Mini 1947: Board Game uPick: The Expansion! Game Over

[Something_Smart]

hi morph I'm town this game

so I can benefit from your brainpower instead of cowering in fear of it.

[Something_Smart]

Something smart, I hope.

[Something_Smart]

hi morph I'm town this game

so I can benefit from your brainpower instead of cowering in fear of it.

yeah well instead of smart morph you get drunk morph dealwqithit

It's ok, I hydra with Ari, I'm used to it.

[Something_Smart]

You're not worth the effort it would take to kill you.

this is literally my towngame

[Something_Smart]

I feel like such a third wheel.

[Something_Smart]

I'm formerlydrunkmorph aka spayhalf.

The margaritas wore off a couple hours ago.

So you say you're town, eh?

Indeed.

Honestly people say scum is freeing but I'm terrified of misstepping as scum whereas as town I just say whatever the hell I want. So you'll be seeing that if you haven't already

[Something_Smart]

I find it kind of weird that Ffery didn't say anything to me about the roleplay and instead went serious mode trying to 'sort' SS.

Why is that weird?

Hey everyone! Just gonna say this now

Do not vote us

If we don't get more then 2 votes today we get extra abilities otherwise they go away.

Day 2 policy lynch acquired

[Something_Smart]

Day 2 policy lynch acquired

Listen smart I will fking destroy you and everything you love
~Maria (although I would've been shocked if you didn't guess it was me)

Not if you're dead

[Something_Smart]

Also yeah I would have known it was you because Dunn would have called me Something_Scummy.

[Something_Smart]

it's like you're asking to be OMGUSed?

[Something_Smart]

Yeah I like my vote.

But you don't like to answer questions?

[Something_Smart]

although to be fair 54 did give me the willies a little bit.

[Something_Smart]

Don't enable scum to get rid of a potential town ability as a joke please.

This is phrased weirdly

I don't think scum would be more likely to place the damaging vote than town would, for the exact reason that whoever did so would (rightfully) receive the actual heat for it.

[Something_Smart]

I told Cabd before he passed out that I thought your reaching out to us immediately after the For Us game looks a little town. Comment was lighthearted, but not in jest.

I have no doubt that it was real. As I almost clarified before deciding that it wouldn't help anything, I have no issue with the read itself but the post just felt slightly pockety.

Because now that I'm town you get to see genuine crippling paranoia

Also Chickadee I think that's why he said

potential

town ability.

[Something_Smart]

We should work well together then.

[Something_Smart]

well my thought was to not touch it today and deal with it later.

[Something_Smart]

And yeah RC is acting strange but it's still clearly RC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Something_Smart]

We should work well together then.

"Mafia is a game of paranoia and trust. Sometimes the paranoia is unwarranted. Sometimes the trust is misplaced."

this is like me, except replace "sometimes" with "usually".

[Something_Smart]

hi .000002!

I'm simplifying of course.

[Something_Smart]

And yeah RC is acting strange but it's still clearly RC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Acting strange how?

Stilted is not a bad word for it. You're being aggressive in an annoyingly hard-to-reach way.

And yeah RC is acting strange but it's still clearly RC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is it?

To me, at least. I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head who uses -this- for emphasis.

[Something_Smart]

hi .000002!

I'm simplifying of course.

Are you a scientist or engineer in real life?

I am a college student studying computer science.

But mostly I'm just a smartass.

Stilted is not a bad word for it. You're being aggressive in an annoyingly hard-to-reach way.

Do you think this is a scumtell?

Not necessarily.

[Something_Smart]

Chess.

Or if that doesn't count, Secret Hitler.

[Something_Smart]

Why do you keep implying that I'm Raskolnikov imitating RC

They never implied that?

[Something_Smart]

Chickadee's vote wasn't what I considered the pro-town play but her subsequent responses were fine.

I don't think the interaction between your slot and morph's is indicative of alignment.

[Something_Smart]

Gerry made no impression on me. They could be scum I guess.

you could say this about anyone ever

no, you couldn't say it about someone who has made an impression.

[Something_Smart]

Simplest and best answer that I can give is that if I were scum you wouldn't be scumreading me right now.

While probably true, this is a terrible argument to make.

