IF PP = town, GE = scum. (PP scum =/= GE town; GE scum =/= PP town. ONLY PP town = GE scum.)
---------PP/Mathblade team (131/132)
++PP (135)
--Mathblade (139) -------PP/Mathblade team (139)
---Grendel (146) -----Grendel/PP team (146)
----Grendel/PP team (149) ---PP/Mathblade team (149)
+PP (149)
++++++++GE (154)
++++++GE/PP team (154)
?-?Drixx (160) -Drixx/GE team (160)
-Drixx/GE team (161)
++++GE (162)
+++GE/PP team (162)
--GE/Grendel team (162)
-Mathblade (168) -------PP/Mathblade team (168)
+GE (170)
++GE (171)
--Grendel (177) -Grendel/PP team (177)
+++++++GE (184) ++++++++GE/PP team (184)
--PP/Mathblade team (190)
---Mathblade (191) ------PP/Mathblade team (191)
++++++GE (199)
Tchill(t) (4): Drixx/GE
Mathblade(2): PP
Aristophanes(t) (2): town
PP(2): Grendel/Mathblade
?+?Drixx/Mathblade team ?+?GE/Mathblade team
?+?Drixx/PP team ?+?GE/PP team
-Drixx/GE team -Grendel/Mathblade team
+GE
+GE OR Drixx
-Drixx OR GE
+PP
?+?Grendel OR Mathblade
?-?Mathblade OR Grendel
+++GE (212)
++++PP (214)
+++GE (219)
++++GE (226)
-Drixx (229)
+GE (230)
+++++GE (244)
+PP (286)
---PP/Mathblade team (286)
++++PP (287)
--PP/Mathblade team (288)
+++PP (289)
+PP (290)
+PP (291)
+++PP (292)
+++PP (293)
++++++PP (297)
--PP/Mathblade team (297)
-Mathblade (299)
--PP/Mathblade team (299)
-----Mathblade (301)
----------PP/Mathblade team (301)
--Drixx (316)
-Drixx (319) +Drixx/PP team (319)
Tchill(t) (4): Drixx/GE
Mathblade(2): PP
Aristophanes(t): nancy(s)
--Mathblade
-Drixx (335/336)
+PP (339/340 are correct)
-Mathblade (339)
--PP/Mathblade team (339)
++++++++GE (343)
+++Drixx/GE team OR +++GE/PP team (343)
----GE/Mathblade team (343)
?+?PP (345)
---PP/Mathblade team (350)
+++++++GE (356)
++GE (359)
++++GE (365) ---GE/Mathblade team (365)
+++++PP (368) --PP/Mathblade team (368)
--Mathblade (369/370)
----PP/Mathblade team (369/370)
+++++++++PP (371)
------PP/Mathblade team (371)
----Mathblade (372/373/374)
------PP/Mathblade team (372/373/374)
----Drixx (375)
--Drixx/GE team (375)
+GE/PP team (378)
----PP/Mathblade team (378 and this is getting very old)
++++++++GE (383/384)
+++GE/PP team (383)
----GE/Mathblade team (383/384)
+++++GE (386)
++++++++++++PP (397)
----PP/Mathblade team (397)
Tchill(t) (4): Drixx
Mathblade(3): PP/GE
Aristophanes(t) (2): nancy(s)
--Grendel (402)
-GE/Grendel team (402)
?-?Grendel/PP team (402)
---Grendel (403)
++++++++GE (429)
----Mathblade (430)
--Mathblade (432)
-----Mathblade (442)
+++PP (444)
++++GE (445)
--Mathblade (446)
---PP/Mathblade; --GE/Mathblade (444/445/446)
Most important/consistent takeaways: I will never be considering a PenguinPower/Mathblade scumteam.
Something I did this time which I did not last time: in my first readthrough, in many places, positive/negative marks were given connotations off of interactions.
Here, I instead separated the two. However, this would not itself explain all the little differences between my first and second times through.
I expect to be questioned on discrepancies between my notes on the first and second. Not only that, but questions on things which
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 1399, Grendel wrote:I kinda thought you were a power role Massive, with how you honed onto nancy's cliam. I was hoping you could keep it under wraps until later since we've had literally no aid from town's power at night this game. Sorry I was too late to back you up, and you felt you had to claim to get nancy lynched. :/
I guess on the bright side this means I don't have to work to get anybody to listen to me for once.
