TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[Vecna]

sedrfthgyjkhulij;okjihuyukcdrjftkguihojihmxg

after hours of work I've determined this is not a code

After two minutes of looking I have deduced this actually is a code, and I broke it.

It reads: Drealmerz is a silly pink sheep

Please confirm Not_Mafia

[Vecna]

strawberry flavoured peanuts should be a thing

[Vecna]

also lets speedlynch anyone that did not like pineapple on a pizza

[Vecna]

Yeah you did.....sorry to break the news to you but I like dress-up

[Vecna]

Im already experiencing great pleasure at a certain question I put into that survey. How's it going Dreal?

[Vecna]

Also, Im pretty sure snarky already broke his post resitriction

[Vecna]

THis is scum:

VOTE: Vecna

Hostile threat detected.

Engaging in hugs to distract

[Vecna]

Its alright to also ask for a hug if your jealous alisea

[Vecna]

Im definately gonna be submitting this shit for kodak moment.

Drealmerz is a true poet warrior god. Who wouldve thought

[Vecna]

Im already experiencing great pleasure at a certain question I put into that survey. How's it going Dreal?

I think snarky is saying he wants you to elaborate.

The question what posting restriction drealmerz should get.

[Vecna]

Announcement of an announcement:

Ill be providing some more question related information soon that should help some of us track down the baddies more efficiently

[Vecna]

VOTE: Randomidget

Welcome

[Vecna]

Also in light of my announcement;

Id like everyone to publicly state what they answered to the question that asked:

What should the scumteam be called?

Faillure to provide this information will result in a witch-hunt of epic proportions.

Lying will result in getting lynched. Ill be able to tell.

[Vecna]

Also in light of my announcement;

Id like everyone to publicly state what they answered to the question that asked:

What should the scumteam be called?

Faillure to provide this information will result in a witch-hunt of epic proportions.

Lying will result in getting lynched. Ill be able to tell.

you don't just make demands like this as a teammate
elaborate how it will help gamesolve or I'll abate
for all I know it could just help scum manipulate
comply with this in a sensible way
and perhaps you'll have my answer today
I told pre-game I would not comply
and if threats are all you've got, goodbye

It will/could help in two ways;

-Spot liars if that survey investigator role that was part of a question does exist. Town has no reason to lie about this. Scum might. See the second part.
-There was a hidden component to the question, that might help town. Ill elaborate more after the answers are in. It wont help scum

[Vecna]

that's all good and swell
but how will you be able to tell?

Answering this now will defeat the purpose of the exercise.

Have a little faith, shaky

[Vecna]

Happen to have "meta" in your role title vena ;p

Not gonna go into much detail concerning my considerable power, but alas I do not have the type of ability I think youre hinting at

[Vecna]

'tis by design, ye of little faith

[Vecna]

Not really appreciating the continued stubborness, while trying to fish for all the details

[Vecna]

what if you're scum and you were told :
the one who named your team rolled _____

And what in that extensive questionaire that allowed us to design/influence the game made you believe that this is the case...?

[Vecna]

I'm actually a wish enabler 14th degreen backup day 3 vigilante compulsive bodyguard one shot bulletproof one shot daycop

WITH A GUILTY ON SCREENPLAY

Stop distracting from my question with your nonsense please

[Vecna]

Once again - if youre town, IT IS IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO ANSWER.

Please, state what you answered to the question "what should the scumteam be called"

When I reveal why im asking this its gonna be looking pretty bad on the players that are refusing to answer. If youre town, please do not be a willing part of this group.

[Vecna]

Hey chickadee, given our brief history, please do something to convince me that you are town.

[Vecna]

Hey chickadee, given our brief history, please do something to convince me that you are town.

Can you do the same?

Do we have some sort of history that im not aware off?

[Vecna]

I wanted this game to stop at 14 players. I'm waiting to drown here. Is there any specific reason why you're not town reading me? I think the only time we've played, I was scum. Or have we had more than one game?

Just the one

[Vecna]

Im already preparing you for tomorrow, when ill have a similair posting restriction to what snarky has right now.

But your point is taken

[Vecna]

vecna, don't be a ghost
answer this post:

what did you answer?
was it "cancer" ?

I answered "Killerwhales have feelings too"

Your turn

[Vecna]

realistically if this game is supposed to be balanced i don't think mod would give scum post restrictions so dreal and snowman are locktown imo

Wasnt there a question that implied there could potentially be posting restrictions for half the players? Rather odd observation/conclusion - especially since drealmerz was guaranteed to have a posting restriction due to my question no matter what.

[Vecna]

So far I have pretty good tingles concerning Chickadee and Mulch. I think Dreal is town as well, but obviously for completely different reasons than him merely having a posting restriction.

Is it just me, or does it feel like only half the playerlist has been posting so far?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Desperado

This is scum, sheep-sheep-go

[Vecna]

Hey Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

[Vecna]

Interested in hearing more about this "purity test" I failed. Maybe he wants more brushing teeth vids.

Some thoughts on Toby. My first thought was he is probably town... why would the mod let someone play in some mysterious account on the scum team (who really just wants to hide and not draw too much attention to them selves)

But someone mentioned Toby might be controlled by someone in the game... this opens up new possibilities and a greater likelihood of being scum, especially for this specific reason: If they were town they would want to clear up the confusion around them playing, but they are not. They are not being particularly helpful, and really more trolly than anything, so I think its likely a scum controlled slot (basically helps them get an extra vote)

I would be for lynching them, but they may be protected in some way, we might have to kill the source (person who is controlling them). They also might flip town even tho they are being controlled by scum!

Blulba/lycan/Vecna are not giving me good vibes.

can you be more specific what about me gives you bad vibes?

[Vecna]

VOTE:

learn to play mafia please
holyfucking geez

are we certain this is mafia?

it feels like...something else right now

VOTE: desperado

[Vecna]

Does it work in lylo Mastina?

[Vecna]

Or any other limitations to the use of it that we should be aware of?

[Vecna]

Also Alisae, you appear to be rather......"fluffy" this time around, compared to your normal bite/spunk

Mod, do replacements to the game get any insight into the answers their slot provided to the questionaire?

[Vecna]

I also answered no to that one.

Still waiting for voluntary replies to what people wanted the scumteam to be called. Ill reveal why before EOD

[Vecna]

what people wanted the scumteam to be called

didst thou spoteth mine own dropeth?

I think my sherlock holmes instincts are on vacation - I feel it should be obvious but it appears im missing it.

[Vecna]

Even if mod lies would be enabled......going so far as to use them instantly in the first post to falsely townclear someone would be a reasonably strange approach to it

[Vecna]

@Eddie: Also, pay attention to how she shifts over the next couple of days.

