Geriatric Players Club

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/signed.

Also, playing with fate was horrible both in real life and online and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

But also I think that mastinas post has some merit too. Like, fate was REALLY good at mafia. His style was adjacent to that. He could have chosen any style and he would have been really good at mafia. The style was also part, but not all of what made him so unpleasant to play with.

It's the same as how in 2007 or so we had a rash of players trying to play by only infrequently posting very short, mostly contentless posts. This is because Internet Stranger and Fritzler, who were very good at mafia happened to have this style, and it worked for them because they were very good at mafia. The people who picked it up were not very good at mafia however, and they ended up ruining games with it.

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I read that as autograph and now that I know what you really said I like it less.

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I agree, though I think there is a component of it that is volume in general.

One of the rules I put into my ruleset for my mini theme designed to enforce reasonable posting is that at the end of the day you can't have an especially higher or lower post count than the other players in the game. Maybe you could make some sort of sliding scale rule, where you can't post if you have x more posts than more than y players in the game.

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If you think that's lenient, that tells me I should be stricter maybe?

As for punishment, I'm not sure I really want in-game consequences, because that would punish the entire faction and/or mess with the balance.

I think its better as just a gentlewoman's agreement than anything else, tbh. If someone accidentally slips up and posts too much it shouldn't take more than a quick "hey, post less" to sort it out unless they were being disingenuous about signing up.

I think that 50 posts per real day is too many by like almost a factor of ten.

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Just spoke to mods about previous post, its fine because its just publicly available stuff about the game, but please if anyone wants to continue talking about RCs game in the context of this thread, please do not mention specifics like how players are doing with those rules or what their post counts are.

I think 10 per real day is a completely reasonable limit.

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Yeah, I agree. If we take it as read that everyone who is signing up for this game is doing so in good faith, just like "Don't post too much, too much is generally no more than 10 posts per real life day" is enough.

If someone is signing up for the game not in good faith, thats an issue for the list mods to deal with, not us.

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Whats crazy to me is that this is the line we are discussing. 10 posts in a real life day used to be considered spamming the thread when I first started playing.

#GetOffMyLawn

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Yeah, same question though.

Why do you think that is beneficial/necessary?

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Can solve that by making that interaction be with the mod via PM instead of with other players in thread

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Plus maybe sometimes you actually do legitimately need to post 15 posts in a day, because of a wagon at deadline or something.

The idea is to make this feel as natural as possible I think.

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I favor a much gentler hand with people going over, I think.

Certainly a warning and a replacement should come before an effective modkill.

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You should try it as both alignments, maybe you'll be able to win more.

I have like an 80% win rate on this site

This seemed like a bold claim, so I checked it out a bit because I was curious. It's closer to true than not true.

Mulch has 8 completed non-newbie games on the site and has won 6 of them. If we're quibbling, thats 75% not 80, but I'm not quibbling.

What I would like to point out, however, is that a sample size that small is pretty noisy, and claiming results off of something like that is pretty much meaningless. For instance, we were talking about scum games. You have 2 completed scum games, which, yes, you won both, but thats not a sample you can draw any conclusions from.

One thing I'd like to note is that you've been lynched day 1 as town 3 times. In 6 town games. For comparison I don't think I have ever been lynched day 1 as town. In like over 100 completed games (though I could be misremembering, I've played a lot of mafia. But its a small enough number that a 50% day 1 mislynch rate is just staggering to me). You have only survived to engame 1 time as town. It's hard for you to claim credit for victories which you didn't really participate in, and given as not being misslynched is one of the fundamental skills of a town mafia player, I'm willing to bet you're not as good as that 75% would indicate, so maybe you should listen to the feedback?

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I'm not saying he hasn't had good games. I'm saying that there is more to his statement that he has an 80% win rate than meets the eye.

Specifically, scum hunting and not getting mislynched are separate but complimentary skills.

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I dont understand the relevance of your statement. If you are responding to me, thats literally the argument I was making...

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Just signed up for a normal if any reasonable mafia players want to join me.

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If you need an another body I'm in. I only shitpost in Theme Park because I think it's a toilet queue.

Well welcome to my blacklist for uh...specifically theme games that I run???

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we want it fast and loose.

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mono cults and jesters. nothing else.

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I've got a large theme being reviewed right now that might be ok for this. But I also think that maybe a large is too intense of a commitment for some of the people interested in this.

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Actually now that I think of it its probably not a good fit for the purpose of this.

