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Roles might have flavor justification but that doesn't mean that it will be good flavor justification and it doesn't mean that there will be a correlation between how town someone looks and how powerful their role is.In post 53, V Lexaeus wrote:As for Roxas... He's a special case. In flavor, he's the key (literally) to the Organization's entire scheme until the Oblivion Squad screws it up vying for power, and he runs away.- XI Marluxia
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If these were my thoughts so far (my heart really isn't into scumhunting, I haven't found anything interesting yet), and someone asked me to expand on my reads, I think that my response would be something along the lines of "I'm Marluxia, go fuck yourself". My question is why you decided to copy all of your notes over for Lexaeus's sake; it's not like you weren't doing anything while everyone else is having a big scumhunting party, and it's not like he'll be able to read you by your half-thoughts as opposed to when you have things you actually want to talk about.In post 64, X Luxord wrote:You're right, my ISO has been basically all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
I can copy all of my thoughts on everyone here, but my heart really isn't into anything regarding scumhunting yet. Like, I won't be proactive now but I think it can be assumed that I will be eventually? I really don't think there are any motivations to be found by my lack of productivity.
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How did I get the worst description...?In post 87, Heartless wrote:someone who just put saran wrap over the toilet- XI Marluxia
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It will probably be much easier to tell everyone apart later in the game when we all have contributed more than the same 5 useless posts. Alternatively, we could all make up distinctive call signs based on our avatars and names!!In post 85, X Luxord wrote:...I might just have to replace out. Even when reading on my main, the avatars and usernames are just too similar. It's confusing the hell out of me and I don't know why it's just me and it's really frustrating to have to check names and people again and again. I'll give it one more try tonight.
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The Graceful Assassin has arrived, so you may bow to the true master of Castle Oblivion. If you have anything that you'd like for me to read or address while I'm catching up, please do so as soon as possible. If your questions are asking me general opinions of players, please avoid wasting the time of us both and hold that questions until after the show.- XI Marluxia
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I like Larxene's early moxie and I think the claim is more likely to come from town. Investigation-Immune is an oddly difficult role to be faked (if a non-investigative fails to target you or an investigative targets you successfully you're pretty close to busted); it's useful for scum kind of but not really, and so I think there'd be a little extra in Larxene's role other than "Investigative Immune". I guess the most significant piece of early game with her is the fact that she claimed it at all; I sure as fuck wouldn't if I was in her shoes and scum.
I'm a sucker for Lexaeus's general aggression and conviction; in particular, liked the initial attack on Larxene for being like a Godfather (think that scum are generally more cautious than this even when they're comfortable taking the lead) and like the indignant tone that he emanates in posts like this one.
Don't have a significant opinion on Roxas's claim; think there's a decent chance that he's town and has some misguided reason for investigative roles targeting him, but I also think this could be a ploy from scum who benefits from getting investigated somehow.
I have two problems with Zexion's #47. For one, I don't like the attack itself - the thrust behind it seems to be that there's no reason to treat an investigation immune role claim and a "please investigate me" role claim which I think is wildly and obviously wrong. The second problem that I have with it is the accusation that Lexaeus simply hasn't "thought it through enough" - I know that it's a bit silly, but generally when I'm talking to people that I'm scumreading, I don't accuse them of not thinking things through enough - I accuse them of twisting words or misrepping and of lying.- XI Marluxia
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This is a weird line of though.In post 439, VI Zexion wrote:think it should be abundantly clear to you by now that I'm town especially given the fact that we share scumreads- XI Marluxia
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Baby steps, Zexion.In post 445, VI Zexion wrote:if you're town here you absolutely need to be getting reads and taking clear stances on wagons right now
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2) Post things worth reading - IN PROGRESS
3) Form reads - NOT STARTED
4) Push reads - NOT STARTED
5) Murder scum! - NOT STARTED- XI Marluxia
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Not quite true. I liked Larxene's aggression. That doesn't force me to like everyone who is aggressive. The reasons I disliked you initially had nothing to do with aggression and my post towards you didn't imply anything of that nature.In post 445, VI Zexion wrote:Larxene's content there is that you liked her "early moxie" and you're really liking Lexaeus' aggression yet you're apparently disliking me for being aggressive- XI Marluxia
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If I had a heart, you'd be trampling all over it. Is this really true?In post 445, VI Zexion wrote:and think that I'm wrong despite not actually engaging with any of my stances
You adopted a stance that said that Lexaeus's treatment of Roxas's and Larxene's claims were meaningfully different and that made him scummy. I engaged your stance by pointing out that their claims were meaningfully different and that's why the differing treatment made sense to me.