Just going to hot drop the reads I have so far. Snarky, Sly, Vecna, Mario, and Dan are all town. Dreal is likely town as well, although if we do get confirmation of multiball, I'll need to revisit this. I think Eddie might be town here, but only because I think he chose town on the survey to increase the odds that we'd land the same alignment. I believe he knew that I was really not interested in playing scum this game. Same deal for Alisae. I know from Day and Night that she doesn't really like scum, so I think she opted for town or some sort of survivor role here. I also think Mastina is probably town, mainly due to the way she entered the game. I don't think she'd deal with the questionarre in the same way as scum. She'd be displaying more confidence, and it's apparent that she has no idea what to do with the information she's got. I might need to reevaluate later, because this is Mastina we're talking about, but I'm feeling pretty confident here. I'm leaning town on Midget and Dunker. They're both almost there, but I want to see more. Mulch is also likely town, but he's a good vig or policy target, and like I said, how he's claimed doesn't sit well with me. My strongest scumread is Chickadee. Everyone else I'm still working on.

I feel this merits some questioning, as im still rather on the fence about your slot. Why a townread on snarky and sly? Seems to me they havent done much, and snarky has mainly been hiding behind his posting restriction without actually doing much. The same question for your lean on random. How come mulch is likely town even though you dont like his claim?

Also, care to elaborate on your read on Chickadee? I was the only one to catch on to her being scum in a very recent game with her - and her behaviour this game is something totally different from what I can see.

[Vecna]

unvote
vote: lycan

Im also still wondering why people are picking up a lot on inactive slots, but are completely ignoring this one.

Desperado definately lurks as scum, and hasnt done anything so far this game. Would like to get some more votes here.

[Vecna]

2 days, folks
*pokes pokes pokes*
consolidate or make a push for your preferred wagon
there's no need for any of this to drag on

Ehm, oh right. Short day1 Guess I better make that post at the end of this catchup

[Vecna]

Alright a bit of "information time"......

My 3 game related questions that I designed were the following;

-What post restriction should dreal have
-Would you like there to be a questionaire investigator role?
-What would you like the scum team to be called? (Hidden: THE MOD CHOOSES THE BEST ANSWER, AND ASIGNS THAT PLAYER WITH THE STRONGEST SCUM PR)

Im quite sure people can easily see the type of mechanics interaction I wanted to add to the game. Sadly the mod did pm me that he could not guarantee that the hidden part would become part of the game since it would give me a rather unfair information advantage.

The reason why I started just asking people about the answer to this question, instead of revealing the design first should also be obvious. I wanted to see how people would respond, since if the hidden part did make it into the game, a certain strong scum PR should go into a rather big panic realizing that there was a way for us to figure him out.

The response has been rather varied, with quite a few people answering without giving a second thought, and a bunch of people refusing or claiming they forgot. Im not sure what that means for the actual design of the question, but I think its safe to say that any QUESTIONAIRE INVESTIGATOR should be focussing on investigating answers to the SCUMTEAM NAME answer.

Im sure ill get flooded with the usual questions again, but here's to hoping I explained it properly

[Vecna]

VOTE: Lycan

[Vecna]

I highly highly highly doubteth the mod'rat'r compli'd with yond aspect of thy questioneth. Yond'd just beest lacking valor modding "hmmm alloweth me giveth a huge advantage to 1 playeth'r bas'd on super secret info yond only those gents knoweth about" - just not going to befall

Well IIRC the mod did state somewhere that knowledge about the questions/answers could confer an ingame advantage at some point IIRC - and even if my question does have the hidden part - actually knowing that that is how it works doesnt automatically find scum. Wed still need to figure out the actual name of the scumteam, AND then have a questionaire investigator find that person

[Vecna]

As for your answers Balba - ok. Not the most sturdy of reasoning everywhere, but I can at least see where youre coming from on most of them.

As for chickadee, check out her type of talking as scum in Breaking bad Mafia (small theme that recently'ish finished) - the tone and type of engagement are a lot more advanced there - and you can see she is very capable of pulling a "hide in plain sight" trick on pretty much everyone if she tries. I do not think she's just trying a completely new approach here as scum that is different to that extent.

[Vecna]

Ive mainly focused/commented on mechanics myself, and I tended to believe the posting about not feeling well and getting drowned due to the player limit. My point is that she doesnt have to resolve to avoiding player-based issues and reads as scum, since she's completely capable of fabricating and manipulating her way through those in a believable manner.

@Dreal, I did notice the short deadline at the start of d1, guess the week just mustve flown by rather quickly.

[Vecna]

f'r the rec'rd I eke hadst a secret aspect to 1 of mine own questions and didst get the same response from the mod about t not being guarante'd to beest in the game, and I knoweth f'r c'rtain yond t is not parteth of the game

Also, can you clarify how you can be certain that my hidden part didnt make it in? Would be usefull to know.

To be honest, Id find it strange if it wasnt included. Especially given how there werent that many questions that would merit investigating otherwise - and I do believe questionaire investigators were included.

[Vecna]

Dear mod - would it be possible for all players to receive a record of their answers to the questionnaire? Im guessing this must be possible since replacements also get it. The longer this game goes on, the more plausible it becomes that people start forgetting what they answered.....and I think it would be nice to at least eradicate that as an excuse

[Vecna]

You mean as in the google questionnaire, or as in from the mod?

[Vecna]

Yes we are needy. Now make it happen

[Vecna]

Guess the mod-team is about to get a free IMGUR refresher-course by popular demand

[Vecna]

I really dont see what would make you say that. My vote is parked and im fine seeing a flip right about now....so what better time than now

[Vecna]

I prefered the rhyming with properly speller words tbh.

So youre saying you designed your question that people would get the role they answered as their preferred role....but youre confirming that you did not get the role you stated preference for?

[Vecna]

Im afraid now we'll have to questionnaire-investigate you, and then lynch you tomorrow,.....for science!







J/K ofcourse, the rhymes make you pretty much lynch-immune as far as im concerned

[Vecna]

Im actually really not liking Mulch so far this game. Feels very different from the last game I played with him and it feels quite like he's just forcing the appearance of not really caring too much about the game.

[Vecna]

Also Alisae, have you just been going down the slope towards "dont care about mafia atm"? Im missing every form of bite from you so far this game. Not what im used to from you.

[Vecna]

That seems like a pretty random request at face value...

[Vecna]

I think there is a mixture of scum and apathetic townies on the slysly "wagon". slysly is neither here or there and he seems like an easy target at the moment.

So youre saying the people on the other wagons are not apathetic? Seems plenty of people are also just voting there because were approaching the deadline.....

[Vecna]

Yeah I find myself playing mindgames with myself, really wondering whether I should still be on this wagon

[Vecna]

day 1 will end in (expired on 2017-09-19 19:30:00).