@mod: V/LA 72 hours please. Definitely have a very bad UTI, possibly bad enough to have spread to the kidney. 2 doses of antibioitics in atm, and some of the worst symptoms are clearing up, but still feverish and literally spent all day in bed. If I'm not good in 72 hours, it will mean hospitalization and I'll replace out. Apologies.

acknowledged

I hope you feel better soon

I feel good about my vote, MKA's name calling is not pro town.

Probably but is it scummy? There's a difference.

Something_Smart - Town lean, for their genuine responses. I think #83 and #89 come from town.

Call me self-centered but I'm curious why those two posts in particular gave you town feelings.

I have a question for rask: If you could become confirmed town at the expense of an assured day one town lynch, would you do it?

So basically, if you could become confirmed town at essentially no cost?

>...ActionDan, 100% town...

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Something_Smart]

Town should be trying to build alliances with other town not just agitate people.

I have the same objection to this though. Just because town SHOULD be doing this doesn't mean they WILL.

[Something_Smart]

???

morph is buddying me, not the other way around

and I don't think I've even stated any reads (except for a tentative implied one on RC), let alone expressed confidence in them?

[Something_Smart]

A question for everyone: If you ranked every slot by "potential as town player"; who would be your top three? Same thing but for scum? And yes, I am going somewhere with this.

Potential to do what?

[Something_Smart]

I haven't played with a lot of the playerlist, but among the players I know I'd put {morph, MKA, Drixx or Creature} for town and {Arcade Pals, MKA, gerryoat} for scum.

Pedit: okay take Creature off the town list

[Something_Smart]

Although maybe I shouldn't be bashing Creature's skill as town because I think he is scum this game.

[Something_Smart]

You mean Normal Idea?

That's correct, I don't have any strong reads yet.

[Something_Smart]

His vote and reasoning was lazy, and his early posts (particularly 209) don't sound like his usual gamesolve-y self; I'd think as town he'd try to interact or do a little more with his reads than just passively mention them.

[Something_Smart]

do you know where they're going with it?

[Something_Smart]

I hate getting voted.

What's your point?

[Something_Smart]

Also I've yet to see a reason from anyone on my wagon that's not a literal falsehood.

[Something_Smart]

What statement of random's do you agree with?

[Something_Smart]

Can you point to a read I have, show how confident I am in that read, and explain why that is overly confident?

[Something_Smart]

Okay.

Because I'm really interested to know how you can read my mind.

[Something_Smart]

Post 80 seems weird because to me it looks like you're posting for the sake of posting.

I mean, that's not that far off. I'm posting for the sake of sharing my honest thoughts. But how do you figure that that's a scum characteristic?

[Something_Smart]

Okay.

Has your gut historically been accurate in that regard?

[Something_Smart]

By the way, I don't believe that you should vote someone you have a very slight scumread on for the purposes of sorting them better. In my experience that leads to confbias as you're asked to defend your vote and you start making up reasons you otherwise wouldn't have had.

At least for me, the best way to pressure is to ask questions and poke people, which is what I've been doing.

And yes I was using meta on Creature. He's one of those people where you'll get nowhere if you don't.

[Something_Smart]

Additionally, why didn't you try to question him on his reads then? And why is it lazy if he doesn't have a better alternative.

Because town!Creature is generally quiet about his early reads to good effect. The fact that he didn't share the reads wasn't my concern.

And he had several alternatives: starting a new wagon or just not voting.

[Something_Smart]

I'm not confident enough plus the other two wagons are my bigger townreads.

Why didn't you start another wagon then?

[Something_Smart]

What wagon do you want?

I didn't say I wanted any wagon. I certainly don't want my own. I'm just wondering why, when you decided to vote, you didn't vote a scumread.

[Something_Smart]

On what?

[Something_Smart]

Top suspect is Creature. Top townread is probably Mad King but I don't have very many townreads so that isn't saying much.

Bearing in mind, I'm still waiting for TiaM to explain his reasoning on me.

[Something_Smart]

But if I remember correctly you're good at towntelling.

Curious as to what game(s) you're basing this off of, since I don't believe we've ever played together.

[Something_Smart]

I do remember that, though I've tried to block my EM days out of my memory.

