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[MariaR]

What are you trying to accomplish with these questions?

I'm trying to read into your motivations and reasons.

[MariaR]

I don't really care about a wagon on me more so the people on it.

[Toranaga]

Can you explain why you're townreading Mulch's townlean on WM based on meta but are scumreading Fykus's? Like, what's the difference between the two?

those are very different reads! mulch is townreading WM based off of WM not being the type of scum that would FPS a miller claim early! Fykus is saying WM has claimed stuff early before as town, as if that mattered to his miller claim. it seems like a meta read just thrown there with the sole purpose of making his read seem more nuanced. that's why I think his read is scummy.

[Toranaga]

Don't like his defense

What's not to like?

The only thing I see that I've actually been accused of is Not Scumhunting.

24 hours into the game. And we've still got a handful of people who has barely posted anything.

The fact that you're 'Not Scumhunting' is precisely the problem.

You have a relatively significant number of posts, but very few of them are advancing the game. Instead, you're fluffposting and using sarcasm to discredit people's reads (118, 'nice to see I'm in a game with such good players who can develop serious reads less than 24 hours in').

You seem rather concerned about defending yourself and trying to undermine people's reads on you, and don't seem that interested in looking for scum.

VOTE: Havo

L-1.

I don't think skitter is villagery and this reads just agenda driven, trying to get town lynched here

I think maria is kinda villagery fwiw

skitter30

[Toranaga]

I meant townie

[Toranaga]

alright let's do another page of those excellent re-reads I was making

[Sergtacos]

[Toranaga]

Alright so I think I stopped working around this post:

Yay I'm back

@HEM: Do you think WM is scum? Or are you pushing a policy lynch on him? Similarly, do you

actually

want to lynch him today?

@Virtuoso: Was the scum thread open before the game started?

I'm townleaning WM atm. I think immediately claiming negative utility like that is inherently pro-town. Yes, he could always be scum lying to us so that he has an out if he's ever investigated, but I'm not really getting that vibe from him. Like, from 63 and 66,

he's fine with being suspected or tunneled

so long

as people evaluate him beyond his claim and actually try to sort him. He isn't trying to hide behind the claim, but wants people to interact with him

despite

it

.

I don't think I'd support a day1 lynch him atm; I want to lynch someone I, like, don't townlean.

I think this is a townie post. I really enjoy the part of the read I bolded and I agree that's very characteristic of town and unlike scum to act like WM was. I wonder if I gave this read before skitter posted that. hmmmm

Also yes I just voted skitter and now I'm villa reading her in this post. you need to be patient with me people . and I also just said maria is townie a bit and I don't like her posts around that page either.

115 is a fine post by misère and I enjoyed the maria read anyway. I do think some of the stuff here can be read like forcing reads a little, but it's nothing alarming.

well I spoke about 114 and 115 already in other posts.

126 from chip... not a huge fan of that post. 'could easily be persuaded to vote him' seems a little too forced for how early that was and how irrelevant most of the votes are. I think the post overrall seems a little thrown there more for the purpose of being read villagery than giving an actual read or solving or scumhunting.

ok clicking send and working more.

[Toranaga]

Continuing...

I don't know which i dislike more: the Toranaga slot's abysmal grip on how probability works, or the Havo slot's abysmal defence. But it looks like a Havo lynch might actually happen, so:

VOTE: Havo

maybe you're the one who doesn't understand probability at least when it comes to mafia games...

I also don't know if this was a read made to just mock my mathematical skills or if this was an actual scumread of me, because it's being phrased as one here with the 'looks like a havo lynch might actually happen'. I do find this phrase scummy in the sense of voting someone super early like that because the lynch might actually happen. if you signed up for a 2 week long game, why are you trying to rush 2 days into it? and in that sense, why wouldn't my lynch actually happen as well? the day is so long it might!

and in the next post chip is aware this is L-2 wow! so really trying to lynch havo early here

151 from chip also strikes me as agenda driven, really pushing Havo hard for admittedly weak reasons because "Not sure there is any value in dragging D1 out to a two week talkfest". but two days into it? most people aren't even playing properly because they signed up for a 2 week gameday, not a 2 day gameday. the thread is slow because the gameday is long, and there's always value in getting people to post more. this was nowhere near an exhaustive d1 yet, we were 151 posts into it! that's nothing! those reasons are bad, and don't come from a townie mindset.

then comes skitter's 154. it's been talked about already. it's a very terrible vote.

Hello? Why do we have Havo at L-1 7 pages in when there clearly softing PR. Get off this wagon the fact it picked up so fast with no counter wagon is red flags all over.
If you think Havo is scum we can come back later. Let's vote the band wagon jumper.

VOTE: Chip

and I absolutely love this from maria, so there you go

[Toranaga]

This game is moving fast, this is incredible.

I hate this from mulch. it's a scummy thing to be noticing. I also hate all of his reads in this page. hmmmm.

also

vote: chip

[Chip Butty]

This game is moving fast, this is incredible.

I hate this from mulch. it's a scummy thing to be noticing. I also hate all of his reads in this page. hmmmm.

also

vote: chip

You're only up to post 172 when the game has passed 800 and you're voting already? That's scummy enough for a vote, but i wanna stay on MariaR for now so you just get an FoS.

[Toranaga]

I didn't want to stay on skitter but sure I deserve being scumread by the person I'm voting for anyway

[Chip Butty]

I'd like to hear MariaR's opinion of Tora's recent just now vote on me...

[Chip Butty]

I didn't want to stay on skitter but sure I deserve being scumread by the person I'm voting for anyway

I've been scumreading you most of the game, so you're the one OMGUSing lol

[Toranaga]

I haven't kept track of who is scumreading me chip

but I'm not voting you for anything relating to me, I'm voting you for logic you displayed that I don't believe comes from town with regards to voting havo + interactions with havo. all in all it's even a little worse than that skitter vote.

[Chip Butty]

How do you even expect to be taken seriously when you are more than 600 posts behind the play, and you're voting?

[Toranaga]

say whaaaaaaaaaat



ok I'll catch up another 100 posts and keep voting you

[Chip Butty]

We're at 800+ dude. You're at 172. Do you even have electricity back then?

[Chip Butty]

Do you have to enter your posts on punch cards back in 172? Lol

[Chip Butty]

You made us wait so long, and now you're delivering so little...

[Chip Butty]

Try to catch up to us before nightfall, m'kay?

[Toranaga]

I'm in 4 games LOL

I'll be caught up man. yes I know it's dumb to read me going over 172 etc.

[Toranaga]

you mean tonight or a week from now? unless you find someone else you want to MAJ you woof

[Chip Butty]

You made my day, dude. That was so hilarious.

[Chip Butty]

I'm in 4 games LOL

I'll be caught up man. yes I know it's dumb to read me going over 172 etc.

Are you from the distant past in those games too?