Well.
That's unfortunate.
I literally can't be here. I've set a 1 AM (approximate) bedtime with me needing to do other stuff (so about 12:30 would be my cutoff). I literally am at work all of tomorrow and mafiascum eats too much data for me for some strange reason. (I understand that it's not SUPPOSED to, but it does. I can check/send a couple of PMs, but I can't read pages upon pages of a thread.) I can give you A LITTLE time right here right now in that I can give like a couple of hours but for a 50-page game with mechanics that I honestly don't have a good grasp on that's not nearly enough time to read the whole thread.

FYI, the game starts on page 14. It cuts down a little bit on what you have to catch up on. Unless pregame seems terribly relevant to you.

Im actually really not liking Mulch so far this game. Feels very different from the last game I played with him and it feels quite like he's just forcing the appearance of not really caring too much about the game.

I'm liking mulch for town this game. To be fair, it does feel different, but I know mulch has gotten a lot of feedback on his play as of late, and have been noticing him trying to consciously make some changes. So I've been judging content, not feels from mulch.

Could you go in a bit more detail about the directions of this feedback, and what he should be changing according to it?

Mulcheyboy, how do you feel about the statements made by Chickadee here?

[Vecna]

Wonder if vecna is scum or town misreading me. Considering they have some of the best reads on this server, they're probably scum

Appealing to my vanity huh? Let me return the favor. The word around town is that youre one of the best at masquerading as town while scum, and my feeling is that is exactly whats going on here. Except you chose the approach here to try and appear as the non-caring towny. At any rate, im not interested in lynching you anytime soon, since if you are town I've also seen that you can be quite the asset with your own reads.

[Vecna]

Lycanfire has requested replacement following his prod; in light of this, there will definitely be an extension of day 1 at least until day 1 ends. sorry for not updating you all regarding the requests for an extension sooner—I've been at work since those began. I'll update with a votecount and whatnot in the next couple of hours.

Also, UNVOTE: Lycan

Even though I really hate changing reads/votes based on replacement input

[Vecna]

Mastina, are you all caught up right now? Any changes in your initial impressions?

[Vecna]

You did at first, but it came with a disclaimer. Im not sure if we are going to get an update to that with more of the same, or how that process works in mastina-land.....hence why im asking

[Vecna]

Even though I really hate changing reads/votes based on replacement input

be more specific

is your read changing or is it just the vote?

How on earth would my read be changing while the slot literally hasnt participated in forever? Obviously im just giving the replacement the opportunity to participate so he doesnt still get lol-hammered before having the opportunity to do anything.

VOTE: Desperado

Thanks for reminding me you still havent contributed anything of worth though

[Vecna]

Its also very possible he's just scum doing what he usually does as scum. Just asking meaningless questions to which the answer is already obvious to appear to be doing something is inherently scummy behaviour.

[Vecna]

No thats bullshit - not trying to lynch your scumreads just because theyre also lurking and some people are against lynching lurkers on D1 is the stupid route.

those people arent gonna change your mind over the course of the game even if they do happen to be town, and tactical NK's taking out the active players leaves behind a group of apathetic players that WILL just policy lynch those slots and loose town the game by default.

[Vecna]

Hi
Obviously we aren't lynching me today. Me being me and all.

First pass
TOWN
Llamarble

Not_Mafia
Mulch
Chesskid
Chickadee
Mario

Vecna
Mastina
Snarky
Vax
Whymafia

TROLL
Alphinaud
Srceenplay


DISAPPOINTING
Dreamerz
Dunkerdoodles
Ginngie
Toby

Eddie
Slysly

randomidget
Bulbazak (+ Desp?)
Actiondan - scum! Although that's my second impression.
SCUM

This list LITERALLY just looks like you roughly sorted people by post-count........And seems like the most super-ficial reads ive seen in quite some time.

[Vecna]

I don't like the progression of Bulba's reads. I especially didn't like his push on Mulch. After Mulch's hard claim of wish granter, Bulb was still pushing to policy Mulch. Mulch claimed a provable role (again, yes, I know, not provable town, but provable role). Mulch has been good about not spamming this game. Plus, I have a hard town read on Mulch. Then Bulb moves on and tries to get a Drealmerz wagon going. And then moves on, and then moves on, and then mov.......you get the point.

Thats the gist anyway. from me at least.

Wait, youre actually under the impression Mulch was serious in his claim?

[Vecna]

votecount 1.10

6 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7,

Lycanfire

, Not_Mafia, Srceenplay,

Chickadee

,

chesskid3

)
5 players voting for Lycanfire (EddieFenix, Desperado, mastina, mastina, MarioManiac4)
3 players voting for Srceenplay (Bulbazak,

ActionDan

, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (

Dunkerdoodles

)
1 player not voting (

Vecna

)

Skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch

Is there actually any relation between this votecount and your reads? Or you just using it as a copy-pasta to get the playerlist?

[Vecna]

You mean by the reads themselves or me pointing it out?

[Vecna]

What you said about it
it pings me
I don't understand how you got all of that from that post

So you dont think its strange when someone that is claimed to be one of the best, goes over the game, presents their first read, and all of it is purely "face value". No indications that they were suspicious of anyone trying real hard to blend in? Nothing that made them go "oh this person is widely townread, but he did X which I think means he's faking it". No original thought, but just scumreads that were scumread by most, and townreads that are townread by most? Which are now admittedly mostly based on activity?

Sure the argument can be made "he just replaced in, first impressions" - but even while reading a thread as town with an open mind youre gonna find stuff that goes against the grain. This felt way more like a scumslot replacing in and doing the "look me being town, putting forward a lot of effort to catch-up and have a readslist that wont ruffle too many feathers".

[Vecna]

Alisae townreading me, thats a first.

I can pretty much guarantee you to the highest degree that Drealmerz is town btw - id definately see him as what LUV was in civ mafia.....doing his own thing that can be construed as surface-scummy (and fucking infuriating at times), but unless he's putting on a masterclass in hollywooding this is definately his town-meta.

Still, id like you to explain to me why youre scumreading him.

[Vecna]

Also Alisae, you stated youre a survivor.....and that you can remove your name off the list (which it indeed is now)......is it just you by yourself, or do you have some other teammates in a survivor faction? (Toby)

[Vecna]

Is that just a strange leap in logic, seeing how he listed toby in his townreads-pile?

[Vecna]

Theres actually plenty good reasons for that question, especially since a bunch of people have been calling for his head, and the similarities between the two slots make it quite plausible. Eliminating mislynches narrows our lynchpool.

Besides, whats wrong with just being curious about the setup

[Vecna]

Ali is a survivor, his name does not appear in the playerlist

Toby is some unknown entity that just appeared in the game, his name does not appear in the playerlist

Ali lists toby as one of his 3 townreads, while toby hasnt really done anything to warrant that

Must be something going on there.....and I really dont see why math gets triggered over my questioning it.

