be town, you said "for now." That's how I read your post about it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Havo's claim could be town. Not much can be said about his performance so far tho. In my experience as a PR, I claimed prematurely under pressure—but that's because there were only 12 hours before deadline. I don't have much experience but I think the motivation for an obvious soft-claim should be the one in scrutiny here. Is that scum or is that town? I can't trust my judgment right now but I think it's town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No. You're not playing this game where people can see you as town. That's your real problem.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Apology accepted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Explain what a loyal town cop does.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah. But Chippy, try googling "Loyal Town Cop MafiaScum" yourself. You will not reach a specific conclusion. At any case, Havo could explain his role clearly since he would have gotten a PM.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't reveal the plot twist, WhyMafia.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Havo
Outing yourself as a Loyal Town Cop (not just a Cop, with full prefix and modifiers), but refusing to tell us what's the specifics for your role? Ah.

If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think I just hammered you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Or was it Mulch? Yeah you're hammered.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't reveal the fucking plot twists.

[humaneatingmonkey]

We have to wait til tomorrow when hes inevitably not nightkilled and gives us a guilty result on someone that may not be a guilty cause scum might have a rb or jk

I like this. This is how we'll play it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider."

@Havo

[humaneatingmonkey]

You really haven't done all you can do. For starters, explain your role and why Loyal Town Cop mixes well with Miller lmao.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So how would that mix well with a Miller? You claimed that it explains the Miller role and that you think it points to the conclusion that he's town. How could it be?

I'll sort Sergtacos later when I'm done figuring out what to do with Havo. For now, it's enough that if Havo is scum—Mulch is town, WhyMafia is probably town. We should lynch in this fashion:

D2:
Havo alive ---> Havo reveals investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips cop, we base our lynch for who to vote next based on information and analysis.
Havo alive ---> Havo "reveals" investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips scum, Mulch is town, WhyMafia is town. We analyze who to vote for next.
Havo dead, Havo flips cop ---> We analyze who to vote for next.

So scum has extra incentive to kill Havo if he's cop because we're likely to confirm and narrow down then.

Oh and I've seen town players concede that longer days = scum advantage, so Mulch might be wrong to suggest that 48 hours in the game, it's not a scum-claim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Town players do anti-shit all the time. Right, Sergtacos?

[humaneatingmonkey]

*anti-town shit. Sorry multipost.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is that an aura of toxicity and hostility I'm sensing in this game? It sorta feels like it's an aura of toxicity and hostility I'm sensing in this game.

Let's stop the toxicity and hostility.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"He hardclaimed already and so far no one has counterclaimed."

Sergtacos, sometimes dissent is a form of soft counterclaim. Sometimes. I'm not hinting that it's happening right now.

"Yeah, and here's the problem.

They should be lynched everytime and eventually they'll stop doing Anti-town shit."

Hmmm... no. You should not lynch people you think is anti-town. You should lynch people you think is scum. You pushing for Mulch is an LHF attack with no actual efforts to gamesolve. And I'm not seeing gamesolving too on your part even if there's been 17 pages worth of content here. The hours don't count, it's the content that has been dished. I think it's enough for you to actually gamesolve on your part.

You have one day to play as town. Make use.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't you think that if the Miller is part of your "faction" (alignment. it's weird that the word faction would be used here.), you'll still get regular results regardless? It's a Miller. Now do you see why your claim does not make sense?

"Not all the time but yeah xD lmao our newbie game. jesus christ that game was fucking awful."
Not really. It wasn't awful. You just got played, boi.

"I'll start game solving in 3 days,


You don't get to tell me how to play, you are Mulch either one."
Really? You'll start gamesolving in 3 days when there's sure to be 30 pages more of this thread based on how we're going about it in 48 hours? So isn't sharing information to the town an anti-town action then? I'm not telling you how to play. However, there's a mandate on how to play as town and you're not doing a good job at it. The fact that you're calling for a Mulch lynch for anti-town action is frankly hilarious when you're terribly anti-town (and most probably scum) yourself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Havo is a lost cause and let's not clutter the thread when he's so easy to sort D2. Tonight, I'll sort Sergtacos and Mulch and anyone else I can scoop and vote someone else.

"Learn how to use quotes FFS."

Ah. Don't tell me how to play this game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Serg, read into Havo's claim and think real hard. Does it make sense? Inherently—as in setup speculation. Tell me what you think about that. Next, is he consistent with what he sees as scummy and his behavior? Tell me what you think about that, too. Next, do you think it makes more sense that Mulch is scum vs any other players in this thread? If Mulch is the lesser option, then why are you not picking that person? Tell me what you think about that, too. Me? I suggest you follow my strategy on how to sort Havo. Find someone else to look at. I don't think Mulch is logically scummy if he's pushing for CopHavo's lynch this openly. If you believe Havo's claim, the job is done for scum. They flipped a PR role. The scum you're looking for is likely outside of Havo's wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch, don't tunnel Havo. We've obviously got the scum content from him. I think that it's safer to sort him at D2. Go prod someone else. I'm reading the thread right now and I'm curious to what Blue has to say about everything so far.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It really doesn't make sense. The answer is we caught scum. However, to be safe, we will solve him on D2. I already posted my strategy on this.