VOTE: nancy
massive,
Gamma Emerald, Ginngie,
PenguinPower
Drixx, MathBlade,
lime, nancy
-/-/-/-/-/-
Massive stands to gain nothing from 1 v 1ing another softed power role, and he claimed on his own volition under no pressure. I don't see a way Massive is scum in this situation barring some very left field theories.
I don't think that nancy handles a slot the way she handled Gamma earlier, and moreover I agree that Gamma being the only wagon today is very questionable.
Drixx is a toss up for me because for a while I thought that Korts might be a red herring. Ei a player scum read for playstle vs their actually motivations. after putting the slot off for a while it seems that their really isn't anything town like I recall from the slot. I'm too busy to check their isos right now, but I will look into it.
Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.
Lime and his predecessor have flown under the radar this game. This may be due to how Dark horse played up to my own thoughts on the game state intentionally or not (If dark hourse was purposely echoing me then wow, he really got inside me head). Lime doing little to push or poke outside of his recently competeled catch-up, and his handling Gamma/nancy aren't good. Scum also tend to leave in drop points vs proactively use points they've already made in the thread. Example here being how I asked Lime to explain they reads in a more cohesive manner, and they're response was that I should find it myself.
nancy avoiding my questions about claim at this stage were bad, her taking my town read on her for granted until I start questioning her slot is worse, her getting positively counterclaimed seals the deal.
-/-/-/-/-
I'd be lying if I said I'm wholly positive that the team is all in nancy, Lime, Math/Drixx. I do think that there is a chance that Penguin could be the final scum. I'm not prepared to jump away from my original tells, yet I'm not even sure why I was town reading eddie so hard outside of that specific reason.
Outside of him I would be very surprised to learn any of Massive/Gamma/Gingie were scum based off today's interactions alone.
Look who finally becomes active a drops a vote on nancy.
Grendel from playing with me knows I am an overconfident player and well...He claims I am scummy because I am loud lololol
Grendel is stretching for reasons.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I quite frankly will not read all of that unless I can see some method of comprehending it.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Drixx/Korts
Ginngie
Game Replacement/Eddie Cane/PersephoneSidekick
Gamma Emerald/Sunlit Diamond/Draynth
MathBlade/Robbnva
Grendel/Kaboose
lime in da coconut/Dark Horse
Obviously this was a failed deadline rush wagon but I need the context for why it was Assemblerotws (who had zero votes in the previous votecount) rather than Vecna, humaneatingmonkey, or for that matter the vanity wagons of the time (Robbnva/massive/Eddie Cane/Grendel/Korts). Did Vecna claim? Did humaneatingmonkey claim?
Here the question becomes why Titus was the deadline-rush wagon rather than Game Replacement or Mathblade (or I suppose the nancy vanity wagon). Also, because I'm using this as a reference I want to have the failed D1 deadline rush VC quoted right next to this one for ease-of-comparison.
I honestly think there's a rather significant chance both scumbuddies are in Not Voting here. There has to be at least one, since the only scumteam with none would be Mathblade/Grendel. I'll keep an open mind to the possibility, but I rather sincerely doubt that combo.
Updated with extra alignments now which will help me in my reread. Additionally updated with D3 VCs.
Omg you do VCA like I do yay!
Let's be as my sister says thread masons?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Lime in da coconut wins the award for rolefishing as a reaction to me claiming to know of another PR. No town aligned player should want me to reveal such information, except in conditions where doing so would solve the game. And I certainly didn't say or imply that.
Is this as simple as Gamma Emerald and Lime?
@Ginngie - I would really like to see actual explanation and analysis please. I have a hard enough time getting a read on you. Short declarative statements for posts don't help. Even if it seems absurdly self-evident to you, can you please explain the rationale for how you arrive where you do? If you do it for no other reason than to demonstrate some new tools to help me, then at least do it for that please?
Good luck with that when I am the one on Gamma and pointed out the nancy question that lead to her lynch. Only reason I wasn't voting there was RL. So like unless you're saying me nancy Gamma your point makes no sense. And if you are help me "bus".
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense.
Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people.
She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot.
nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her.
This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."
Lol look Ginngie.
I am a master busser when I bus.
Seriously. I can provide samples. When I bus I buy stock in greyhound and run it into the ground.
Gamma is scum.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense.
Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people.
She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot.
nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her.
