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[Toranaga]

SCUM ALWAYS BUS EARLY D1 DATS BASIC THEORY

no that's just a horrible post you made. NOTHING scum does with regards to bussing, defending, interacting or whatever is 'basic theory'. you're talking about something that's 100% metagame and depends on who, when and where these people are playing the games, and what is the game being played. you're tripping all over yourself. stop.

[Mulch]

This game is aggravating as fuck lol and we are probably going to let a scum slide with "oh, I'm a PR" again lmao GJGJGJGJG town

[Mulch]

SCUM ALWAYS BUS EARLY D1 DATS BASIC THEORY

no that's just a horrible post you made. NOTHING scum does with regards to bussing, defending, interacting or whatever is 'basic theory'. you're talking about something that's 100% metagame and depends on who, when and where these people are playing the games, and what is the game being played. you're tripping all over yourself. stop.

No. not ALWAYS. But very likely on a fast day 1 wagon on scum they are going to jump on at some point or else it can be catastrophic for their late game chances. What this means is that fast wagons on day 1 can include scum and still be on scum or *gasp* NOT include scum and town

actually functioned for once

and lynched town.


Stop fucking nitpicking on the fact that I said "always", you knew exactly what I meant

[Mulch]

SCUM ALWAYS BUS EARLY D1 DATS BASIC THEORY

no that's just a horrible post you made. NOTHING scum does with regards to bussing, defending, interacting or whatever is 'basic theory'. you're talking about something that's 100% metagame and depends on who, when and where these people are playing the games, and what is the game being played. you're tripping all over yourself. stop.

No. not ALWAYS. But very likely on a fast day 1 wagon on scum they are going to jump on at some point or else it can be catastrophic for their late game chances. What this means is that fast wagons on day 1 can include scum and still be on scum or *gasp* NOT include scum and town

actually functioned for once

and lynched scum.


Stop fucking nitpicking on the fact that I said "always", you knew exactly what I meant

EBWOP

[Toranaga]

'blablabla he asked me questions I didn't like' not something I care about.

No, he pointed out shit points and asked useless questions, which you didn't even comment on

I don't need to care about any of those questions you care about. that's your read, not mine.

[Mulch]

Why don't you care about questions Monkey asked me when evaluating Monkey?

[Toranaga]

none of this is 'basic theory'. you're talking about metagame and you're outed as someone who doesn't really understand the game as much as they believe.

[Toranaga]

why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.

[Mulch]

why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.

So, you did read them, and you didn't see anything wrong with them- you found them irrelevant?

[Toranaga]

if we think havo is a wolf one week from now, we can lynch him. we're like 50 hours into this game and you're trying to make it happen now, that's senseless and completely anti-town.

[Mulch]

longer deadlines benefit scum.


And more importantly, I feel like getting Havo to L-1 will elicit a claim from him.

[Toranaga]

why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.

So, you did read them, and you didn't see anything wrong with them- you found them irrelevant?

I don't remember, which means it didn't pinge me, which means I don't care.

[Mulch]

Oh and btw why do you dislike my reads list?

[Mulch]

why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.

So, you did read them, and you didn't see anything wrong with them- you found them irrelevant?

I don't remember, which means it didn't pinge me, which means I don't care.

Ok, so let me get this straight. You didn't take into account the quality of Monkey's posts while giving him a near lock town read? Because you didn't mention any, so all of them were irrelevelant? His POSTS were irrelevant?

[Toranaga]

"longer deadlines benefit scum."

why even write this? you know that's not necessarily true anyway and you know lynching anyone right now is terrible. why write such thing as if it was fact?

[Mulch]

I don't think lynching Havo right now is terrible at all



Also, it's true. The longer the deadlines go on the more town tend to get frustrated.

It's also why shorter deadline sites like Mafia Universe have better functioning towns.

[Toranaga]

why would I? I'm reading into other things he did. you read into whatever you want, those are your reads. if I find stuff irrelevant, I won't care.

So, you did read them, and you didn't see anything wrong with them- you found them irrelevant?

I don't remember, which means it didn't pinge me, which means I don't care.

Ok, so let me get this straight. You didn't take into account the quality of Monkey's posts while giving him a near lock town read? Because you didn't mention any, so all of them were irrelevelant? His POSTS were irrelevant?

everything we're reading are posts, how can you say I'm not considering his posts? yes they're mostly stuff I disagree, but hey yours aren't much better right now, so whatever. mafia isn't about who is logical and coherent, this is not how you scumhunt at all. you can be a completely coherent wolf or a totally incoherent villager who never writes anything good or worthy. It's not how I'll determine monkey's allignment here. maybe you wanna scumhunt that way, that's on you to do so.

[Mulch]

What's your meta-analysis on him from what games, Mulch? Even if scum don't know if there are millers in the game, this can be a scum gambit that has been premeditated. I don't get a town-angle where you would trust that immediately. So you don't think a lynch of WhyMafia is beneficial?

This post. You think this is irrelevant?

[Toranaga]

I don't think lynching Havo right now is terrible at all



Also, it's true. The longer the deadlines go on the more town tend to get frustrated.

It's also why shorter deadline sites like Mafia Universe have better functioning towns.

2 week games are too long of course. but mafiascum has other problems that have to do with half the player base parading around talking about how unimportant meta is to discern allignments, and stuff like that. lynching havo right now is worse than lynching havo 4 days from now. let's at least respect what people signed up for. play a 12 hour gameday with me on POG any of these days, I love them. this is not it so don't lynch the guy now. It shouldn't be hard for you.

[Toranaga]

that question isn't bad and I don't view it as scummy, no.

[Toranaga]

I'm sorry for getting a little upset.

[Mulch]

Dude, you at least agree we need a claim so he can't coast on this bullshit?


pedit:

My bad too. I think we probably have more in common in theory than a lot of other people here lol

[Toranaga]

yeah lol I was actually thinking through most of this game you'd be the guy I could work the better with. I agree he needs to claim but we should also look closely at new events ITT like some people jumping on that wagon and the interactions havo is having with people etc. I'm having a hard time believing everyone jumping fast on him was town and I think skitter's posting to him was frankly pretty opportunistic and some stuff just read as fake.

[Mulch]

ahh

well, I'm off to bed- hopefully more tomorrow.

[Chip Butty]

Man, that was epic! If you guys are scum v scum, my hat is off to you.