On EM I definitely had better and worse days. Same as here really, though I think my towntelling game has been pretty good recently. (My scumhunting game on the other hand has been shit so that's why I haven't been particularly forthcoming about my reads.)

With Creature, it just doesn't feel like his early towngame. Granted I haven't played that much with him but several times when I have I've gotten strong townreads on him off the bat. Here his comments feel hollow and they don't seem like he's genuinely working through things. (Of course this can change, it's not as strong as it probably sounds but I'm just putting down all the things that come to mind.) I'm trying to figure out exactly what feels wrong about 209, might be that when hiding reads like that normally he addresses and engages others but here it sounds like he's saying it just to say it. And then his vote on me just for having a wagon while afterward claiming to have townread me doesn't really make sense especially since I know Creature to not shy away from unpopular reads.

[Something_Smart]

That was probably more than you were expecting. It was more than I was expecting tbh, I just like to talk a lot lol. Like I said that isn't as strong a read as it probably seems because I'm a strong believe in taking my time and trying to avoid confbias as much as possible.

[Something_Smart]

Oh.

[Something_Smart]

I don't understand mods who do that

[Something_Smart]

not the response I was expecting

[Something_Smart]

[Something_Smart]

was that compulsive?

[Something_Smart]

^that gives people an out to continue pushing in it...

and whoever is scum on my wagon will probably take it

[Something_Smart]

It's not a shot...

[Something_Smart]

One of them is going to die though...

[Something_Smart]

The only issue with targeting RC is that he tends to get killed a lot as town anyway, so you've painted even more of a target on his back.

Though having him as conftown is very useful.

[Something_Smart]

You could have waited until later in the day at least

[Something_Smart]

That was at morph

[Something_Smart]

I can imagine exactly how that sentence is going to finish lol

[Something_Smart]

okay guess not. lmao. Fair point though, what I liked was his explanation that his vote on me was not for the same reasons as random's.

[Something_Smart]

I don't find Chickadee or Porkens particularly town, I can see where you're coming from on all the other reads though.

[Something_Smart]

wait..THAT LIST WAS MY IDEA FFERY YOU JERK ;~:

You guys hard-towned our top scumread. :/ I was giving you a pass and blaming Dunnstral.

though to be fair, it looks like they were right.

[Something_Smart]

Does Morph know what power specifically?

probably but there's no point in fishing it. it will be in the hands of conftown anyway.

[Something_Smart]

More like a d12 actually.

[Something_Smart]

Let's talk about Chickadee @ morph

I don't see anything she's said as unlikely to come from scum. Her reasons to townread me were a bit flimsy especially when I thought there were other posts I made that were more representative of my town mindset than the ones she referenced. In particular her response to 83 does not feel real.

Why do you townread her?

[Something_Smart]

I mean you could not take the game so seriously because it's just a game

but that's just me

[Something_Smart]

It was a dislike of one particular post iirc.

[Something_Smart]

If I die in the next votecount Mad King Ashnard is Confirmed Town

Cheat and Steal: Mad King Ashnard

@Mod can you confirm whether you have any actions currently pending resolution?

[Something_Smart]

So uh. Cat, do you really claim that still?

hm, I wonder if it's a gambit

[Something_Smart]

If I die in the next votecount Mad King Ashnard is Confirmed Town

Cheat and Steal: Mad King Ashnard

@Mod can you confirm whether you have any actions currently pending resolution?

The mod hears this question. The mod is ignoring this question

I'm gonna take this as a no.

VOTE: Mad King Ashnard

Also lyncher lol.

[Something_Smart]

If you are also scum and you told them to do it.

Literally the only reason I can think of.

Pedit: thanks Creature you're only the third person to bring that up.

[Something_Smart]

RC has done it before, in an open setup no less.

[Something_Smart]

I really can't fathom any reason why morph-scum would do this to RC-town. Since scum have daytalk if scum wanted to sacrifice one of their members to lynch RC there's no way it would be morph, and morph could likely walk whoever they wanted to sacrifice through all the same stuff they did here to make it just as convincing. Unless morph has some super specialized role like Day 2 Vengeful or some shit like that.