Edit; stop being such a cocktease alisae

[Vecna]

Math being chesskid

[Vecna]

Knowing whether theres a survivor faction, and how large it is, is only pro-town

Knowing who we can ignore, and not focus on for the lynches (also going forward) is only pro-town

And yes, I am fishing, because I want to know

[Vecna]

I still think theres something more going on there, but its clear that ali isnt in any type of mood to share that

[Vecna]

VOTE: Llamarbles

Back to this

[Vecna]

Im still really not understanding Chess' freakout over the survivor line of questioning

[Vecna]

survivor hunting seems like something scum would want to do, not town. That's what really bothered me about Vecna post, and I don't know why people are continuing to endorse it.

Probably because your black & white interpretation of it is just flat out wrong? Youre being a fucking drealmerz atm

[Vecna]

Whoah. Vecnascum? Vecnascum!
Dunno about making that happen in the next day and change but for after my usual N1 death etc.

How unsurprising

[Vecna]

something suddenly occurs to the people of Tibbiddee: there's not quite as many people here as there were earlier.

"I think I counted 45 of us earlier," one of them says. "yeah, it was 45."

"no," another one of them says. "you're thinking of the neighboring town of Echo Bay, Maryland, which has a population rapidly on the rise."

"you're right," the first one says. "I don't know what I was thinking. but we definitely have fewer than we did before."

"I wonder where the person and/or persons who were here before went?" asks a third person. "I mean, where could they possibly have gone?"

"I'm not sure," another person says. "also, was this tree here before? I don't remember this tree being here before."

"speaking as the Municipal Organizer of Delinquency," someone says, "I think the tree has definitely been here the whole time.

"I wasn't sure what to think," yet another person says, "but I don't see why the MOD would lie about that tree having been part of the town the whole time."

"I think the MOD would definitely lie about something like that," a final person says. "a recent survey shows that MODs lie on a frequent basis."

"who can say?" another person says. "maybe the MOD would lie even about stupid things, like which of us spoke last in a given conversation."

Not_Mafia is now a treestump! he no longer possesses a vote, and is treated as though he does not exist for purposes of determining win conditions.

And this sounds quite a lot like the role that Alisae was talking about earlier, the thing he wanted to be so badly

[Vecna]

VOTE: Desperado

This is scum. I have mod confirmation.

Mulch, why arent you seeing what im seeing on Llamarble? join me and we'll get that slot tomorrow

[Vecna]

Anyways im starting to become more and more sure that Chesskid is also on the survivor faction. There is no reason for town to get that triggered over my line of questioning there, and there is something else at stake there that makes him so resolute and unwilling to see any other side of that coin. Scum wouldnt react that way to it either.

Llamurble reading into my reaction the way he did once again shows no actual interest in reading into a situation and genuinely trying to read allignment. Him going from a townread on me after first readthrough, purely trying to find reasons to scumread me after seeing im the one that continues to be onto him (after he even admitted my reasoning for doing so is totally valid) makes me totally unwilling to lynch anywhere else today.

[Vecna]

No he's not, that doesnt line up at all

[Vecna]

Actually, as a survivor he'd definately have reasons to stop me from poking into it, and harassing alisae with questions on that matter - if everyone starts to dig into that sort of stuff it would only be a matter of time before he is (force) outted.

Have you played with scum-Chesskid before? Is that angle-looking that youre descibing how he has played as scum before? Hadnt really considered that reasoning behind it, and it seems a bit farfetched to me.....

[Vecna]

Llamurble reading into my reaction the way he did once again shows no actual interest in reading into a situation and genuinely trying to read allignment. Him going from a townread on me after first readthrough, purely trying to find reasons to scumread me after seeing im the one that continues to be onto him (after he even admitted my reasoning for doing so is totally valid) makes me totally unwilling to lynch anywhere else today.

Ooh, "He even admitted X" is one of my favorite scum-constructions!
I said that avoiding ruffling feathers was a scumtell. Tell me more about all the feathers I'm not ruffling. Tell me more about how superficial my reads are...
You said lack of depth to reads is scummy, but in the 1 day I've been in this game I've already consumed the entire thread multiple different ways, even looked for supplemental information in other games trying to figure this out. I've pointed out posts that make me doubt the overall impressions I get of people so I can test those impressions and compare against other games.
1 day of play, and I'm already obvtown.
And yeah, once I'm satisfied that I understand this game well enough to lead the town, you'll see me get persuasive and actually explain things in such a way that others can see the game from my perspective and reach the same conclusions.
My scumgame, since Mastin asked, has always rested on the fact that sometimes I lurk as town (obligations and all), and then I kill everyone I can't just shout down and do 1v1 fights (because those are literally the easiest thing for scum to do, choosing a single target and constructing logical arguments why others should lynch them, complete with that delicious "He even admitted") until endgame. I am good at finding the path to victory. The thing I do not excel at as scum is exactly what I've spent the last day doing - the studying-storm of becoming one with the game to solve it.

Im sure theres been plenty of times where scum do use that line of reasoning. Thats not whats happening here though. Other favorites that are often used by both town and scum alike; Talking about how you've become Obvtown, talking about your own meta, and how youre totally not playing to your scum meta atm. All rather unimpressive arguments.

Also im not gonna deny you probably would be very persuasive in the days to come. And thats exactly why I want to lynch you right now, because youre a danger to this town and one im not confidant thatll ever get lynched if I do happen to die. So yeah, I do believe you trying to set me up to get lynched here is part of your path to victory.

For now, lets discuss your progression on your read on me, since you want me to talk about the depth of your reads. Explain the progression how you went from a townread to having it flipped straight away. And do it without stuff that you attacked later on (like my statement that you attacked in this post), but in the proper linear time-path.

And yes, you do continue to thread lightly without ruffling any feathers. You have suddenly gotten a townread on every vocal and high quality player, while scumreading the one player actively attacking you and 3 lurkers.

[Vecna]

I've noticed in my own (and others' but most of my scumtells are differences I notice between my own scum / town games) play that scum gravitate toward this phrasing more often.
I believe the reason for this is scum feel a greater need to concretely justify themselves to others whereas town know that their own righteousness will clear them eventually.
So scum go for arguments like "Behold the inconsistency or error this player made!" or better yet "they :admitted: to this scummy thing!" because that even claims their target shouldn't disapprove of them.
Sorry if I haven't fully expressed the idea, but I think it's an important one. I guess to summarize, scum want their reasoning to be ironclad and look really good; town want their reasoning to be right.

Ill not argue the truth to this, since its often the case - but theres also the flipside some players will get questioned quite a bit more than others, and them knowing that their own "righteousness" will often be met with heavy resistance from everyone and their dog at every point during the game.

[Vecna]

Actually, as a survivor he'd definately have reasons to stop me from poking into it, and harassing alisae with questions on that matter - if everyone starts to dig into that sort of stuff it would only be a matter of time before he is (force) outted.

Have you played with scum-Chesskid before? Is that angle-looking that youre descibing how he has played as scum before? Hadnt really considered that reasoning behind it, and it seems a bit farfetched to me.....