This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."
I was also manipulating nancy.
She in night and day lied and called me Town.
I had her pegged on read in and called her Town to get her to relax then lead Gamma wagon and then scum divert to another scum and you have the courage to bullshit I am scum?
ObvTown doesn't mean right.
We are lynching Gamma who scum didn't want lynched.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
You're logic is that Gamma is scum because nancy was a counterwagon is flawed because nancy was scum.
It's actually kinda bad in a vaccum and not just an association
Math I don't care about any of your responses?
You're the first I've analyzed using meta I know of nancy and actual analysis comparing to others.
When I'm done doing everyone else then maybe I'll reconsider but I'm not.
Also you went "hey but self meta and skills" instead of attacking my reasoning and telling me I'm wrong.
That just adds to the fact that you're trying to fight the argument using points that don't even matter
You're using meta.
I counter with meta.
I use actual stuff in this thread
Demonstrate that scum want Gamma alive and then you work with scum to try to get me lynched.
There isn't a wall big enough for me to facepalm on.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Seriously...Post count limited doesn't mean never post people.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense.
Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people.
She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot.
nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her.
This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."
I was also manipulating nancy.
She in night and day lied and called me Town.
I had her pegged on read in and called her Town to get her to relax then lead Gamma wagon and then scum divert to another scum and you have the courage to bullshit I am scum?
ObvTown doesn't mean right.
We are lynching Gamma who scum didn't want lynched.
Wait she LIED in night and day? can you cite this?
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
Drixx/Korts
PenguinPower/Game Replacement/Eddie Cane/ Perse
Gamma Emerald/Sunlit Diamond/ Draynth
####Mathblade/Robbnva
Grendel/Kaboose
line in da coconut/Dark Horse
Math/Robb scum
-no interactions wiht Robb but heavy defense
-no Math interactions and still defended
-town read for no explicit reasons
GE/Sunlit/Draynth
-no mention of Draynth
-same for sunlit
-scumread GE pre-gambit
Drixx, PP, GE, Math, Grendal, lime
Gin/GE
who left PP, Drixx, Math, Grendal, lime
PP/Game Replacement/Eddie
-1181, nancy pushes a Eddie scumread by posting a case on eddie scum
Gin/GE/PP
who left, Drixx, Math, Grendal, lime
Drixx/Korts
-really muddy interactions
-hard to tell
-brownie points for nancy digging at the robb push
-1015 causes confusion
-little to no interaction with drixx
Gin/GE/PP
who left Drixx, math, Grendal, lime
grendal/kaboose
-nothing on Kaboose
-1342 grendal leans town from interactions
-1366 lean TvS
-1417/1421 leans distancing
-1422 tips the scale to town
Gin/GE/PP/Grendal
who left Drixx, Math, lime
Shoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
Following the previous dozen pages that cropped up in the last 10 hours I would like to congratulate Ginngie for being drunk with distinction. - Vi
However, was always defending Robb by questioning and saying scumreads on him didn't make sense.
Considering its quite clear that nancy fucked heavily with asking a lot of questione, giving reasoning for people.
She has no basis for her reads to justify the defense of that slot.
nancy scum will call the scummiest teammate town. Example when she said Math was town even after the horribad push by Math on her.
This was nancy going "I don't understand why you're trying to bus me or distance, when she will just go "let us just townread each other."
I was also manipulating nancy.
She in night and day lied and called me Town.
I had her pegged on read in and called her Town to get her to relax then lead Gamma wagon and then scum divert to another scum and you have the courage to bullshit I am scum?
ObvTown doesn't mean right.
We are lynching Gamma who scum didn't want lynched.
Wait she LIED in night and day? can you cite this?
We talked on skype post game. I think she might have posted about it but I doubt it. I was curious as to how she read me so well and it came out. Hence earlier I said I pulled a nancy.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Game solved just no townies or anyone who isn't pocketed around.
*sigh*
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 1495, MathBlade wrote:Game solved just no townies or anyone who isn't pocketed around.
*sigh*
LOL rip Math, this post is so bad
If it said "townies not pocketed" it would be better but this shows the frustration Math is experiencing about not being able to get me lynched.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
Seriously Gamma and Grendel are scum. Ginngie is pocketed and Drixx is just like not trying.
I am frustrated and pissed because I solved this game a while back and no matter how much I try it doesn't matter:
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade