Micro 738: Fountain of Tired Souls [Endgame]

[Purple Nurple]

Yo Jill we get benefits from you targeting us just so you know. <3

[Purple Nurple]

Oh wait derp.
I got that backwards.
Piano Women for the win by the way. <3

[Purple Nurple]

hydra of Eddie Cane and Mastina

[Purple Nurple]

hydra of Eddie Cane and Mastina

^What he said.

I'll give town-scum in a bit but right now I came in to say:
JaeReed, You'll Be In My Heart.

<3

[Purple Nurple]

/confirm

I feel like I should know your picks off of girlfriend-privvy knowledge but I am ashamed to admit that I can't remember any of our conversations on the subject of the game. But you being you I imagine vice-versa is not the case. <3

Would you like to be our strongest townread N1?

[Purple Nurple]

/confirm

Town?

/confirm

Scum?

wait wtf lol i got a PMs aying its night but its day right?

Scum!

Confirmation is impossible since we cannot confirm we even exist.

Philosopher.

VOTE: gerryoat.
HURT: Nahdia.
HURT WITH A BLADE: Aristophanes.

[Purple Nurple]

(The blade is a sword. Owned by a certain obsequious courtier I believe. )

[Purple Nurple]

JaeReed
Impoetic
Oggs Benedict
Lil Uzi Vert
Aristophanes
osuka
Nahdia
gerryoat

[Purple Nurple]

Am I already a void within your reads, Violet Twist?

Nope! There's a read there. <3

[Purple Nurple]

Hey guys
What's shaking?

gerryoat is confscum; you should be voting him. <3

[Purple Nurple]

Oh my god I know which character you are.
Did you deliberately choose him off of flavor knowledge of what he'd be like or did you just happen to randomly stumble into him?

[Purple Nurple]

(I hate visits from him in the game tho. He's the one and only customer who I've failed to serve perfectly thusfar in the game.)

[Purple Nurple]

(Small critique tho: you're being too coherent to be fully in-character.)

[Purple Nurple]

My GOD I love actually having flavor knowledge of the source material you have just no idea how easy it makes it to be youthful and energetic and full of ~passion~. <3
(Btw I submitted four awesome ladies as my picks, one of them was Jill and I figured I prolly wouldn't get her but I was happy and content with my other three especially since I think the one I DID get is highly appropriate for having my girlfriend in the game~ <3)

[Purple Nurple]

(Small critique tho: you're being too coherent to be fully in-character.)

(Also you're not being outlandish enough. You need to not only be even more incoherent, but also more full of bullshit.)

[Purple Nurple]

(My picks btw were Blonde, Multiple Choice Past, and Black-Dog's-Companion btw. These are sufficiently vague that I'm pretty sure only one person will be able to guess all three. )

[Purple Nurple]

vc

Very Cute~ <3

[Purple Nurple]

hi mastina

Hi gerry!

I'd say I'm sorry that you landed scum, but...it really makes this game be :easymode: so...I'm really not!

[Purple Nurple]

how did you know? is it my black clothing?

Nope! You are scum because this is your scumgame.

Right now I'm mostly hunting for your partner since it's a given that you're going to flip scum; I just need to find your scumbuddy and then we can have a literally-picture-perfect game. <3

[Purple Nurple]

hahahahaha i love it when everyone thinks they can meta read me on this site

I don't recall stating anything about it being a meta read.

[Purple Nurple]

I stand by my statement! I don't recall stating anything about it being a meta read.

[Purple Nurple]

i tried to read the rules and i dont understand so. ill be back when we are out of rvs

We

are

out of the RVS.

I'm dead serious.

gerryoat is confscum here.

[Purple Nurple]

when you come to 4 pages and half are your hydra

[Purple Nurple]

mastina, why did you reveal that our role pm has gerry as scum?

[Purple Nurple]

alisae can we just get a hydra pt

[Purple Nurple]

@Purrnerd
why didn't you think nahdia was town? for the post you quoted, for which you made a point of townreading me but scumreading them, which was actually pretty towny for both imo

Oh right Impo you know a lot about me secondhand but you haven't

actually

encountered me before.

You're town and you're nice and I really really really don't want to be a jerk like I normally would be by giving an absolute nonanswer but I can't actually give you a proper answer right now. Basically think fucking voodoo shit combined with it not being just the quoted posts.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: gerry ill vote this tho

<3 <3 <3

[Purple Nurple]

no.

[Purple Nurple]

HURT: Purple Nurple

Okay change of plans.

VOTE: JaeReed.

HoS: gerryoat.
HURT: gerryoat.
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat

.

One.
JaeReed, as town, should know EXACTLY what I am softclaiming here and have picked up on what exactly I'm going for since I am not at all a subtle person and furthermore I even aimed my breadcrumbs

literally directly at them

.

Two.
Say JaeReed was theoretically dense enough to actually somehow not notice what I was saying to them. Let's even offer the other option that JaeReed did see what I said and knows what I am and yet is going to insist that it doesn't make me town.

Well then

, that latter option itself would be especially condemning because JaeReed NEVER misreads me and prides themselves on having that perfect accuracy and I've absolutely bled town here and JaeReed should be picking up on everything that makes me so happy and giddy to be in this game and why it absolutely is not my scumplay.

Three.
Let's say in some bizarro world JaeReed did in fact misread me. Or let's give JaeReed some extra leniency here and say that JaeReed wasn't really scumreading me at all so much as greeting me or maybe just maybe prodding at me. I can buy either of those as possible. JaeReed should still know that gerryoat here is very, very, very, VERY transparently scum. And them not having recognized it. Them NOT having voted there. Is effectively a scumclaim. JaeReed would refuse to bus. JaeReed would as town recognize that gerry is scum here. gerry is scum, yet JaeReed is focusing elsewhere. COMPLETELY elsewhere. In the form of Impoetic and us.

Four.
Even aside from that JaeReed's posting and entrance thusfar has sucked. Even if I had absolutely no meta at all. Fresh start, zero meta whatsoever on Jae. If this were our first games together. I'd still be voting JaeReed because Jae's posting is just...

bad

.

[Purple Nurple]

alisae can we just get a hydra pt

We have one; you should really check the PT forum.

I also explained my Jae/gerry stance there!

[Purple Nurple]

I can't actually give you a proper answer right now. Basically think fucking voodoo shit combined with it not being just the quoted posts.

God I hate not having JaeReed as a reliable resource since it's only like 50/50 on whether they'd give a good/accurate answer to this but as town I'd know they'd be all too happy to give a like 90-99% accurate answer. I've rambled on it before but basically there's a ~process~ to it; I'm simultaneously bullshitting while NOT bullshitting in that there is a method to the madness yet also an acknowledged madness in the method. It relies heavily on gut and just me ~reading into things~.

I want to explain this but right now I'm waiting for like half the game to give more posts before I can give better elaboration. osuka/Nahdia/JaeReed/Aristophanes are all players I want to explain but I don't want to explain right now. LUV it wouldn't harm to have extra too.

[Purple Nurple]

Right so I may or may not be done with my date which means I may or may not have the time to post here and respond to things but.
VOTE: gerryoat.
HEAL: JaeReed.

I'll need to read things more detailed (I just skimmed) in a bit but for now placing our vote back where it belongs. (I was never going to let gerry off the hook today--gerry is my strongest scumread and will never stop being my strongest scumread but I knew that it'd be more valuable for hunting his partner if we moved our vote, so. Will explain in detail later but I'm pretty sure this vote's not moving again because we got what we needed I think. My mind's kinda in that place where I've got an idea and reads and stuff and it's just racing by me too fast right now so I need to slow down and process the information but when I do I think the game's solved.)

[Purple Nurple]

I can't words right now but.
Impoetic
JaeReed
Oggs Benedict
Lil Uzi Vert
osuka
Aristophanes
Nahdia
gerryoat

I mean my reads aren't as strong as I'd prefer save gerry but.

[Purple Nurple]

ok this feels like an overreaction. i have gerry slightly leaning scum now.

Wanna back that with a vote?

[Purple Nurple]

osuka + gerry?

[Purple Nurple]

at least one mafia is lurking because low activity is key for mafia imo.

not necessarily true. Activity is universally nai ime, unless someone's trying to coast or something - but then that's another problem entirely, and it should be more obvious than just 'x player is lurking too much'

There is one player that I would classify as a lurker who could be scum.

[Purple Nurple]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

You know you can fake towntell all you'd like but you're not going to fool anyone with it.

[Purple Nurple]

(Quite the opposite that fake towntell should tell people gerry is scum and I can spell it out to them if they're not paying attention but this is really self-explanatory as to why that was very painfully obviously a fake towntell.)

[Purple Nurple]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

You know you can fake towntell all you'd like but you're not going to fool anyone with it.

Btw I wanted to hold onto this some more until more people would engage it but since nobody is and I can't think of anything else to post right now I might as well elaborate.

This post seems fine on the surface, right? It's a reasonable point to make. Except...

>

There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

The game is mod-confirmed to be singleball, 2:7 at that. Therein enters the argument, "oh, but it must be a townslip then!". Seems fine, right? It seems like gerry responding to that particular game rule quirk and saying multiball when it's mod-confirmed singleball would be a townslip, right?

You'd think so, but let's go check out the post in question because therein enters a problem.

>

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

>

For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

>

Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

>

Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

>

Daytalk is enabled for all.

>

There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

...Don't see it?

...Okay, so let me make it more obvious then.

>

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

>

For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

>

Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

>

Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

>

Daytalk is enabled for all.

>

There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

Look at how close these two are together. (Don't believe me? Go to the post in question and check it out for yourself!) gerry suggested multiball by quoting the first, when the second is literally right below it. It's fake. gerry is scum, who was trying to fake a towntell. But there's no way he could have actually made that mistake.

[Purple Nurple]

nah

[Purple Nurple]

Me: what the fuck I've been-- oh I guess I haven't posted recently huh

[Purple Nurple]

To be honest I'm just really sure gerryoat's scum here and yet not sure how to go about convincing people.

He's just transparently not town in anything he's doing.

[Purple Nurple]

town Eddie wouldn't be

[Purple Nurple]

To be honest I'm just really sure gerryoat's scum here and yet not sure how to go about convincing people. He's just transparently not town in anything he's doing.

Unacceptable honestly.

This is just like transparently gerryoat's scumgame on every level.
Activity? gerry as town lurks; this gerry is our top poster.
Contribution?
gerry as town gives minimal content, but when he does give content, it's at least something you can read (even if you think it's bad).
This gerry is contributing fake-townslips, pushes he doesn't really believe in, a lot of OMGUS (look at the people he's voted and then look at the people who have voted him), shitposting/spamposting, and when he gives content it's nothing tangible, not even in a bad way.

But I don't have the time/energy to explain that in any more decisive terms.
It's just.
Plain as day.
Obviously.
Not a town gerry.

Tell me, have you seen gerryoat as town?
Tell me, what about this game makes you think that this is the gerryoat as town you've seen.
Tell me, have you seen gerryoat as scum?
Tell me, what about this game makes you think that this isn't the gerryoat as scum you've seen?

Because gerryoat has ticked every box of his scumplay and none of the town ones.
He's just posting to look good.
He's not doing anything which actually

is

good.
He's making a bunch of stuff which makes it look like he has done things. When all he's really done. Is nothing.

[Purple Nurple]

is this only mastina talking? Can i talk to eddie. it seems mastina is delusional into thinking she can read me for some reason, when she's only played with me as scum one time (in a game where literally everyone of 20+ people were scum in a game except 1 random town)

You forget I read like almost every single New York game in existence.

Which you play a bundleload in.

I've seen you in a lot of games.

Furthermore, Jae taught me a few tricks in how to read you over time. Because one think Jae's done is linked me to games where you and Jae were both playing.

This is not a town-you.
I was able to, from

less than one page

, tell you were town in Alchemist21's Mini Normal.
I was able to, from

less than one page

, tell you were scum in WWF.
I was able to, immediately and correctly, identify you as town in Cutsie UPick. I may have doubted the read towards the end, but that was mostly wishful thinking in that a town-gerryoat just makes me want to sigh.

You're not making me want to sigh this game.

The way you are discrediting your own wagon.
While doing nothing.
Is just.

It's you as scum.

And Jae should be backing me here and I really wish they could give me their words on the subject too because this is just painfully transparently a scum gerryoat and I mean it when I fucking say that if we lynch gerryoat D1 this game goes :easymode: in that we are guaranteed a town win. Nothing the scum can do will work. But it requires gerryoat dead D1 in order to implement.

[Purple Nurple]

i think town mastina would at least be more reconsidering.

I only reconsider reads which were actually wrong.

[Purple Nurple]

gerry can be null for now. not sure how to read this slot because there's a lot of noise around it and i haven't given it enough attention

Oh hey thank you.
You just, albeit accidentally.
Gave a better description for gerryoat as scum than I ever could!

Newsflash!
When gerryoat is town, there is absolutely nothing there about him. Not even noise. He's just...

there

.
When gerryoat is scum, there is an overabundance of noise. Noise, noise, and more noise. It's

everywhere

.
gerryoat this game has a shitload of noise, by your own description.
And that is gerryoat as scum.

I 100% guarantee it.

[Purple Nurple]

Uzi could be scum, ye

To be honest finding gerryoat's scum partner is a little bit difficult because SO FUCKING MANY PEOPLE are defending him when he's just 100% guaranteed scum at this stage and that's frustrating because I had an earlygame locked-down read of his partner being either Nahdia or Aristophanes (see my FOSes on both slots? Still applies), and yet.

Now more people.
Are shitting the thread up with stances doubting the scumread, calling him null, or even calling him town.