[Something_Smart]

Also Chickadee's 369 could be a last-minute distance attempt. In general scum are probably more likely to be found in the people who tangentially commented on this and then tried to steer clear of it.

[Something_Smart]

WhyMafia has moved up in my townreads.

[Something_Smart]

RC that's a dumb question

[Something_Smart]

Oh so you're claiming scum lol.

Fair enough, though I guess that discussion would be better had postgame

[Something_Smart]

Actually reading that again it's not necessarily a scumclaim. It's not really a helpful question to be asking though.

[Something_Smart]

Say what now?

[Something_Smart]

Actually that wasn't why. I was just being snarky at gerry who asked if it might be a gambit immediately after you reiterated that it was not a gambit.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Morph the cat

Serious vote.

Oh, hi RC.

Oh nvm, you're Rask...

(when I made 207 and 208 I didn't notice it was a hydra of RC and Rask)

[Something_Smart]

I posted that because I wasn't sure what to make of it.

Although I wouldn't try to read into anything RC did after you targeted him.

[Something_Smart]

I'm confused.

[Something_Smart]

though to be fair, it looks like they were right.

How does it look like we're right? You realize if rc slot is scum he has to play it casual until the votecount and call Morph a liar then. Freaking out about it before a votecount appears would only look bad. I don't think you should be able to tell what is happening yet from reactions

Sorry I missed this in all the rapid posting. I don't believe that what he did was scum!RC's only option; he could have pushed on it as an obvious gambit from the beginning, or he could have preemptively claimed a role that would cause the investigation to fail (like ascetic). He could even have preemptively claimed mason, lol. The reason I thought that he wouldn't play into this as scum is that any of the above would have given him a lower chance of being lynched than doing what he did.

Additionally, there was a worst-case scenario element. Having low expectations is good because it makes it harder to be disappointed, and so I was operating under the assumption that RC was town because there was no downside to making that assumption, even if it turned out to be wrong.

I don't trust M k a at all I do trust morph

Well, then you're not very good at this game are you? Assuming that you're town ofc.

Are you saying that a good player would ignore a guilty and trust the unsupported mason claim instead?

Regardless of your reads, that's just mechanically stupid.

So it feels to me more like you and Morph are trying to rush the lynch before my mason buddy can show up so that you get the lynch through.

Right, that's why they specifically said not to let you get above L-2...

Also if you're banking everything on your mason buddy verifying you, you might as well just claim who it is. Pretty sure that the actions of you and others have narrowed it down to {WhyMafia, Drixx} anyway, so you're not helping much by keeping it hidden.

[Something_Smart]

Oh and this should be obvious.

If you're town, and you're neighbors with RC:

I don't care how towny he's been in the neighborhood, or how persuasive an argument he makes.

Do not

fakeclaim masons with him.

[Something_Smart]

@whoever said it was a d12. Lolnope:

I don't know the game, lol. I was just referring to the fact that you picked one target out of 12 possible targets.

[Something_Smart]

The pool is 2 people.

It's too late to say "I'd rather the pool not be reduced if it doesn't have to".

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE:
Now we wait.

[Something_Smart]

What's Drixx's flavor?

[Something_Smart]

So why is it Adventure Mason? Why not something more Catan-specific?

Lol TiaM.

[Something_Smart]

Okay. No further questions.

Now we wait for Drixx to confirm or deny.

[Something_Smart]

Ok can you explain why you voted me based on a falsehood?

[Something_Smart]

Can you elaborate on what you meant by your reasons?

[Something_Smart]

I could see it. I question if he would make 417 knowing that nothing would happen, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Something_Smart]

Can you elaborate on what you meant by your reasons?

certainly!
starts out with the buddy of morph in 12. it was an extremely confident start but then you proceed to talk about very little of import for your next few posts. as you said, you are terrified of misstepping as scum. it seemed like someone came in confident, worried they seemed too obvious and reeled it back in. this was mainly off of pages 1-3 iirc

What would you have expected town-me to talk about in those next few posts?

[Something_Smart]

That's... weak. What confidence I did show in my first post was confidence that it was going to be a good game, I don't know why I would be expected to continue to show that. Beyond that it was friendliness and relief that I didn't have to take on town!morph as scum again. (And I think you're confusing "buddying" with "being friendly".)

