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Virtuoso · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:04 pm

VC 1.06

So this is not necessarily a classic, but given that we are approaching Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur I felt that it was appropriate to play some Jewish music.

Lynching

Havo

(4): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty

L-3

humaneatingmonkey

(2): Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

skitter30

(2): Fykus, MariaR

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): Toranaga

MariaR

(1): Mulch

Not Voting

(2): Havo, Sergtacos, skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

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MariaR · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:05 pm

In post 223, Mulch wrote:164 is a shit reason to unvote someone and it also seems like you have TMI. It's just bad. It's super hard for me to differentiate here because it's just so far out of my mind as something I would think from bad town and scum but it's just...bad. And I can't follow it.

Why were you worried about not having reads in 99

I was never voting Havo in the first place. Havo is softing a pr that seems important and that's all the info they need to give if people still sr them focus on them on a later date and see what info they have or let mafia kill them works for us

I wasn't worried about not having reads in 99 at all I was more shocked that people had reads why would I be worried

Sergtacos · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:05 pm

In post 22, Toranaga wrote:
In post 19, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ah. So it's Mulch and WhyMafia then. VOTE: WhyMafia

Please avoid multiposts this game.
I apologise. I actually had no idea this was a 2 week day 1. you finding that many scum already is townie, and even more townie as the logic behind it is strange and tinfoily!

Weird how Monkey didn't mention tor about the miller thing however tor basically adds monkey to his townblock? pinging hard

so far to me its tor and monkey.

Mulch · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:06 pm

In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.

This thing- why did you mention it?

Mulch · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:06 pm

And the soft is so bad lmao I'm in shock at how much I'm disagreeing with you on a basic theory level

Sergtacos · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:06 pm

In post 26, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's so townie with a logic that you think is strange and tinfoily?

Not sure if faking it or serious.

MariaR · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:09 pm

In post 228, Mulch wrote:
In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.
This thing- why did you mention it?

Hmmm I don't really have an answer. I just did? I didn't really think when I typed it I just typed what I thought and my thought was "wow people have a lot of reads for basically nothing that looks very towny or scummy to me"
Pedit: What's bad about the soft? It can be scum faking yeah but it can also be town and I don't wanna risk it

Sergtacos · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:10 pm

In post 28, Robbnva wrote:
In post 11, Toranaga wrote:I buy that whoever claimed miller is a miller
Why?

He questions Mulch AND Tor, unlike monkey.

Strong town: none
lean town: Robbnva
Null: None
lean scum: Monkey, whymafia, mulch, tor
Strong scum:

So far.

Mulch · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:11 pm

In post 232, Sergtacos wrote:lean scum: mulch

Why am I scum?

Mulch · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:11 pm

In post 231, MariaR wrote:
In post 228, Mulch wrote:
In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.
This thing- why did you mention it?
Hmmm I don't really have an answer. I just did? I didn't really think when I typed it I just typed what I thought and my thought was "wow people have a lot of reads for basically nothing that looks very towny or scummy to me"
Pedit: What's bad about the soft? It can be scum faking yeah but it can also be town and I don't wanna risk it

The soft is bad because if he's scum it allows him flexibility

MariaR · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 234, Mulch wrote:
In post 231, MariaR wrote:
In post 228, Mulch wrote:
In post 99, MariaR wrote:I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages.
This thing- why did you mention it?
Hmmm I don't really have an answer. I just did? I didn't really think when I typed it I just typed what I thought and my thought was "wow people have a lot of reads for basically nothing that looks very towny or scummy to me"
Pedit: What's bad about the soft? It can be scum faking yeah but it can also be town and I don't wanna risk it
The soft is bad because if he's scum it allows him flexibility

Yes but if you were a strong PR as town would you outright claim it or try to soft. I get your point though.

Mulch · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:14 pm

This is also what I did as scum in Giga's game

Sergtacos · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:14 pm

In post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your meta-analysis on him from what games, Mulch? Even if scum don't know if there are millers in the game, this can be a scum gambit that has been premeditated. I don't get a town-angle where you would trust that immediately. So you don't think a lynch of WhyMafia is beneficial?