This is dumb and inaccurate, please refer to earlier post for why forcing survivor claims is dumb before thread was derailed with vig speculation

Say as you will, were not gonna agree on this one clearly, and youre not gonna remove the idea from my head that there are other reasons than this for you freaking out over the issue.

[Vecna]

Llamur is scum, bulba is town, mario is whatever and about as uninteresting a lynch as we can possibly get at this point

And drealmerz, ive learnt enough about your town-game over the last few games together to realize when your main priority is to come off as a know-it-all instead of trying to blend in and fool people <3

[Vecna]

Which means your vote should be on the llama

[Vecna]

If you dont wanna see bulba or mario lynched.........youre not shifting the momentum to the proper wagon.......why exactly?

[Vecna]

He's 9 votes short. With less than 24 hours remaining theres not going to be a lynch on scum unless it is powered through with such momentum that scum will be forced to bus near the end

[Vecna]

And drealmerz, ive learnt enough about your town-game over the last few games together to realize when your main priority is to come off as a know-it-all instead of trying to blend in and fool people <3

my games vary quite a bit, that's not accurate at all
think everhope, this slot could be scum, y'all

Sorry to break it to you, but the idea you have about your own play as town is warped. Your townplay is always infested with this "need" to argue about every single little thing, no matter how irrelevant. As town, this is the thing you focus on most, and it always comes out on top (allthough you dont do it as much in all games). When comparing your tone in doing this to the little games as scum ive witnessed from you, its just different, and your priorities are different.

And no, I dont think your scumgame is that advanced that you can mimic that behaviour accurately, even if you already were aware that that is what people are looking for (especially not with your current handicap). Good luck trying it in your next game as scum though, now that you know what im judging.

[Vecna]

I so want to argue with you guys about how great 69 is, but I feel like it will go places that probably shouldn't be discussed.

Nah, it's way overrated.



I'm still firmly on the bulba wagon. That's where I want to lynch, though if needed, I'll be around and would be willing to switch to Mario, though I don't like it. I agree with Vecna on this, it's rather boring. But I'm even more uninterested in the llama wagon.

Chickadee now that you've become slightly more engaged with the game, let me ask you this; do you see any similarities between llama in this game, and how you responded to my line of questioning in the previous game we played together?

[Vecna]

Also, 69'ing is a terrible idea with people whom's hygiennic standards youre unfamiliair with

[Vecna]

Am I just imagining things, or is Chickadee's avatar changing everytime I look at it? Allmost like those facial dots becoming more and more "present"

[Vecna]

yes that was the game

[Vecna]

No you tacked on ChessKid's freakout over my questioning the survivor thing lol

[Vecna]

Llama is fooling you with words that are meant to look good and distract. Please take the time to -read- indepth how he is responding and trying to subtly twist things so they look in his favor DunkerDoodler

[Vecna]

Neither did you say it was because of anything else (like the iso reread you now bring up), but the timing sure made it look like you were piling on and using the pressure from ChessKids inquisition against my survivor questions and my response to that. The way you even made it sound makes me strongly suspect you were hoping a wagon would form up that you could join.

[Vecna]

How is it supposed to be obvious that youre doing a lot if you dont share anything about it, but only glimpses as you call it? If you actually are town as you claim, do you not realize that to anyone obvserving that, it is going to be a spectacle to appear to be doing towny stuff to get out from under the pressure your slot was under?

And no, I am indeed not buying that you suddenly just decided to browse my iso and came to the conclusion that it must be scum. And definately not when you do it in such a manner where it is far more likely that you wanted to make your attacker look bad, by throwing a lot of hypotheticals about behaviour that scum is more likely to do show. The timing and usefullness from a scum-pov is just too damn convenient, with chesskid attacking me which could be a great distraction from the pressure on you. The fact that Desperado suddenly showed up to interfere in the discussion between me and ChessKid, and that he also showed up on your scumreads after that only reinforces that belief (even though I agree he has been scummy).

[Vecna]

Oh for the love of god can we get a vecna wagon

I really dont have the desire to get into an argument with you as well at this time, but suffice it to say; you need to get off that horse

[Vecna]

Purely from memory; may not be perfect...
TOWN
Llamarble

Not_Mafia
Chesskid
Dunker
Chickadee
Mastina
Mulch
Dreamer

Vax??
Srceen??
Alisae???
TBD???
Dan?
Eddie?
Random??
Slysly?

Snarky
Desp
Vecna
Mario

Factcheck completed?

[Vecna]

oops, seems i misread that.

Anyways I can sense myself getting agitated over this nonsense, so time to go find some liquid entertainment

[Vecna]

Did anyone get thier survey when they asked for it? I didnt, maybe just an oversight, I can never tell in a bastard game.

Yes, I did get my results when asking for it

[Vecna]

suddenly, one of you is dead.

"I'm pretty sure SlySly just died," someone says.

"no, he's clearly right there," another person says.

"no, that's Llamarble! and yet I think Llamarble has died! how odd!" a third person says.

"it's almost as if... he replaced SlySly!" the first person says.

Llamarble

replacement survivor

you are the replacement survivor! you have two ways you can win the game: either stay alive until the end of the game, or make sure that no one is ever replaced or modkilled due to a replacement not being found. note that only replacements based on game activity or players requesting replacement will matter in this way; for instance, if a player is banned from the site and has to be replaced, that will not affect you.

you also have a neighborhood with ~~~. [these players are/this player is] also [survivors/a survivor], and they have unique ways they can win the game besides just surviving. you can communicate with them privately here:

you also have the following special power: if a player needs to be replaced, you can take over that player's role! this role will die if that happens, and you'll switch to that role. you will lose access to your neighborhood if you do that.

mod note: information might be redacted or made ambiguous in role PMs--hence the brackets in that second line.

Llamarble replaces SlySly.

Holy shit.......

Guess my instincts of something fishy going on with this slot and it trying to talk its way out from under my suspicions in a scummy way were once again.....accurate (/selfpat)

[Vecna]

That is interesting.
Now I have to start over with lamarble.

Death didn't end the day and we still have about 11 hours left.

Wanna try Chess now?

Dude dont you see?

This COMPLETELY confirms my theory.

Chesskid, Llamurble and Alisae are on the survivor faction together

I knew there was something going on when Chesskid went into ragemode over me questioning Alisae.

Now it also totally makes sense why he was defending llamurble so much and continuing to be so aggresive towards me at every point during the process.
-----------------------------------------

Anyways, I guess this kinda ends my crusade

Were not touching the survivors. And we can finally work together Chesskid, so drop your rage against me, because my line of questioning and reads that somethign fishy was going on were on point.

[Vecna]

I was pretty sure I couldn't make it to endgame alive as a survivor so I just played like a townie and planned to replace into a townish playerslot.
So full-effort reads.

Vax, I have moved to the slysly playerslot and obtained Sly's (Town!!) role and wincon.