My second point was completely silly and completely wrong; I glossed over your "if you are town" part because I smelled blood or got lazy or barely read or something, but it certainly wasn't an observation that required me to engage with a stance of yours.- XI Marluxia
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I don't quite agree with this, actually. There are plenty of people with hard stances already, and I think having a couple of people around who are much more impressionable might be beneficial, especially since I'm not using my lack of hard stances as a way to skeeve out of choosing a preferred lynch.In post 469, VI Zexion wrote:we're getting to the stage now where people need to be taking hard stances- XI Marluxia
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I think that Xigbar is probably town. I don't think the level that he panics about the game going out of control it it's not going exactly how he desires is faked and I don't think the worry about people interpreting his imminent death as a frame kill is faked.
I think his argument that Zex is scum who hates bussing and is trying to keep their partner alive by saying they're not lynching them to spite Xigbar is a little wonky, though - if Xaldin is scum, Zex most definitely isn't.- XI Marluxia
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As we're waiting for our confirmed town quickhammer, let's all take a moment to remember this exchange:In post 476, II Xigbar wrote:I can't babysit this game indefinitely. I am 100% confident that Xaldin flips scum to the point that I'm fine offering to be lynched if they don't. They're just not town.
Nothing in their play is town motivated. The way they talk isn't town motivated. The way other people have maneuvered around trying to keep them alive isn't town motivated.
Unless there's some staunch disagreement with my townreads the only potential scum votes on them were either super short lived or made and kept by an absent slot.
Wagons don't just fucking fade out like this one has. Not with me spending the entire game sitting there. Not with him doing absolutely fucking nothing towny of note.
I'm never unvoting that slot as long as it's alive and if you managed to mentally circlejerk yourselves tomorrow into thinking I was shot to frame him then you deserve to lose.In post 482, III Xaldin wrote:Zex how the can you scumread both me and xig? It makes no sense.- XI Marluxia
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How does my post tie you two together in any way? I was merely noting that Xaldin's response to your post was hilariously awful.In post 552, II Xigbar wrote:Sorry are you jumping on the Xig was bussing bandwagon too?- XI Marluxia
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It's a vanity wagon on a town player who has prod dodged more than he's made content posts, meaning that he doesn't even need a case to vote me.In post 772, VI Zexion wrote:I kind of feel like he doesn't join what's essentially a vanity with a scumbuddy on Marluxia though; feels aligned with Marluxia to my currently addled brain???
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Because
And while no one will miss me, I will be doubling the inconvenience for Antihero and TTH, who are nice people who don't deserve it.In post 785, VI Zexion wrote:you've literally been what's made this game fun for me.- XI Marluxia
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Vote: Larxene
I liked Larxene 1.0. I feel very strongly that the Axel claim is a scumclaim to buy him an extra day, but don't have the charisma to push that lynch through. I don't think following a townread on a good vote is the "stupidest thing ever"; I think voting said townread would be the "stupidest thing ever".- XI Marluxia
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I don't really like you whining about all lurkers not being treated fairly by Saix. I don't think that it's a real attempt to read him, especially when he said that he was willing to lynch me earlier, when he had more reasons to jump your shit other than "not posting enough", and when he was pretty open about you not being a significant read for him earlier, just the most significant.In post 916, VIII Axel wrote:Can someone explain to me a world where Saix will tunnel down my throat for "not posting enough in-game content" but doesn't say shit about Marluxia other than calling him a SR once and forgetting about him the entire game?
I was playing around with voting you earlier but I see no reason why I shouldn't now; your role does look town but scum play is scum play.
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I have a few problems with Vexen. I do think that you have a point that his attacks look slimy. I think his exchange with you (what little I've read of it, I get bored trying to make sense of it) seems like he's more interested in educating you on how to behave properly and talk about how much he likes Thor and how you're not him - not sure how that's supposed to be him reading you. I think that his attack on Roxas for faking the double vote is super duper bad (and also think it's a bit fishy that he didn't defend Larxene during that time if she was one of his top town reads but I might be misremembering the sequence of events there).In post 892, II Xigbar wrote:Marluxia, you think that Axel is scum? How do you feel about Vexen chainsawing the fuck out of everyone who goes after him? Everyone, that is, except Zexion, who he only asks questions to.