Now don't obsess over it. Move on.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch, are you just voting Sergtacos to get him off your wagon? Or do you think he's scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Serg ISO me and answer my question please.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was drinking a tall glass of water when i saw#543 and #544. my laptop survived, but it was hard to wipe the water out of the screen.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch, do a metaread on him first before committing to that decision.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes. And also in the game, I was in with him when he was town and I was scum. If you can't follow his logic, it's NAI.

Meta is garbage, anyway. In as much as it's unreliable. You don't conclude just because of meta. But it's still important information.

"I will let other people see for themselves who comes out looking better." - Mulch

^^Scummy. Every time I hear this, it's always scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch, just trust me then because I'm too lazy to search my past and ongoing games for similar quotes. But every time someone "leaves it to the crowd who's scummy and who isn't" after a multi-page tunnel-argument, it's from scum.

Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.

Also, I played enough where meta has proven to be garbage. So leave me alone in that department.

Also, in real life, when I lie, I tend to be specific too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't buy it. Too variable-y. This is a normal game. Let's just solve it on D2.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Havo flips scum, Toranaga will probably flip scum too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fykus... What do you think? Do you think Sergtacos finally hit scum this time? Tried looking through his games—no instance where he's scum. He's a risky lynch. Plus, the fact that I don't scumread Robbnva.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm seeing you Thor I'm just a lazy person. I'll get back to you plus my Sergtacos read later

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't believe that's how the mind of someone getting a town PM works. VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Before Thor loses his shit, I just got off work and I need to sleep first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Here's a bit of a prodge: I'm seeing a lack of answers from Sergtacos on my questions. They're legit questions and not just fluff posts. Go answer them, Serg. ISO me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Prodge content:

I don't like MariaR's voting pattern.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm really sorry for my disengagement. I'm gonna come back to regular gaming soon. I'm just in deep with two projects.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Who's defending MariaR right now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

OI I FORGOT I HAVE A PROD HERE.

AM I STILL IN THIS GAME?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll just do a quick read of all ISOs and just -wing it-.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VC 1.18

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Lynching

MariaR

(7): Chip Butty, Mulch, Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee, Misère, skitter30, Fykus

(LYNCH)

BlueBloodedToffee

(2): humaneatingmonkey, Fykus

Fykus

(2): Toranaga, Sergtacos

skitter30

(1): WhyMafia

Chip Butty

(1): Havo

Misère

(1): MariaR

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

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Mod Notes

: Keep it fun.

So sorry for the mistake. I did not see the vote and the automatic vote counter is not working. I honestly hate doing VCs by hand and I'm hoping we get a better system soon.

I lied. I did a VCA. Wild guess is that there's at least one scum outside of MariaR's wagon. So excluding Havo, MariaR, and WhyMafia whose Miller role is basically confirmed by Havo's role modification—it's between Tornaga and Sergtacos.

Now I just need to know what was the reason for Fykus' hammer. If it's not good enough, it's scum-hammer. I don't think Virtuoso being confused with votecount is enough reason for a town not to be held back to join a L-something wagon.

Explain the case on mariar for me

VOTE: mariar

That wasnt a very townie response to her wagon

L-1

You watchin dragon ball or playin? Im watchin hunter x hunter atm. Pre cool

Also before your flip post your reads for us plz

Ah. RIP Fykus. I don't think this is the posting pattern of a town accidentally hammering a townie. I do think that the "pls post your reads for us plz" is LAMIST when he didn't even touch upon the subject after the day.

VOTE: Fykus

On the subject of Tornaga and Sergtacos:

Sergtacos - Too many WIFOM theories that really doesn't mean anything to anyone BUT means something to him. This is important. He's scumhunting. He's trying to gamesolve. Sergtacos is town.

I don't know how to read Tornaga and I'm not gonna pretend that I do. If I have to guess by elimination, he's scum. It will sort itself out. Instead, I'll just lynch Fykus today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm guessing I probably left some threads loose when I went inactive. If I have anything pending with you guys, just put it in one giant post and I'll answer them.

Hoping to clear myself as town so that I'm out of everybody's lynch pool. Lynch me only when you're choosing between claimed power roles and you think I'm scummy enough. I think I can take it. I don't know if the game will, though.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't lynch me in LYLO, obviously. The earlier, the better.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't think about it. Scum's had a night 1. Everything can be planned from now on.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, I'm guessing they are betting on the fact that there are no more investigative roles meaning bussing as a winning strategy isn't too much of a crazy idea. If you think this is too WIFOM, that only solidifies my point to don't think about it. It's not like we have a meta on Toranaga that he never busses.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Did he say he wasn't PR? I missed that. I missed most of the discussion.

[humaneatingmonkey]

He could just have real life on the way I can entertain the idea that he's busy IRL. What's important is his post quality. I'm gonna check him out later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what jargon talk is that (balance-of-probability) and can you please explain your reads on Thor and Mulch also can you tell me what are the cases against you being scum

why would he calling you out for flip-floppity actions not someone a PR who wants to remain in the shadows would do? just challenging your thoughts on it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh. Oh right I was reminded of that whole D1 "I'll lynch the first wagon" thing. Yeah that's funky.

