Newbie 1820 | Cake Wrecks | Endgame

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.07

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

acidphoenix

(2): Macemeetface7, UnaBombaH

L-2

Creature

(2): acidphoenix, Raya36

L-2

UnaBombaH

(2): Virtuoso, Creature

L-2

Not Voting

(1): Spartan117

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-09-23 07:05:00).

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[UnaBombaH]

Interesting.
You two seem to be working together surprisingly well!

So now I'm scum for voting Acid as part of the wagon, when I think there is at least one scum in Mace/Acid?

I'd also like to point out that the MOST interesting thing to me is Mace saying there is probably one scum in acid/Creature in his mind.
Why are you not interested in wagoning him?
I'd say it's either scum distancing from acid after I called their interaction scumtheater, or possibly a scum pushing for two mislynch-wagons.

[UnaBombaH]

acidphoenix (2): Macemeetface7, UnaBombaH L-2
Creature (2): acidphoenix, Raya36 L-2
UnaBombaH (2): Virtuoso, Creature L-2

I also dislike the fact that we now have three wagons on equal standing.
It is now almost guaranteed that we won't have a reasonable lynch, as people will likely just jump from wagon to wagon.
I'm afraid this also muddies future VCAs, as its easier for scum to push for at least one mislynch now.

[Spartan117]

spartan who would u vote?

Personally I could see my vote going on all three,
Acid has been fairly scummy through a lot of Day 1, Day 2 hasn't wished to provide much input which isn't indicative on scum but its not helpful for town either.
Creature, while providing a lot of input and a fair amount of reasoned views, has been hugging Maces ass as if it was covered in sugar which has interested me but im not sure if their play is necessarily scummier than acids although there have been a couple of interesting things that I may have to go back and bring up if they aren't talked about.
I feel that UnaBombaH's play has been more about expecting everyone to read them as town as some people had a townie view on fenrir which I think is dangerous play, that provided with their distractions from other games, I don't really gather a great deal of input from them, and I know its difficult to have new views when things have already been said by others but if there isn't the effort put in people will notice, now whether that's town that notice or scum that notice and try and point it out for townie points I can't really say. Tbh with Fenrirs slot I wasnt the most certian about Fenrir being very townish in Day 1, it was more of a mixed bag imo.

[Spartan117]

I like Acid more than I like Creature so I would rather more votes were over there. I'm feeling a little unsure about my original scumread on mace. I still would have him sorted under scum but lower than creature and I don't think I would want to lynch him right now. I also still think creature and mace could potentially be partners and as I said befofe between the two I would much rather see creature lynched.

VOTE: creature

I like that Raya goes back and re-evaluates her views, it shows a more structured view point rather than having some views and just sticking with them no matter of what comes up afterward, which is something I have seen scum to do, so this maintains my townie view of raya for the time being.

[Spartan117]

Who do people want me to place my vote on, and why?

[acidphoenix]

"not me"

but seriously creature

[Raya36]

Creature.

Una hasn't been scummy and I didn't find Fenrir all that bad either. Plus the whole idea brought up that he seems pretty laid back and hanging onto the idea that people read his predecessor as town seems more like a town move than scum to me. Scum would probably care more about keeping an image and town would probably be a little more relaxed like he is.

Acid has also been a lot more town so far than Creature. I also have to agree with Virt. Acid does feel a lot like lynch bait right now.

Creature has been scummy throughout this whole game and has been my most consistent scum read this game.

[UnaBombaH]

I think Spartan as scum would've placed his vote earlier, not voting anyone could be seen scummy by many.
So towning him for now.
Making everything from my POV a lot simpler when acid or creature flips.
I doubt the scum are in the same wagon, at least not currently.
If we make Creature flip and he is scum, I have a hunch one of his previous votes was on a partner too. If he flips town, I don't see anyone else reasonable to lynch other than acid.

Where my head is at with this game for now.

[Macemeetface7]

Why are acid and creature both scum

because they are both scummy

[Macemeetface7]

i dont think i wanna vote unabombah

[Macemeetface7]

raya why do you say creature is your most consistent scumread this game? isnt that me?

[Macemeetface7]

i can think of 2 ways we get out of this sticky situation of having 3 equal wagons

1)spartan votes and we proceed naturally from there
or
2)virtuoso as the inCCed town PR takes control of our votes

[Raya36]

Read 779 again. I say that I am less confident with my read on you now. I guess my wording was a little off though. Creature is my strongest and most consistent scum read this game.

