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[Havo]

No. You're not playing this game where people can see you as town. That's your real problem.

Well there's a couple here who have TR me.

So ..........

[humaneatingmonkey]

Explain what a loyal town cop does.

[Chip Butty]

Explain what a loyal town cop does.

When typing "Google" is just too much freaking effort...

[Thor665]

Longer deadlines = more discussion which only benefits town.

Both this statement and Mulch's are actually both true and false, and are a playstyle preference that both of you are acting like is a scumtell for the other.
Let's vote Skitter more.

I need to look with fresh eyes later, but open in principle to lynching either. Will return to this later.

I look forward to this, I would find both wagons more useful than the Havo meaningless side quest we went on.

This explains Mulch continuing to push me.

Outing the town Cop is worth it for scum on Day 1.

Congrats Scum.

You were the one who outed.
Both soft and hard.
And hard while having someone stepping up to clear defend the situation. You rushed it. I will agree their angle was bad, but don't let that blind you to noting that you also could have played it better.

I agree with you that Mulch's play was 'meh' but I disagree with you that it was clearly scum inclined.
What's your take on MariahR or Skitter?
I'd love to get more Skitter votes right now, and I'd take MariahR as a decent compromise present.

This is fine from a Havo is town perspective, but from a Havo is scum perspective the point was to deny him the shelter of a vague false claim.

The vague soft claim should have been assessed on whether he was playing pro town or scum - not as an inherent reason to force a claim in a vacuum.

@Thor: Incidentally, why did you take that hard Havo is town perspective there? Did you hardread him as town?

I didn't take a hard Havo is town (though I did think he was town, and frankly think both you and Mulch could have read him as such if you weren't being blind/being scum).
I took a hard 'this is not pro-town play, but is pro-scum play, and here is why (with specific examples)' to counter the 'lol, soft is pro-scum needs to go hard, yar!' theory which was, incidentally, the *entire* case against him - which makes no sense.

no idea who the wolves are but it's not havo

What's your take on Skitter and MariahR?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah. But Chippy, try googling "Loyal Town Cop MafiaScum" yourself. You will not reach a specific conclusion. At any case, Havo could explain his role clearly since he would have gotten a PM.

[Chip Butty]

Explain what a loyal town cop does.

When typing "Google" is just too much freaking effort...

On second thought, i withdraw the sarcasm. I'd be interested in hearing this too.

According to the wiki, the loyal modifier means the role only gets a result when acting on a player of the same alignment, thereby lending it an investigative aspect. So, loyal cop is an interesting concept...

Ninja'd by hem. Yes...i see...

[Chip Butty]

If i squint just right, i can almost see a Havo-Thor-bumtaco ST...

[Sergtacos]

If i squint just right, i can almost see a Havo-Thor-bumtaco ST...

You think thats the team? Why me? Because I made a really good case on your ass? xD lmao OMGUS much?

[Sergtacos]

If i squint just right, i can almost see a Havo-Thor-bumtaco ST...

wait, ST as in strong town or ST as in my name? xD because it looked like you were trying to guess who the team is but then again it could be the 3 you town read.

[WhyMafia]

Don't have time to reply to much
But uh
A loyal cop doesn't make sense cause then if he invests me he gets a scum result, but he's loyal so he'd know I'm town

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't reveal the plot twist, WhyMafia.

[Havo]

Explain what a loyal town cop does.

Smh. Seriously, between this game and the game I just finished, I feel like i'm in some kind of Mafia Twilight Zone.

I don't know what planet some of you guys learned to play mafia on, but it sure as hell isn't the same one I did.

Asking for specifics of a PR role on Day 1 is Inherently scummy. I just want to note that. So that's the second thing you've done that I consider unforgivable as a town player, the First being forcing a soft claimed PR to Hardclaim on Day 1, then leaving your vote there anyway.

So that puts you in the same boat with Mulch, as far as doing not 1 but 2 things I consider unforgivable as a Town player.

So it's not bad enough you got the town cop to claim in 48 hours, now you want specifics on my abilities. This is exactly why I didn't want to claim at all. It probably doesn't matter since I will most likely be killed tonight anyway, but if town possibly has a protective role and they cover me tonight, I'd rather not let the scum team know how to plan for my ability. Does that make sense?

If this isn't good enough for you, then I suggest you push for my lynch and see if you can get the Scum MVP trophy.

[Havo]

Havo is softing a pr that seems important and that's all the info they need to give if people still sr them focus on them on a later date and see what info they have or let mafia kill them works for us

THIS is how town handles my claim.

[Havo]

I feel the need to say this after the last game I was in and this games start. I was gonna make this my intro post since a few players in here were in my last game, but decided not too.

I freely admit I'm a mediocre mafia player at best, nothing special for sure. I enjoy it for the most part.

My biggest issue is this, I don't have the Super Power ability that apparently some of you here have. The ability to tell a Town Player who does Anti-Town shit, from a scum player who does Anti-Town shit.

So as a result, if you do Anti-Town shit at all, I'm gonna label you as scum, I'm gonna vote you and push you and try to lynch you. But most importantly, I'm not gonna believe your town claim especially on Day 2 or 3 when it's MYLO or LYLO and your telling me how awful of a player I am and demanding I give you town cred because the things you done were no big deal.

My message here is if your a Town Player, then don't do Anti-Town shit at ALL. It only causes confusion. And that only helps Scum. This is how town loses games.

[Fykus]

I think havos lying. The claim is convenient, his overreaction to the whole ordeal seems really disingenuious.

None of this matters though so ill hold off on my vote until tomorrow

[Havo]

Mulch should be the lynch today.

[Havo]

I think havos lying. The claim is convenient, his overreaction to the whole ordeal seems really disingenuious.

None of this matters though so ill hold off on my vote until tomorrow

Well you're wrong.

[Mulch]

Mulch should be the lynch today.

What a thing to come back to. Why the fuck should I be a lynch?

Keep in mind I haven't read much.


Are you still trying to push me as scum for a theory disagreement?

[Mulch]

I think havos lying. The claim is convenient, his overreaction to the whole ordeal seems really disingenuious.

None of this matters though so ill hold off on my vote until tomorrow

Why dosent this matter, wtf?

[Virtuoso]

Last vc has been updated

[Havo]

Mulch should be the lynch today.

What a thing to come back to. Why the fuck should I be a lynch?

Keep in mind I haven't read much.


Are you still trying to push me as scum for a theory disagreement?

You're scum.

longer deadlines benefit scum.

Town players don't say this shit.

Town players don't force a Hardclaim from a town Soft claimed PR 48 hours into Day 1.

My vote stays on you til you swing. Period.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Havo
Outing yourself as a Loyal Town Cop (not just a Cop, with full prefix and modifiers), but refusing to tell us what's the specifics for your role? Ah.

If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider.

[Mulch]

VOTE: havo


Guess what, havo! I'm town and I said that.

[Virtuoso]

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[Virtuoso]

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