What do you think of my commentary on Axel's odd "Why me" post?The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Your attack on Saix was slimy because of how hard you tunneled on an insignificant basis. The thrust of your case against him was that his tunnel on Axel had bad reasoning supporting it, and you ignored places where he looked town in his push on Axel. If I were in your position and townreading Marluxia as hard as you were, I would have defended her harder before the deadline lynch have. The nature of your read seemed like it was beneficial to a scum you. I thought your attack on Roxas for "lying" was shallow - no town motivation, perhaps, but didn't see the scum motivation you do.In post 925, IV Vexen wrote:<snip>
I'm not super interested in having a big drawn out discussion like you seem to be. My observations are not definite scum tells, simply things that I think make sense coming from you as scum. If you are concerned about me townreading you, continue scumhunting and playing the game and with any luck I'll be able to town read you in the end. If you are concerned about reading me, attack me.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Why is Axel's role town? It blocks a kill, sure, but it doesn't allow town power roles to action, and it doesn't give us an additional mislynch.In post 973, IV Vexen wrote:Axel is town by role.
I dislike this read. I think it's a lazy position and one that a partner is likely to take, as Xigbar noted before.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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You and I are cut from different cloths, Vexen. Whereas it might be in character for me to sheep and prod dodge for the entirety of a day, you've written beautiful poetry about how great and persuasive and hard to lynch you are. Shouldn't a player of your caliber be defending your townread with righteous indignation?In post 1028, IV Vexen wrote:<snip>
"He claims mason as scum!" doesn't justify pushing on something that lacks scum motivation. The rest of your posting is either something that I've explained already, or is something that I don't feel will be productive to engage.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Axel's role looks town, which means that it's more likely town than not in a vacuum. Vexen is pretending his role confirms him as town, which just isn't the case.In post 1033, VI Zexion wrote:I'm a little bothered by 1007; you seem to doubt that Axel's role is town but you held the same opinion in 920The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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I don't know what you mean by talk reads.In post 1046, VI Zexion wrote:Does that mean you'd prefer not to talk reads?
I don't do reads lists, and I've already talked about the reads I feel like talking about. Are you asking me to "talk reads" because you have concerns with my reads? Are you trying to get a read on me?The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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I'd defend Saix and Xigbar from a lynch.In post 1050, VI Zexion wrote:I'm not really interested in readslist either Marluxia; I want to hear about whichever reads you have right now that you care about. I don't feel like I have a real sense of what your reads are by going through your ISO and I'd like that to change.
I'd complain if a Roxas one was going through, but I don't really know why.
I would prefer if one of Axel or Vexen gets lynched.
I think these reads are clear enough in my ISO, minus Roxas. What are yours?The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Vote: Vexen
Demyx, if you are being annoyed, I highly encourage that you jump on board. Roxas probably isn't happening today unless I am completely wrong about thread sentiment and it makes sense to give Xaldin a chance to prove himself with a triple track so you might as well do something that will make you happy.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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This is like rain on my wedding day, if such a thing actually was ironic.In post 1099, VI Zexion wrote:Marluxia my reads are that I think there's a pretty good chance you're scum with Demyx and either Xaldin or Luxord.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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And this is like when two kids are talking behind your back and then they laugh and point at you but when you confront them they act like nothing happened.
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Your argument here is that Saix asked one good question and told someone to stop tunneling them and thus he was faking his competence level the entire game and is thus scum. This is an insane argument to make.In post 1129, IV Vexen wrote:This is not only a well reasoned post, but an excellent one. It's excellence shining through like this one that make me sure that Saix on D1 was faking his competence level. Town has 0 reason to fake their confidence level. At all.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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In post 1109, VIII Axel wrote:
These posts are what fuel my Vexen TR.In post 1107, IV Vexen wrote:FTR, I have varying degrees of townreads or needs a cop reads on everyone except
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I'm fairly certain lynching those four is an autowin, and I don't want Xal to go before using his triple-track so he has to be tomorrow. Today, Saix has given me the impression that he actually does know what he's doing, which is even more damning of his behavior D1. Pretending to be VI to get townreads is not at all something town does, and I can definitely see someone trying that in this.