[humaneatingmonkey]

whose Miller role is basically confirmed by Havo's role modification

Weren't you the one saying day 1 that they didn't neccecarily have to go together?


What's your reaction to having one of your top scumreads nightkilled?

Havo was on my "watchlist" as in I was expecting him to get killed on night if he was telling the truth. I detailed the strategy on how I'll handle it. I was arguing with Havo to tell him how his claim doesn't make him clear for me because it had shaky grounds. That was on D1 preflip. I told everyone to leave Havo alone until D2 if he's not nightkilled. But now that he has flipped Cop, it does make sense the the Miller role makes sense with his role. WhyMafia as scum wouldn't have predicted that this setup had something that can even remotely validate a Miller claim.

What's your read on Fykus

[humaneatingmonkey]

WhyMafia as scum wouldn't have predicted that this setup had something that can even remotely validate a Miller claim.

I've seen loyal cops without millers, dude

If you're leading me to a belief that WhyMafia is scum and that he claimed Miller blindly, I will disagree with you and question your motives for it. Especially when you were a staunch supporter back when he claimed.

What's your read on Fykus

I think null. He hasn't really...posted anything.

....

On the other hand...Miseré has actually done scummy stuff so *shrug*

You call Fykus as someone who

hasn't really posted anything

null

when Misere—whose five out of

ten posts

gives off a town vibe—scum. Are you vote parking on the inactive so you look like you're scumhunting when in fact you're not scumhunting at all?

*shrug*

[humaneatingmonkey]

VC 1.03

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Lynching

humaneatingmonkey

(5): WhyMafia, Thor665, Mulch, BlueBloodedToffee, fykus

L-2

Havo

(3): Misère, Toranaga, humaneatingmonkey

WhyMafia

(1): skitter30

MariaR

(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting

(3): Havo, MariaR, Creative

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
skitter30 is the new Robbnav. Please welcome her.

VC 1.04

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Lynching

Havo

(5): Misère, Toranaga, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty

L-2

humaneatingmonkey

(4): Thor665, Mulch, BlueBloodedToffee, fykus

WhyMafia

(1): skitter30

Not Voting

(3): Havo, MariaR, Creative

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Seeking replacement for Creative

there wasn't even any fucking case against him, it was just lack of reads super early in the game. total bullshit pressure and I'd be hard scumreading both of you if I knew you enough to respect your games.

LOL. 'No fucking case against him, total bullshit pressure'. But who do we see on Havo's wagon all the way to L - 1? Oh look! It's Toranaga!

Does that look as bad to everybody as it does to me?

Isn't that a good catch. That recent inconsistency is scummy way off the marks.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because I'm much more convinced of a Fykus lynch. Of course, he tried to form a counterwagon to suck votes from me. Why are you painting like that's a new discovery? He was

claiming

it. Read back when he started a wagon because someone wanted to lynch me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch is right. Not a scumslip. But a caught lie. I still want to see how Tornaga spins it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Read back again when I said Tornaga might be scum because he is pocketing me. Back when that happened too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And one expects a certain amount of buddying up to someone so that he can associate with that someone instead of his scum buddy. You're not really thinking straight here. If you want to scumread me, scumread me for my actions. You're just alienating me from working with you on the Tornaga wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is why reads by association when there's no meta or flips backing it sucks. I can always spin something so that you guys are associated. Like now—OOOH CHIP BUTTY CAN BE TORANAGA'S PARTNER. HE'S BUSSING HIM AND ASSOCIATING ME WITH HIM SO THAT HE CAN SET UP LYNCHES THAT WILL EARN A WIN FOR HIS TEAM. See what I mean here? If you want to read me, read me as I am.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Right now, Toranaga is pending on how he deals with that lie. Because it looks like he's making up reasons to push against someone and the process is not organic. Certainly scummy, but that's less scummy than what I saw Fykus do around the MariaR lynch. So I'm doing a Fykus lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So? Told you not to think about it. Who do you think will flip scum? Fykus or Toranaga? If you think Fykus, go for Fykus. If you think Toranaga, go for Toranaga. If you think both, then just choose the majority.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Another one's how he acted when MariaR was screaming town after the hammer. That wasn't the reaction of a town accidentally hammering town. Also the fact that he was LAMIST-ly asking for MariaR's read when he didn't use that information. It looks as if he just wanted to say that to look as town as possible after hammering. Then with how he's handling the heat on him. That's not a townie pushing back.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lmao why are you always ready to jump and use every minute thing to call me scum? Did you and your buddies plan to lynch me today? MariaR's not an investigative role. She was only with us on D1. She has reads but she can be wrong about them. Treat it as Havo's reads too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Another one's how he acted when MariaR was screaming town after the hammer. That wasn't the reaction of a town accidentally hammering town. Also the fact that he was LAMIST-ly asking for MariaR's read when he didn't use that information. It looks as if he just wanted to say that to look as town as possible after hammering. Then with how he's handling the heat on him. That's not a townie pushing back.