VOTE: Bulbazak

I don't think I'll out my neighbor(s) for now.
1. Didn't want to be outed
2. Can still eat a scum NK for us while hidden
3. Were planning to work with town anyway
So it seems win-win.

Well, I think its rather obvious who it is now regadless.....now isnt it?

[Vecna]

So this is a rather crappy situation though, under 6 hours to do with dayshift happening during the american sleepy-hours.

I feel like I need to reorient a bit with this new information, and would be ok'ish with a no lynch, even though id strongly prefer a lynch in some of the less active slots. Im not sure id prefer bulba here over the option of a NL.

Going to prerelease as well, maybe if something does brew up ill hammer something before the deadline.

[Vecna]

Not Caught up.
Got post restriction now.
Busy today.

Later

[Vecna]

VOTE: ZOE

Bulb claiming to vig a BG and getting guiltied

[Vecna]

Toby = gin confirmed

[Vecna]

[Vecna]

>Confusion
>Vaxkiller dead - Still on votecount
>Dreal WTF?
>LYNCH ZOE

[Vecna]

Pretty sure everyone voting is already indirectly claiming

[Vecna]

Hidden player modyfying question: YES / NO?

Go everyone.

Fakeguilties crusade

[Vecna]

Rm, why are you sounding so damn fishy?

[Vecna]

QUESTION 14 - MASS CLAIM

Solves drealmerz situation

GO

important information

[Vecna]

I was pretty sure I couldn't make it to endgame alive as a survivor so I just played like a townie and planned to replace into a townish playerslot.
So full-effort reads.

Vax, I have moved to the slysly playerslot and obtained Sly's (Town!!) role and wincon.

VOTE: Bulbazak

I don't think I'll out my neighbor(s) for now.
1. Didn't want to be outed
2. Can still eat a scum NK for us while hidden
3. Were planning to work with town anyway
So it seems win-win.

The thing that bugs me about this post is a few things
A. I feel like Llama would have definitely set up some kind of message to get across to his buddies what alignment he was.
B. This feels like just washing his hands of the fact he was a survivor. Like if he's scum I feel like he would let scum know who the survivors are and keep that information away from town because knowing who the survivors are helps PoE scum.


His Desperado thoughts on the post above me basicly a really easy way to justify a read there and its just going on with what's going on. It's reading the table and it doesn't feel natural.
Dreal - The read here also doesn't feel natural.
His Mario read just makes me feel like he has an alternative to go back to like "Oh, we can always just go back to this."

Hmmm im confused. So youre not part of the survivorcrew?

[Vecna]

A serial killing survivor?

[Vecna]

we also both know thats not the reason im asking

[Vecna]

Alisae serialkiller......

Hiding in the alley

Knife in your back

[Vecna]

ask the mod about a ss of your answers

[Vecna]

so since bulba killed mulch........

why would scum kill vax

[Vecna]

this game feels town vs many 3rd parties to me

[Vecna]

i have others reasons too.

also i believe snarky=scum

[Vecna]

scumdreal faking cop guilty? unlikely.

maaaaaybe if someone else's plan

[Vecna]

VOTE: Snarky the snowman

[Vecna]

Screenplay, your box has a carrot

HAND IT OVER

[Vecna]

Is mulch still being a valid lynch target a moderror?

[Vecna]

Alisae is weird.

2nd treestump-like mechanic is suspicious

[Vecna]

Go away mastina, let them take my CW bait

[Vecna]

I have my suspicions on both sides of the coin

[Vecna]

10 words is not enough to grill these marble posts

[Vecna]

omg the screenshot betrayal

[Vecna]

VOTE: Snarky VOTE: Snarky

mechanical extrapolation; scum/3rd party in

dreal

/ snarky

[Vecna]

All lynches today suck

3:1 Zelda/Zoe scum?

Bussing target

[Vecna]

Scum trying to appear to be doing "Protown stuff"

[Vecna]

HURT: slap drealmerz with a fish

HEAL: mulch

[Vecna]

Yay finally talking

Keep talking so i can post ffs

[Vecna]

Dreal, just wondering - why investigate/claim on a dead man walking

[Vecna]

nm, i think we might be mirror-roles

kill snarky

[Vecna]

your eggs are safe in my basket chickadee

[Vecna]

Mastina, why you defending snarky so hard via work-around?

[Vecna]

wait chickadee, is this big font a real posting restriction?

[Vecna]

Apathy too high. Lynch snarky, trust vecna, need the flip

[Vecna]

Well your read there is highly likely wrong

[Vecna]

Fishy shit going on.

Mastina knows more about Snarky's role

[Vecna]

Everyone paying attention knows that

Not being "dumb and lazy"

[Vecna]

yeah I dont see why not

[Vecna]

not interested in lynching dunker at all

[Vecna]

Hardclaim; BP PR 3rdpartycop, guilty snarky

If he's survivor, CLAIM

[Vecna]

Confirm trustworthiness of my result
If trustworthy, kill antitown role?

[Vecna]

I doubt my role would exist if theres only survivors

[Vecna]

Dont need a mechanical role for that.

Weird setupdesign otherwise

[Vecna]

Weird unusual design does not equal illogical design

[Vecna]

I have no idea what youre even trying to say

[Vecna]

Its a bastard game with new mechanics (thus yes "weird")

[Vecna]

obviously meant different things with the same word

fucking Postrestriction

[Vecna]

Guilty + Lamarble statement:--> Either both us "MADMODIFIER" or other 3rdparty

[Vecna]

If only 3rdparty = survivors --> no sense giving me false result

[Vecna]

Never seen people dodge a likely SK lynch this much

[Vecna]

Youre assuming everyone used that same logic?

Not bloody likely

[Vecna]

Im just an unhappy uncharismatic person Alisae

Wheres my scumread?

[Vecna]

You actually think this is gonna flip scum?

[Vecna]

Mastina + snarky + ........ scum

Vecna stupid troll modifier

calling it now

[Vecna]

Combined with the annoyance over someone daring attempted lynch 3rdparty.........

[Vecna]

I know the game is whacky as fuck, but do you really see scum getting a DV role that is active during xYLO?

And scum wouldnt lie about that.....why exactly?

[Vecna]

Given how everyone suddenly jumped on Dunker: Snarky = scum

[Vecna]

Big iso, people complain

Small iso, vecna must be scum

[Vecna]

Quite a lot of thoughts going through my head right now, and im quite happy I can finally type shit again. I have no result to share today, for reasons I will not go into.