And there wasn't really anything to push on in the first few pages, either. As soon as I saw something game-related I wanted to bring up, I did (47).

So I still don't see why you think that's more likely to come from scum?

[Something_Smart]

more like

InactionDan

[Something_Smart]

Because we're waiting for Drixx to confirm or contradict the claim.

[Something_Smart]

that question has already been asked and answered

[Something_Smart]

Lmao one day I'll understand you.

I am firmly of the belief that nobody will ever understand Porkens.

Also I think lynching MKA before Drixx has a chance to respond is unfair to Drixx.

[Something_Smart]

I'm pretty sure that vote lock was not an active ability because who would use it like that

[Something_Smart]

Hmm you might be right.
VOTE: Meeple

[Something_Smart]

No, ss, not the meeple.

Lynch morph

Why?

[Something_Smart]

What makes you think they're scum?

[Something_Smart]

So you're saying that ffery and Cabd are so incompetent as scum they can't come up with a fakeclaim that fits a daycop?

[Something_Smart]

What makes you think they're scum?

Have you ever seen a role even remotely similar to the one that they're suggesting that they have?
More to the point: do you think that the mod would put such a cancerous role in the game that essentially encourages you to blindly target the strongest player with it, given D1 only?
More to the point: have you noticed that they shut up for a very long time when I outed Drixx as my partner and yet several people have been trying to encourage a quickhammer?

- Yes, it's very similar to a desperado

- I don't know the mods' meta, so I don't believe one way or the other

- Yes, those people encouraging a quickhammer are dumb as waiting is the correct move

[Something_Smart]

It is mechanically similar. It is still advantageous to use on scum rather than town and claiming that there's no information day 1 is ridiculous.

[Something_Smart]

I lost a large theme game as scum because somebody was a desperado and forgot his role until MYLO.

[Something_Smart]

I feel like either way this goes, we get two scum? But I'm pretty sure morph is the right lynch.

Who's the second in each case?

[Something_Smart]

And do you mean the connection between their role and desperado? Because both are day actions that die (and clear their target) if they target town.

[Something_Smart]

Twoinamillion is scum.

How confident?

[Something_Smart]

My question is who are said buddies.

[Something_Smart]

Figure what all out? That they die if they target town?

[Something_Smart]

Did they crumb it?

Also I don't know or care when I thought of it. The role IS similar whether people notice it or not.

[Something_Smart]

Figure what all out? That they die if they target town?

Wait, that's a slip.

A slip that I believe morph's claim, sure.

[Something_Smart]

pls move me down a tier I refuse to share a row with Porkens.

[Something_Smart]

Figure what all out? That they die if they target town?

Wait, that's a slip.

A slip that I believe morph's claim, sure.

Why do you believe his claim?

Occam's razor.

[Something_Smart]

You have to assume a whole lot of bullshit to believe that the guilty is fake.

You don't have to assume anything to believe that it's real.

[Something_Smart]

If we were scumbuddies we'd already have a room lol

[Something_Smart]

Figure what all out? That they die if they target town?

Wait, that's a slip.

A slip that I believe morph's claim, sure.

Why do you believe his claim?

Occam's razor.

You're horribly misapplying Occam's Razor if you think that town having some fucked up daycop that gives power only usable on day 1 targetting scum who proceeds to out their scumbuddy to fight a 2v1 is more likely than scum with some weird role that benefits from lynching a specific target fakeclaiming a guilty on a strong town player to get the lynch through.

Who said you were outing your scumbuddy? Drixx hasn't responded to the claim yet.

You don't have to assume anything to believe that it's real.

You have to assume that there is a weird fucked up daycop role and that it is for some reason called cheat and steal.

Clearly morph is familiar with the game they claimed. To say that a daycop is unlikely to be called cheat and steal is to totally miss the point of a uPick.

You have to assume a whole lot of bullshit to believe that the guilty is fake.

You don't have to assume anything to believe that it's real.

Huh? I'm sorry, you are going to have to dumb it down for me.