This is not minute. Everything I described here can be seen on that huge quote wall of yours.

Are you inclined to believe that town reads are accurate? You tell me! Aren't you "town" in D1 too? Who's your reads? Why aren't you lynching your scumreads?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why investigate Fykus?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not a bad question? Just curious why he chose Fykus to investigate?

Mulch, you're not seeing the picture here. Tornaga was coming on to you for getting Havo to hardclaim. He was absolving himself of the blame for Havo's hardclaim. However, he was part of the effort that built a pressure wagon on Havo. It was even apparent that he was conscious that he was there because of the bullshit soft claim. Why are you letting this go?

I don't know if I can believe Toranaga yet.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Right now, Toranaga is pending on how he deals with that lie. Because it looks like he's making up reasons to push against someone and the process is not organic. Certainly scummy, but that's less scummy than what I saw Fykus do around the MariaR lynch. So I'm doing a Fykus lynch.

do you not understand the difference between a vote on someone 100 posts into the game that's the second vote on that person, and wagoning the shit out of the same player, and keep wagoning the shit out of that player after he softclaims a PR? of course wagoning Havo was bullshit, and i'm calling out the people who were so satisfied in getting the guy to hardclaim for absolute shit reasons. I was never ok with any Havo wagon, I was just not here when all the events took place that led to that stupid L-1 situation.

we are not refering to the same thing. the bullshit reason i was saying was you putting on Mulch (?) that he was part of the effort to make Havo hardclaim when you were part of the pressure wagon after his softclaim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't know how LIKELY it is that there's another investigative role when we have had a cop.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why track Fykus?

[humaneatingmonkey]

He wasn't. He was conscious in his decision to stay because he found Havo's softclaim as voteworthy, even.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Are you two partners?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Should have just answered the question. Where is this hostility coming from? Jesus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay yeah I read back and I remember things differently

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Mod, what happens when Trackers track Millers?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Two investigative roles do we have a Serial Killer?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's go let's lynch Fykus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why should we lynch Misere Fykus?

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao

[humaneatingmonkey]

there wasn't even any fucking case against him, it was just lack of reads super early in the game. total bullshit pressure and I'd be hard scumreading both of you if I knew you enough to respect your games.

I have zero experience with a Miller best I can remember. The site I used to play at never used them that I recall.

So Wiki says they are a negative role and usually used to counter or lessen the power of the town cop. And the correct play is to claim early although it's debatable.

And I think a good argument has been made by both sides or at least I can see both sides.

I would hate to have to resolve the slot in LyLo tho. But my gut says scum wouldn't do this on D1.
As the Wiki says the claim usually gets lynched or night killed anyway. Or maybe that was one of you guys that said it.

I haven't found any reasonable argument against openclaiming. I wouldn't do it with certain player fields that I am confident to read me well, and I can see an argument for not claiming if you're trying to keep cop equity and if your kill create cop hunt cleared town. The fact is, claiming miller on later gamedays isn't as believable, and claiming miller after getting peeked scum will get you lynched everytime. Certain players with certain fields in certain games can play it in a different way, but this is not the game for that.

I wanna say this post is a little scummy. Bare in mind this is extremely thin, and I don't want to out all the reasons for it. But this is too much commentary instead of adding something to the discussion. Your post is fine otherwise, I get where you're coming from etc. Just think it comes more from scum than town.

this was the fucking reasoning I had for voting Havo

He hasn't refuted it. How can you reconcile these two posts? First he says it was a BS wagon, then he gives his reason for being on it.

If not for his hardclaim I'd be voting him.

Actually i might still be voting him, so

UNVOTE:

For now...

Yeah, but he was talking about WhyMafia's Miller claim. Why are you always misrepresenting shit?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fykus has claimed basically. Let's wagon Chip. VOTE: Chip Butty

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not reading that wall but why am I scummy?And why is misere only null?

The question is: why is Fykus only null?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I still want to lynch Fykus but that claim smells genuine enough that I want to see someone else handle pressure.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Stop sucking up to me you're making me change my mind about it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch claimed that he sends items?

Mulch, send me or WhyMafia an item tomorrow.

I don't think Fykus is an even night tracker. I'm even on the fence about your odd night tracker claim to be honest.

[humaneatingmonkey]

WhyMafia, do you want to lynch Mulch any second now? Was the item a fruit?

[humaneatingmonkey]

what? Fykus was claiming Vanilla.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I believe the vanilla claim. What makes you think even night tracker is an option? We had a cop.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: misere

Can we lynch me tomorrow please. If you do it today its gonna be a repeat of d1

Lynch

MariaR was lynched day 1! She was a

Vanilla Townie

It is now Night 1. Night 1 will last for (expired on 2017-09-20 08:47:04). Because the N1 deadline falls on Rosh Hashana, I may not be here to open up the game. My backup moderator will open the game thread and hopefully not fuck up like I did.

