Normal 1934: Civilization Mafia Mafia (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

Still looking for replacement.

[RadiantCowbells]

Penguin Power replaces Game Replacement!

[RadiantCowbells]

Interestingly while I was in Civilization mafia, the longest Large Theme, I was also in Open 675, the longest Open. Both games sucked up a ridiculous amount of my time.

Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 3.56:

Gamma Emerald (4): Mathblade, Ginngie, nancy, lime in da coconut
nancy (1): massive
Mathblade (0):
lime in da coconut (0):
Drixx (0):
Grendel (0):
massive (0):
Ginngie (0):
PenguinPower (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald, Grendel, Drixx, PenguinPower

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-09-17 23:00:00).

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:

Drixx: 59
Ginngie: 54
lime in da coconut: 62
Gamma Emerald: 45
Mathblade: 23
Grendel: 60
massive: 55
PenguinPower: 70
nancy: 43

Replacements omg!
Prods did go out.

[lime in da coconut]

Spoiler: Notes up to my replacement

GR(4): Mathblade
TChill(t) (2): massive

+GR
+Grendel (1152/1153)
+++GE (1154) --massive (1154/1155)
GR(2): town
TChill(t) (2): massive
monkey(t) (2): Grendel
Mathblade(2): GR
Titus(2): Drixx/GE
++GR
--Mathblade
++++GR (1188)
?+?Drixx (1191)
+++++GE (1196) --Mathblade (1196)
++++Drixx (1209) +++GE (1209)
++GE (1211) ----Mathblade (1211) ++Drixx (1211)
++Grendel OR ++GR (not both) (1211)
--GR OR --Grendel (not both) (1211)
-?nancy (1212)
++Drixx (1218)
+Drixx (1228)
++++GE (1254)
++++++++GE (1256)
++++++GE (1265)
----Mathblade (1267)
+++Drixx (1283)
-^∞Ginngie (1288)
(I am now aware Ginngie was gambiting. I don't care. She's town anyway.)
+++++Drixx (1303)
+++GE (1332) --Mathblade (1332)

So let's see, so far we have a flipped jailkeeper, a flipped vigilante, a flipped cop. When I said "role madness" was when Ginngie was also claiming a PR. At what point do you NOT go "this is role madness"? Lucky for you we're lynching nancy today.
VOTE: Nancy

I say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.
I say hold on! You are acting with some haste.
I say hold on! Lynching nancy is a waste.

I may be playing under a gimmicky alt but I am quite familiar with the balance standards of normal games. We have a Jailkeeper, a Vig, and a Novice Cop. Were the cop ungated, I'd buy that against an all-goon scumteam as balanced. However, the cop

was

gated, even if only loosely so. As a result, I would fully expect exactly one extra town power role in the game (and maybe a weak scum PR). If nancy is said extra, then she is town.

How do you have a scumteam pick on page 7? Why do I weakly look town there when you don't have any markings for me until 1114? How are you reasonably certain massive is town at that point? I don't understand how your reads in 1337 line up with your notes. Was there a substantive reason why you don't have question marks around your scumreads?

Put the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it,
Put the playerlist in the game thread, and you reference it.
I say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
I say Info! Analysis is to come.
I say Info! You'll be happy when I'm done.
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it,
Put the votes through analysis, and you reference it.

All of that has the same answer. I was crossreferencing with the votecounts and my preliminary thoughts from there. VCA without a scum flip is less than ideal, but I can still ascertain certain things from it. These deductions aren't very strong, but are enough where I can generate reads. When I said I would make good use of the post, this is what I was referring to. At every point in the game I was paying attention to how the wagons formed and mentally calculating what they were likely to mean. If you want better answers than that, ask more relevant questions.

[PenguinPower]

^
So, that's a thing.

Catching up.

[PenguinPower]

Someone want to give me a tl;dr on Gamma since he's the leading wagon?

[MathBlade]

He's scummy as fuck trying to buddy me felt weird and never recovered.

Reactions to PR claims are not Town Gamma.

He feels wrong

#caseBeforeDriving

[Grendel]

tbh it feels like ppl keep ignoring me.

@Ginngie

Did you read my points on Gamma?

@Math

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71688&user_select[]=28404

Meta I am referring to for Gamma.

And on Kingdom hearts respectfully not reading it. Gamma is a hyper poster. By the time I read all that my brain would be mush.

oof, that's a lot to go through. I'll look at it soon though.

Did Gamma handle claims throughout the game, or was there a point of significance you could direct me too?

@Massive

n/m I see what your point was when you made that statement.

I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

@Lime

Your notes are hard to read. Can you pull the quotes most relevant to your current reads?

[Ginngie]

Did you read my points on Gamma?

tunneling so no

[MathBlade]

Yeah. He talked and communicated with people and vigged scum

Sorry super tired...it's more I know and I see it thing.

[PenguinPower]

tbh it feels like ppl keep ignoring me.

@Ginngie

Did you read my points on Gamma?

@Math

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71688&user_select[]=28404

Meta I am referring to for Gamma.