If he flips miller then we waste our day. If he flips scum, then that would be beneficial. How about we analyze and bring in discussions before we actually proceed with this lynch?

Sergtacos · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:15 pm

In post 31, Robbnva wrote:Millers I don't think are used much and I think I've seen enough miller fake claims to not trust them. Plus despite the in incorrect wiki, proper play imo is to not actually claim.

So what is the correct play from a miller? and your thoughts based on whymafia's hardclaim?

MariaR · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:16 pm

Mulch would you say you tr people who have the same reads as you?

Sergtacos · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:17 pm

In post 32, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ah. It's because the team is WhyMafia, Mulch, and someone who's gonna bus WhyMafia upon entrance.

If whymafia is scum and if you're scum, you're bussing xD so i find it hypocritical if you two are scums xD

Mulch · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:17 pm

In post 239, MariaR wrote:Mulch would you say you tr people who have the same reads as you?

Depends if they did them before me or not, and it also depends on the specific circumstance.

Sergtacos · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:18 pm

In post 33, Toranaga wrote:
In post 26, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's so townie with a logic that you think is strange and tinfoily?
scum isn't as creative and paranoid

WRT miller claim, I'm yet to see someone hardclaim miller at d1 SOD without being one, and that's the correct approach to the game as miller anyway. risky play for scum and I can see many of you already scum reading that player and thinking lynching him is 'safe' due to that. only a true miller would benefit from hardclaiming early. I also agree with Mulch's reasoning that scum don't know if there's miller in the game, so this has the added risk of being CCed by one.

Very true, welcome to my null list.

MariaR · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 241, Mulch wrote:
In post 239, MariaR wrote:Mulch would you say you tr people who have the same reads as you?
Depends if they did them before me or not, and it also depends on the specific circumstance.

...interesting

Sergtacos · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 37, Robbnva wrote:Well hopefully you can't avoid it cause I'm going to make sure he's lynched

Who lynched? Whymafia? But if he ends up flipping miller then what? Thats my biggest concern here. I mean, if i was miller i would hard claim D1 too in the beginning as soon as possible.

Chip Butty · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 pm

In post 237, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 30, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your meta-analysis on him from what games, Mulch? Even if scum don't know if there are millers in the game, this can be a scum gambit that has been premeditated. I don't get a town-angle where you would trust that immediately. So you don't think a lynch of WhyMafia is beneficial?
If he flips miller then we waste our day. If he flips scum, then that would be beneficial. How about we analyze and bring in discussions before we actually proceed with this lynch?

I know you won't see this until you finish reading through, but how about next time reading the whole thread first THEN commenting?

Sergtacos · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 pm

In post 38, Thor665 wrote:
In post 32, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ah. It's because the team is WhyMafia, Mulch, and someone who's gonna bus WhyMafia upon entrance.
You mean like you did?

Exactly what I thought!

Sergtacos · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 41, humaneatingmonkey wrote:EDIT by post.

Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today or next week, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him until before deadline. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.

Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.

Thor665 wrote:You mean like you did?
SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmao

I was putting monkey on null until the last quote. the person who pushes for his lynch asap is the partner. what kind of town will say that? if you're town monkey, you're pinging me wrong. convince me that you're town somehow.

Sergtacos · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:25 pm

In post 43, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ayy that game isn't over???

This will never be the push the scum will go. It's just too beneficial for their purpose to keep him alive. There's more scum motivation to defend him for towncred and pocketing purpose than to lynch him. If you don't agree with that, you're scumclaiming.

Honestly this gives me a headache because monkey is right though. If there's a lynch or lose situation and lets say whymafia is actually town and survives until lynch or lose, he might get lynched at the lynch or lose phase.

Chip Butty · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:26 pm

About the Havo soft: If he really is a PR then drawing massive attention to himself by obstinately refusing to provide reads and doing all that complaining was a terrible way to play it. Also the alleged soft was so obvious he might as well have just hardclaimed a big PR. I agree we need to see a fullclaim at this point.