-We now know the scumteam name, but I dont think it was the answer that someone provided earlier - if we still have questionnaire cops maybe they should look for those answers, but this is probably low priority

-Dunker's role is quite interesting - Rolecopping that requires to know whom provided what question......I dont really remember anyone trying to actively fish for that information though.
-The more important part of Dunker's role is that he actively bodyguarded all the scum every night and would die instead of them. So if a town-vig would shoot one of his teammates, he would die instead............this means that any shot at scum would instantly find two scum. If scum were smart, they would probably want to hard-bus dunker with that role.
-Dunker's role PM also states "if a member of THE MAFIA would die....." which might indicate its not multiball

-Mario and Mastina are weird kills here with drealmerz not being targetted. Do you have any indication of why you didnt get a result dreal?
-Mastina dying by bodyguarding drealmerz could be a possibility. Another option is she died for being too on the money, so shooting EddieFenix is probably a good option here.

[Vecna]

Lets see them shots first, I wanna know whether scum was bussing or protecting dunker

[Vecna]

I guess technically it could still be some weird multi-ball construction, with another 3rd party constructed anti-town faction. So far all town players appear to be pretty high-powered, and with how my role is designed it would make sense.

[Vecna]

Also drealmers, you stated people didnt flood onto dunker during the last day......but that is wrong. After I announced my 3p result on snarky people suddenly went into hyperdrive to get dunker lynched. You were the counter-wagon to either dunker or snarky, but as soon as I announced my result your wagon vanished and people all flooded onto dunker.

Quite a bunch of things that couldve happened;
-Snarky is a lone 3p or my result is false, and we just naturally lynched scum (and some of the scum tried to protect dunker by using my result as an excuse to vote there)
-Snarky indeed is some 3p faction and his teammates protected him by going all-in on dunker
-Scum decided to bus dunker because his role was a liability

Spoiler:

votecount 2.L.6

7 players voting for SnarkySnowman (Vecna, Llamarble, Llamarble, Vecna, Srceenplay, Chickadee, Chickadee)
6 players voting for drealmerz7 (EddieFenix, EddieFenix, Not_Mafia, Desperado, Desperado, MarioManiac4)
5 players voting for Dunkerdoodles (mastina, mastina, mastina, drealmerz7, drealmerz7)
2 players voting for MarioManiac4 (chesskid3, chesskid3)

5 players not voting (ActionDan, Dunkerdoodles, SnarkySnowman, Toby Determined, randomidget)

with 28 votes, it takes 15 to lynch. valid lynch targets are Chickadee, drealmerz7, Dunkerdoodles, MarioManiac4, SnarkySnowman, and Toby Determined.

4 players healing Vaxkiller (Srceenplay, mastina, ActionDan, chesskid3)
3 players healing Not_Mafia (Chickadee, Not_Mafia, MarioManiac4)
3 players healing Bulbazak (drealmerz7, randomidget, EddieFenix)
3 players healing Mulch (mastina, randomidget, Vecna)

1 player hurting Llamarble (mastina)

1 player hurting Vecna with a blade (mastina)

1 player hurting drealmerz7 with a fish slap (Vecna)

the following players have an additional vote: ActionDan, Chickadee, Desperado, EddieFenix, Llamarble, Not_Mafia, SnarkySnowman, Vecna, chesskid3, drealmerz7, mastina, randomidget

day 2 will end in (expired on 2017-10-11 19:00:00).

mod note: post 2428 was interpreted as randomidget unvoting both of the votes he had at that point.

mod note: Toby Determined, mastina, Not_Mafia, and Desperado have been prodded.

votecount 2.L.7

9 players voting for Dunkerdoodles (mastina, mastina, mastina, drealmerz7, drealmerz7, Desperado, Desperado, randomidget, randomidget)
7 players voting for SnarkySnowman (Vecna, Llamarble, Llamarble, Vecna, Srceenplay, Chickadee, Chickadee)
4 players voting for drealmerz7 (EddieFenix, EddieFenix, Not_Mafia, MarioManiac4)
2 players voting for MarioManiac4 (chesskid3, chesskid3)
1 player voting for Chickadee (Toby Determined)

4 players not voting (ActionDan, Dunkerdoodles, SnarkySnowman)

with 28 votes, it takes 15 to lynch. valid lynch targets are Chickadee, drealmerz7, Dunkerdoodles, MarioManiac4, SnarkySnowman, and Toby Determined.

4 players healing Vaxkiller (Srceenplay, mastina, ActionDan, chesskid3)
3 players healing Not_Mafia (Chickadee, Not_Mafia, MarioManiac4)
3 players healing Bulbazak (drealmerz7, randomidget, EddieFenix)
3 players healing Mulch (mastina, randomidget, Vecna)
13 players healing Toby Determined (Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined, Toby Determined)
1 player healing Danny Trejo (Toby Determined)

1 player hurting Llamarble (mastina)

1 player hurting Vecna with a blade (mastina)

1 player hurting drealmerz7 with a fish slap (Vecna)

the following players have an additional vote: ActionDan, Chickadee, Desperado, EddieFenix, Llamarble, Not_Mafia, SnarkySnowman, Vecna, chesskid3, drealmerz7, mastina, randomidget

day 2 will end in (expired on 2017-10-11 19:00:00).

mod note: as Ginngie mentioned in post 2523, Vecna is now loved and requires an additional vote to be lynched. this continues through the rest of the game.

mod note: ActionDan has been prodded.

after a long day of assessing who is a Zoë and who is a Zelda and the harrowing experience of seeing Toby Determined leave to go make his life in another town, you all finally come to a decision.

"it's unanimous," someone says.

"uh, no, it's just a majority," another person says. "like, we didn't have to decide this unanimously, and we still haven't done that."

"sure we have," the first person says. "we unanimously decided to kill Toby Determined. we each got one vote, and every single person here is voting for Dunkerdoodles."

"have you been paying any attention at all?" asks the second person. "like, that's literally not how it went at all. we're killing Dunkerdoodles."

"no," says Dunkerdoodles. "I think the first person who spoke just now between the two of you is correct. I can confidently say that they are correct, and I am totally unbiased in this discussion."

"that's--that's!" the second person says.

"I'm glad Toby Determined is willing to stand up for what's right and agree with me. get him, everyone!"

"wait what" says Dunkerdoodles.

and then everyone grabs Dunkerdoodles. that's definitely how everyone meant for that to go.

votecount 2.L.9

16 players voting for Dunkerdoodles (mastina, mastina, mastina, drealmerz7, drealmerz7, Desperado, Desperado, randomidget, randomidget, MarioManiac4, ActionDan, ActionDan, chesskid3, chesskid3)
7 players voting for SnarkySnowman (Vecna, Vecna, Srceenplay, Chickadee, Chickadee, Llamarble, Llamarble)
3 players voting for drealmerz7 (EddieFenix, EddieFenix, Not_Mafia)

4 players not voting (ActionDan, Dunkerdoodles, SnarkySnowman)

with 28 votes, it takes 15 to lynch. valid lynch targets are Chickadee, drealmerz7, Dunkerdoodles, MarioManiac4, and SnarkySnowman.