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Not really interested in an alt game.

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Those edits go against the whole point. If you don't want to run a game for the players who want to play a game like this, don't?

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B. 10 posts is extremely strict, and basicly forces players to wallpost, and will make the gamestate extremely slow, and as such, apathy happens, and being in an apathedic gamestate isn't really fun? 25 gives a lot more breathing room to allow people to play how they normally play? My arguement may be weak here so...

Basically the entire point of this thread is we disagree with arguments like this.

Having access to 25 posts is like being able to fill 1 page. I'm not seeing it being too much of a problem

It's a good thing this game is not for you, then, and is instead intended to be for people who do indeed see that as a problem? Again...this is the whole point?

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I saw your pedit.

No. Like, by agreeing to run a game for this specific purpose you were saying that we were allowed to play the game we wanted to play. Your changes are unacceptable for this function. If you want to run a game for people who like your games, I have no problem with that. But you didn't agree to do that, you agreed to run a game FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE. and your changes destroy that purpose.

It's like agreeing to run a blitz game for a specific group of players and then saying "and because I don't want to exclude people who don't want to play blitz games I'm going to actually make the deadline a week instead of 3 days. I don't foresee that being a problem."

It's just so bizarre to design a game for a specific intended audience and then say "because I want to include a different audience I'm going to change the way this game works so it instead excludes exactly the people it was designed for in the first place." I don't WANT someone making 25 posts a day. That is too many posts. If everyone does it, the thread becomes difficult to keep up with. I don't WANT people making unlimited posts at deadline.

I know I'm piling on here and I just wanted to state that its not that I'm angry or anything I am just so baffled that you thought that changing the very essence of what we as a group collectively wanted was an acceptable thing to do? Why would it be ok to, in a game meant for players who have trouble keeping up with hyper posting nonsense, specifically and categorically allow hyper posting nonsense in the rules? What's the point of this game?

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yeah, and i've been roped into reviewing apparently.

>.>

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in korts.

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It's become traditional to create private spectator threads where people not in the game can comment on what's going on.

Which is something I don't do because I've literally seen it break games before. I don't understand why we're lax about the "don't talk about ongoing games" rule in this particular instance.

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No, we're lenient with it. It's allowed under the rules. I think it ought not to be though, as I've literally seen players slip up, post in the game thread instead of the dead thread by mistake, and ruin games several times.

I'm not a huge fan, I think the risk is not worth it.

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No, we're lenient with it. It's allowed under the rules. I think it ought not to be though, as I've literally seen players slip up, post in the game thread instead of the dead thread by mistake, and ruin games several times.

I'm not a huge fan, I think the risk is not worth it.

I've seen this from dead players and mods too though, more often than from spectators.

The main argument against them I can see is that it takes away from your replacement base.

No I'm against the concept of dead and spectator threads writ large. This is literally my point. Allowing people to talk about ongoing games creates slip up potential that can ruin games, from mods, from dead players and from spectators. I think the fact that we allow this thing is perplexing and dangerous.

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No I'm against the concept of dead and spectator threads writ large. This is literally my point. Allowing people to talk about ongoing games creates slip up potential that can ruin games, from mods, from dead players and from spectators. I think the fact that we allow this thing is perplexing and dangerous.

While I do see your point, deadthreads also get people watching the game and increase enthusiasm for it. They create a place for tips to be said while the game is progressing without ruining the game. They are a fun plave that creates a tighter knit site as we all have a place to come together, comment, and cheer on a game whether we are in it or not!

They do a lot for the site that i think you take for granted.

While I do see your point, talking about games with your friends gets people watching the game and increase enthusiasm for it. They create a place for tips to be said while the game is progressing without ruining the game. They are a fun ay to create a tighter knit site as we have a way to come together, comment and cheer on a game whether we are in it or not!

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Like I see the appeal. I also see the appeal of talking about ongoing games in all manner of situations, but we don't allow that because it creates a way for games to get ruined. I have personally been involved with two games that were ruined by people posting in the game thread accidentally. In general, as a site, we have made a decision that talking about ongoing games is not ok because the risks of ruining the game are too great for the benefits they provide. We don't make this decision about dead threads and its bizarre to me.

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But this thread isn't really about that so I'll shut up. But I do not allow or create dead threads for my games.

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I suspect I'll just get buried by people attacking me because they really personally like dead/spectator threads so they wouldn't be willing to listen to the actual arguments against them.