Okay if it's fake:
-The game contains masons with a factional ability
-One of the masons just happens to be the absent player
-The scum decided to fakeclaim a guilty Day 1
-The scum chose morph, a very strong player, to take the fall for that guilty

If it's real:
-The game contains a strange desperado variant
-RC tried to stall as scum by fakeclaiming masons with an absent player

[Something_Smart]

Because RC claimed mason, so if he's town then he's a mason...?

[Something_Smart]

What you don't seem to get is that whether or not I think King is town is dependent on whether or not Drixx claims to be their mason buddy, precisely because scum wouldn't trade 2 for 1.

Hence we wait for Drixx.

[Something_Smart]

Drixx claims mason: lynch morph.
Drixx doesn't claim mason: lynch MKA.

[Something_Smart]

Porkens, we're taking a break from your bullshit. Possibly for 24 hours. More likely for the remainder of the game.

Fixed

[Something_Smart]

Morph got a modified daycop guilty on MKA, who claimed masons with you in defense.

If you are a mason and don't claim, we'll lynch MKA and you'll be outed anyway.

[Something_Smart]

the bravado is not necessary from either one of you.

[Something_Smart]

Drixx you had one job

[Something_Smart]

You REALLY want to take drixx with you don't you?

It could be the opposite, they could be setting Drixx up for endgame

[Something_Smart]

do you still want the day to go on longer?

[Something_Smart]

It's not a daycop, it's a modified daycop that's actually closer to a desperado. Did you read the post where they claimed?

[Something_Smart]

What's up Chickadee

Are you softing vote locker or something

[Something_Smart]

I'm not the one who softed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Something_Smart]

Did you think that scum would be MORE likely to miss it?

[Something_Smart]

Because I'm an idiot but that was still really obvious

Did you lock Porkens' vote?

[Something_Smart]

Did you think that scum would be MORE likely to miss it?

No, but thats not the point. In general, when you see a soft, make note of it but don't announce it to the group.


And yes, I did lock Porkens' vote.

Well you're also my biggest scumread. And you're not likely to be a scum kill anyway (if you had softed something stronger like doctor I would have probably kept it to myself), so I believe having your claim out there is pro-town.

[Something_Smart]

But if that were the case, Don't you think I would vote, but lock someone else's vote elsewhere, to make it harder to lynch them?

Why would you do that? Then you wouldn't ever be able to claim without coming under heavy scrutiny for locking someone's vote somewhere other than confscum.

Hey guys.

I'm not a daycop. I'm not even a night cop lel.

I just gambited because of a very cool RC-specific tell that is super effective; then didn't retract because that is NOT how town being fake guiltied reacts. We'd know, we've been town fake-guiltied before. Claiming drixx while backed into a corner was the final straw. Up until that point I was debating coming clean and eating the d1 lynch to have my reads accuracy confirmed. Glad we didn't end up having to.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think it's pro town to lie about your role.

Lol?

[Something_Smart]

Um?

Morph literally got scum lynched by lying about their role. Do you think lynching scum isn't pro-town?

[Something_Smart]

Um?

Morph literally got scum lynched by lying about their role. Do you think lynching scum isn't pro-town?

Do you know what bussing is?

I am totally failing to see your point. Yes morph's claim doesn't absolve them from being scum but it led to a pro-town action. Therefore it was pro-town. Therefore lying about your role CAN be pro-town.

[Something_Smart]

Yes, but you're the one making an absolute statement. You said it's not pro-town to lie about your role. I said it's sometimes pro-town to lie about your role.

It's semantics, because I think what you meant was "town SHOULDN'T lie about their role" which is also wrong. The correct statement is "town shouldn't lie about their role unless they know what they are doing". It's evident that, regardless of morph's alignment, they DID know what they were doing. Therefore I don't think their lie was a bad one.

[Something_Smart]

Why am I your biggest scum read?

Sorry, I didn't answer this.

A lot of your posts seemed like they were really surface-level and not genuine critical thinking. 168-171 is weak as it shows the meta you were using wasn't really sound. A lot of the comments in 232 give the same feel; the Porkens read is really lazy, the TiaM read is bad coming from someone who admittedly wasn't playing seriously before, the read on me as I mentioned before did not point to the posts that I felt were particularly representative of my town mindset. In addition there are a bunch of hedged reads that sound like they're there just for the sake of adding substance to the post.