You can softclaim Vanilla, too.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Right. He's so fucking scummy. But the tracker claim checks out so much. He claimed tracker that targeted Fykus before Fykus even claimed anything. Then we have Mulch over here who's a possible fruit vendor, pending on WhyMafia's confirmation. It blows my mind that I need to stay the hell out of the game and watch first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But here's how we're gonna solve Tornaga's tracker claim—he dies or we ask him to target Mulch. Mulch will then choose to give a fruit or not give a fruit. If Toranaga answers correctly, he's a tracker. Because I don't know why I can't myself to trust Toranaga. He's just too fucking scummy on this site's meta.

[humaneatingmonkey]

This to me sounds very town. Monkey doesn't want to be in LYLO and I had a friend who did that, made every vote him and he voted self so that way he wasn't in lylo, we won, then he asked post game what who the survivors would have voted if he was in lylo and they said him. Wise choice, so because of this experience and how Monkey said it, makes me believe he's 99.9% town.

I swear to god monkey, if you're scum again, imma fucking eat a monkey for respect.

Lmao no. I'm not scum. I think you're gonna get more heat than this if I were scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're very easy to mislynch, no offense.

[humaneatingmonkey]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Visitor

Actually, the fact that nobody is trying to mislynch you IS scummy. I shouldn't locktown you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But that will confirm two townies—which eliminates the rest of it for the town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It confirms you as town. I already trust Mulch to be town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You don't have to. You can track anyone else and tell us that result since you've already claimed. I'm just offering solutions. You can track me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think I just hammered you.

and in this post HEM seems to believe he actually hammered Havo who had 1 vote on him. So HEM voted Havo with the perception that he was hammer lynching a claimed loyal cop, not CCed, early on day one. very scummy if you ask me.

lol no. i was reaction fishing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

^^I do this a lot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I just want WhyMafia to answer if he thinks you're scum or not.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's why I think Toranaga is scum. He's been attacking people and implicating shit at a VERY SPECIFIC NARRATIVE that isn't really very incriminatingly scummy. And he's too particular about it too. The only thing that's holding me back about Toranaga is his tracker claim and I can't trust him about it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

inb4 HEM/Mulch/Chip Butty

[humaneatingmonkey]

Toranaga's tracker claim is credible tho. Pointed out that Fykus had no actions before Fykus could even claim (although it could just be Fykus and Toranaga partnership). Had a matching role with Mulch if he's a fruit vendor. (I don't know if he did that claim to match Mulch's claim, if he claimed after Mulch did) But if Mulch isn't a fruit vendor, trackers and cops doesn't really make sense together.

I don't think I can lynch Toranaga today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Monkey

- 1398- Fykus is null because they haven't done anything that they woulden't normally do as town. It's sad but it's true.

You've been with Fykus before?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If Fykus is as town as Mulch says he is, it's still NAI for Toranaga. He can be scum trying to fish for Fykus' role. The only way to sort him is if he's dead by D4 and we've lynched the two scum existing.

I want to form wagons on BBT and Misere to get them out of their shell.

[humaneatingmonkey]

05. BlueBloodedToffee
06. skitter30 (replaces Robbnva)
09. Chip Butty
11. Misère

This is where I want to lynch. Let's just work on a BBT wagon please. Skitter I'm on the fence about. We share the same feeling about Misere having good posts. I think scum are likely to take the path of wagoning the inactive, especially if every town alive aren't easy to mislynch. Which is why I'm paranoid that Sergtacos hasn't found a wagon on his tail. But good posters have been scum before. I'm a better poster when I'm scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you guys like that I'm not missing ever so fucking often now? I kinda owe it to you guys because I wasn't there when MariaR was being lynched.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to form wagons on BBT and Misere to get them out of their shell.

I think scum are likely to take the path of wagoning the inactive

BBT: hasn't posted for 3 days.
Misere: hasn't posted for 10 days.

The two most inactive players still alive.

LOL?

lmao inb4 slip

the only real choice was you, but I'm not gonna do that if you're willing to wagon on BBT with me. He deserves one in this case. That's not just inactivity. That's systematic fuck you this is my playstyle now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ehhhhh.. But that claim. Toranaga should stay until D4. He should target you at N3 to see who you targeted. If he got it wrong or if he didn't do it, he's scum. If he's dead by D4, he's town. Simple. I already trust that you're town. You don't have the same Mulchy Scum vibe that's been trying to get town authority and town cred points.

I think we should lynch Fykus or BBT instead.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Just BBT is good actually let's do it. VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to form wagons on BBT and Misere to get them out of their shell.

I think scum are likely to take the path of wagoning the inactive

BBT: hasn't posted for 3 days.
Misere: hasn't posted for 10 days.

The two most inactive players still alive.

LOL?

lmao inb4 slip

the only real choice was you, but I'm not gonna do that if you're willing to wagon on BBT with me. He deserves one in this case. That's not just inactivity. That's systematic fuck you this is my playstyle now.

Roght now, I wouldn't follow you out of a burning building.

Look. BBT we can do something about. It's actual scumhunting. We will get the following results: Have him react to our wagon and see if it's towny or not. Or he maintains his shitty anti-town play and go die. At least he's not lurking. While Misere, Misere just needs to be replaced.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello? responses to my entire fucking wall?