[Spartan117]

I think Spartan as scum would've placed his vote earlier, not voting anyone could be seen scummy by many.
So towning him for now.
Making everything from my POV a lot simpler when acid or creature flips.
I doubt the scum are in the same wagon, at least not currently.
If we make Creature flip and he is scum, I have a hunch one of his previous votes was on a partner too. If he flips town, I don't see anyone else reasonable to lynch other than acid.

Where my head is at with this game for now.

I am going to place my vote when I wish to, a vote is very important especially at this point in the game, I don't want to just vote willy nilly, and we still have time left in this day.

I find UnaBombaHs last sentence very strange he says if Creature flips scum then one of his previous votes was on a partner too so basically scum, but if he flips town he doesn't think there is anyone else reasonable to lynch apart from Acid, well a quick look at creatures ISO shows that Creature has only voted for 3 slots,
his initial vote was for Fenrir,
He voted for Dunker although he is dead so that makes that vote irreverent from the situation
Then he voted for Acid
And after that he placed a vote on UnaBombaH which is the same slot as fenrir.

So from what I glean from what UnaBombaH has said, if Creature flips scum vote acid, and if town vote acid. Both Virtuoso and Raya have commented on how Acid is lynch bait, so I see this as either a townie who is getting pulled into the trap of trying to lynch, lynch bait, or more than likely scum trying to tunnel the vote path.

What interests me is that he said, if creature flips town he doesn't see anyone else reasonable to lynch apart from acid, well if acid is the only person he thinks should be lynched after creature what about Acids scum partner provided creature flips town and Acid flips scum, to just see Acid as the only reasonable lynch day 3 is bizarre, and to have the pre-flip association for creature provided he is lynched today be the same person doesn't really strike me as a townie investigating.

"If we make Creature flip and he is scum, I have a hunch one of his previous votes was on a partner too."
On the surface it looks like a townie who has investigated but for me when looking at the reality of his pre-flip association being the same person really nullified that as a proper investigation attempt.

[Spartan117]

If this flips town I'm heavily leaning on acidphoenix + Fenrir.

Creature what do you think of your opinion here, now. Considering if you are lynched whatever you flip, Fenrirs slot wants to lynch Acid.

[Spartan117]

Everyone who wants to lynch Creature, which I believe is pretty much everyone, who do you think is his scum partner provided Creature flips scum, and why?

[Virtuoso]

2)virtuoso as the inCCed town PR takes control of our votes

I don't like this idea as it makes it easier for scum to hide on town wagons.

UNVOTE:

I want two L1 wagons to form: One on acid and one on Una and I'll decide which of them I will hammer.

If Creature is alive tomorrow, I want him to full claim. For now I'll let him live.

[Virtuoso]

@Acid - have you ever played scum on this site?

[Virtuoso]

Here's a recent town game from acid. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72636

[Virtuoso]

Looking at yesterday's lynch wagon

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Macemeetface7 (3): Raya36, Fenrir,

Dunkerdoodles

Virtuoso

(1): acidphoenix

Dunkerdoodles

(5): Macemeetface7, Spartan117,

Draynth

, Creature,

Virtuoso

<-- LYNCH

What's the likely hood that both scum are on the doodles wagon? What's the likely hood that one scum is on the wagon and one scum is off the wagon?

[Spartan117]

Here's a recent town game from acid. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72636

I know about it, I was in it lol, was very difficult to really get much from them either as they were very illusive and got lynched because of it, I worry its more of a playstyle.

[Spartan117]

Looking at yesterday's lynch wagon

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Macemeetface7 (3): Raya36, Fenrir,

Dunkerdoodles

Virtuoso

(1): acidphoenix

Dunkerdoodles

(5): Macemeetface7, Spartan117,

Draynth

, Creature,

Virtuoso

<-- LYNCH

What's the likely hood that both scum are on the doodles wagon? What's the likely hood that one scum is on the wagon and one scum is off the wagon?

I think there was 1 on Dunkers wagon and one on Maces, but its hard to tell really.

[Virtuoso]

Here's a recent town game from acid. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72636

I know about it, I was in it lol, was very difficult to really get much from them either as they were very illusive and got lynched because of it, I worry its more of a playstyle.

Yeah agreed. Acid feels more derp newb town here

[Spartan117]

2)virtuoso as the inCCed town PR takes control of our votes

I don't like this idea as it makes it easier for scum to hide on town wagons.

UNVOTE:

I want two L1 wagons to form: One on acid and one on Una and I'll decide which of them I will hammer.

If Creature is alive tomorrow, I want him to full claim. For now I'll let him live.

I thought you believed Acid was lynch bait?

What are your thoughts on UnaBombaH?