The New Newbie Game Setup

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Post Post #95 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:49 am

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Here's another possibility for a table. In this one, you simply pick one mafia role and then pick one town role from each adjacent box, adding a Mafia Goon and 5 VT's.
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Tracker

----OR----
Town Roleblocker
Town Cop

----OR----
Town Jailkeeper
Mafia Goon
Town Doctor

----OR----
Town Rolecop
Mafia Rolecop

I think this makes it even easier to quickly understand the possible setups, and it isn't as busy. It doesn't detail exactly how the setup is chosen like the others do, but the table is meant for players (and the moderator is given the setup to use by the listmod anyway).

By the way, I think it's an awesome setup, even with the balance concerns. I really like that there are 2 guaranteed town PR's but the scum still have decent fakeclaims.

Also Mulch, any PR in an open setup has significant town utility, even if it is never used to any effect. The negative utility caused by the RB blocking another town PR that would otherwise have done something useful is slim in comparison.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:14 am

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My original idea was a triangle, which would probably look the nicest, though we'd need image for that. The one you made might look better with the corner cells just removed (and merged into the adjacent cells), though I do like how it resembles a brick wall :P
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Post Post #98 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:16 am

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Ooh actually it would look even nicer in a honeycomb-ish pattern.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:13 pm

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In post 110, mastina wrote:I don't really have a rational explanation for why I'd never use it
I have the same feeling, and I think a good explanation is that if the mafia RB is the only scum alive and the town RB is the only town PR alive, the scum's roleblock would be completely useless if town RB had priority.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:09 am

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If you use that diagram you have to rename the setup Triforce12. :P
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Post Post #131 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:37 am

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Idk I'm not here to discuss the balance of the setup. That's already been done. I'm just here to help find the clearest way to present it.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:01 am

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Though having a balanced winrate isn't the primary goal of the Newbie Queue.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:02 am

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I know it's probably not what you're looking for, but C4 being Town Neapolitan and Town Neapolitan would probably not be that townsided and would potentially be really interesting. :lol:

I think it's pretty scumsided as it is though, given that scum getting neapolitan guiltied can easily claim cop without having to even give results.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #8) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:05 am

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Also B2 is maybe balanced but swingy as hell depending on whether one scum gets lynched early.

Overall it looks like a solid setup though. I don't think either variant is worse balance-wise than Matrix6.

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