Ehhhhh.. But that claim. Toranaga should stay until D4. He should target you at N3 to see who you targeted. If he got it wrong or if he didn't do it, he's scum. If he's dead by D4, he's town. Simple. I already trust that you're town. You don't have the same Mulchy Scum vibe that's been trying to get town authority and town cred points.

I think we should lynch Fykus or BBT instead.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I did. And it's still not worth the risk for a town PR that can be confirmed by a town I think I can trust to be lynched. I can also gather 20 points about anything because I work in the media and forming narratives is what I do. Not saying that your case didn't make sense it's great. But still. We have to play this properly.

Worst comes to worst, you die before you can confirm Toranaga. We're just gonna have to lynch Toranaga either way.

There's still the rest of the day to actually solve the slots of the other players here. I want to use that thank you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Let's just wagon BBT.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Imagine someone as anti-town as BBT ISN'T MISLYNCHED YET. Why? Because scum's throwing us off the other direction. BBT is the obvious choice I'll be looking at as scum but NOBODY is seriously considering the slot. This might be WIFOM-y to you but it's enough for me to consider that wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Still. I want to play this smart. Confirmation > Confidence.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I would have targeted BBT as scum before targeting anyone else, TBH. It isn't that hard to convince anyone to lynch him so why am I having a hard time? I'm sorry if it's too WIFOM-y but please think about it. Why isn't the anti-town being pressured by scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't semantics me, Chip. You know exactly what I'm talking about. If he's town, why isn't the scum trying to mislynch him?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'd do Skitter or BBT very happily.
Would not do Toranaga.
Even if I loved Mulch's case - I'd want to do Fykus first of that pair.

In agreement with Thor on the lynch order. Toranaga is just too confirmable. It's a chess game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Jesus fucking Christ Chip. Get out of my asshole. YOU'RE forming narratives now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. Let's discuss if

scum

tracker is a likely scenario in this setup. You spearhead this discussion because you know a role that we do not (yours). Is it likely?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Think about it Mulch. Real hard. I'm gonna trust whatever you say. Don't make this narcissistic. Be honest.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If town tracker is a better possibility than scum tracker, and you tell me so, I'm not gonna lynch Toranaga with you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Major power role being investigative?

[humaneatingmonkey]

This means other than the Loyal Cop?

[humaneatingmonkey]

No. I don't think Toranaga is likely to be a scum tracker then. Let's go back on the plan to confirm him and then wagoning BBT.

[humaneatingmonkey]

The town tracker claim is too sublime. We can deal with him later. We should focus on lynching scum TODAY so we can buy time for D4 to not be LYLO. If we fail today or you die, let's just lynch Toranaga tomorrow. Just think about it. He's not likely to be scum tracker even in the unlikely setup you told me about. If he claimed as tracker, and you're item giver and confirming Fykus hasn't made an action, tracker makes sense. However, Fykus-Tora is possible. The only problem with the claim now if he's lying. Which I think he might be, but we can confirm that.

Meanwhile, there's two other scum and a VERY narrow options to choose from. And I'm confident with how I deduced the list. So I think we are LIKELY to hit scum if we PROACTIVELY WORK on it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm gonna read Skitter again then so you can get out of my asshole.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't just stare at that wall. Respond to it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah. VOTE: Toranaga

[humaneatingmonkey]

You can be bored in dead chat, Toranaga.

[humaneatingmonkey]

All right, so what is the case on BBT, apart from low activity and openly sheeping the leading wagon?

@HEM

Not being constantly attacked and being defended with no apparent reason like this.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No matter. We'll lynch Toranaga today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

PRODGE I PROMISE ILL BE ACTIVE TOMORROW
Can someone give me a list of important posts? Fine w/ Toranga wagon, not fine w/ Skitter wagon

CONFIRM MULCH'S TOWNINESS PLEASE.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If your town PLEASE try to respond to the 20 points and refute them. PLEASE. I'm begging you

This is the shit I do when I'm about to mislynch town. But if WhyMafia vouches for you, I'm gonna ignore this.

[humaneatingmonkey]

WhyMafia, please tell us if Mulch is NAI or town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNVOTE:

Was it the actual nail in the coffin?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because I'm just trying to get Toranaga to defend himself instead of being a bitch

[humaneatingmonkey]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[humaneatingmonkey]

TBH that hardclaim was necessary and even after he hardclaimed, it's UNBELIEVABLE because he was so SCUMMY.

Lmao at the "Mulch is confirmed NAI"

[humaneatingmonkey]

So we have 3 invests .....

Someone's lying?

[humaneatingmonkey]

TBH that hardclaim was necessary and even after he hardclaimed, it's UNBELIEVABLE because he was so SCUMMY.

Lmao at the "Mulch is confirmed NAI"

you don't know what's scummy. you don't know anything.

you're scummy regardless of alignment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

TBH that hardclaim was necessary and even after he hardclaimed, it's UNBELIEVABLE because he was so SCUMMY.

Lmao at the "Mulch is confirmed NAI"

you don't know what's scummy. you don't know anything.

you're scummy regardless of alignment.

bite me fool

if I take this as a personal attack to my intelligence and threaten to report you to the mod so he can flip you himself, will you tone the personal attacks down?

