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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:02 am

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In post 466, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't understand how applying pressure and forcing someone to contribute more than what they're currently doing doesn't help you develop a read.

You don't need to be looking for all 3 scum either - you only need one for Day One and then you go from there.
ran into this in the Una iso.

filing it away in the 'is this accidental TMI?' folder

I'm used to game sizes going from 9 (7v2) to 13 (10v3) so I'm not sure if 12p games here typically have 2 or typically have 3 scum - I'm guessing it depends on the PRs they have. 10v2 sounds really shitty for mafia to have to pull 5 mislynches to win, so I'd only think it'd be the case if there is extra kill power in the game, be it mafia or other
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:10 am

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I think Una is pretty damn towny after his iso. anyone who is saying he should be lynched - can you show me why?
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:11 am

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mafiascum just previewed my own post before I posted that wtf
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:28 am

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In post 1202, PantherPunt wrote:mafiascum just previewed my own post before I posted that wtf
Connection issue.
That is the way you can accidentally doublepost too! :lol:
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:28 am

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In post 1201, PantherPunt wrote:I think Una is pretty damn towny after his iso. anyone who is saying he should be lynched - can you show me why?
I would like to hear the same.
Funnily enough, Srceenplay and BBT, two of the four I marked read earlier have both said I could be lynched.. :]
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:29 am

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"marked *red" on the above
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:58 am

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T
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Mulch/cd
Tchill - but do have pause by apparent avoidance of this game

??? - left to sort
morality/pisskop - need to relook but gut says towny, can't help but be paranoid it was a strategic replace out after opening day with 2 quick votes
havingfitz - read him, but not really anything there to help me make an alignment call
BBT - like some of his pots, dislike some; recent behavior is evasive and acting like he won't talk about anything until ghostlin is dead
Srceenplay - haven't read but gut says scummy from bits and pieces
Ghostlin - really dislike his posting when I got deeper into it, Vedith didn't set off any major alarm bells, claim thing is weird but ime scum don't do that, caveat is I'm not used to MS meta rn
tictac - need to read but have had an ongoing bad feeling about him due to my impression that he is kinda sidelining and not realllly caring to find, push, lynch scum

I think I like that ordering for now but that's what I need to hammer out
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:15 am

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In post 1199, PantherPunt wrote:
In post 1184, Srceenplay wrote:My biggest problem is with Vedith claiming vig and ghost saying he lied.

If people want to get on something different I would still be ok with tic or una.


I have a lot to catch up on site and probably need the weekend to do it.
In post 1185, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, the claim is something that can't be left untested.

Also, I could lynch Una. But after Ghostlin.
So in your guys' experience, it is more likely that scum will fake claim a PR on day 1 with no reason to do so?
I don't see VT lying to save themselves that early witch could potentially out another PR on accident.
So to me it seems more likely to be a scum trying to save themselves from an early lynch.
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:17 am

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In post 1200, PantherPunt wrote:I'm used to game sizes going from 9 (7v2) to 13 (10v3) so I'm not sure if 12p games here typically have 2 or typically have 3 scum - I'm guessing it depends on the PRs they have.
Coincidentally I looked through the Normal game archives this morning. Of the 4 or 5 12P games I came across before I stopped looking...only 1 had 2 scum. All the others had 3. I would err on the side of caution iiwy and assume 3.
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:47 am

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In post 562, Mulch wrote:The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/
Any progress on this read?
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:33 am

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Spoiler: Una ISO
Day 1:


ISO1/#12 - Points suspicions towards the 4 players on the page 1 Vedith wagon. Say 1 of 4 is scum (Tchill, BBT, tictac, Dunker).

ISO3/#348 - 24 hours later he finally places a vote and it's not on any of the 4 players alluded to above. Also says he is most likely the same alignment as L-1 Mulch (who I am currently tr'ing). This would play in well with scum Una if the impending lynch on Mulch had gone through and he turned out to be town like I suspect atm. tictac calls him out on this association with Mulch and places a harmless Una vote.

ISO5/#461 - Lamenting his activity and lack of reads.

Spends a few posts shading Dunker but stating it's not enough to vote him.

ISO12/#474 - A little sarcasm directed at Tchill and Aero/fitz for the lack of attention they have been gettting.

ISO13/#478 - Says he can get behind a Tchill wagon (for essentially lynch all lurker reasoning) but doesn't put a vote on Tchill.

ISO16/#532 - Blows a little smoke up Creature's ass.

ISO21/#580 - Despite not really feeling a Dunker lynch up to this point decides to vote Dunk for the info his lynch would bring vs the pisskop counterwagon.
Not feeling this Dunker vote.


ISO22/#598 - I haven't ISO's Srceenplay yet but this Una post feels like playful banter/distancing between partners.

ISO23/#643 - Defends self a bit against Creature...Creature who is such a strong player per Una. Creature who seems certain Una is scum and who died N1.

ISO24/#680 - Unvotes Dunker and says he is probably town.

ISO27/#685 - Long post describing theory that Dunker was a counter to Srceenplay's L-5 wagon. No mention of the other wagons that were popping up in the same timeframe as the Dunker wagon (i.e. pisskop and Tchill).