And on Kingdom hearts respectfully not reading it. Gamma is a hyper poster. By the time I read all that my brain would be mush.

oof, that's a lot to go through. I'll look at it soon though.

Did Gamma handle claims throughout the game, or was there a point of significance you could direct me too?

@Massive

n/m I see what your point was when you made that statement.

I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

@Lime

Your notes are hard to read. Can you pull the quotes most relevant to your current reads?

So Gamma isn't scum. Who is?

[massive]

I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.

[Gamma Emerald]

After getting current from last time I'm feeling a bit uneasy with massive rn. He doesn't seem to be looking at things through a normal scope, specifically the Ginngie gambit. It feels like he's spinning things or completely misinterpreting the point of the gambit.
Also real talk I'm kinda not to engaged rn but I'm going to try and keep active.
Also 3 days and I'm the lead wagon O_O I'll put a vote down later hopefully but I'm just going to state that people should take an honest look at that and think "why would a player be so unopposed near deadline?"

[MathBlade]

Because you are obv scum and scum are trying to cross bus to give you Town cred but their attempts have a foundation weaker than a four hour long jenga game.

[MathBlade]

You also notice there is like no other content either.

[massive]

Well I was wondering when "start to fake-distance from massive" was gonna come up.

[massive]

Like, Gamma, why would it be bad that I'm looking at the Ginngie gambit the "wrong way" when if I look at it how Ginngie expects me to it means I should vote you?

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not exactly what I mean. You seem to be believing he wasn't up with the hype of the gambit, which I don't see as true.

[massive]

What does that mean, "up with the hype"

[Gamma Emerald]

It means he did or didn't believe in the validity of what he was doing.

[lime in da coconut]

@Lime

Your notes are hard to read. Can you pull the quotes most relevant to your current reads?

A fair request you made right here, but I can't give I fear,
A fair request you made right here, but I can't give I fear.

That would be difficult since it'd imply I have any posts which are most relevant to my current reads. While it's true enough certain posts had a larger influence, I wouldn't be able to single them out on memory alone. I included links to every area which I found of interest. Everything I brought forth was important. If you have trouble understanding part of my notes, just quote it and I will translate it.

I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.

I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.
I say I do! Thus I cannot follow that.
I say I do! Her as town fits all my facts.

Unless I get an explicit roleclaim from a player, I trust her to be town. Do you disagree with my belief that the town can and should have four (not three) roles this game?

[massive]

I do agree with your belief. Which is why I don't believe nancy is town. And I'm going to end up effectively counterclaiming her anyways no matter what she says. So here's me: I'm a backup to one of the dead roles. I guess I'll expect your vote on nancy in your next post?

[MathBlade]

So Gamma and Massive like I said yippie.

At work. The CC can wait.

I highly doubt the role madness anyway just saying.

[massive]

I do too, now. Please remember when I mentioned it we had three flipped PRs, Ginngie on a gambit, and me knowing my own role. But you can go after nancy.

[Grendel]

I kinda thought you were a power role Massive, with how you honed onto nancy's cliam. I was hoping you could keep it under wraps until later since we've had literally no aid from town's power at night this game. Sorry I was too late to back you up, and you felt you had to claim to get nancy lynched. :/

I guess on the bright side this means I don't have to work to get anybody to listen to me for once.

VOTE: nancy

massive,

Gamma Emerald, Ginngie,

PenguinPower

Drixx, MathBlade,

lime, nancy

-/-/-/-/-/-

Massive stands to gain nothing from 1 v 1ing another softed power role, and he claimed on his own volition under no pressure. I don't see a way Massive is scum in this situation barring some very left field theories.

I don't think that nancy handles a slot the way she handled Gamma earlier, and moreover I agree that Gamma being the only wagon today is very questionable.

Drixx is a toss up for me because for a while I thought that Korts might be a red herring. Ei a player scum read for playstle vs their actually motivations. after putting the slot off for a while it seems that their really isn't anything town like I recall from the slot. I'm too busy to check their isos right now, but I will look into it.

Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.

Lime and his predecessor have flown under the radar this game. This may be due to how Dark horse played up to my own thoughts on the game state intentionally or not (If dark hourse was purposely echoing me then wow, he really got inside me head). Lime doing little to push or poke outside of his recently competeled catch-up, and his handling Gamma/nancy aren't good. Scum also tend to leave in drop points vs proactively use points they've already made in the thread. Example here being how I asked Lime to explain they reads in a more cohesive manner, and they're response was that I should find it myself.

nancy avoiding my questions about claim at this stage were bad, her taking my town read on her for granted until I start questioning her slot is worse, her getting positively counterclaimed seals the deal.

-/-/-/-/-

I'd be lying if I said I'm wholly positive that the team is all in nancy, Lime, Math/Drixx. I do think that there is a chance that Penguin could be the final scum. I'm not prepared to jump away from my original tells, yet I'm not even sure why I was town reading eddie so hard outside of that specific reason.

Outside of him I would be very surprised to learn any of Massive/Gamma/Gingie were scum based off today's interactions alone.