Interestingly, you've talked about how likely you thought it was that MKA would be lynched, yet it seems like you thought there was more hope for them than I did: 487.

ActionDan sheep in 1127 is nasty, and the Creature meta later on has the same surface-level quality that your Maria meta had before. Though it's not as easy to refute, I do disagree with it as well.

[Something_Smart]

The meeple never sleeple

[Something_Smart]

Why would you do that? Then you wouldn't ever be able to claim without coming under heavy scrutiny for locking someone's vote somewhere other than confscum.

That is some intense bussing you're implying.

Like, really...intense.

Bussing a partner who's been guiltied is not intense... it's practically common sense.

To put it in perspective, I've hard bussed my partner when he was the one CLAIMING the guilty.

[Something_Smart]

Personally, I think it's better for town if scum doesn't know why their kill didn't go through.

+1

[Something_Smart]

I think there was a no kill because the person the mafia tried to attack didn't die.

[Something_Smart]

I think there was a no kill because the person the mafia tried to attack didn't die.

I have a plausible theory explaining why they didn't die. But it could be inaccurate. Should I reveal or wait

You are in the best position to decide. I'd say only reveal if you're unlikely to stop another kill and/or you think you have a guilty.

I think there was a no kill because the person the mafia tried to attack didn't die.

How do you know the mafia tried to attack someone?

It's just my opinion.

[Something_Smart]

I'm gonna not answer any questions until we know what the hell's going on.

WhyMafia is locktown now though which is nice.

[Something_Smart]

I haven't said anything role-related (except for pointing out Chickadee's softclaim). Me saying "whoever the mafia tried to kill didn't die" was just trolling.

[Something_Smart]

You and WhyMafia, because I thought it was probably not a good idea to out the reason for the no-kill.

[Something_Smart]

I was taking it as a given that scum wouldn't intentionally no-kill.

Pedit: if they think they stopped it (RB, doctor, bulletproof, etc.)

[Something_Smart]

I was given a one shot role block for having 0 votes on me at the end of day 1. I blocked chickadee.

Lmao.

VOTE: Chickadee

[Something_Smart]

No quicklynch please but yeah yikes.

Seconding this. I'd like some time to talk with Action Dan before this day ends.

Getting deja vu from this, lol.

[Something_Smart]

did Chickadee just lock the meeple lmao

[Something_Smart]

What do you mean, "get enough unique votes"? Does that mean different people on the same wagon as you?

[Something_Smart]

I think there was a no kill because the person the mafia tried to attack didn't die.

How do you know the mafia tried to attack someone?

this post is so bad it hurts me

I feel like if you learned anything from Day 1 about how Porkens plays you'd call that post NAI.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, I get reminded of how bad 1124 is all over again.

[Something_Smart]

Hi SS! You seem like a nice person. I had you pegged as scum earlier day 1, but now rereading you look towney to me. Do you still believe my claim even though you know Morph was lying? What do you think of the players who are not voting yet?

Hi! I'm glad you dropped that computer thing because it was getting annoying

Yes, I believe your claim. But it being false wouldn't make me stop scumreading Chickadee anyway.

Of the people not voting: morph is town (at least until we have a specific reason to doubt it), Creature is probably scum, Drixx is maybe scum but has been absent for too much of the game to have a strong read on, random and gerry are unimpressive but not particularly scummy.

[Something_Smart]

Haven't seen any genuine sorting from him. And his jump onto my wagon was terrible.

[Something_Smart]

WhyMafia isn't scum.

VOTE: ActionDan

for reasons that will make sense later. Also scum. I have every confidence this is where my vote will be at the end of the day.

^This is the soft btw.

I have always viewed someone interjecting themselves into a question aimed at another player as suspicious. There's no upside to jumping in when you could let the intended player answer and THEN express your own thoughts. We lose the wording and response of the player being asked.

Good thing, then, that I wasn't responding to a question aimed at another player.

[Something_Smart]

It's a read based on the way he was discussing actions.

[Something_Smart]

"I have every confidence this is where my vote will be at the end of the day."
That doesn't sound like a votelocker soft to you? If you lock someone's vote then you know with absolute confidence where it will be at the end of the day.