[humaneatingmonkey]

ohhh did I offend you honey

Yes. And I'm telling mom.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Toranaga

Baby's lynching you regardless of alignment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Goodbye toxic person

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lovers have called me that so you have to be harsher than that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mulch being a scum fruit vendor makes less sense than Toranaga being scum tracker. With the incessant push by Toranaga that Mulch is scum even though Mulch is patently town here, I'll have to choose Toranaga. If you guys are both town, reconcile and lynch BBT. I'd vote Skitter for the lack of options since BBT isn't on the menu yet but I haven't really read him yet and I'm not in the position to do that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ninja'd by Thor

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. Fuck. Let's do this. Flash Skitter so you can all shut the fuck up. VOTE: Skitter I'll read her later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh no she's L-1 didn't see the votecount.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I kinda understand BBT now in not wanting to play anymore and just lynch the largest wagon.

UNVOTE:

I'm just gonna distance myself from the game. My strategy of choice will now be to ignore Toranaga until Day 5 and just lynch a probable scum in the pool of {BBT, Skitter, Chip Butty, Misere}. I'm not gonna come on board until BBT and Misere comes here. We have 7 days before deadline. No need to be rash.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not emotional. I just don't like it when a game that I play out of my way amidst a busy schedule gets toxic and personal. That's not a game I'd like to play. Hopefully, everyone understands and chill the fuck out.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's not playing into scum's hands if I'm confident that there's at least 2 scum in that lynch pool. I'm only waiting for Misere and BBT to give them a fair chance to address the game. After that, I'm gonna resume scumhunt duties.

What I'm not doing is engage, in retrospect, obvious anti-town decisions such as lynching a claimed PR at D2, regardless of alignment—or voting skitter, who I have never even read, out of sheer frustration when I read Robbnva as town. The PRs will resolve on their own because D3 will likely narrow it down between Fykus and Toranaga, both of which I'm seeing to be scum. The goal is to lynch scum first so that D5 will not become a LYLO situation.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Votes are more than lynching. It is also pressure, dissent, or just wanting to see where that pressure goes.

I voted Havo because he was scummy as fuck and I didn't believe the loyal cop claim because even if he was likely going to die, he still wasn't ready to disclose the mechanics. I believed it's because he was making it up. No he was just a bad town player.

I voted you because you were scummy as fuck. No, you're not a good town player if you are town. Sleep on that fact. You think yourself too good for the game and for this site but being in your situation right now as a town PR, that means you are bad at being town. If you are town, you are so bad of a town player than town thought you were scum. But today that's not up for discussion. I'm coming back to you on D5.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And even as I voted for Havo, I unvoted and I pushed the town to follow a similar approach to what I'm doing now to you. You were there and you were so approving of it, too. I don't know why you're choosing now as the perfect time to give me shit for it. So I'm not gonna entertain the fact that you are scum for the meantime. Nor that you are town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So how would that mix well with a Miller? You claimed that it explains the Miller role and that you think it points to the conclusion that he's town. How could it be?

I'll sort Sergtacos later when I'm done figuring out what to do with Havo. For now, it's enough that if Havo is scum—Mulch is town, WhyMafia is probably town. We should lynch in this fashion:

D2:
Havo alive ---> Havo reveals investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips cop, we base our lynch for who to vote next based on information and analysis.
Havo alive ---> Havo "reveals" investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips scum, Mulch is town, WhyMafia is town. We analyze who to vote for next.
Havo dead, Havo flips cop ---> We analyze who to vote for next.

So scum has extra incentive to kill Havo if he's cop because we're likely to confirm and narrow down then.

Oh and I've seen town players concede that longer days = scum advantage, so Mulch might be wrong to suggest that 48 hours in the game, it's not a scum-claim.

Serg, read into Havo's claim and think real hard. Does it make sense? Inherently—as in setup speculation. Tell me what you think about that. Next, is he consistent with what he sees as scummy and his behavior? Tell me what you think about that, too. Next, do you think it makes more sense that Mulch is scum vs any other players in this thread? If Mulch is the lesser option, then why are you not picking that person? Tell me what you think about that, too. Me? I suggest you follow my strategy on how to sort Havo. Find someone else to look at. I don't think Mulch is logically scummy if he's pushing for CopHavo's lynch this openly. If you believe Havo's claim, the job is done for scum. They flipped a PR role. The scum you're looking for is likely outside of Havo's wagon.

Mulch, don't tunnel Havo. We've obviously got the scum content from him. I think that it's safer to sort him at D2. Go prod someone else. I'm reading the thread right now and I'm curious to what Blue has to say about everything so far.

It really doesn't make sense. The answer is we caught scum. However, to be safe, we will solve him on D2. I already posted my strategy on this.

Now don't obsess over it. Move on.

Mmmmkay? Mmkay.

[humaneatingmonkey]

We all did. Now I'm contributing so that we are less toxic. Let's move forward.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Shh.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Lmao. You misrepresent me by a lot. WM has long been town for me. Havo was put to fate. Chip Butty is in a lynch pool. BBT is in a lynch pool. Maria strong push? You're kidding me. Mulch townread. Misere nulltown. Skitter I haven't read. I have said this throughout the game.