Not really worth.

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How can someone be copiously wrong?

In general I think of that as more of a binary.

It's like saying something is "very pregnant"

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Pre-ins

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Slots are still open for my game, for people who want to move over.

is it in signups somewhere

i dont understand...you're already pre-in'd for this game.

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Very well done Aeronaut, thank you!

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Yeah if your game is just by the book normal and you dont push back too much on the NRG suggestions it'll go quickly.

Its only when you want to do something insane like I did that it takes a while.

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Guys wtf! Can we have some civil discourse instead of shitting on Mulch!?
Holy crap!

Person A: Acts like a gigantic asshole.
Person B: Hey, asshole. Stop being an asshole.
Person C: OMG WHY IS EVERYONE BEING SO MEAN TO PERSON A.

In this situation the issue isn't with the people who are responding to someone being an asshole to them, its with person deliberately coming into this thread to start drama and attack people. The responses have actually been remarkably civil given how shitty mulch is being.

But sure, ari. The people responding to the asshole are the ones at fault here.

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Nah.

He deliberately went into a thread that was for discussing a rule set for players who want to use that rule set in specific games amongst themselves and started taking giant craps on the floor.

Do you not see the difference between posting in a thread called "Anime Discussion!" and posting "anime sucks" and going into a thread called "There is too much anime on this site" and posting "Anime sucks."

Context is super important. I've literally been banned on this site for doing the former, which is precisely what mulch did.

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I'm sure there's more context to that, Shea. I don't know so I can't speak on it. I suppose I'll just leave my arguments as they stand as I have to go to work soon and still have to get ready. I just think we were being a little harsh is all.

I would much rather see proper discourse and the coming together of people and ideas than insults being flung and people having a "No Girls Allowed" sign on the treehouse door.

No context other than what I just said tbh. My only argument wrt that context is there is a difference between going somewhere specifically set aside for people who like a thing to shit on that thing and going to a general discussion of things and discussing your dislike of a thing. One of those things is reasonable discourse. The other is trolling. Mulch was clearly trolling here, and was responded to in the way he was because of that.

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I didn't even say anything to him?

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But good grasp of the facts there buddy!

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You responded directly after me. I am the one who called him an "asshole." you used the word "you" repeatedly in your comment.

If its not directed at me perhaps you should do a better job of signaling who you referring to.

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Or maybe because the message was directed at someone who did speak to Mulch you could infer it wasn't about you?

Nah, because every context clue in the sentence was directed at me. No one else called him an asshole. No one else was talking about him for the last page. The word "you" means something.

But whatever, this debate is stupidly pedantic.

The point is that going into a thread dedicated to people who like a thing and shitting on that thing is trolling. It's something I've been banned for before. And I deserved it. Its being a jerk.

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Anyway, if you want to start a discussion about how the geriatric rule is bad for mafia feel free to start a thread talking about it. This thread is not about that, this thread is for organizing games using the rule set. If you don't like it, don't post in the thread. It really is that simple.

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So are we ignoring the other things I said or are you just trying to take a victory lap because I missed something korts said?

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So yes then. Ok.

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Sure, but my point is if he wants to discuss those issues he should make a thread about it. This thread isn't about whether the rules are a good idea. This is a thread for people who already think the rules are a good idea to get games together. It's literally the same thing as posting "anime sucks" in a thread about anime discussion, again, something I have been rightfully banned for.

Thats why everyone in this thread thinks hes being disrespectful. If he wants to have a conversation about this, go ahead. Start that conversation. But you don't walk up to a bunch of people playing DnD and say "sup nerds, did you guys know that DnD is terrible?"

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Why don't you post on your main?

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I'm highly in favor of 7-14 day deadlines.

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Being predictive here and calling it that this might start a mass exodus that will hurt the site's activity. I like the ruleset, and games should be made for that. Heck, a whole sign-up could be made for that but I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm watchful of the indirect tagging and discrimination that comes with making lists of the people you avoid playing, and the separatist paradigm that comes with it. Let's call it what it is.

.... What?

Nobody is making lists of people to avoid playing with.

Making lists of people to avoid playing with has been on this site for...roughly 12 years now.

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oh thank god.

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No I thought it was going to start in the middle of team mafia and I was going to have to flake on it.

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any blacklist that has zorblag on it cant be good.

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You post too much to be geriatric anyway

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I'm joking. I obviously also post a lot heh.