4 players healing Vaxkiller (Srceenplay, mastina, ActionDan, chesskid3)
3 players healing Not_Mafia (Chickadee, Not_Mafia, MarioManiac4)
3 players healing Bulbazak (drealmerz7, randomidget, EddieFenix)
3 players healing Mulch (mastina, randomidget, Vecna)

1 player hurting Llamarble (mastina)

1 player hurting Vecna with a blade (mastina)

1 player hurting drealmerz7 with a fish slap (Vecna)

the following players have an additional vote: ActionDan, Chickadee, Desperado, EddieFenix, Llamarble, Not_Mafia, SnarkySnowman, Vecna, chesskid3, drealmerz7, mastina, randomidget

day 2 has ended.

Dunkerdoodles

"scrum me hard, Keith!" mafia ultra-macho reverse questionnaire role cop backup*12 day 3 vigilante 1 shot day bulletproof

you win the game when no one who opposes the mafia is alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

you're a member of the "scrum me hard, Keith!" mafia, along with [one or more players]. you can communicate with [that player or those players] here:

you're ultra-macho, which means that if any other member of the mafia would die at night, you'll die instead, and you are immune to any actions that would protect you from death.

each night, you can target a player to attempt to learn that player's role. I will then send you 4 questions from the questionnaire, at most one of which will have been submitted by your target. you will then guess whether any of the questions were written by that player, and if so, which one, and if you got it right, you will learn that player's role.

your faction also has access to a kill each night. you may freely use your kill along with any other powers that you have access to.

if the day 3 vigilante, the backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante, and the backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup day 3 vigilante die, you will become the day 3 vigilante.

the first time you would die as a result of being killed by another player during the day, you will instead not die.

[Vecna]

Strangely enough though, the snarky wagon never even changed a single vote going by the votelogs. It was literally stagnant for days with all 7 votes on it remaining unchanged.....

[Vecna]

Well youre definately in the potential scumpool marble, even if youre not scum you should be realizing as much

[Vecna]

Id still really like a shot at snarky though to get some clarity on my role and the general outline of this game. A second shot at eddie-fenix or marble is fine as well.

Having some clarity about why that night-msg was sent to everyone would also be lovely. Im inclined to think it just came from scum, allthough scum broadcasters are kinda weird (but that would not be very surprising in this game).

Maybe the broadcast was just a mod troll and it was automated based on some outcome of the survey.

[Vecna]

Scumteam + survivors + unknown 3rd party setup:

16 players voting for

Dunkerdoodles

(

mastina, mastina, mastina

,

drealmerz7, drealmerz7

,

Desperado, Desperado, randomidget, randomidget

,

MarioManiac4

,

ActionDan, ActionDan

,

chesskid3, chesskid3

)
7 players voting for

SnarkySnowman

(

Vecna, Vecna

,

Srceenplay

,

Chickadee, Chickadee

,

Llamarble, Llamarble

)
3 players voting for

drealmerz7

(

EddieFenix, EddieFenix

, Not_Mafia)

With orange colours being likely bussers or people trying to protect Dunker, chesskid as a survivor that were never gonna lynch or shoot

Scumteam + survivors + third party faction / 2nd scumteam setup:

16 players voting for

Dunkerdoodles

(

mastina, mastina, mastina

,

drealmerz7, drealmerz7

,

Desperado, Desperado, randomidget, randomidget

,

MarioManiac4

,

ActionDan, ActionDan

,

chesskid3, chesskid3

)
7 players voting for

SnarkySnowman

(

Vecna, Vecna

,

Srceenplay

,

Chickadee, Chickadee

,

Llamarble, Llamarble

)
3 players voting for

drealmerz7

(

EddieFenix, EddieFenix

, Not_Mafia)

With yellow being the most likely 2nd scumteam or 3rd party scumteam faction

Either way, this is a pretty precarious position for town, and we need to get the shots correct today or it might be a lylo lynch.

[Vecna]

Actually, if there was a town-vig that shot mario......that shit should probably be claimed at this point. Maybe im just seeing ghosts since noone else seems to be even considering the 2nd scenario here, but something iffy is going on in this game.

RM, ActionDan - when are you guys gonna start doing stuff and allowing yourself to be read one way or the other?

[Vecna]

Why do you make no mention whatsoever of RM and ActionDan?

[Vecna]

is that treestump something you can do at any point in time? Or is the switch a night-only action?

[Vecna]

We already confirmed that people didnt get what they asked for in that question screenplay.

But hey, if you think he did roll mafia, we should be shooting/lynching him regardless

[Vecna]

That is......quite the interesting reveal/claim there snarky.

So youre saying the survivors are all independant of one another? And that youre one of those independant survivors?

[Vecna]

Drealmerz, so you think that noone was bussing Dunker? With that role he had?

[Vecna]

Snarky, youre still claiming to be town here? Or are you one of those 3p factions?

[Vecna]

How did you get all this information then? Part of your role, or did you get to ask questions to the mod?

[Vecna]

so why did you wait this long to provide us with all this information?

[Vecna]

annoyingly enough I might be starting to believe you

[Vecna]

bullit to the head obviously

[Vecna]

Not impressed with ActionDan here either.......his play is very very far from his play in the dance game i played with him recently, where he was an incredibly easy townread.

[Vecna]

/popcorn

[Vecna]

Just snipe someone else desperado, im quite sure Chess has dibs on eddie and we wouldnt want a wasted double shot

[Vecna]

Marble, im surprised youre still constantly scumreading me here, while to me it feels like there really is no good reason for doing so whatsoever. Your reasoning just feels off. Im used to it from drealmerz, to...as you put it "hold me down all game" but from you it feels off.

You sheeped me yesterday, you;ve been having almost the exact same reads as me throughout the game (at least after you jumped the survivor ship) - yet you think im scum. It just doesnt add up to me.

[Vecna]

slow crosspost there - anyways

Marble, my radar is extremely finely tuned to when people get defensive and have something you hide. You had something to hide and you were being defensive during that initial exchange. Your tune changed, but your logic is still weird to me. Maybe theres some irritation from being forced out of your initial role there that is still directed at me.

Also, I was -NOT- having fun yesterday. That posting restriction in that pressure situation was really frustrating.

[Vecna]

Also im really curious why my role only "somewhat excuses" my 3P obsession. Why wouldnt I want to find out the survivors and track down actual threats with my limited use ability?

[Vecna]

Yeah I sure do love a good bus, and if scum didnt majorly bus dunker there with that role that he had, it wouldve been quite the missed opportunity for them. But never overestimate the opposition I guess.

At any rate, I have a plan for sorting the snarky scenario, so I no longer feel he should be shot/lynched today.

Also, we still have a kill of last night unaccounted for, and the 4th survivor that we do not know about. I doubt any scum or survivor would wanna kill mario with the pressure the slot was under......

Snarky, does your information state it very clearly that all the 3p are survivors, and that they cannot be SK's? Im still confused why my role would be added to this setup if your information is correct.