If you're town, the problem with your pushes is that they're bad and assumes false things just to fit a narrative. If you're scum, it's just bad performance. You should do better either way.

But please. Continue to push me. I like where this is going.

[humaneatingmonkey]

"I predicted he'd unvote, and he did unvote." Of course, I will. Should we open someone for a hammer with 7 days left and two of the people in my lynch pool yet to be replaced? Maybe that's what you're counting on. Add to the fact that I haven't even read her and I've been saying it? Don't you think I have the ability to bus?

"Chip Butty basically can't be scum with anybody."

This guy's gonna survive chronic bussers for sure.

You know what go push whatever you want. Remember everyone's watching tho. My flip would maybe make you easier to lynch in LyLo.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah. No point not massclaiming right now. Every night kill option is open. Hardclaim vanilla townie.

[humaneatingmonkey]

So Vanilla Town, right?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Have you locked Thor as town, Toranaga?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You guys already know my role. This was an incredibly bad decision to massclaim lol

It's not. If the claims are true, here's what's gonna happen:

N2
Fykus
N3
Toranaga
N4
Mulch/WhyMafia
N5
Mulch/WhyMafia

Every kill decisions have been claimed. However, if the claims are not true, we will see it once we get a better picture of the roles of the other people. Massclaim is necessary now. It was stupid back when few have claimed. Now, it's necessary.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I was frustrated and just wanted it to end. But then I saw that the deadline wasn't as near as I thought it was.

You're wrong though. Because I'm town. If you decide right now that I'm scum, LYNCH ME NOW. I don't want to be in LYLO. At the rate that everyone is suspecting me, I don't think we will win. I'm thinking that you're setting me up to fail. So if you decide to put me in any scum team right now, LYNCH ME FIRST.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes. Go. Let's do it. If you decide to put me in any scum team right now, lynch me first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You won't, though. You're afraid of the flip. Because you know it would expose the fuck out of you guys.

Bold prediction. Scum team in Toranaga and Thor and BBT.

I'm not widely town read: Chip, You, Thor. I'm not widely town read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

The answer is laziness. It's on my to-do list though. Let me do that within 6 hours.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because of Toranaga's #2071. Toranaga will obviously stay with us until D4 or D5 and WIFOM the crap out of not dying. Since I am "obviously" the third scum, I will be the LYLO lynch option. I do not want that to happen. If I die now, Toranaga's farce will be stripped away.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You won't, though. You're afraid of the flip. Because you know it would expose the fuck out of you guys.

Bold prediction. Scum team in Toranaga and Thor and BBT.

I'm not widely town read: Chip, You, Thor. I'm not widely town read.

Who else scum reads you.
Because I have you as a gut vibe 4th or 5th on my list.
Neither Toranaga nor Mulch has you in their top three as far as I can tell (though Toranaga might)
Who else?
Because you are actually pushing yourself higher on my scum list now that you're acting like you can't deal with the pressure of...not much pressure at all.
It feels overwraught and fake to me. Are you drunk right now? That's the only valid excuse I can think of.

Because of Toranaga's #2071. Toranaga will obviously stay with us until D4 or D5 and WIFOM the crap out of not dying. Since I am "obviously" the third scum, I will be the LYLO lynch option. I do not want that to happen. If I die now, Toranaga's farce will be stripped away.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because I'm not. We've yet to hear from the Misere and BBT. For all I know they have claims, too. I'm banking on the chance that Toranaga is an actual TOWN tracker.

[humaneatingmonkey]

His inno won't be on Tor because he didn't get an inno. He's an even-night gunsmith.

Toranaga has all my trust for this day. So does Thor, Sergtacos, and WhyMafia. Chip Butty I haven't decided yet. I don't know about Mulch anymore but Toranaga v Mulch looks TvT now. I say the best lynch is within me, lime in the coconut, and havinfitz. But let me save your time here and just tell you that I'm Vanilla Town. The deal to lynch me first is off because clearing me will not do anything positive right now.

VOTE: lime in da coconut. He's BBT's replacement. I still think BBT is scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay please talk about what will happen if I'm lynched and I flip town—because I will. Also, let's make this last until deadline because I want Toranaga to stay with us as long as he can.

I can't be active right now. I'll be active maybe Thursday.

[humaneatingmonkey]

TBH, I don't remember consciously putting anyone at L-1 because I'm not someone who will do that unless I really want a lynch to happen. What happened was I just desperately want to both of you shut up about voting each other so I wanted to go ahead and vote skitter so the attention will go there but then it was at L-1 so I removed my vote.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think us lynching Mulch is the best way to go. I'm fairly confident about Mulch's towniness here because fruit vendor isn't a scum role. Mulch was making sense about how it's a useless role for scum—a negative even. If anyone's gonna be lynched after me, I'll say Thor, Misere, and BBT replacements. Maybe Chip Butty.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sergtacos is town because the way he tries to solve this game sounds genuine to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, the way Skitter was associating himself with me, I can see how the scum would create a narrative about how I'm likely to be scum with him. I'm watching out for people who would push that narrative aggressively.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Meta me.