Not gonna vote there until Xig gets his chance to make me laugh with an attempt at lynching me, but I'm almost certainly gonna vote there later.In post 1113, VIII Axel wrote:
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-Why is Axel scumreading Saix?In post 1183, VIII Axel wrote:Xigbar did comment on the buddy buddy tho
-Why does Vexen's post look town?
-Why did Axel feel the need to post #1183?
Next on: the Chronicles of Axel's posts that no one cares about but probably should!!The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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It seems more understandable to me for a town player to see a weird claim that doesn't benefit town at all and push on them until someone goes "that doesn't make sense, millers are totally a thing" than it does for a scum player to pretend that they don't know millers exist and then back off later. Why would scum make a push that they knew was stupid and knew would later be debunked unless the playerlist was completely incompetent?In post 1294, X Luxord wrote:If I'm wrong make me understand why I'm wrong here?
I also think town is more likely than scum to jump to conclusions like that; if he was scum, he would know Larxene was town and thus would be less liable to see odd points in her claim. I don't think scum would make a push like that for towncred.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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I don't really care who they are. This is how townies play.In post 1283, X Luxord wrote:I was feeling really confident that Xig was town. Then I realized who they probably are and it completely fucked everything.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Not everything that you believe is true. You may have a strong opinion on the "right way to play mafia", but there isn't an established right way to play mafia.In post 1191, IV Vexen wrote:There are places where he demonstrates an understanding of mafia and how to play it that directly clash with other posts he makes where he demonstrates no such understandings.
If he's new but has a few games under his belt, some of your discrepancies are null and void.
He hasn't talked about his skill level at all and hasn't pretended to be a caricature of a mafia player, so the only reason you think he's new is because you disagree with some things that he said. That's insane.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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If you bring the fire and get a Vexen wagon back, you have my scythe. If you don't, I'll be protecting my town reads in the best way I have available to me - supporting wagons that aren't completely terrible.In post 1321, II Xigbar wrote:Yes they're both scum so why did you unvote one of themThe Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Your argument seems to be that Luxord should understand your suspicion of his vote because my vote came after his and didn't have reasoning behind it and could or could not be a bus. I wouldn't be convinced by that argument, although I don't really know what "being convinced" looks like when presented with an argument like this one.In post 1427, VI Zexion wrote:you voted Demyx with reasoning that may or may not be good, if you're town and Demyx is scum and Marluxia is scum then she hopped on for the bus at basically the exact moment you'd expect.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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In post 1504, VIII Axel wrote:I know I owe a longer post but I wholy disagree but respect Xemnas' opinion. Reeks of scum fustration.One can only hope.
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Confirmable killing roles aren't exactly common scum claims - additional killing power is pretty unbalanced in scum hands and claiming something that will get you killed the instant you can't prove it when there are a number of people in your corner seems like a weird play.In post 1528, I Xemnas wrote:
A better way of saying it would be that I don't think the kind of player Saix appears to be would claim this as scum.In post 1525, XIII Roxas wrote:
I do but I've got no intention of pushing that through, so.In post 1510, I Xemnas wrote:I don't think a scum player would claim this.
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Xemnas, didn't you say earlier that you were scumhunting based on people's interactions with you? You don't have a comment for this at all?In post 1504, VIII Axel wrote:I wholy disagree but respect Xemnas' opinion.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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The passive ability is pretty great if you were a universal townread and someone who was likely to be killed by scum. The active one is pretty great if you're widely suspected.In post 1533, VII Saix wrote:I would like to use my passive killing ability (death for someone who nightkills me) rather than active killing ability (vig).
The first ability ensures a town till the endgame. If I use my vig ability, I will be an effective VT and have less of a use to the town.
As of right now, you fit into the second category. Maybe you can rally the town to stand behind you, but people are dumb and unless you pull out some crazy stops you're probably going to have to resort to using the active killing ability.The Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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For Lord Vexen, breaker of games, a tribute from your loyal servant:
In post 1509, VII Saix wrote:*If someone targets me at night for a nightkillThe Graceful Assassin- XI Marluxia
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Axel's commentary on his PT interactions seems genuine, which means that I think that Zexion-Axel is considerably more unlikely than I did before. Axel's interactions with Vexen and Vexen's interactions with him still bother me, but Zexion neighborizing Axel to essentially stick his tongue out at Xigbar doesn't exactly inspire confidence.The Graceful Assassin - XI Marluxia
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