ISO29/#707 - pisskop is way more likely scum than Elyse. Votes pisskop. Don't recall any reasoning.

ISO32/#713 - Sheeps Creature on BBT with no reasoning.

ISO33/#715 - Doesn't think Elyse is scum.

ISO34/#751 - Agreesa that Elyse would make a good late day policy lynch (along with Aero/fitz).

ISO35/#788 - Back to pisskop. Brings the wagon to L-2 and stays there the rest of day 1. If Una is scum....pisskop/Morality probably town.

Day 2:


ISO43/#1073 - Scumreading BBT, Srceenplay and Ghostlin...votes BBT for terrible ISO.

ISO45/#1077 - Advocates against the Ghostlin L-2 wagon because BBT and Srceenplay are on it. Somewhat consistent with his reads but also convenient if he is off a Ghostlin lynch that winds up hitting town.

tl;dr:


I could get behing a Una lynch. Nothing jumps out at me as town and he has managed to subtley support a few wagons while avoiding pushing them. i.e. Low commitment with a lot of shading is how I interpret his ISO.

Still have a few more ISO's to do but this feels better than anyone I've ISO'd so far.

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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:36 am

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In post 1207, Srceenplay wrote:I don't see VT lying to save themselves that early witch could potentially out another PR on accident.
So to me it seems more likely to be a scum trying to save themselves from an early lynch.
But then again, IF the slot is scum, his replacement gave up on the story rather easy..
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:47 am

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In post 1210, havingfitz wrote:I could get behing a Una lynch. Nothing jumps out at me as town and he has managed to subtley support a few wagons while avoiding pushing them. i.e. Low commitment with a lot of shading is how I interpret his ISO.
You have a good post there, it just feels like you read my ISO with the idea that you WANT to find me scum.. :]

Go read it again with the assumption that I ACTUALLY thought we had one scum active very early:
In post 12, UnaBombaH wrote:So one of the above is opportunistic, and should be the wagon.
I'll give the other three a pass.

Which of you is scum?
I played this off "jokingly", and the only one who took contact with me or Vedith after that, OR would find a need to explain themselves.. would be the one who was actually most worried about appearances.
Lo and behold:
In post 11, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: Vedith
INTO
In post 15, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Or you could join the wagon.
INTO
In post 17, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Let's see that vote then!
INTO
In post 25, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Pagetop.

This pagetop hereby confirms that Vedith is at L-1.

So no 'I didn't see votes'.
A very concerned townie. Yes.
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In post 31, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Vedith could actually be scum here
???

So you see, I'm not going to assume Vedith-slot flips scum, and even if it does, BBT is almost certainly bussing.
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:20 am

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In post 1212, UnaBombaH wrote:You have a good post there, it just feels like you read my ISO with the idea that you WANT to find me scum..

Go read it again with the assumption that I ACTUALLY thought we had one scum active very early:
I had no preconceived read on you. You were my 4th or 5th ISO and the first to come off suspect.

And your opinion we had 1 scum active early means nothing to me. You may very well be right. Assuming 3 scum thats the same odds as the entire game. No revelation or risk required.
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:35 am

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In post 1212, UnaBombaH wrote:So you see, I'm not going to assume Vedith-slot flips scum, and even if it does, BBT is almost certainly bussing.
This makes me feel a lot more comfortable with una and ghost scum
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:34 pm

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Tictac hasn't posted since Monday morning. Wtf? Is he covertly v/la?

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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:47 pm

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In post 1209, havingfitz wrote:
In post 562, Mulch wrote:The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/
Any progress on this read?
He hasn't posted, so no
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:05 pm

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Vote Count

Ghostlin (4) - Srceenplay, BlueBloodedToffee, Mulch, Morality
Srceenplay (1) - Ghostlin
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - UnaBombaH
UnaBombaH (1) - havingfitz

Not Voting (3) - PantherPunt, tictac, Tchill13

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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:47 pm

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Tchill is signing up for new normal games...
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:48 pm

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Can we get this day over with? What's the point in waiting 20 years?
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:36 pm

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In post 1219, Mulch wrote:Can we get this day over with? What's the point in waiting 20 years?
Because I strongly disagree with Ghostlin being the lynch.
And I already know that the frustration-reaction temper tantrum is to vote me, but that is a mislynch.

I do not understand why someone like you is so eager to just tunnel the slot.
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:45 pm

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Fine, let's wait 15 days. Someone can tell me how Ghostlin's pisskop reasoning makes any sense. Then we'll talk
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:51 pm

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In post 1221, Mulch wrote:Fine, let's wait 15 days. Someone can tell me how Ghostlin's pisskop reasoning makes any sense. Then we'll talk
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:34 pm

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I don't understand why it's taking so long to lynch Ghostlin.

Go back to beginning of game and look at Vedith's reaction to being run-up. Then his claim of vig and Ghostlin's inmediate reversal of that when he joins.

It doesn't add up and that slot cannot possibly live through to LyLo. Lynch it now please.
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:23 am

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If we don't lynch him I'm investigating bbt tonight glgl

Guy is taking the most narrow focus of all time today and not evaluating anyone else or engaging anyone who tries to engage him. He can't be allowed to make it to lylo. Tbh we should just lynch him
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