I'll say you're not likely scum because you're voting him and you know what to look for the same way I do.
I'll say Impoetic isn't likely scum in spite of her unvote there because of a bundleload of reasons.
I'll say Oggs isn't likely scum because he seems to recognize that gerry is scum even if he's not currently voting there.
I'm coming to view osuka as probably being town in spite of him having defended the slot.

But Aristophanes defended gerryoat and now XnadrojX is doing the exact same thing.
Nahdia has defended the slot basically most of the game.
And Lil Uzi Vert is lurking while also refusing to recognize this is transparently a scum-gerry.

So now I don't know.
Because this was supposed to be easy and yet the town players in that bunch are making it much, much, much, MUCH harder than it should be.

[Purple Nurple]

I'd have parked my vote on Gerry if I was wave riding no?

Not if you're scumbuddies!

[Purple Nurple]

eddie and mastina are like day and night in this hydra arent they

To be honest I'm not sure if I'm smothering Eddie or if he just doesn't have his heart in the game but like. We've got 50 posts. 7 are his. The rest are all me. It's a little frustrating actually since I feel like Eddie Cane's main strength is in explaining his reads (he's basically like one of only five or so players who frequent the Normal Queue I'd call not-shit-tier since most players in Normal games are trash) and I could really use him explaining my reads because he'd do it better than I would.

[Purple Nurple]

cop claim?????

If I said yes, would you vote gerryoat?

[Purple Nurple]

Who do you suspect is his partner?

I've been holding the read close to my chest but handguns to my head, I'd say Aristophanes/XnadrojX. Aristophanes I thought was playing to his scum meta: I didn't see the "bundleload of joy", in spite of him getting a role with flavor that he should have been ecstatic about. He lurked, and he gave nothing. What he

did

give was consistent defense of gerryoat the entire time, asking what that wagon was about and so on and so forth.

There are doubts there of course! Aristophanes did decide to have a specific quirk with his posting. He did decide to replace out so it's possible a town-him simply wasn't feeling it. He could have replaced out before he got into the game, and there are other notable slots (namely Nahdia) who have resisted joining the gerryoat wagon. But that's one reason why I've wanted the lynch on gerryoat because I have a role which could clear Aristophanes if we lynched gerry right now.

[Purple Nurple]

Gerry is incapable of adjusting how he plays as scum to a player list that contains people who have a good amount of experience with him and can read him well.

Yeah, and?

Is this really so surprising to you?

People like gerryoat are not as good at being scum as most people give them credit for.

The spampost/shitpost scumplay style relies on being overly active to give the illusion of something where there is nothing, but it has a huge drawback: it's something which if you take as your style, is very very very hard to adjust on the fly when an effective counter is found. Against people who don't know how to counter the spampost/shitpost scumplay, it can be effective in that they mistakenly assume posting = effort = town, when no part of that chain is actually true. (Posting != effort; Effort != town; Posting != town.) But when the spampost/shitpost scumplay encounters a person who knows better than to make that idiotic assumption...it doesn't work out. They have no counter because they skipped basic training, as it were. Adaptability IS a core skill for a scum player to have...but most spampost/shitpost scum players

don't actually have it

, and gerryoat is among them.

[Purple Nurple]

also mastina you scumread me way before I would have "lurked" it was literally my first post of the game, so you're just bullshiting.

That's because your entrance was just so obviously fake.

wait wtf lol i got a PMs aying its night but its day right?

i thought someone got quicklynched what is happening

This is the same shit you then pulled later in the day. Same. exact. thing. You're faking a stance. There's nothing sincere in there at all. There's nothing real. There's nothing about this entrance except a cheap attempt to look town. Without actually being town. Establish early towncred for a "townslip", then use that towncred to avoid suspicion from shitty scum-motivated pushes.

heads up, i have no clue what this game flavor is, i just joined cause its alisae's game and EM ppl are in it lol.

Logic-wise there's not anything wrong with this but tone-wise this is all kinds of fake. However, here's something of a trump card.

o ok, i should read the rules of games when i join them.

You even specify here that you're going to read the rules! But then guess what you do?

ok so last micro i was in, i broke the game for ez town win. can someone tell me if somone dies at night? or is it like reversed and someone dies at day.

You haven't followed through at this point in spite of having had MANY chances; you had engaged me among others at that point. This post, aside from that, is...what's the term? I believe kids these days call it "busywork". Shown by something like this.

ok so last micro i was in, i broke the game for ez town win. can someone tell me if somone dies at night? or is it like reversed and someone dies at day.

nvm that was an open setup, i'm stupid

Doing nothing, while pretending to do something. (I call that active lurking but maybe I'm old like that.)

I'm so bored rn I thought there would be more to read.

Here you even admit that you have nothing to add.
So why didn't you take that time to do the rules-reading you had multiple times claimed you were going to do?

This, all prior to the actual time you state you are reading the rules...and then immediately and promptly miss something which was part of the rules. You said you were going to.

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

As so. You quoted something from the rules. Implying by this point you had in fact read the rules. But then that ignores how multiball would be impossible. By those same rules.

This isn't even close to everything.

At every step of the way, every point, gerryoat lives, breathes, bleeds, oozes, scum.
Because this is his scumplay.

[Purple Nurple]

I can do Oggs.

I can't.

[Purple Nurple]

Impoetic
JaeReed
Oggs Benedict
osuka

Lil Uzi Vert
Nahdia
Aristophanes/XnadrojX
gerryoat

Not really much has changed because guess what, not much in the game has changed.
gerryoat is still basically confscum.
Finding his partner is problematic.
I don't want to mislynch.
Because if we mislynch hunting for gerry's partner then all sorts of things go wrong.
You don't let the confscum live because you're hunting for a scumbuddy.
You fucking lynch the confscum and THEN hunt the scumbuddy.
Basic order of operations here.

[Purple Nurple]

i don't like how mastina is acting. this is strictly meta even though unfortunately i am not at liberty to elaborate on it

Your meta is shit because it is literally

rats-ass backwards and

you fucking KNOW it is

.

mastina makes walls and intricate connections that are sometimes borderline bullshit when pushing someone as town.

THAT IS LITERALLY
MY SCUMGAME
AND YOU ARE CALLING ME SCUM FOR NOT DOING IT.

I repeat.
YOU ARE CALLING ME SCUM.
FOR NOT DOING THE THING WHICH IS ONE OF MY LARGEST FUCKING SIGNATURE SCUMTELLS.

Rats. ass. backwards.

mastina, why is oggs town?

Counterpoint: why is Oggs scum? There's two scum in the game; there are seven town. Balance of probability, a player is more likely town than not by default so the burden of proof is on those making the accusation. I've seen no case for why Oggs would be scum aside from "lol lurking" which isn't that applicable since he is by FAR not the slot most guilty of that.

In contrast, Oggs had a very strong opening. He took stances immediately and since then has shown read progression. Quite frankly I don't

like

the read progression since I feel his reads got worse, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, reads HAVE progressed from him and the

way

they have progressed is far more likely to be town than not. So again. What the fuck. Makes him scum. Because there's literally nothing.

[Purple Nurple]

NEVER FEAR EDDIE IS JERE

[Purple Nurple]

eddie and mastina are like day and night in this hydra arent they

To be honest I'm not sure if I'm smothering Eddie or if he just doesn't have his heart in the game but like. We've got 50 posts. 7 are his. The rest are all me. It's a little frustrating actually since I feel like Eddie Cane's main strength is in explaining his reads (he's basically like one of only five or so players who frequent the Normal Queue I'd call not-shit-tier since most players in Normal games are trash) and I could really use him explaining my reads because he'd do it better than I would.

I usually shitpost and lurk early on, sometimes I'll tryhard but it requires a specific playerlist. but, alas, dumbo scum think they can mislynch us. so here I come

[Purple Nurple]

in 299 I meant scum. I know that's dumb but believe me if you want

you and i both know where the read comes from and you and i both know i can't talk about it. It's not backwards and i'm p sure you're scum because you were borderline making shit up. I mean look at 214, that push is fucking dumb

what did we borderline make up?

[Purple Nurple]

imp is lock town

[Purple Nurple]

I actually want to lynch Aristophanes/Jordan today if it's up to me.

Aristophanes biggest scumtell is the same as thinkbigs. he hates rolling scum. even if he's not admitting it, that's a very likely reason he's unable to get into the game. he also posts significantly less as scum. additionally, Jordan is pretty much useless as any alignment though I will try to sort him. actually, I just read atisto's iso. I think he's town. he's engaging somewhat and it doesn't sound like what but tonally he doesn't usually make posts like 43 as scum. Jordan also seemed townie on entrance, I'm from his home site and I've never seen him enter a game like that (granted only seen him as scum very rarely it's mostly town meta).

Aristo slot is town.

[Purple Nurple]

so imp/aristo/us aren't getting lynched today let's move along the poe

[Purple Nurple]

wait! I said us! why aren't we getting lynched today?

[Purple Nurple]

when reading mastina I was waffling on his alignment. his pushes are pretty whack, but after I've rolled it over in my head it's pretty transparently town albeit possibly misguided. if you actually read mastinas post and you have any competence with tone reads you should know she's obv town. if anyone here tone reads and wants to argue that I think you're bad at tone reading and should stop before you gamethrow more than you probably already have with garbage tone reads in past games. I don't hydra with players I don't like, and I am happy to point out when my hydra partners are scumfucks. I also point out when I sub into a scummy slot despite that tell (idr the name) people talk about. Admitting they look scummy is useful for getting reads; as an outsider, you can read things - ie when scum are wking and town is mislynching - that you can't objectively when you're in the interactions. mastina is obviously town here, so what that tells me is if gerrys town scum is probably buddying her and if gerrys scum the other scum is probably chainsawing - there's no bussing going on right now idt. I'm going to read the game more in-depth than isos, and mastina being town are the best interactions.

to be clear, there's no chance in fuck I'm letting this hydra get mislynched. gonna go catch the team now.

[Purple Nurple]

if gerry is town imp is scum

[Purple Nurple]

jae is town

[Purple Nurple]

im not unvoting gerry unless he unvotes me. it's not gonna happen. nuh-uh.

Purpler, i thought you wanted second scum first, so why are you so eager to have

everyone

voting gerry? I'm confused already.

bad

[Purple Nurple]

at least one mafia is lurking because low activity is key for mafia imo.

the fuck is this lmao

[Purple Nurple]

im pretty sure this is multiball, btw. in some shape or form.

Nd this

[Purple Nurple]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

wait a sec. you might actually be scum

[Purple Nurple]

Can someone talk to me about Nahdia?

Hi I have experience with nahdia. As town she replaces after a bit and as scum she doesn't.

Hey now...

LUV, I can talk about me. I'm playing a lot more lax than I usually do because I'm back from a few month hiatus from mafia and I've got other stuff on my plate and also I just don't want to get quite as invested as I used to because this game seriously stressed me out at times.

Since you wanted to talk about me, what's your thoughts?

Slight townreads on osuka and Oggs rn, btw. Now watch them be the team.

why are either town

[Purple Nurple]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose.

also this tips me to it being multiball. just the wording

You know you can fake towntell all you'd like but you're not going to fool anyone with it.

Btw I wanted to hold onto this some more until more people would engage it but since nobody is and I can't think of anything else to post right now I might as well elaborate.

This post seems fine on the surface, right? It's a reasonable point to make. Except...

>

There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

The game is mod-confirmed to be singleball, 2:7 at that. Therein enters the argument, "oh, but it must be a townslip then!". Seems fine, right? It seems like gerry responding to that particular game rule quirk and saying multiball when it's mod-confirmed singleball would be a townslip, right?

You'd think so, but let's go check out the post in question because therein enters a problem.

>

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

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For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

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Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

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Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

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Daytalk is enabled for all.

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There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

...Don't see it?

...Okay, so let me make it more obvious then.

>

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

>

For flavour purposes, Days will be refered to as Nights.

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Alignment was rolled before flavour and roles, as such Flavour is NAI.

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Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

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Daytalk is enabled for all.

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There is 2 groupscum and 7 townies.

Look at how close these two are together. (Don't believe me? Go to the post in question and check it out for yourself!) gerry suggested multiball by quoting the first, when the second is literally right below it. It's fake. gerry is scum, who was trying to fake a towntell. But there's no way he could have actually made that mistake.

this never comes from scum, osuka.

[Purple Nurple]

is this only mastina talking? Can i talk to eddie. it seems mastina is delusional into thinking she can read me for some reason, when she's only played with me as scum one time (in a game where literally everyone of 20+ people were scum in a game except 1 random town)

you can talk to me. I've reread up to this point and I'm almost sure jae+imp are town and you're scum. it is pure coincidence mastina has the same reads. they both claim to have meta on you, and two seperate strong players hard sring you on meta is bad. additionally, you haven't made me feel good about any of your content. why should I townread you?

ftr I do not think your "townslip" is ai.

[Purple Nurple]

quick thoughts from class before i have time to actually catch up:

mastina makes walls and intricate connections that are sometimes borderline bullshit when pushing someone as town. I don't know if it's eddie posting a lot but i don't feel great about the hydra
gerry can be null for now. not sure how to read this slot because there's a lot of noise around it and i haven't given it enough attention
impoetic seems to have been tunneling gerry but given that i have zero experience with her, i don't really know what that means alignment-wise, if anything
lil uzi looks like he's riding the wave, but I could be mistaken here. I'll look better into his iso because something about this slot raises flags but I can't quite put a finger on what it is

I think you're scum tho. this post is literally disgusting.

[Purple Nurple]

Tell me stuff

I can read you. so get your ass online and start posting actual content.

[Purple Nurple]

I have an idea but you would have to trust me here going into the Night. Or the Day in this case..

Who do you suspect is his partner? I'll be willing to help lynch there as I don't have a single town read and I'm not opposed to any lynch. I just like something solid because basically what you're telling me here is that Gerry is incapable of adjusting how he plays as scum to a player list that contains people who have a good amount of experience with him and can read him well.

Gerry thinks mastina only has 1 game with him and thinks nobody can meta him. you can't fix a problem you don't want to acknowledge is real.

[Purple Nurple]

I think luv is town

[Purple Nurple]

in 299 I meant scum. I know that's dumb but believe me if you want

you and i both know where the read comes from and you and i both know i can't talk about it. It's not backwards and i'm p sure you're scum because you were borderline making shit up. I mean look at 214, that push is fucking dumb

I don't know where it comes from and that wasn't my push

[Purple Nurple]

in 299 I meant scum. I know that's dumb but believe me if you want

you and i both know where the read comes from and you and i both know i can't talk about it. It's not backwards and i'm p sure you're scum because you were borderline making shit up. I mean look at 214, that push is fucking dumb

what did we borderline make up?

35, 42, 214, and 314 strike me as dumb

314 especially is a non-post

35 is equivalent of rvs, the fuck is wrong with 42, 214 might be "dumb" but it's 100% from town, how is 314 a non post on any planet especially compared to your iso

[Purple Nurple]

I actually want to lynch Aristophanes/Jordan today if it's up to me.

Aristo slot is town.

literally what. lol

I decided they were town while casing them. problem?

[Purple Nurple]

do you guys think i'd really dumbtell like that just to be TR? i'm not some noob

no, I dont. I also don't think scum would argue like mastina did and I think the fact you are defaulting to scumreading us instead of just calling us bad town means you're either scum or town who's intentionally not trying to be unbiased

[Purple Nurple]

Jae has played like 3 games with me.

Impoetic has unvoted me and said she basically only voted me to survive the lynch today.

Nahdia has the most experience with me and i think TRs me idk. at least doesnt SR me enough to vote me today.

so what are you saying?

I think mastina is better than all of those players and that's why I wanted to hydra with her. but let's ignore that. I've played 20 games with transcend, I can meta him and not the reverse. I've played 20 games with vedith and can't, though I'm better him than vice versa. I've played 20 games with Titus and am still bad at reading her, though it's the same reverse. My q to you is, do you believe imp and nahdia can meta you? to impia, do you believe you can? because if not you're trying to say other played with you more and can't meta you and therefore no-one can which is a false conclusion

[Purple Nurple]

why should I townread you?

I don't care if you townread me or not, I care the fact that mastina thinks she can meta me. she has given me 0 legit reasons why she thinks i'm scum. i hate when people say they can "read" me when it's always BS. I think you're easier to talk to though, cause talking to her is like talking to a brick wall. why do you SR me? so far the only things you've quoted was me not understanding the rules.

well you should vare, because me townreading you is the difference between you being lynched today and someone else. mastina also didn't give 0 legit reasons. I wouldn't be engaging you if I was sure you were scum, so go wild

[Purple Nurple]

because if you're town and have a decent reason, you can just be bad town. mafia's reasons never make sense

town can definitely have shitty reasons, and mafia can definitely make sense. I actually think mafia make more sense as a whole because they tend to stick to factual stuff. I also don't think mastinas reasons have been necessarily shitty, which is another point.

[Purple Nurple]

gerry, after you're done replying to the above posts, who's scum if I reveal as ic here? what's your osuka read seeing as they're who I'm probably voting if I decide to not listen to mastina

[Purple Nurple]

and btw, mastina, this is for you because I'm too lazy to open the hydra pt. if anyone in this game is a tone reader and they vote us, they're scum. you are transparently town on tone.

[Purple Nurple]

I'm not voting luv/imp/jae today. if anyone wants to make a case on jordan/oggs/nahdia you can. if anyone wants to make a town case on gerry or osuka you can; gerry particularly, I'm not actually sure who's reading then above null so there shouldn't have been this much resistance unless I missed stuff.

[Purple Nurple]

because if you're town and have a decent reason, you can just be bad town. mafia's reasons never make sense

town can definitely have shitty reasons, and mafia can definitely make sense. I actually think mafia make more sense as a whole because they tend to stick to factual stuff. I also don't think mastinas reasons have been necessarily shitty, which is another point.

I disagree with this a lot. but, to each their own

your theory works for newer players. more experienced players don't get caught by slips and garbage cases. if you pass "good" as scum you never get caught by contents but by interactions /voting patterns/ guilties type stuff, and always meta if your town game is weak. but anyways, off topic.

[Purple Nurple]

gerry, after you're done replying to the above posts, who's scum if I reveal as ic here? what's your osuka read seeing as they're who I'm probably voting if I decide to not listen to mastina

idk i've been too busy reading into your hydra and impoetic

try pls
that's the kind of thing you need to impress me with if you want me to townread you. if your goal is convincing everyone I'm scum, then reading into my hydra is fine. town and scum could do either of these so this isn't me trying to force you to do it, but jsyk if you're town then doing the latter is bad.

pedit- ok vool. ftr, my luv read is based on sketchy meta so it's not super strong but enough to avoid today

[Purple Nurple]

because if you're town and have a decent reason, you can just be bad town. mafia's reasons never make sense

town can definitely have shitty reasons, and mafia can definitely make sense. I actually think mafia make more sense as a whole because they tend to stick to factual stuff. I also don't think mastinas reasons have been necessarily shitty, which is another point.

I disagree with this a lot. but, to each their own

your theory works for newer players. more experienced players don't get caught by slips and garbage cases. if you pass "good" as scum you never get caught by contents but by interactions /voting patterns/ guilties type stuff, and always meta if your town game is weak. but anyways, off topic.

I dont usually go for slips seriously in forum mafia, cause ppl can take more time to post. usually my problem is townreading people as bad town, because i believe their posts are too bad to be mafia

my problem is being incapable of dealing with bad players, so even though I like teaching I would never ic. I would just get angry at people being stupid. anyone who's seen me in a game with mostly beginners knows this tho
I'll stop going off topic now tho

[Purple Nurple]

same

[Purple Nurple]

do you know what his main is?

[Purple Nurple]

do you agree those posts are dumb?

[Purple Nurple]

I meant the ones osuka was talking about. lol

[Purple Nurple]

newsflash: I can't be mafia.

[Purple Nurple]

okay gn

[Purple Nurple]

you were inactive as scum when we had a perfect scum win against you last time, we actually lynched you for it iirc lol

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To be honest I'm just really sure gerryoat's scum here and yet not sure how to go about convincing people. He's just transparently not town in anything he's doing.

Unacceptable honestly.

This is just like transparently gerryoat's scumgame on every level.
Activity? gerry as town lurks; this gerry is our top poster.
Contribution?
gerry as town gives minimal content, but when he does give content, it's at least something you can read (even if you think it's bad).
This gerry is contributing fake-townslips, pushes he doesn't really believe in, a lot of OMGUS (look at the people he's voted and then look at the people who have voted him), shitposting/spamposting, and when he gives content it's nothing tangible, not even in a bad way.

But I don't have the time/energy to explain that in any more decisive terms.
It's just.
Plain as day.
Obviously.
Not a town gerry.

Tell me, have you seen gerryoat as town?
Tell me, what about this game makes you think that this is the gerryoat as town you've seen.
Tell me, have you seen gerryoat as scum?
Tell me, what about this game makes you think that this isn't the gerryoat as scum you've seen?

Because gerryoat has ticked every box of his scumplay and none of the town ones.
He's just posting to look good.
He's not doing anything which actually

is

good.
He's making a bunch of stuff which makes it look like he has done things. When all he's really done. Is nothing.

this post i hated. and i posted why, eddie. unless you missed it

hating it, ok. but do you think it comes from scum or bad town? because to me it's obvious mastina genuinely believes she's caught you and that's a true fact regardless of your aligmment

[Purple Nurple]

luv also much prefers being scum and this isn't him enjoying himself

[Purple Nurple]

you were inactive as scum when we had a perfect scum win against you last time, we actually lynched you for it iirc lol

who me? When?

twofaces game. long time ago

[Purple Nurple]

Really really really REALLY not happy about this but
VOTE: XnadrojX

[Purple Nurple]

yall are gonna no lynch. cute.

hi jae, I'm not mastina. I scumread osuka far more than gerry, gerry is a lean because I think town gerry would townread me here; that aside mastina is completely confident they're red. but anyways, what do you think wrt osuka?

476 is literally let's not no lynch, it's pretty much deadline. we clearly aren't getting lynched today. gerry and osukas joke posting and 1 liners are shrinking our time. if either of you are town fuck the fuck off. I'm sick of dumbasses atm. posting 5 times in a row to try and stall out a no lynch isn't cool.

vote Jordan in your next post if you're town. let's get this bullshit over with and tomorrow I'm 1v1ing osuka probably

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: gerryoat.

WE HAVE A GUILTY RESULT ON GERRYOAT

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Details to come next post.

[Purple Nurple]

Okay, to explain this.
First I gotta explain the mechanics of the game to people because people are idiots and likely assumed this game was nightless. It's not. It's instant-night. What does this mean?

THE MAFIA HAVE A NIGHTKILL

. They can submit a player to be nightkilled. At the end of the night (that is, at the end of the day phase when a lynch or no-lynch is achieved), this kill is processed. We just saw this in effect. Alisae was processing night actions and resolving them. For further proof of this mechanic in play, refer to the post where we have a publicly-known role in the form of Jill, who is Macho. It's a little difficult to be Macho in a game where you can't be protected, innit? It's a little difficult to be Macho in a game where you can't be killed, innit?

Of course, I'm expecting this game to be role madness so I'm also expecting most players actually have a night action and don't need this explained to them, but some players out there who don't have a night action may not have understood that mechanic. I'm probably not explaining it as well as I want to. But basically. The mafia are, 100% confirmed, to have the power to kill someone each phase. As a byproduct of the instant-night rather than as people may idiotically assume nightless. (In nightless games mafia can't nightkill. In instant-night games, mafia can kill, it just is processed instantly after the lynch to immediately start the next day. This is the game type we are dealing with.)

So the question is.
If this game is an instant-night game, and mafia have the power to nightkill someone...why the fuck is nobody dead?

Simple.

Because of us.

CLAIM: DOROTHY, MODIFIED SPLIT JAILKEEPER

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We can roleblock someone. We can doctor someone. We can't do both on the same person, and we can't do both on different people. (A normal split jailkeeper would be able to doc one person while roleblocking a second.) Our full role is a bit more complicated than that, but the relevant part is that we are a doctor and a roleblocker, so I do not believe there was any other source of a blocked kill (roleblocker), nor do I believe someone PREVENTED the kill (doctor), because we are both.

So that leaves you with the following options.
-The mafia, for whatever reason, did not choose to use their nightkill. Maybe they didn't have the time/opportunity to, or maybe they were idiotic enough to not realize they had one. (The latter is possible but is more evidence for gerryoat to be scum because gerryoat is one of the few players in the game who would make that mistake by his own words.)
-The mafia nightkill failed thanks to another action. A bulletproof, a second blocker, or a second protective. Admittedly role madness makes this not impossible, especially the protective/bulletproof (or similar), buuuuuuuuuut, this seems like something which will become obvious enough.

-Or, as I believe: our roleblock stopped the mafia killer.

I had originally submitted a roleblock on Aristophanes/XnadrojX, because I was adamant that gerryoat was scum and that by lynching gerryoat, then if there was a nightkill Aristophanes/XnadrojX would then be cleared as town. (THIS IS WHY I WAS SO FUCKING PISSED YOU WEREN'T LYNCHING GERRY. I WASN'T ASKING FOR NO DAMN REASON.) But now?

Yep.
Just before voting XnadrojX, I changed that to...gerryoat.

WE BLOCKED GERRYOAT AND THERE WAS NO KILL LAST NIGHT

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Admittedly it's not the

hardest

of hard-guilties, but I believe it is in fact a guilty.

Also,

we are currently set to block Nahdia

. (I'll let you know if that changes.)

Very miffed we won't get our perfect win now but I can settle for a one-mislynch, no-other-town-deaths win.
Or if Nahdia is town, then narrowing down the scum pool further.

If you want my numerous breadcrumbs I can give them to you but really this should be pretty damn self-evidently true.

[Purple Nurple]

Run scanning modules.
Scan target: Lil Uzi Vert
Scanning...
...
...

Error
Error
Error
Could not identify target.

Also this looks like someone blocked a publicly-revealing investigative role that targeted LUV. As a result, I'd be inclined to think that no other blocking role interfered with the nightkill. So that removes that possibility, effectively.

[Purple Nurple]

don't block me, my action is cool

Scum can and have had cool actions in Alisae games. So having a cool action != being town. Plus, my intention with the block is a win-win. You're scum, scum kill fails. You're not scum and scum don't want to conftown you, scum are forced to no-kill giving town an extra lynch. You're not scum and scum make a kill, you become conftown. There's no downside to that.

[Purple Nurple]

I dare someone to counterclaim me. I softed checking LUV a million times. I was just hoping some dumb wouldn't be stupid enough to block me.

Your action is true regardless of your alignment. The problem is...

Scum can and have had cool actions in Alisae games. So having a cool action != being town.

Having an action like yours is not something which proves ANYTHING about your alignment. You've proven that you were roleblocked by me.

But you haven't solved the issue.

There's a missing scum kill.

And you being scum, who legit scanned LUV and yet also submitted the kill, is perfectly viable.

[Purple Nurple]

anyway u should probs be doccing gerry, purple.

Over my dead body. (Which admittedly now that we've claimed is something easily arranged.)

I have what amounts to a guilty on gerryoat. Is it as hard of a guilty as I would prefer, unfortunately not. But gerryoat is who I'm pushing to LYNCH today. And even if I were to let him live (I am not inclined to do so), and even if I were inclined to not block him again (I would be inclined to do so), he sure as fuck wouldn't be someone I'd waste a protect on.

In a micro, especially when you can easily ensure the death of one scum with even-remotely-competent scumhunting, you use the roleblock, not the jailkeep. Doubly so, since there's a protect target we know WON'T EVEN WORK. (Jill being Macho cannot be saved by us doccing her, whereas Jill being Macho can be saved by us correctly blocking a player.)

[Purple Nurple]

Also as if there were any doubt JaeReed is town because they couldn't possibly have missed my reference to the Tarzan song I directed their way. (You'll Be In My Heart-->Tarzan song-->Tarzan was in Kingdom Hearts Mafia as a Split Jailkeeper.)

[Purple Nurple]

I don't see a reason for Gerry as scum to check me to be honest.

Okay, pop question for you.
Say Alisae gives scum a Sane Cop.

Do the scum not use the Sane Cop?
When it is a MOD-GIVEN ROLE to them?

...

...Exactly. Scum use the role because it was a mod-provided role. It would be a role the mod gave them to use, and thus something they felt safe and secure in using. Targeting you, regardless of your alignment, works as good towncred. You're his scumbuddy, he is seen as instantly town for the rest of the game, drawing protections and thus being justified in not having died. You're town, he is still seen as instantly town for the investigation result, with the added benefit of having a scumbuddy so endgame can come earlier and with less risk. Regardless of your alignment, why the fuck

wouldn't

a scum-gerryoat with a cop role use it?

[Purple Nurple]

It was unnecessary in this case.

It not being necessary does not equal it not being a viable action scum could use anyway. Scum have an action which looks town. Why the FUCK would they not use that action which looks town?

There's a decent chance Gerry went into Night 2 thinking he wasn't getting lynched.

Exactly why he would be sent to do the nightkill.

[Purple Nurple]

yes im sure that mafia having a public cop as their ability surely sounds balanced

Jae I need someone to back me up here.
Like. Literally anyone who has played an Alisae game would do but you're the only one I can think of who I know for sure has and you know why this point is absolute bullshit. Giving the mafia town-sounding abilities is just something Alisae fucking DOES.

In particular, one idea Alisae stole from me? Loud Fruit Vendor as a mafia role.
Another idea of mine which Alisae could take since Alisae is often inspired by mastina setups? Mafia Sane Cop. I've had in my games a Mafia Sane Cop. So why the fuck. Would an Alisae, who is KNOWN TO STEAL THINGS FROM PRIOR MASTINA GAMES. Not have it as a mafia role? It's literally

right

up Alisae's alley.

[Purple Nurple]

I wouldn't say he'd town for the investigation result because there's always a why and I'd probably still be skeptical on why he had claimed to check me.
I would have checked Nahdia or Oggs to be honest.

Okay so why the fuck does a sketchy check not equate to a lynch then?

If you think a town-him would've checked someone else, why back him?

Play > Role. 100% of the time. gerryoat is NEVER town for his role this game. EVER. And anyone who thinks so deserves the fucking loss they're guaranteed to be handed by being so moronic as to think otherwise. Do. you. think. the. play. was. town.

[Purple Nurple]

Why use it right away if they feel good about their position among town?

To secure their position and ensure it continues. What if gerryoat didn't use it? Would claiming it D2 save gerry? Then the question would arise of why the fuck if he had that power did he not use it D1?

...Exactly. A town-gerry cannot justify not using it. So any scum-gerry who ever wants to claim towncred for the action is thereby forced into using it D1.

[Purple Nurple]

fuckin mastina outing our action and role uselessly =(

[Purple Nurple]

love u but I'm gonna go all Eddie on this bitch

[Purple Nurple]

here are my MAGICAL REVELATIONS ABOUT THE GAME:

mastina, if you're completely certain gerry is scum you only had to enter the day claiming a guilty and offering us to be lynched if he flips town. we are both good enough players people woulsve done it. you didnt, so what that tells me is you have some kind of doubt gerrys scum. we have another issue too: I think if gerry was roleblocked there wouldn't be that failed action. I think that means our action failed ie we were roleblocked. might be wrong here, doesn't really matter.

also. BASTARD ROLE MADNESS. GERRY, EVEN IF YOU ARE A PUB COP THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU TOWN. STOP.

if gerry is scum IT IS NOT WITH JAE OR IMPO. probably not nahdia either. all of them would've likely performed the kill.

luv not claiming ascetic is horrible



3 ways this day goes from here
a) we lynch luv. ascetic in lylo is nogo. gerry pubcops oggs if he wants to be productive or us if he wants to intentionally be stupid and pretend we are realistically scum atm. osuka and myself are your cop pool.

b) we do the actual smart play and lynch gerry. we have no idea if that's a public cop (seems strong for a micro). let's assume it is. thst doesn't make gerry town. more importantly, people like nahdia say we should give gerry the nighr. that just removes any chance we have of roleblockong scum if he's red - he gets a free kill. no chance there's a tracker or a watcher with a pub cop. gerry is very probably scum and I want his ass roped. not mastina, me.

c) lynch osuka, gerry pubcops us if osuka flips town and oggs if scum.

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ya mastina outed 3 claims so far. and eddie can you answer my question

this is pre staple for town mastina
poor eddie didn't know what he was in for it looks like

but finally a good player to hydra with that isn't busy (cough giga) j*!*!*

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Eddie, do you still think osuka is scum? Do you think both scum would pile and stay on you guys until end of day?

yes, if our reads are good. yes to osuka scum too but gerry needs rope

[Purple Nurple]

ok actually first. Mastina can you tell me how your block is worded in your role PM?

standard roleblock

[Purple Nurple]

jae do you think we are 100% town

[Purple Nurple]

okay, because once you are, I can do Eddie things and break the game a bit

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I don't want sheeping tho. that's not the goal here.

addendum. I do want sheeping. but, that's not why I'm asking about 100%. so, yeah, remember this and lmk in the future if you get to 100.

luv, your actions today are trash sorry babe ly

[Purple Nurple]

eddie are you good with balance stuff and all that?

for normal minis, ya. for micro role madness, I usually play normal queue (changing that based on my recent quality of games but that's a talk for another time) so I don't have too many under my belt but I have common sense. fun fact, my last role madness micro I had a literally perfect game thanks to setup spec partially, thinkbigs game, deathtunnelled both scum, got 1 lynched, other nkd me and got lynched d2 after I lambasted him (love u transcend).

short answer; ya as a rule but low exp for this genre

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: JaeReed

he's town, though you can possibly prove he's misguided

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: purple

he's town, though you can possibly prove he's misguided

[Purple Nurple]

btw jae I can tell you I'm 80% sure gerry flips red at this point without factoring in mastinas opinion whatsoever.

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I'm just memeing.

Just baffling they're not trying to see it from my POV.

why is your pov different from his?

my pov is gerry tried to kill someone and failed

gerrys pov is his kill got blocked and now he needs to escape a guilty

unless your gerrys partner or have a result, you two have the same pov

[Purple Nurple]

I'm just memeing.

Just baffling they're not trying to see it from my POV.

why is your pov different from his?

my pov is gerry tried to kill someone and failed

gerrys pov is his kill got blocked and now he needs to escape a guilty

unless your gerrys partner or have a result, you two have the same pov

And mine is that the kill was stopped another way and that you two are fake claiming.

that's not what a pov is, unless you're claiming to stop a kill slmehow. that's a perspective read based on a pov.

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semantics aside, gerry, how was the nk stopped if we reveal as ic?

[Purple Nurple]

maybe if you tried actually reading the game logically rather than having a temper tantrum and voting the person leading your lynch you'd do better. this advice works for both alignments. you'll probably just ignore me.

[Purple Nurple]

You two said you were blocking Nahdia tonight?

I have other plans but mastina hasn't got on to discuss.

[Purple Nurple]

semantics aside, gerry, how was the nk stopped if we reveal as ic?

i thought maybe a gambit from you. but idk. i've also thought about how mafia could have a technicality to their night kill. such as if there is a No lynch they can use it, and if there is a lynch they can't.

nah, it's real.

I get where the no lynch thing is coming from, makes sense (3 limit - 2 kill limit). however, for mafia to have a no lynch they need control of the game among convincing a town to no lynch, that or luck. too swingy imo. specifics aside, I think the 3 thing just incentivizes mafia to not vote for a no lynch by shitposting and abusing the battery timer. there's of course other kinds of technicalities, yeah.

[Purple Nurple]

luv is scum isn't he

[Purple Nurple]

see, if you were town i think you'd be more understanding that i could be town but you saying that it's 80% sure when it's role madness and other mechanics, make me think you're maf.

pull out. this won't help and mastina wouldn't pull this gambit as scum in most situations I can think of so you can just assume they're town here.
at least til night 3 please.
I don't think luv plays this way as town or pushes these avenues as town and do you agree it looks hella suspect if you and purple are both town?

Eddie doesn't fake guilties because Eddie likes to be the last teammate alive because Eddie has a big ego. #selfmeta

[Purple Nurple]

I think {osuka, you, luv} has both mafia. if I'm wrong I'm having a bad game

[Purple Nurple]

you can't all be scum

[Purple Nurple]

when you flip scum that'll be cute

[Purple Nurple]

Btw should mention: after Nahdia's appeal post (I can link it if necessary), we're instead blocking osuka. Also,
HURT: Lil Uzi Vert.
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Also mastina why do you tr me here?

You're making the right pushes, more or less. Plus if I read your soft correctly I don't think Alisae makes that a scum role given Alisae's experiences there. Also little stuff here and there. It's really not anything particularly tangible so much as it is general stuff, attitude (see also your reaction to me not calling you conftown), things I don't think you'd ever do if you were actually scum. There was a level of hurt essentially.

[Purple Nurple]

Not sure why I'm being scum read to be honest.

Gee, I wonder why.

[Purple Nurple]

This is actually the towniest post I've seen all game because of how relatable it is

Oh yeah thanks for the quote by the way. That's the one. 709 is the Nahdia post I was referring to which made me change our block target. I actually changed it a couple days ago but I forgot to mention it prior to today.

[Purple Nurple]

alright mastina, gerry isn't getting lynched

VOTE: osuka

changing action to blocking luv.

[Purple Nurple]

I am not voting outside of gerry and luv regardless of their claims.

I feel similarly.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: osuka
changing action to blocking luv.

Eddie, LUV CLAIMED ASCETIC.
WE CAN'T BLOCK AN ASCETIC.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.
Back to blocking osuka.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: osuka
changing action to blocking luv.

Eddie, LUV CLAIMED ASCETIC.
WE CAN'T BLOCK AN ASCETIC.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.
Back to blocking osuka.

he was adamantly against getting blocked so he's not ascetic

[Purple Nurple]

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Gerry claims able to confirm himself as scum. Lynch stalling like he's likely to be doing here.

[Purple Nurple]

Baby you're cheating on me with mafia.

[Purple Nurple]

(But, yes. I can confirm. Both as their girlfriend. And as the person who just played in Aristophanes's UPick. That I received Jae's breadcrumb with crystal clarity and knew

exactly

what it meant.)

[Purple Nurple]

Maybe scum are in panic mode and are now trying to figure out how to spin this?

I'd say it's distinctly possible!

...If Mathblade is said scum who was confused as to why the fuck their gladiate got redirected to their partner.

But Mathblade's only possible scum (and honestly is probably town even though they are going to singlehandedly lose the game for the town by casting suspicion on slots like JaeReed).

You on the other hand are pretty much definitely scum, sooooooooooo...

[Purple Nurple]

I'm town, you're town. Gerry has tonight to confirm himself. We lynch in the others.

(^This in particular tells me Mathblade's town.)

[Purple Nurple]

no im saying as in why would i be a cop if he's a redirector, you're asecteitc, purple is RBer. and who knows what the others are.

Easy answer there!

Alisae likes to give town roles to scum and scum roles to town.
Your cop does nothing for town.
Your cop looks town for scum.

So, free towncred.

Exactly the fucking point I made against you pages ago but NOOOOOOO. We have to lynch elsewhere first before in spite of it being obvious we stopped the kill by blocking you.

[Purple Nurple]

JaeReed is a nexus--not a possible source of a kill failure.
Mathblade is a universal backup--not a possible source of a kill failure.
LUV has claimed ascetic tracker--not a possible source of a kill failure.
gerryoat has claimed public cop--not a possible source of a kill failure.
None of these players can be Jill since we know Jill's role and Jill's role fits none of these descriptions. What we DO know about Jill is that she's macho and thus she can't be saved from death--and thus, one of the players in Nahdia/osuka/Impoetic cannot be a possible source of a kill failure.

Basically, nobody has claimed ANY source WHATSOEVER for the kill failure.
Except for us.
With our claim of blocking gerryoat.

And yet people are still insisting we can't lynch the scumfuck, so we're partner hunting even though that is less likely to hit scum.

And yes I'm salty as fuck about that because you're saying "let him prove his role!" when proving his role won't prove his alignment and you're prioritizing role over play, when gerry's play here is 100% his scumgame so he really SHOULD be the lynch.

[Purple Nurple]

What do you think about Math's thing?

Possible scum but not guaranteed scum especially if LUV is scum.

I really want to lynch gerryoat today.

I'm lynching LUV as a compromise because we can't block him and if we're forbidden from blocking gerry this is the best we've got. (I mean I

guess

I could change our block target from osuka to Mathblade but I honestly don't think it makes a difference?)

But really I'm just salty as fuck that gerry is basically waltzing over everyone as a scumfuck off of his role alone because people think of the public cop and are like "lol let's let it live even though we have strong evidence heavily damning the slot as scum".

[Purple Nurple]

You know what, fuck this shit.

Between Eddie Cane and I we'll be active enough to vote anyone we need to who isn't off-limits. (My off-limits lynches: JaeReed and Impoetic. Anyone else is fair game, though Nahdia's the closest to being off of my could-do list in that I would never willingly wagon them and only include them as a deadline emergency option and even there I'm considering excluding them and just saying fuck it they're town.)

But.

VOTE: gerryoat.
I'm sick of letting this scumfuck live.
And I'll go tell you why in no uncertain terms next post.

[Purple Nurple]

WHY GERRYOAT SHOULD DIE

:

(and you're idiots to think otherwise)

FIRST POINT

: We have a guilty.

FACT. This game features a mafia nightkill, which triggers and resolves at the end of a day.
FACT. In spite of this game featuring a mafia nightkill which triggers and resolves at the end of a day, no kill happened at the end of day one.
FACT. Purple Nurple--that's us--claimed to have blocked gerryoat N1. We're on record saying our block can block the mafia's nightkill.
FACT. There are only three unclaimed slots in the game. One of them is Jill. Jill's powers are publicly known and thus cannot be the source of a failed nightkill. As a result, there are only two possible slots who could have anything responsible for a failed nightkill.
FACT. No slot other than ours has come forward with a statement indicating they believe it's possible they were the source of the failed death instead of us.

CONCLUSION: Seriously. Shut the fuck up about "but it's not a guilty because other roles could have caused a failure!". Other roles have been revealed, and shown to NOT have been possible as being the source of the failure. In short, if there were an outside source that'd have foiled the kill, by now they'd have claimed it and explained why they think our guilty isn't a guilty. No such thing has occurred nor will it because it doesn't exist.

Our guilty is a fucking guilty. Nobody has stepped forward with any claim otherwise, except for a hypothetical "well it's not me but it could be someone else". Who the fuck is said someone else, hmm? Hmm? Yeah. My point exactly.

SECOND POINT

: gerryoat's role is not proven to be a cop.

While we know gerryoat's role is an investigative, who's to say gerryoat isn't a public rolecop? Or for that matter. Who's to say that gerryoat's role is ungated? gerryoat could, for instance, be a JOAT with a public cop investigation as one of his powers and we'd be none the wiser if not for gerryoat claiming. So while this lie would be revealed the next day, it is something to keep in mind--gerryoat's word isn't gospel.

THIRD POINT

: gerryoat's role is of more utility to scum than town.

This is a point gerryoat ironically enough made himself. We have our roleblock. We have LUV's ascetic. We have JaeReed's Nexus. All of these significantly reduce the power potential of the public cop. They also allow for gerryoat's role to be revealed, and yet showing results which aren't useful. This, not including the significant chance of gerryoat targeting the nightkill regardless of his alignment. (See below for that.)

It's not a strong town role. But it IS a strong scum role, because it gives the scum a provable role which sounds really, really, really really town and gives an excuse for gerryoat to live longer. As in. Like literally EXACTLY THE FUCKING ARGUMENTS BEING MADE NOW: "Oh gerryoat is a cop let's let him live longer so he can give us more useful results!". That's reason for scum to have the role.

FOURTH POINT

: gerryoat's target is not guaranteed to survive.

Okay so maybe he's a public cop. Maybe he genuinely uses his power and his target is town and revealed as such. Only...WHOOPS LOL TARGET WAS THE NIGHTKILL. What then? You've got the information that gerryoat's role is real, which is only marginally more than what we've got. You gain nothing more from it. So holding out for an investigation which MIGHT NOT EVEN COME is just pointless.

FIFTH POINT

: gerryoat's not guaranteed to have his action succeed.

If the scum have any sort of redirection or roleblocking power (neither of which is infeasible for them to have), then LOL WHOOPS INVESTIGATION FAILED NOW WHAT. Now admittedly, it would be unusual for scum to cause a scum action to fail, but it is not that difficult to orchestrate especially depending on partners. (For instance, the easiest way for scum to orchestrate the cop failing is gerryoat to cop a scum ascetic LUV but I digress.)

SIXTH POINT

: Role != Alignment.

gerryoat's role is not guaranteed to be town. It simply isn't. "But why give the mafia a cop role?" is a thing only amateurs ask. This is a fucking role madness game run by a moderator who is on nearly-Varsoon levels of crazy. Role has NOTHING to do with alignment. Alisae is almost as strong of a proponent of this idea as I am, and this is easily researched and shown to be true. You can find it in Alisae's past games as a player and in Alisae's past modded games. Speaking of which, that brings me to my next point.

SEVENTH POINT

: Moderator meta.

Alisae has a PROVEN KNOWN TRACK RECORD of giving town-sounding roles to scum. Seriously. I can't emphasize this enough. JUST BECAUSE

YOU PERSONALLY

DON'T SEE THE POINT IN GIVING SCUM A TOWN-SOUNDING ROLE DOESN'T MEAN ALISAE WON'T. When you do setup speculation, you need to think how THE FUCKING MODERATOR thinks, not how YOU PERSONALLY think. And I've been exposed to Alisae's thoughts intimately on game design--as a reviewer, as a player, as eir moderator. A public-cop is right up the alley for a scum role Alisae would give.

EIGHTH POINT

: Player meta.

Seriously this is gerryoat's scumgame. Iso gerryoat. Tell me. What the fuck in there is even remotely town? gerryoat is doing nothing while giving the illusion of having done something. In this recent Mathblade/JaeReed debacle, gerryoat is coasting on oneliners and the like, not taking any stance at all. (Which incidentally is one reason I think Mathblade is town.) You can also pay attention to when gerryoat is giving "content". When gerryoat's life was in danger, gerryoat was trying to save himself and produced stuff. The

moment

that pressure faded away, he also faded into the background. He's done no real scumhunting.

I GET THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO LYNCH A PR.

I get that you are afraid to lynch a cop, even.
To lynch a player who you think can make a difference.

But I'm telling you.
gerryoat won't make a difference this game. I guarantee you he won't.
Not by play. Not by role. You're giving him a pass and you absolutely shouldn't be.

[Purple Nurple]

Err...let me fix that.

WHY GERRYOAT SHOULD DIE

:

(and you're idiots to think otherwise)

FIRST POINT

: We have a guilty.

FACT. This game features a mafia nightkill, which triggers and resolves at the end of a day.
FACT. In spite of this game featuring a mafia nightkill which triggers and resolves at the end of a day, no kill happened at the end of day one.
FACT. Purple Nurple--that's us--claimed to have blocked gerryoat N1. We're on record saying our block can block the mafia's nightkill.
FACT. There are only three unclaimed slots in the game. One of them is Jill. Jill's powers are publicly known and thus cannot be the source of a failed nightkill. As a result, there are only two possible slots who could have anything responsible for a failed nightkill.
FACT. No slot other than ours has come forward with a statement indicating they believe it's possible they were the source of the failed death instead of us.

CONCLUSION: Seriously. Shut the fuck up about "but it's not a guilty because other roles could have caused a failure!". Other roles have been revealed, and shown to NOT have been possible as being the source of the failure. In short, if there were an outside source that'd have foiled the kill, by now they'd have claimed it and explained why they think our guilty isn't a guilty. No such thing has occurred nor will it because it doesn't exist.

Our guilty is a fucking guilty. Nobody has stepped forward with any claim otherwise, except for a hypothetical "well it's not me but it could be someone else". Who the fuck is said someone else, hmm? Hmm? Yeah. My point exactly.

SECOND POINT

: gerryoat's role is not proven to be a cop.

While we know gerryoat's role is an investigative, who's to say gerryoat isn't a public rolecop? Or for that matter. Who's to say that gerryoat's role is ungated? gerryoat could, for instance, be a JOAT with a public cop investigation as one of his powers and we'd be none the wiser if not for gerryoat claiming. So while this lie would be revealed the next day, it is something to keep in mind--gerryoat's word isn't gospel.

THIRD POINT

: gerryoat's role is of more utility to scum than town.

This is a point gerryoat ironically enough made himself. We have our roleblock. We have LUV's ascetic. We have JaeReed's Nexus. All of these significantly reduce the power potential of the public cop. They also allow for gerryoat's role to be revealed, and yet showing results which aren't useful. This, not including the significant chance of gerryoat targeting the nightkill regardless of his alignment. (See below for that.)

It's not a strong town role. But it IS a strong scum role, because it gives the scum a provable role which sounds really, really, really really town and gives an excuse for gerryoat to live longer. As in. Like literally EXACTLY THE FUCKING ARGUMENTS BEING MADE NOW: "Oh gerryoat is a cop let's let him live longer so he can give us more useful results!". That's reason for scum to have the role.

FOURTH POINT

: gerryoat's target is not guaranteed to survive.

Okay so maybe he's a public cop. Maybe he genuinely uses his power and his target is town and revealed as such. Only...WHOOPS LOL TARGET WAS THE NIGHTKILL. What then? You've got the information that gerryoat's role is real, which is only marginally more than what we've got. You gain nothing more from it. So holding out for an investigation which MIGHT NOT EVEN COME is just pointless.

FIFTH POINT

: gerryoat's not guaranteed to have his action succeed.

If the scum have any sort of redirection or roleblocking power (neither of which is infeasible for them to have), then LOL WHOOPS INVESTIGATION FAILED NOW WHAT. Now admittedly, it would be unusual for scum to cause a scum action to fail, but it is not that difficult to orchestrate especially depending on partners. (For instance, the easiest way for scum to orchestrate the cop failing is gerryoat to cop a scum ascetic LUV but I digress.)

SIXTH POINT

: Role != Alignment.

gerryoat's role is not guaranteed to be town. It simply isn't. "But why give the mafia a cop role?" is a thing only amateurs ask. This is a fucking role madness game run by a moderator who is on nearly-Varsoon levels of crazy. Role has NOTHING to do with alignment. Alisae is almost as strong of a proponent of this idea as I am, and this is easily researched and shown to be true. You can find it in Alisae's past games as a player and in Alisae's past modded games. Speaking of which, that brings me to my next point.

SEVENTH POINT

: Moderator meta.

Alisae has a PROVEN KNOWN TRACK RECORD of giving town-sounding roles to scum. Seriously. I can't emphasize this enough. JUST BECAUSE

YOU PERSONALLY

DON'T SEE THE POINT IN GIVING SCUM A TOWN-SOUNDING ROLE DOESN'T MEAN ALISAE WON'T. When you do setup speculation, you need to think how THE FUCKING MODERATOR thinks, not how YOU PERSONALLY think. And I've been exposed to Alisae's thoughts intimately on game design--as a reviewer, as a player, as eir moderator. A public-cop is right up the alley for a scum role Alisae would give.

EIGHTH POINT

: Player meta.

Seriously this is gerryoat's scumgame. Iso gerryoat. Tell me. What the fuck in there is even remotely town? gerryoat is doing nothing while giving the illusion of having done something. In this recent Mathblade/JaeReed debacle, gerryoat is coasting on oneliners and the like, not taking any stance at all. (Which incidentally is one reason I think Mathblade is town.) You can also pay attention to when gerryoat is giving "content". When gerryoat's life was in danger, gerryoat was trying to save himself and produced stuff. The

moment

that pressure faded away, he also faded into the background. He's done no real scumhunting.

I GET THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO LYNCH A PR.

I get that you are afraid to lynch a cop, even.
To lynch a player who you think can make a difference.

But I'm telling you.
gerryoat won't make a difference this game. I guarantee you he won't.
Not by play. Not by role. You're giving him a pass and you absolutely shouldn't be.

[Purple Nurple]

...Third time's the charm?

WHY GERRYOAT SHOULD DIE

:

(and you're idiots to think otherwise)

FIRST POINT

: We have a guilty.

FACT. This game features a mafia nightkill, which triggers and resolves at the end of a day.
FACT. In spite of this game featuring a mafia nightkill which triggers and resolves at the end of a day, no kill happened at the end of day one.
FACT. Purple Nurple--that's us--claimed to have blocked gerryoat N1. We're on record saying our block can block the mafia's nightkill.
FACT. There are only three unclaimed slots in the game. One of them is Jill. Jill's powers are publicly known and thus cannot be the source of a failed nightkill. As a result, there are only two possible slots who could have anything responsible for a failed nightkill.
FACT. No slot other than ours has come forward with a statement indicating they believe it's possible they were the source of the failed death instead of us.

CONCLUSION: Seriously. Shut the fuck up about "but it's not a guilty because other roles could have caused a failure!". Other roles have been revealed, and shown to NOT have been possible as being the source of the failure. In short, if there were an outside source that'd have foiled the kill, by now they'd have claimed it and explained why they think our guilty isn't a guilty. No such thing has occurred nor will it because it doesn't exist.

Our guilty is a fucking guilty. Nobody has stepped forward with any claim otherwise, except for a hypothetical "well it's not me but it could be someone else". Who the fuck is said someone else, hmm? Hmm? Yeah. My point exactly.

SECOND POINT

: gerryoat's role is not proven to be a cop.

While we know gerryoat's role is an investigative, who's to say gerryoat isn't a public rolecop? Or for that matter. Who's to say that gerryoat's role is ungated? gerryoat could, for instance, be a JOAT with a public cop investigation as one of his powers and we'd be none the wiser if not for gerryoat claiming. So while this lie would be revealed the next day, it is something to keep in mind--gerryoat's word isn't gospel.

THIRD POINT

: gerryoat's role is of more utility to scum than town.

This is a point gerryoat ironically enough made himself. We have our roleblock. We have LUV's ascetic. We have JaeReed's Nexus. All of these significantly reduce the power potential of the public cop. They also allow for gerryoat's role to be revealed, and yet showing results which aren't useful. This, not including the significant chance of gerryoat targeting the nightkill regardless of his alignment. (See below for that.)

It's not a strong town role. But it IS a strong scum role, because it gives the scum a provable role which sounds really, really, really really town and gives an excuse for gerryoat to live longer. As in. Like literally EXACTLY THE FUCKING ARGUMENTS BEING MADE NOW: "Oh gerryoat is a cop let's let him live longer so he can give us more useful results!". That's reason for scum to have the role.

FOURTH POINT

: gerryoat's target is not guaranteed to survive.

Okay so maybe he's a public cop. Maybe he genuinely uses his power and his target is town and revealed as such. Only...WHOOPS LOL TARGET WAS THE NIGHTKILL. What then? You've got the information that gerryoat's role is real, which is only marginally more than what we've got. You gain nothing more from it. So holding out for an investigation which MIGHT NOT EVEN COME is just pointless.

FIFTH POINT

: gerryoat's not guaranteed to have his action succeed.

If the scum have any sort of redirection or roleblocking power (neither of which is infeasible for them to have), then LOL WHOOPS INVESTIGATION FAILED NOW WHAT. Now admittedly, it would be unusual for scum to cause a scum action to fail, but it is not that difficult to orchestrate especially depending on partners. (For instance, the easiest way for scum to orchestrate the cop failing is gerryoat to cop a scum ascetic LUV but I digress.)

SIXTH POINT

: Role != Alignment.

gerryoat's role is not guaranteed to be town. It simply isn't. "But why give the mafia a cop role?" is a thing only amateurs ask. This is a fucking role madness game run by a moderator who is on nearly-Varsoon levels of crazy. Role has NOTHING to do with alignment. Alisae is almost as strong of a proponent of this idea as I am, and this is easily researched and shown to be true. You can find it in Alisae's past games as a player and in Alisae's past modded games. Speaking of which, that brings me to my next point.

SEVENTH POINT

: Moderator meta.

Alisae has a PROVEN KNOWN TRACK RECORD of giving town-sounding roles to scum. Seriously. I can't emphasize this enough. JUST BECAUSE

YOU PERSONALLY

DON'T SEE THE POINT IN GIVING SCUM A TOWN-SOUNDING ROLE DOESN'T MEAN ALISAE WON'T. When you do setup speculation, you need to think how THE FUCKING MODERATOR thinks, not how YOU PERSONALLY think. And I've been exposed to Alisae's thoughts intimately on game design--as a reviewer, as a player, as eir moderator. A public-cop is right up the alley for a scum role Alisae would give.

EIGHTH POINT

: Player meta.

Seriously this is gerryoat's scumgame. Iso gerryoat. Tell me. What the fuck in there is even remotely town? gerryoat is doing nothing while giving the illusion of having done something. In this recent Mathblade/JaeReed debacle, gerryoat is coasting on oneliners and the like, not taking any stance at all. (Which incidentally is one reason I think Mathblade is town.) You can also pay attention to when gerryoat is giving "content". When gerryoat's life was in danger, gerryoat was trying to save himself and produced stuff. The

moment

that pressure faded away, he also faded into the background. He's done no real scumhunting.

I GET THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO LYNCH A PR.

I get that you are afraid to lynch a cop, even.
To lynch a player who you think can make a difference.

But I'm telling you.
gerryoat won't make a difference this game. I guarantee you he won't.
Not by play. Not by role. You're giving him a pass and you absolutely shouldn't be.

[Purple Nurple]

Babe you forgot about the deadline and what that fixing of posts would do to it....

Alisae would be a cruel bitch to hold fixing posts as a strike against me.

The whole POINT of a deadline battery is that it uses more subjective metrics.

Subjective

, not objective. Meaning, "not set in stone absolute" (objective), but rather, "flexible and subject to moderator judgement" (subjective). And there's also meant to be inherent in the process, a judgement of intent. The intent behind my triple-post was not spam, nor redundancy. So that should be reflected accurately.

Honestly this post I'm making right now would be more reason to make it move down since it contains no game content. Even that's not hard to overcome, I just have to think of something to put here. And to be honest I don't have that much other than that I am town I read you as town and I don't really have any better words to describe other than that I am town and that gerry is just a scumfuck here and that we really really really should be lynching him here because seriously there's no other source for the failed kill and he's also just being obvscum all over the thread.

[Purple Nurple]

I'll have you know I think this is not the greatest of ideas.
Just for the record.

You're literally letting a fucking guilty live.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.

[Purple Nurple]

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave. When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

I refuse to accept responsibility for a lynch I am adamantly objecting to.

I'm ON said lynch.

But I'm on it for reasons I am VERY DISPLEASED ABOUT.

[Purple Nurple]

ahh I missed playing with math /s

math/gerry make sense to you jae?

[Purple Nurple]

Are you going to address me demolishing your argument or are you going to continue to scream guilty when it isn't there?

Lol yes mafia have an infinite shot gladiator that sounds completely fair to Town /s

I'm not mastina

[Purple Nurple]

Are you going to address me demolishing your argument or are you going to continue to scream guilty when it isn't there?

Lol yes mafia have an infinite shot gladiator that sounds completely fair to Town /s

I'm not mastina

Then are you going to address the flawed argument that you and/or Mastina made?

mastina made, but I'll address a lot of things later in busy right now

[Purple Nurple]

Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously. Nowhere here does it refer to a kill. 2 v 7 is the classic nightless noflip well balanced mountainous VT/Goon only game. I find it unlikely Mafia have a kill.

This is wrong on so many levels.
ONE: We aren't just a roleblocker. We are a fucking split jailkeeper, meaning WE ALSO HAVE A DOCTOR. What's the point in being a doctor if there's no kill?
TWO: Jill is Macho.

PASSIVE

Protagonist (Parital Public Information): It will be known that you are in the game, and your role pm will be posted, however only your passive abilities will be shown. Your alignment will be redacted.
Smoking Addiction (Macho): Smoking is bad but you do it anyways, so any protection action that is preformed on you will be prevented.

THREE: Okay so scum can use factional abilities in addition to individual abilities--tell me. WHAT THE FUCK IS A FACTIONAL ABILITY. That's right. A nightkill. Literally that's the only universal thing.

[Purple Nurple]

First point -- There is no guilty. Scum are not proven to have an NK. They are proven to have factional and not factional abilities. Furthermore the first post is a sample post. Who said anything about it being in the game?

Scum fucking ARE proven to have a nightkill, both by OUR FUCKING ROLE and by Jill's role which EXPLICITLY IS IN THE GAME.

Furthermore!

I can say this with the utmost confidence.
The scum have a nightkill because I asked Alisae a bunch of mechanical questions relating to the nightkill. None of them were worded as "IF the mafia have a nightkill". Instead, I just was like, "how does the mafia nightkill hypothetically interact with *thing I was asking about*?" and I got answers. For instance, I was explicitly told the mafia cannot send the lynchee to make the nightkill. (This is why I was so adamant about lynching gerryoat D1. Because by lynching one scum D1, then my roleblock would become a gamebreaker because scum either no-kill and make the game effectively nightless, or scum clear a player.)

Second point -- And you're not proven to be a roleblocker AND we don't have an explanation for why all actions redirected to LUV who you conveniently targeted.

You have my meta and my breadcrumbs. I was very unambiguous about my role. I also have a proven track record of never bullshitting roles as scum, nor of telling any sort of this lie as town. I don't lie about my role like this as EITHER alignment. Can the same be said of gerryoat?

Furthermore. We absolutely DO have proof of how events went down. gerryoat targeted LUV but failed--we blocked gerryoat but LUV was ascetic even aside from that. gerryoat has claimed LUV was his original target. You simply got nexus'd to LUV by targeting the fucking claimed nexus who had zero ambiguity about being one. Everything I said about ME not fakeclaiming goes even doubly so for JaeReed. JaeReed is a pathological anti-liar. As in the polar opposite of a pathological liar, JaeReed is compelled to tell the truth even when it's detrimental to have done so.

Third point You can't say play > role then say we should lynch Gerry for his role and not lynch LUV. On paper LUV is a policy lynch based on role claim. So this point is more towards trying to add gusto to your wall.

OR. How about this. gerryoat is scum by play. But I am also telling people that don't agree with this and/or don't agree with my philosophy why the fuck his role is not something to save. LUV is potentially scum by play. I am also not advocating for a LUV lynch. I am advocating for a GERRYOAT lynch.

Fifth point again borders on the absurd.
He is targeting himself see point four. You are not blocking him. In the case of his action failing this means either mafia or Town have a way to stop someone which invalidates your guilty which invalidates your guilty or you lie and do block him or bastard setup.

No. Scum having a way to block the action fucking CONFIRMS the guilty. Why? Because it still means there's no accounting for the missing N1 kill. It changes nothing, in fact it reinforces the point. Scum couldn't have roleblocked our roleblocked. Scum couldn't have roleblocked their own fucking kill. As a result, scum blocking gerryoat causing gerryoat's action to fail a second time would be proof that scum did not interfere during N1.

Sixth point yeah so? Role doesn't equal alignment. You can't say Gerry is not a proven cop then say "Gerry is a cop but that doesn't make him Town"

At this point you're either blatantly not reading or blatantly making shit up. My point was that gerry wasn't a proven cop...but even if he WERE a proven cop it wouldn't make him town. I absolutely can, have, and AM saying that because no shit those statements don't contradict one another; they augment each other.

Seventh point -- You had a proven track record of Town roles to scum and vice versa until light and day. Mod meta is a thing til it isn't. Why are you trying to make that point noe?

Because I have knowledge of Alisae's setups past, PRESENT (I can't say more but I am sensitive to information about Alisae's current design plans) and future. I already fucking KNOW that Alisae isn't making an exception for this game. And, furthermore! Roles like my own are evidence of Alisae still holding this true this game. The split jailkeeper isn't a very town role.

Eighth point -- This does not a guilty make.

Did you even read the fucking point? I laid out reasons why gerryoat is sketchy-as-hell EVEN DISREGARDING META WHICH CONFIRMS HE IS PLAYING AS SCUM.
The point in of itself would be damning enough.

Laid on top of the rest (which you didn't really deconstruct at all, just misrepresent and strawman), it's plenty.

[Purple Nurple]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)
... If Mafia had a night kill
Then explain how the fuck there would be three nights no lynch acheieved. If this was the case then this rule would be unnecessary. Mafia could kill their way to victory.

No lynch D1, mafia nightkill: eight alive. No lynch D2, mafia nightkill: seven alive. No lynch D3, six alive, mafia nightkill. No lynch D4, mafia nightkill. You can no lynch four times before getting to lylo in this game. Plenty of time for allowing that rule. That doesn't factor in failed nightkills, either, which can extend the length of the game even further. With each failed mafia kill, the game goes on for at least half a day longer. It could be tempting for the town to try a no-lynch for role-related reasons. It could be tempting for the town to try a no-lynch for play-related reasons. It could be tempting for the mafia to try and no-lynch faking one of the two for furthering their wincon. The universal-lose phrase is there to prevent any of that from being viable.

[Purple Nurple]

Mastina for what is clearly bullshit here and she is better than that.

Uh huh.
Yeah, let's see who's the one who was spewing bullshit postgame shall we? The only difference is I'm not actually surprised by it from you!

[Purple Nurple]

I'll have you know I think this is not the greatest of ideas.
Just for the record

this is mafia getting ready for a mislynch me thinks. D: D: D:

It is rather explicitly me acknowledging the very strong possibility of a mislynch, yes.

Because we're not fucking lynching you when we absolutely should be fucking lynching you.

[Purple Nurple]

You can all go to hell.

^How literally every player not named JaeReed is making me feel right now. <3

By the way you can shut the fuck up about any thoughts of this being JaeReed's scumgame.

It's not.
It's just not even remotely possible.

Also. Anyone who knows literally ANYTHING about JaeReed.
Knows that Jae doesn't lie.
Ever.

Jae is a Nexus.
Period.

It's even proven that Jae is a Nexus, by Mathblade's own ability.
Why?

Because any active redirection abilities don't trigger until the end of the day phase. Same as how our fucking roleblock isn't an instant ability. (Yes we asked the mod and so can you!) Our roleblock is processed at the end of the day phase. Not the middle of it. So Mathblade's own claim, of being redirected from JaeReed to LUV, is of itself. The final proof that JaeReed is a Nexus. And you're all idiots if you don't understand this SIMPLE GAME MECHANIC.

[Purple Nurple]

There's no town motivation for you not outright claiming nexus.

Jae did.
By doing the same exact thing we did in Yume's Cutsie UPick.

[Purple Nurple]

You're pushing a tracker and a UB as scum. That's shit power for scum.

Not a tracker.
ASCETIC Tracker. Ascetic is ONE OF THE STRONGEST SCUM ROLES IN EXISTENCE.

[Purple Nurple]

Nexus' are more likelier to be scum than town so bar mod meta I don't get why ascetic is more likelier to be scum then nexus?

Because of their inherent use. Ascetic causes actions to fail. It is stronger than a Nexus which causes actions to simply go elsewhere. A scumteam which would otherwise be weak and filled with town-sounding roles has FAR more use for the ascetic than the nexus. The ascetic outright shuts actions down. The nexus simply makes them work in unexpected ways.

[Purple Nurple]

also i've seen like 3 abilities that sort of imply a nightkill, and factional abilities are usually nightkills. There's not much else that would be useful to scum, and if they don't have a nightkill then town has a lot of PRs that are investigative and we have a lot of mislynches iirc

Yes. Exactly why my guilty IS A FUCKING GUILTY.

[Purple Nurple]

Jill is not confirmed in the game.

PASSIVE

Protagonist (Parital Public Information):

It will be known that you are in the game

, and your role pm will be posted, however only your passive abilities will be shown. Your alignment will be redacted.
Bartending (Strong-Willed Reflexive Modified Fruit Vendor): During the night, you must pick between a List of Drinks to serve. You will serve that drink to anyone who visits you. Know that depending on the person, the drink you give them may enhance their abilities. This action cannot be roleblocked.

By the way? That second part? Also confirmed in the game because our split jailkeeper power receives a buff if we target Jill and Jill makes the pianowomen that night.

Jill absofuckinglutely IS in the game, 100% beyond any shadow of a doubt. Not only by Alisae's explicit word, but also by our own abilities corroborating this.

[Purple Nurple]

Roles can be given that are useless ala named townie.

And how many roles, pray tell, will it take that imply a nightkill before you're willing to accept YOU'RE JUST FUCKING WRONG AND THERE IS A FUCKING MAFIA NIGHTKILL.

Jill is Macho and 100% confirmed to be in the game. Macho means kills exist.
We are a split jailkeeper, half of which is a Doctor. Doctor means kills exist.
Fuck, LUV is a claimed Ascetic. Ascetic is immune to all actions...except for kills. Implying kills exist.
JaeReed is a claimed Nexus. It's somewhat-sketchy, but some variants of Nexus work identically to Ascetic...in that they work for everything EXCEPT for kills. Somewhat implying kills exist. (Though this needs to be confirmed with Alisae and is something Jae themselves needs to ask/clarify, on whether the Nexus redirects a kill or not.)

That's FOUR OF NINE PLAYERS.
With roles.
That HEAVILY IMPLY A NIGHTKILL.

And you still fucking insist.
That it's not in the game.

[Purple Nurple]

Why would the mod put a fake role in and then lie that it was confirmed in the game?

Why would the mod put a fake role in and then lie about it being confirmed in the game and then also have PLAYERS LIKE ME RECEIVE ROLES WHICH CONFIRM A MECHANIC DIRECTLY TIED TO THAT ROLE IN THE GAME, for that matter.

As in.
Jill's bartending is a publicly-known power she possesses. You can read about the mechanics of her bartending power.
I am telling you that part of my role PM RATHER EXPLICITLY SAYS that if I target Jill and Jill makes a piano women, I will receive an enhanced version of my role. (I even know what the enhancement is!)
That pretty unambiguously says that Jill is a real fucking role in the game.

And I'm sure I'm not the only player who has a power buffed by visiting Jill with Jill making the right drink.
If anyone else cared to, they could easily back me up by listing what drink they need.

[Purple Nurple]

You nahdia and impo can all be my "I'd rather you win regardless of alignment" because you're the only people who consistently all game actually treat me like a fucking human being instead of constantly belittling me and kicking me until I snap.

Basically, yeah. We have a bit of a townbloc there but it alone isn't enough. With eight alive we need one more person to not be a fucking moron and yet we don't have them. That being said,

It's almost at the point where I want to claim and push for my own lynch and then maybe you guys can get someone who cares about alignments in rather than someone who feels as though half the game isn't being played by people but rather demons intent on pushing my mental state over the edge.

I absolutely need you in this game because if you leave then frankly I'm just throwing my hands up in the air, declaring "fuck this game", and leaving it to Eddie Cane.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: gerryoat?

[Purple Nurple]

That doesn't count as confirmed in a bastard game. *shrug*

It's a bastard game so maybe XnadrojX was actually scum!

...Yeah. You can only make so fucking many assumptions off of the mod declaring the game loosely bastard. I called every Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia game I ran bastard. I called Gistou bastard. But I never lied to players openly. I just told them I was being openly misleading. Alisae is much the same in mindset. You can't write everything said by Alisae off as being a lie. There is a fundamental requirement that you assume some basics are true.

Like.
You can think. "Maybe the mod lied about my role." Maybe the mod lied about your results. Maybe the mod told a falsehood. Maybe the mod this, maybe the mod that. You get the fucking point. You can justify literally anything in this game with "but this game is bastard, so maybe the mod...". It doesn't fly.

I am going to take what is given to me as evidence of it being there.

Especially given that Jill was my first fucking pick. I didn't get Jill, which implies someone else did.

[Purple Nurple]

2 v 7 is not balanced with night kills no matter how many PRs.

Gee no wonder Newbie games are so notoriously scumsided!

2v7 absolutely IS balanced with nightkills with PRs.

If you're saying it's not balanced in favor of the town...then making the game have no fucking nightkills tips the balance FURTHER TOWARDS TOWN, not further away from town.

[Purple Nurple]

Like the newbie queue is inherently townsided. Now I really have to go. Spending too much time here as it is.

Okay so.
You're seriously saying.
That 2v7 with nightkills is townsided when you give the town PRS.

Then you are suggesting REMOVING THE SCUM'S NIGHTKILL.
And INCREASING THE TOWN ROLES TO THE POINT WHERE EVERY PLAYER HAS ONE.

...Somehow makes the game be more balanced for the scum?

FUCK no.

Increasing the town roles to the point where every player has one makes the game be more townsided.
Removing nightkills makes the game be even more townsided.
In contrast, having a nightkill makes the game be more balanced especially if scum have kill enhancement. Alisae is REALLY fond of both ninjas and strongmen. (Btw Alisae's strongmen I believe get roleblocked. Have to double-check on that.)

And.

Let me put it to you another way, Mathblade.

Do you think.
Do you honestly.
Seriously.
Think.

The the mafia have no nightkill.
When the town has a public-revealing cop?

Let me spell out the math for you on what that does.
D1, we lynch. Since the mafia have no nightkill in your fantasy world, they can do fuckall to stop anything.
gerryoat gets a cleared result. 2/9 players' alignments known.
D2, we lynch. 8 alive. The mafia with no nightkill can do fuckall. gerryoat gets a cleared result. 4/9 players' alignments known.
D3, we lynch. 7 alive. The mafia with no nightkill can do fuckall. gerryoat gets a cleared result. 6/9 players' alignments known.
D4, we lynch. 6 alive. The mafia with no nightkill can do fuckall. gerryoat gets a cleared result. 8/9 players' alignments known.
D5, we lynch. 5 alive. The mafia with no nightkill can do fuckall. Every players' alignment is known.

There is ZERO WORLDS where that math works out even remotely.

[Purple Nurple]

Your best bet right now is to ask mastina "what would make this balanced" and then listen to her theory ramble, which regardless of alignment she wouldn't lie about.

What makes a role madness game balanced is scum having kill enhancement (FUNDAMENTALLY REQUIRING THEY POSSESS A KILL), roles which can fuck with town synergy, and yet also having roles which they can claim without it confirming them as scum.

This is one reason btw why LUV's claim is at least somewhat suspect to me since ascetic fills all the requirements except "claim without it confirming them as scum" (and even that's iffy, but ascetic is frowned upon), but LUV additionally possesses...yep. You guessed it. The track. But that's not really something which in of itself would be damning and I'm not overly interested in pushing LUV. gerryoat is my focus because I believe gerryoat's role is the mafia's kill-enhanced role, with the public cop being the second role.

Think like this role. The strongman could be used IN ADDITION TO the rolecop. OR, the ninja could be used IN ADDITION TO the loud fruit vendor. Here, I'm more or less saying I'm convinced gerryoat has kill enhancement (ninja?), which he could use IN ADDITION TO his public cop. Thus why he is so fucking desperate to not be lynched and not be blocked, because he can kill.

[Purple Nurple]

Btw changed our roleblock to Mathblade, which a townblade should have no problem with because a townblade should be aware the roleblock would be harmless.
And Jae, go do any real-life things you need to right now. <3

[Purple Nurple]

I gladiate Gerry and he flips Town then what?

I am never lynching JaeReed, Impoetic, or Nahdia.

With gerry dead and flipped town, that would leave a pool of LUV/you/osuka. From your viewpoint that'd give you a LUV/osuka scumteam.

Allegedly with no nightkill, that would give us time to sort through them. Especially with our roleblock.

That being said, gerry's just flipping scum.

[Purple Nurple]

i have no idea what the pw to this alt is so I guess tryhard Eddie doesn't get to wake up as I can't access this on my computer

we are lynching gerry today. no, he's not publicly confirmed investigative, he's publicly confirmed ???. no, we aren't stalling out the timer and no lynching when two of the 4 poe scum are gladiated. no, I'm not voting math for gladiating gerry.

[Purple Nurple]

sigh got the pw posting soon this game has too much stupidity for me to handle

[Purple Nurple]

tbh i probably wouldn't be posting but i feel bad at mastina putting in so much work and me doing nothing =)

[Purple Nurple]

I'm just so glad you folks have once again decided to ignore something which has sound logic because you're so resistant to the idea of accepting anything I ever say. Why does it seem like I have a fucking Cassandra curse in mafia because I state the obvious? Why are you people so desperate to overthink and be a fucking hero who solved an intricate riddle that

isn't fucking there 9 times out of 10?

Just read the god damn writing on the wall and accept that not everything is a insane corkscrew double-blind rigmarole process. Sometimes, hell, the fucking

vast majority of the time

, THINGS ARE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SEEM.

tbh i probably wouldn't be posting but i feel bad at mastina putting in so much work and me doing nothing =)

YOU'RE TELLING ME, MR. "GERRYOAT ISN'T A CONFIRMED ANYTHING".

hush. i'll deal with you later.

[Purple Nurple]

please don't use derogatory language

[Purple Nurple]

honestly i wanted to lynch osuka and i'm pissed i got ignored

WHY GERRYOAT SHOULD DIE

:

(and you're idiots to think otherwise)

FIRST POINT

: We have a guilty.

FACT. This game features a mafia nightkill, which triggers and resolves at the end of a day.
FACT. In spite of this game featuring a mafia nightkill which triggers and resolves at the end of a day, no kill happened at the end of day one.
FACT. Purple Nurple--that's us--claimed to have blocked gerryoat N1. We're on record saying our block can block the mafia's nightkill.
FACT. There are only three unclaimed slots in the game. One of them is Jill. Jill's powers are publicly known and thus cannot be the source of a failed nightkill. As a result, there are only two possible slots who could have anything responsible for a failed nightkill.
FACT. No slot other than ours has come forward with a statement indicating they believe it's possible they were the source of the failed death instead of us.

CONCLUSION: Seriously. Shut the fuck up about "but it's not a guilty because other roles could have caused a failure!". Other roles have been revealed, and shown to NOT have been possible as being the source of the failure. In short, if there were an outside source that'd have foiled the kill, by now they'd have claimed it and explained why they think our guilty isn't a guilty. No such thing has occurred nor will it because it doesn't exist.

Our guilty is a fucking guilty. Nobody has stepped forward with any claim otherwise, except for a hypothetical "well it's not me but it could be someone else". Who the fuck is said someone else, hmm? Hmm? Yeah. My point exactly.

SECOND POINT

: gerryoat's role is not proven to be a cop.

While we know gerryoat's role is an investigative, who's to say gerryoat isn't a public rolecop? Or for that matter. Who's to say that gerryoat's role is ungated? gerryoat could, for instance, be a JOAT with a public cop investigation as one of his powers and we'd be none the wiser if not for gerryoat claiming. So while this lie would be revealed the next day, it is something to keep in mind--gerryoat's word isn't gospel.

THIRD POINT

: gerryoat's role is of more utility to scum than town.

This is a point gerryoat ironically enough made himself. We have our roleblock. We have LUV's ascetic. We have JaeReed's Nexus. All of these significantly reduce the power potential of the public cop. They also allow for gerryoat's role to be revealed, and yet showing results which aren't useful. This, not including the significant chance of gerryoat targeting the nightkill regardless of his alignment. (See below for that.)

It's not a strong town role. But it IS a strong scum role, because it gives the scum a provable role which sounds really, really, really really town and gives an excuse for gerryoat to live longer. As in. Like literally EXACTLY THE FUCKING ARGUMENTS BEING MADE NOW: "Oh gerryoat is a cop let's let him live longer so he can give us more useful results!". That's reason for scum to have the role.

FOURTH POINT

: gerryoat's target is not guaranteed to survive.

Okay so maybe he's a public cop. Maybe he genuinely uses his power and his target is town and revealed as such. Only...WHOOPS LOL TARGET WAS THE NIGHTKILL. What then? You've got the information that gerryoat's role is real, which is only marginally more than what we've got. You gain nothing more from it. So holding out for an investigation which MIGHT NOT EVEN COME is just pointless.

FIFTH POINT

: gerryoat's not guaranteed to have his action succeed.

If the scum have any sort of redirection or roleblocking power (neither of which is infeasible for them to have), then LOL WHOOPS INVESTIGATION FAILED NOW WHAT. Now admittedly, it would be unusual for scum to cause a scum action to fail, but it is not that difficult to orchestrate especially depending on partners. (For instance, the easiest way for scum to orchestrate the cop failing is gerryoat to cop a scum ascetic LUV but I digress.)

SIXTH POINT

: Role != Alignment.

gerryoat's role is not guaranteed to be town. It simply isn't. "But why give the mafia a cop role?" is a thing only amateurs ask. This is a fucking role madness game run by a moderator who is on nearly-Varsoon levels of crazy. Role has NOTHING to do with alignment. Alisae is almost as strong of a proponent of this idea as I am, and this is easily researched and shown to be true. You can find it in Alisae's past games as a player and in Alisae's past modded games. Speaking of which, that brings me to my next point.

SEVENTH POINT

: Moderator meta.

Alisae has a PROVEN KNOWN TRACK RECORD of giving town-sounding roles to scum. Seriously. I can't emphasize this enough. JUST BECAUSE

YOU PERSONALLY

DON'T SEE THE POINT IN GIVING SCUM A TOWN-SOUNDING ROLE DOESN'T MEAN ALISAE WON'T. When you do setup speculation, you need to think how THE FUCKING MODERATOR thinks, not how YOU PERSONALLY think. And I've been exposed to Alisae's thoughts intimately on game design--as a reviewer, as a player, as eir moderator. A public-cop is right up the alley for a scum role Alisae would give.

EIGHTH POINT

: Player meta.

Seriously this is gerryoat's scumgame. Iso gerryoat. Tell me. What the fuck in there is even remotely town? gerryoat is doing nothing while giving the illusion of having done something. In this recent Mathblade/JaeReed debacle, gerryoat is coasting on oneliners and the like, not taking any stance at all. (Which incidentally is one reason I think Mathblade is town.) You can also pay attention to when gerryoat is giving "content". When gerryoat's life was in danger, gerryoat was trying to save himself and produced stuff. The

moment

that pressure faded away, he also faded into the background. He's done no real scumhunting.

I GET THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO LYNCH A PR.

I get that you are afraid to lynch a cop, even.
To lynch a player who you think can make a difference.

But I'm telling you.
gerryoat won't make a difference this game. I guarantee you he won't.
Not by play. Not by role. You're giving him a pass and you absolutely shouldn't be.

First point -- There is no guilty. Scum are not proven to have an NK. They are proven to have factional and not factional abilities. Furthermore the first post is a sample post. Who said anything about it being in the game?

Second point -- And you're not proven to be a roleblocker AND we don't have an explanation for why all actions redirected to LUV who you conveniently targeted. BaeReed has not confirmed or denied the nexus and has just let it go by. It could just as easily be a scum factional ability and anyone be scum.

Third point You can't say play > role then say we should lynch Gerry for his role and not lynch LUV. On paper LUV is a policy lynch based on role claim. So this point is more towards trying to add gusto to your wall.

Fourth point Borders on the absurd He said he is targeting himself.
If scum shoot himself then problem solved?
If he doesn't target himself confirmed scum in Gerry/BaeReed/you/factional ability. Narrows the lynch pool.

Fifth point again borders on the absurd.
He is targeting himself see point four. You are not blocking him. In the case of his action failing this means either mafia or Town have a way to stop someone which invalidates your guilty which invalidates your guilty or you lie and do block him or bastard setup.

Sixth point yeah so? Role doesn't equal alignment. You can't say Gerry is not a proven cop then say "Gerry is a cop but that doesn't make him Town"

Seventh point -- You had a proven track record of Town roles to scum and vice versa until light and day. Mod meta is a thing til it isn't. Why are you trying to make that point noe?

Eighth point -- This does not a guilty make. BaeReed is already improperly applying meta to me.

In short you have a scumread based on incomplete flawed data.

Let's start here. There is a nk, the game would not be balanced without one. Mastina and I both strongly believe that and both of us have lots of experience with setups, her more. This has already been discussed post-this post so I won't go into detail. There is a nk though and if you suggest otherwise that's trash and I reaaaaally disbelieve you could've played for this long and not been able to realize 7v2 role madness has a nk. Is there a remote world where there's no nk? sure, i'll stretch my imagination, i've seen crazier things. If we are in that world, there are bigger issues, namely the fact no nk + a public cop is fucking stupid and mafia would have virtually no chance. there is a nk and after this cycle we will see that because otherwise scum require an extra lynch and that isn't a gambit I believe they'd take. There is no other explanation for the missed nk, that we've seen, and while there's worlds gerry is a scumread mastina is very confident in regardless of said missing nk and I trust their judgment here having played with gerry a bunch personally as well. we didn't target luv either - we targeted gerry...? luv is not a policy lynch in a role madness game, and tracker ascetic isnt a policy lynch anyways, ascetic ascetic is. moreover, this is a micro, and in a 9p game its only two mislynches so realistically you aren't going to pl all miller and ascetic claims regardless. i don't really care about the fourth point, its irrelevant to me. however, we don't know gerry's role, we know he has a public action that targets another player and thats IT. despite what nahdia wants you to beleive we don't know he's a cop, and if he is we don't know he's a sane cop, we don't know he's a town aligned cop. not lynching him to let that cop go off is a fucking moronic idea and "failed public cop" is not a claim that gets a free pass d2 of a micro. i also don't really care about the 5th point, that doesn't affect my sorting. your reply to the 6th point is stupid, sorry. giving two scenarios (gerry not being a cop + gerry being a scum cop) is not something you get to call out, that is called analyzing possibilities. your reply to the 7th point makes the 6th reply look like a prize-worthy paper; bro. that's the equivalent of saying "meta is a thing til it isn't". of fucking course you can manipulate and change mod meta, just like you can manipulate and change your meta as a player. that doesn't remove it as a very helpful and valid resource and i don't understand how you could argue such. eighth point - do you have an actual issue with this being scum gerry on meta or are you going to ignore that to talk about another player metaing another player? 9th point - of fucking course its based on "incomplete" data, though flawed is cute. guess who's the only alignment with "complete" data? hint: not green. seriously math, you're not garbage, you can't seriously consider your later replies good. this isn't even my case or anything like a case i'd make but mastina's post is way stronger than your rebuttal.

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave.

When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

Are you going to address me demolishing your argument or are you going to continue to scream guilty when it isn't there?

Lol yes mafia have an infinite shot gladiator that sounds completely fair to Town /s

Nice job demolishing a passable argument with a garbage reply. But I quoted this for the second line: that is

hilariously bullshit

. Infinite gladiator is MORE fair for mafia to have than town. Every time mafia use it, ignoring specific stuff there's a 50% shot mafia gets lynched, which is significantly higher than normal. How is that in some way unfair to town? Doesn't a town infinite gladiator sound more unfair?

osuka is doing fuck all and Impoetic and Nahdia are pocketed.

We're done

mfw osuka has been scum for 30 pages and i keep getting ignored

You're pushing a tracker and a UB as scum. That's shit power for scum.

we dont know you're tracker or ub. we don't know if you are either and have additional roles. sigh

I got a message from the mod I gladiated LUV.

would that not be a hypothetical scum counter to a hypothetical town gladiator ?_?




blah blah blah SO MANY USELESS PAGES AND SO MANY PEOPLE HAVING TEMPER TANTRUMS I'M GOING TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO

You nahdia and impo can all be my "I'd rather you win regardless of alignment" because you're the only people who consistently all game actually treat me like a fucking human being instead of constantly belittling me and kicking me until I snap.

Basically, yeah. We have a bit of a townbloc there but it alone isn't enough. With eight alive we need one more person to not be a fucking moron and yet we don't have them. That being said,

It's almost at the point where I want to claim and push for my own lynch and then maybe you guys can get someone who cares about alignments in rather than someone who feels as though half the game isn't being played by people but rather demons intent on pushing my mental state over the edge.

I absolutely need you in this game because if you leave then frankly I'm just throwing my hands up in the air, declaring "fuck this game", and leaving it to Eddie Cane.

you are not doing that.

i cant believe people want to lynch a public cop. none of you can call yourselves good at mafia if you vote me. ever. i will post this game every time you do

stop it with your constant garbage omgus

Gladiate Gerryoat

Town doesn't advocate for a no lynch they go down swinging.

I agree.

no, he's not publicly confirmed investigative

fucking what even.

man, what is it with mafia players and wanting to think everything is so fucking

complicated

? realtalk i wish there were a physical manifestation of the concept of Occam's Razor so i could smack yall in the fucking face with it.

man, what is it with mafia players and wanting to never lynch someone for a fucking

role

?

im confirmed public investigative. what else would it be? think about the roles in this game, it matches up

town doesn't have a public cop probably, and it is even less likely there's a town tracker + a town cop. so, yeah, I'm cool lynching you. if you flip town i'll see about what two of luv/osuka/math are scum.

Run

scanning

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Scan target

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shouldn't you be thinking luvs scum? tracker + cop in a micro is

please don't use derogatory language

um your hydra partner as been insulting me all game, and you havent said anything

it was a "you people" joke









not gonna lie, i am not mastina. i am not 100% sure gerry is flipping scum. i want to vote math here for reasons but i also dont, and frankly, i am over this game.
VOTE: gerryoat
idk where our vote was
i WANTED TO LYNCH OSUKA BUT NOOOO
and honestly i think if we didn't block gerry scum probably forgot to submit a kill given unicycle mechancis which would be a hilarious way for town to lose but ah well. i won't touch that. that roleblock on gerry is too damning to ignore, i'm afraid. plus, i don't townread gerry and massive has him as 100% scum so i wouldn't ever unvote here regardless.

[Purple Nurple]

ftr,

fos luv
fos math
fos osuka
fos gerry

[Purple Nurple]

i am ignoring my gut math scum pings and i'll probably hate myself if he's scum but i want to say math's town

please lynch gerry, i think the team is {(gerry/luv)(osuka)} and this'll be the gamesolving flip. we are not no lynching and giving the mafia the kill of their choice.

[Purple Nurple]

impo i strong townread from d1, jae mastina locktowned but honestly i think theyre strong town regardless, nahdia is being an ate-y pos (love u) but i think is town. jae townread the same post myself and mastina both seperately did. math is ?able but i think they're town for ~reasons~, this is not something i've discussed with mastina.

[Purple Nurple]

do you honestly believe in a micro two of our roles are cop and tracker?

[Purple Nurple]

do you honestly believe in a micro two of our roles are cop and tracker?

you seem to be perfectly fine with all the supposed anti-town roles. yet you cant imagine a cop and a tracker. lol

the tracker is one of said anti town roles, ascetic. the other is nexus, which, again, a town ascetic + a town nexus is a shit ton of neg util + two semi overlapping roles (both reject actions completely).

[Purple Nurple]

do you honestly believe in a micro two of our roles are cop and tracker?

they are both basically confirmed investigatives imo. I mean, the tracker's flavor character is literally a detective. Does that make them CCs? If so it also makes one of them town and one is loud so if they live another night they will be

giving us information

. I guess that's a good point though so maybe it's worth it after all. I don't know, I'm confused. MathBlade is almost a negative utility role though, and potentially either alignment...

oh, they could both be the roles as claimed, i just doubt they're the same alignment. is it possible? absolutely! unlikely to me, but i wouldn't vote one solely for it. blocked nk, meta, other mastina blah blah we've went over 50 times, you know the drill.

honest opinion? if there's one scum in gerry and luv it is probably more likely luv. luv is not an option to lynch today though, and i'm happy to lynch gerry. honestly, i would vote mathblade too simply because he's not in our townbloc and if we're being real i don't put it past math doing some moronic town gladiate in lylo and losing the game if he's town out of ego. plus, pub cop. we 100% are not fucking no lynching, and i'd like to lynch osuka > luv > gerry > math personally (mast's is probably gerry > osuka > luv > math) but hey i don't have those options so gerry is a good bet. plus, if gerry flips town, we all get to laugh at mastina and mastina is not a weak player by any means so at absolute fucking worst it'll force her to rethink the game which is good for everyone.

[Purple Nurple]

like, town having both a cop and a tracker, town having both a nexus and an ascetic. i guess they almost balance each other out...? honestly fuck my brain its too late i need to get mastina to spec she's better than me,

[Purple Nurple]

nah. we lynch you.

[Purple Nurple]

You know who I wanna lynch? I wanna lynch Purple Nurple. They probably purposefully NK'd as mafia and then fakeclaimed a roleblocker on Gerry. Cause that's so fucking

simple

and

plain

, right?

i'm glad someone has seen the light

Nahdia was being sarcastic or so god help me please if Nahdia wasn't because the idea of me as scum NOT ONLY deliberately no-killing BUT ALSO choosing to fakeclaim a guilty ensuring a 1v1 I'd know I'd be shown wrong on, now that's pretty much the polar opposite of simple and plain.

please lynch gerry, i think the team is {(gerry/luv)(osuka)} and this'll be the gamesolving flip. we are not no lynching and giving the mafia the kill of their choice.

Very strongly inclined to agree.

summary of the last 10 pages as i understand them

math sounds weird, gives me scummy vibes.
jae is loud (tilted) redirector
i have thoughts on purple that, for now, i'll save. I wanna skim their iso again.


VOTE: mathblade
since between him and gerry, i'd rather lynch whoever is not cop

Especially since this^ is effectively a scumclaim in of itself.

okay can we lynch math now

i wanna see if gerry's cop claim is true

and the fact that mafia didn't night kill doesn't mean that they forgot; it means that they might not have a traditional "nightkill". What if math's gladiate is to compensate for that?

S C U M P O S T I N G G G G

Dude he claimed a

loud

cop

That’s a suicidal fakeclaim

I mean regardless of gerry's alignment I'm regretting not pushing osuka harder like Eddie wanted because yeah.

glad you quoted 1474 because yeah, your check

didn't tell us alignment

. start talking.

Indeed. How many posts yesterday did gerry make saying "I CAN COP MYSELF MY ALIGNMENT WILL BE CONFIRMED TO YOU"? As evidence to fucking lynch Mathblade over him because he

absolutely promised

that he would be clearing himself?

I called it bullshit at the time and this is precisely why because OH HEY WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT.
IT WAS BULLSHIT.
JUST LIKE I FUCKING SAID IT WAS.

HURT: gerryoat
HURT: osuka
HURT: LUV
(I'll talk to Eddie on his thoughts when I can. If a kill did happen tonight, we'd have it be the day before lylo. And I don't want to lynch the town in those three; I want to lynch the scum two.)