[Something_Smart]

if we lynch chickadee and chickadee is town that puts pork a lot further down the scum ladder.

I don't know where you got this from

[Something_Smart]

1404 is not a great post but Chickadee is still by far the better lynch for today.

[Something_Smart]

What did you think I was trying to do?

[Something_Smart]

Why are you so confident ActionDan is scum?

[Something_Smart]

> Chickadee says she's willing to talk about anything
> I ask her about one of her reads
> mfw she ignores me and responds to someone else

[Something_Smart]

If you think ActionDan was trying to save MKA yesterday, why wouldn't he have pushed morph yesterday? (And why would he then do it today?)

Not to mention that Porkens did a lot more to push on morph, yet he's a "town lean".

And I'll admit that morph's pushing to NOT lynch their guilty and instead hunt for associatives was weird and I don't see why it's outside of the realm of possibility for someone who's busy to not want to take part in it.

All in all those reasons are fairly weak and surface-level and I could imagine them possibly being the support for a scumlean but for "Absolute scum"? I don't see it.

[Something_Smart]

not immediately lynch your guilty.

[Something_Smart]

not immediately lynch your guilty.

And that was weird?

A little, yeah. My point was that I could see town!ActionDan wanting to wait for flips to scumhunt.

[Something_Smart]

The difference is that there it was me who was getting lynched, not my partner. In the brief time the wagon switched to Two Real Humans I was actually busy and couldn't have really pushed convincingly on them, and there was no guilty so I had no way to abruptly switch my read (since I had promised not to bus). Even if Dan had promised not to bus MKA, the guilty would have given him an opportunity go back on that and hardbus.

[Something_Smart]

And as far as saving MKA, it seems like ActionDan was waiting to see how things went over.

And this is something town would never do?

(I do agree that this is a behavior that scum are more likely to engage in. It's not your read that I object to so much as the strength of it.)

[Something_Smart]

So SS how do you feel about AD's first post of D2?

After how strongly morph reiterated that it was not a gambit, the idea of policying them did cross my mind. And I've definitely had theories that are patently ridiculous in hindsight, so I can see the town motivation behind it.

Not to mention that the town's consensus scumread going after the town's strongest townread like that is such a strange and suicidal play as scum.

[Something_Smart]

Morph, are y'all willing to work with me on something?

My counter is currently at 1, since I locked a vote today. It needs to get to 10 before I can switch roles. I still don't know that I want to but I would like to get the counter up a bit so that later I might have the option. Can you just put down a useless vote on someone that has none right now, and then I'll vote there. Can we do this 3 or 4 times?

Do you know what your role upgrade will do?

More to the point, is there a chance it will confirm your alignment?

[Something_Smart]

I don't disagree with the plan but I'd rather lynch Creature than ActionDan fwiw.

[Something_Smart]

Because ActionDan has actually done some things that I'd rate town as more likely to do than scum. Creature hasn't.

[Something_Smart]

Random has engaged some. And I know town!Creature is capable of more.

[Something_Smart]

I trust Dunn more than SS.

y tho

[Something_Smart]

It's exactly the play for scum to make (or fake) if their kill fails and nobody comes forward with any reason why.

no

what if Chickadee had had an action?

[Something_Smart]

V/LA until Monday

[The Betting Pool]

Sorry, posted this but forgot to PM it.

V/LA until Monday

Prod rescinded because PA-mod is bad at reading

[Something_Smart]

I didn't visit morph
Chickadee continues to be scummy

[Something_Smart]

Pretty sure a scum poisoner that did not notify the target that they're poisoned would be too strong.

[Something_Smart]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=65202
Only game I've ever played with a poisoner

[Something_Smart]

village idiot (practically made for a policy lynch/vig)

I resent that

[Something_Smart]

I don't think Creature made any bad decisions in his fakeclaim. I think the role he claimed was good and the complexity was appropriate, and he got unlucky by claiming to have visited someone who got watched. The doctor claim was definitely townier than the same claim without the doctor, and him getting an extra shot for lynching someone with a higher number was both a reason to keep him around and a reason to not lynch ActionDan.